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@tomasbar1101

2 жыл бұрын

No, I don't think I will

@Mr_Bunk

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not even a game, it’s a money-drainer with no adherence to or passion for real history.

@tomasbar1101

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mr_Bunk Yeah, like most mobile "games"

@GaldirEonai

2 жыл бұрын

Okay, the line about "for those of you who are back in school" was pretty fucking disgusting. Directly marketing predatory shit like that to minors.

@frankmartel3428

2 жыл бұрын

i think its not a good upgrade at the wrong time, because you just say it, the war ended too fast, but i think it would had be a great armored vehicul for the time (1945-46) probably the best of his type, great mobility great fire power (capable of penetrating a tiger II (P) at front even (H) varient if not angle, cable of shut down plane with the .50 cal ma duce top monted like the precedent version, also capable to do anti infantry with .50 cal and HE because its a 90mm largy cabable of splash destruction! :D

Honestly I think the Super part is just the way they talked about upgrade versions at the time. You have the Pershing - Super Pershing, Bazooka - Super Bazooka and Flying Fortress - Superfortress. Even others followed this trend like the Israeli Super Sherman. Then the modelers probably went "Oh, it is an upgrade Hellcat.... Super Hellcat!"

@MyHentaiGirl

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah probably

@arya31ful

2 жыл бұрын

M14 would be Super Garand

@MyHentaiGirl

2 жыл бұрын

@@arya31ful M4 should be Super M16

@Thirdbase9

2 жыл бұрын

There was also Man, then Superman.

@DarkTau

2 жыл бұрын

This is what I was thinking too.

I love how the community can create a name and make it so common it’s obscure where it started

@r.m.5548

2 жыл бұрын

But they didn't, he said they didn't name it

@landenman8708

2 жыл бұрын

@@r.m.5548 he was talking about other tanks not just the super hellcat

@andrewhendrix2297

2 жыл бұрын

Case in point....the Doomturtle. I'm fairly certain that came from a forum somewhere, but dammit if that's not what I exclusively call the T95.

@keeratijirananutwinyu8339

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewhendrix2297more like nickname

NgL this 90mm version is a banger on aesthetic

@nercksrule

2 жыл бұрын

The M36 turret definitely has the *A E S T H E T I C* that the original M18 lacked.

@73_65

2 жыл бұрын

@@nercksrule Dont know what you're talking about, both turrets look good.

Just the idea that you could reach out to The Chieftain and get an answer is simply mind boggling.

@SuperDeinVadda

2 жыл бұрын

The chieftain is just a guy lol So why wouldn't he respond?

@polearm9341

2 жыл бұрын

Where tho

@HanSolo__

2 жыл бұрын

Why? He responds to my questions if I ask him.

@FairladyS130

2 жыл бұрын

Oh for crying out loud.

@darylmorning

2 жыл бұрын

Mine too... And I'm just a guy without a real channel, yet.

I believe I read somewhere that later on, far past testing, as they began to scrap these old projects. They ended up finding that the recoil of the 90mm gun had cracked a lot of welds in recoil bearing joints in the hull its self, as the Thin armor of the M18 couldn't bear the strength of the 90mm gun. meaning it wasn't a useable upgrade.

@Macrochenia

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've heard the same thing. The 90mm was just too big a gun for the M18.

@amarican3530

2 жыл бұрын

It maybe could have been used if M18s were upgraded with thicker armor at the cost of speed. Or possibly have received a new engine.

@Tyr1001

2 жыл бұрын

Possibly from the shots taken with an unmodified 90. Getting pushed back 22 inches no doubt did a number on the chassis as well

@trappenweisseguy27

2 жыл бұрын

They also had a small production run of this turret on a Sherman chassis, as M36B1 I believe.

@alfnoakes392

2 жыл бұрын

@@amarican3530 Which though logical is all starting to sound like turning it into an actual Tank , as ConeofArc mentioned re' the Army requests for TD improvements in the vid. Wartime US Army doctrine re' seperate 'tank' and 'tank destroyer' equipment does not always seem that logical given hindsight does it.

"No armour is best armour" - Phly

@helen466

2 жыл бұрын

lol

@THEBIGGAME683

2 жыл бұрын

Hitler must be laughing in his ass now!

@SuperDeinVadda

2 жыл бұрын

Speed is the best thing to have in Warthunder

@666zombee

2 жыл бұрын

Just give me speed !

@georgerogers1166

2 жыл бұрын

Worked great for Japan.

Imagine getting to cruise around in a turretless Hellcat convertible while everyone else has to walk. That shit sounds awesome. It’s an interesting concept to think that the US might have had the Sherman replaced with the hellcat entirely, with a turret roof and medium tank armor up front.

@SvenTviking

2 жыл бұрын

Same vulnerability to grenades/mortars as M36.

@darkninjacorporation

2 жыл бұрын

@@SvenTviking see: turret roof

@billwilson3609

2 жыл бұрын

The M10 was well liked by it's users so the M36 was a larger turret with a bigger gun on a M10 chassis. Armor commanders wanted it's big gun in action faster so Ordnance shipped over a number of M36 turrets w/90mm guns and had those installed on refurbished M4 chassis. Fisher Body was having labor woes producing new M10 chassis for the M36 so Ordnance instructed Ford to use the M36 turret on 167 new M4's with the addition of roof armor after seeing how M10 users had been adding that for overhead protection when engaged in urban fighting. The new M36's ended up being produced by using refurbished M10's that were being used at the tank training schools. The M10 was liked because it's dual GM 6046 2-stroke Diesel engines provided plenty of torque at low rpm's to get it moving a lot faster from a dead stop than the R-975 gasoline radial engine could.

@darkninjacorporation

2 жыл бұрын

@@billwilson3609 that’s cool to know! I don’t wanna be picky, but do you know the designation for these roofed M36 Shermans?

@billwilson3609

2 жыл бұрын

@@darkninjacorporation M36B1

The Army called it the M18. Buick called it the Hellcat. As a finishing touch for publicity shots, the Early design studio penned a logo for its creation that ended up becoming the emblem of America's tank destroyer force; it featured a black cat biting down on tank tracks with the TD motto of "Seek, Strike, Destroy!"

@alonespirit9923

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds a lot like the insignia for the overall Tank Destroyer Force, "Approved on September 22, 1942, the authorized shoulder sleeve insignia (SSI) for the Tank Destroyer Force was created by the staff of General Andrew Bruce, its first commanding officer. The colors of the force were black and orange. Hence, the TD patch featured a powerful black panther crushing a tank in its jaws, all on an orange disk. The tank, which in the original version of the patch had eight bogie wheels, typified an American tank, not a German version. Insignia manufacturers had problems breaking numerous needles while completing all the bogie wheels, necessitating the four-wheel variation of the SSI, most common version."

After a bit of fruitless searching I can only assume the 'Super' part is a post war nickname, similar to 'Hetzer' for the Jagdpanzer 38t, that simply cottoned on with soldiers and eventually into the civilian and later games industry.

@nocount7517

2 жыл бұрын

Hetzers gonna hetz.

@justkirt4282

2 жыл бұрын

also similar with the super pershing

@TypeZeta2

2 жыл бұрын

@@nocount7517 Hetzer’s an adorable little Murder Turtle

@jamp12008

2 жыл бұрын

@@TypeZeta2 lol Murder Turtle. I used to like popping hetzers in WoT with my VK30.01h before I stopped playing it. Good memories 👍

@Sammael66685

2 жыл бұрын

@@FirstDagger Just because an officer called the vehicle it was based in, the romanian Mareşal, ‘ein grosser hetzer’ (an impressive hunter) to take as base for future vehicles. As that's the ONLY official document which actually names the whole concept as it. In fact, based on documents, the Jagdpanzer 38 had about 33 different names or designations. The name Hetzer for the Jagdpanzer 38 came unoficially after being developed and the vehicle that was about to be named like that was the project that served as basis for the planned Entwicklung program's E10 due to their extreme ambushing/hunting capabilities, considering it's projected design and specs. Deal with it.

Lady and Gentlemen, please welcome: *The SUPEEEEEEEEEEEEEER..... HELLCAT!*

@zeroyuki92

2 жыл бұрын

*AEG noises intensifies*

@filippivonka5181

2 жыл бұрын

Edvin and Zwhatsh start shouting SUPEEEEEER HELLCAAAAAT!

@mehdinator7336

2 жыл бұрын

loool i was searching this comment

My best guess for the etymology of "super hellcat" is that "super" is the prefix American engineers like to give to any upgraded design. The modern meaning of "super" is different now but it's origin would be close to the German "uber"

WG: M18/T55 hybrid? Looks interesting WoT player's wallet: Please WG, no more.

@winkelvonhutten2033

2 жыл бұрын

it would be likely on tier 7 as Light tank, i can imagine how cancer that thing is...

@linkheldderzeit

2 жыл бұрын

@@winkelvonhutten2033 You have actually guessed the tier right. It allready exists on the console as the "Jammer" and is a tier 7 medium.

@jarigustafsson7620

2 жыл бұрын

don't give WG anymore money

@nedimsisic2370

2 жыл бұрын

It's a Bosnian Army tank from the 90s (just look at the coat of arms at the front plate). Since at there was a shortage in heavy weapons during the war(due to the UN arms embargo), people got creative. We also had M47 Pattons with 320hp truck engines and even WW2 T-34s and regular M-18 Hellcats also saw service with the ARBiH(Army of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina). There obsolete tanks were retired in 2000., but nevertheless served their purpose(mostly infantry support). Edit: Also fun fact, some M18 Hellcats were used to destroy an armored train(ww1 tactics are useful if your opponent has no heavy weaponry to counter it or is expected not to have) near Gradačac. It gives a whole new meaning to the TD acronym.

@zegzbrutal

2 жыл бұрын

Type 64 (cough

So, they slammed it for a better stance, bored it out and added muzzle bling. Amit it, they just wanted it to look cooler.

Could you talk about the T77 anti-air tank? An M24 Chaffee with a new turret containing six .50cal M2's

@santaboy4818

2 жыл бұрын

Wirbelwind: Finally! A worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!

@TR33ZY_CRTM

2 жыл бұрын

@@santaboy4818 The T77 AA wouldn't be much of a challenge to the Wirbelwind. He could just load the guns with PzGr. 40 mags and rip it to shreds

@M4Maus

2 жыл бұрын

The Machinegun Cult strikes back. Some habits die hard I guess.

@pdr_2703

2 жыл бұрын

@@TR33ZY_CRTM and so would the 50 cals shred the wirbelwind's turret

@jimmadonna1436

2 жыл бұрын

At the VFW in the town I live in there's an M24 anti aircraft tank with 40mm boffers. I've never have seen a T77.I live 17.7 miles from Aberdeen proving grounds, before 911 you could look at various tanks. I've never seen the T77. I loved that place and I got a chance to meet Professor Atwater. He knows a great deal about tanks and armored warfare. It's heaven on earth.

Some random: "which was your favorite tank in WoT?" Me: "oh, you dont know?"

@alphaplayzz1381

2 жыл бұрын

I don't even play wot, but I've got an account from 2012 so I login every year for the rewards

@anniekoenasdi2403

2 жыл бұрын

Same but im in wotb and i used a setup to become a super helicat didnt know until i watched this vid

@AlexSDU

2 жыл бұрын

Mine would be the British Matilda. She's my favourite seal clubber. At the loading speed of 1.7 second, she's deadly for any tanks same tier with her and even above.

@butterlerpunch

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve got mine in categories

if the Super Hellcat came into production, this would've been good in the Korean War as an M36 Alternative, I can see the Super Hellcat being used as a Mobility Focused Assault and Long Range Defensive Unit with the M36s being second line and the M26s being frontline

@GOPGonzo

2 жыл бұрын

This is where they would have shined. While the 76mm was great for WWII when we got to Korea the E8 Shermans found that it really wasn't ideal for dealing with T34-85s from the front. The M4E8s had better sights and rudimentary gun stabilization so they usually came out on top, but it is always better to just be able to blap the other guy from any angle. The other place a fast 90mm gun armed vehicle would have been useful was for vehicles supplied to allies. I could see the Israelis having a fun time with Super Hellcats in the 50's and 60s Middle East wars.

@billwilson3609

2 жыл бұрын

In Korea the M4's and M36's were used to tow the M26 Pershing up hills and steep road grades since it's great weight was too much for it's automatic tranny to do that alone without assistance. The M18 used the same automatic yet had no problems due to it's lighter weight. The M36's 90mm gun had no problems with taking out any Soviet armor that was encountered. In Europe M36 gunners were taking out Panthers at 4,200 and 4,600 yards, which was the maximum limits of their sights so were already being used for long range defense.

@topsecret1837

2 жыл бұрын

@@billwilson3609 That would make them highly effective against the massed T-34-85 charges of the Korean War for sure.

It doesn't seem natural-the lightest alltrack chassis (excepting the M29) mated to the heaviest gun (the 90mm M3). Then I remembered the Soviet era ASU85 and gave the whole idea a rethink.

@royhsieh4307

2 жыл бұрын

that thing is like a shopping cart

The Hellcat nickname was from the way the engine heat was vented. Though most online games correctly show a rear, top panel exhaust, a large portion of the waste heat was directed around the engine and up into the turret, creating what was viewed as an effective heating system without ducting for the tank with a massive updraft. This was not thoroughly tested, and though yes, it was effective when the tank was operating in the winters of the European campaign, it was too effective. The turret was unbearably hot in most operating situations (the tank was nearly always operating at a high speed), and the turret would become as hot as 'the pits of hell'. Combined with the nimble aspects and high speed/firepower of the TD, and some tankers started using Hellcat as their unofficial name. As for the black cat sometimes associated with the TD and its name, red (as for fire/hot/hell) was an enemy color (former Soviet Union), and was avoided for most symbols of the era, but I am not directly sure through my family of the correct, direct association any more than you.

Another design that would fit perfectly in here would be the centurion with a 32pdr, the gun from the Tortoise because in firing trials it defeated the 20pdr of the cent mk.3

you should do the Sturmtiger

@NareasPL

2 жыл бұрын

Sturmtiger was in service, and performed decently at what it was supposed to do, don't think its cursed

@mr.jancok4413

2 жыл бұрын

@@NareasPL ConeOfArc made a cursed by design about Kv-2 so Sturmtiger can made it to the series

@groza8179

2 жыл бұрын

@@NareasPL It is cursed by design though. It's literally useless and waste of resources, and most crewmans operating it would abandon the tank when they're out of ammunition, since the 380mm Mörser gun is exclusive to the Sturmtiger and the ammunition for it is very scarce.

The super hellcat is one of the most beautiful tanks of all time. Also a very good TD in wot, at least long ago it was.

Cone: repeats what crew wanted for the hellcat Me: hmm, are they talking about the m36 Jackson? That thing had the option of a canvas roof (if I'm not mistaken) better armor than the hellcat 🤷🏻‍♂️

@generalolivervonbismarck393

2 жыл бұрын

Much taller and slower though

@666zombee

2 жыл бұрын

Nowhere near the speed of the Hellkitty

@SoggyCoffeeAddict

2 жыл бұрын

Obviously the more armor something has the less speed it can have. Being slower would allow it to be taller more safely too, since it can have a canvas roof it does need to be decently high

@Tuning3434

2 жыл бұрын

@@jvandermijde bit of a mood point when you are considering powering your units with widely available power units instead of basically handcrafted engines. And I think this train of thought is the actual consideration the original author was going for, the one not based on fantasy.

@billwilson3609

2 жыл бұрын

The M10 users started having armored roofs installed by welders so they'd have overhead protection when fighting in villages, towns and cities. Ordnance took note of that so had armor roofs installed at the factories for the new M36, which was a M10 hull with a different turret and gun.

My grandpa fought in the Battle of the Bulge. His name was Robert Byrd and his brother Hobart bird fought in the Battle of the Bulge. Back in the 1980s when I was a kid I would hear them talk about the Hellcat I thought they were talkin about airplanes. And when I asked Grandpa he said no he was talkin about tank destroyer he said it looks like a tank only it's not a tank so they use the name during the war the gi's did

I dunno i mean there was a trend of naming beefed up versions of weapons and vehicles "super " at the time like super bazooka or super pershing

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was unofficially called a super Hellcat from the very beginning, considering that's exactly what it looks like.

Superb video as always!

Great video!!! Have been studying armored vehicles and building models for over 50+ years and the M18 Tank Destroyer has always been called HELLCAT to best of my knowledge.

One other way of looking at this is standardization, it's easier to repair and replace stuff if both vehicles used the same thing that and supplying them through said supply chain.

@billwilson3609

2 жыл бұрын

The US War Department had that figured out before the war started. Let's use what we already have in production since their replacement parts are available and will be easy to produce more.

"Sir! Even 76 millimetres isn't enough to kill Germany's biggest tanks." "So...get...MOAR."

I love this game I been playing it for the last 5months. Keep up the good work man the videos are great and help others find out about tanks and there history with out the bias and fake documents that others may provide and Once again thank you!

Love the video if you can find information on it could you do a curse by design on the T-44-100 a vehicles that had the same fate as the super hellcat

@jakejohnson2921

2 жыл бұрын

@@chost-059 yes but it never made it to combat and not many got made

@chost-059

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakejohnson2921 yea

@yi_hou3092

2 жыл бұрын

There's two versions of the T-44-100 the D-10 and LB-1

@j.f.fisher5318

Жыл бұрын

This would be awesome. Though its fate was much better than the super hellcat. It ended up being the prototype for the most produced tank of all time. As such it's historical significance is huge. Also considering it had thicker armor than a king tiger with a gun having armor penetration on par with the panther but a much larger HE warhead, on a

Good video. I really like the streamlined look of this TD.

OMG, THANK YOU for changing the cursed by design intro. This sorter and much "cleaner" version is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 trillion x better.

Dude i really love these cursed by design videos and i really love your channel!

Claim your *I was here in 10 minutes* and if you win YOU ARE POG CHAMP no more claims only 7 got it

@nameless.5391

2 жыл бұрын

*claim*

@RoderickTiernan

2 жыл бұрын

*claim*

Great vid ConeofArc, fascinating info.

Just a all around well done video!

This guy is so underrated

@Sammael66685

2 жыл бұрын

Uh...NO? He's just getting a proper growth content and channel wise. But of course, i run like hell from any over-promoted trendy "creator" that only spews bull through the facial orifice it uses to, what i guess, eat.

@borger9105

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sammael66685 I'm just saying that his content needs more views

@Sammael66685

2 жыл бұрын

@@borger9105 don't worry, it'll happen with time, with the proper followers indeed. All good things are curated, not rushed.

@borger9105

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sammael66685 facts

@TheChieftainsHatch

2 жыл бұрын

He seems to be doing well enough. He's going to overtake me in subscribers soon.

I think this design is one of those, "It was a good idea at the time and would have worked for the war it was built to fight in". It's a bit like the Iowa class Battleships that were perfect for the role they were intended to fill... it's just time, technology and doctrine caught up with them. Though should the U.S decide to go back to the drawing board for a new light tank to support the MARINES, I think this machine would be worth a look at as it would meet the mobility and endurance requirements. Likely it would have to be upgraded with the same 105mm the Stryker is able to use so it can fire HE, I don't see the point in up-armoring the thing, though having a reactive armor package (like the M2 Bradly) as an option wouldn't hurt. The MARINES are suppose to be fast & Mobile so a light tank built to these design specifications with the "Super Hellcat" in mind would be perfect for them, maybe even give it some amphibious capability same as most modern MBT's do. The best part is, you could simplify the engine to use a radial air-cooled just like the original so air-conditioning wouldn't be a problem for keeping the electronics and crew from overheating. Just my thoughts though.

@Sammael66685

2 жыл бұрын

Considering what you said and what happened in the Balkan Wars, i'm more than sure that even this 90mm Super Hellcat may could have worked WAY better than the 90mm's Patton's in the same frame time, specially in Vietnam. But we'll never know if that could have been true.

@sgtmyers88

2 жыл бұрын

With the USMC thing I think it would be reasonable to revive and modify the M60-2000 program for them. They can have a lighter tank upgraded with a modern powerplant but still keep the modern targeting and weapon systems of their now retired M1's. The base M60 was in the ballpark of 15 tons lighter than a modern M1A2 with all it's modern upgrades. That or the Raytheon package.

@Sammael66685

2 жыл бұрын

@@sgtmyers88 Or even buying Ossorios from Brazil after the U.S. trashed them badly after seeing it was WAY better than the "Abrhums", ha!

The Hellcat is my favorite Tank in WotB! It was interesting to learn that the 90mm Gun I like to much wasn't the actual Hellcat gun. The upgraded Turret mounting the 90mm gun is clearly the M36 turret, even though it is just called Turret M18 M1 in the game.

My father was the supervisor at Milford proving grounds, and worked in the engineering department at Buick. I believe the name super is related to the Buick named super. (Dale Upper)

@dhwwiiexpert

2 жыл бұрын

That’s pretty cool history your family has!

Can Openers by Nicholas Moran is an excellent book. Nice episode. Keep up the good work.

An interesting concept that would have had (IMO) one real application...the 'Cold War' going hot in 1947-48. _THAT_ would turn into a major "think piece" all on it's own.

@billwilson3609

2 жыл бұрын

The Soviets wouldn't of stood a chance since their supply lines were now stretched to their limits and the USAAF would've had full control of the skies so wouldn't of had any problems dropping bridges into rivers and sinking shipping bringing supplies by sea.

I love it!! Actually when i started to play WoT allmoust 10 years ago Hellcat was the 1st tank that i was grinding to get, and was my 1st Mid tier tank. That was the 1st tech tree line that i grinded to tier 10.. My 1st tier 6, 7, 8 and 1st tier 9 tanks ever were the ones on that tech tree line. And back then all of them were great. Hellcat today even being worst then the one i started to play os pretty good!! Back to WWII the Hellcat was so much more then a tank destroyer.. it would be One of the best scouting platforms of the War and i believe that was one of the most loved vehicles by their crews.

Thanks! The M18 Hellcat is my favourite tank destroyer, and I'd watch ur video abaut it. ;)

Glad you're doing good. You seem more happy compared to the WT videos you've done in the past

Adding Super to a name of tank is how Wg Sells Premiums Super Pershing, Super Hellcat. See A patton? Sorry for the pun : )

Nice job on the video

Thank you for changing your intro, much smoother honestly.

great video !

The first time I saw it called the Super Hellcat was on a model similar to the one you showed. I believe it was a smaller model set that pretty much came complete, less tracks and turret, etc

1:57/4:48 I wonder who did the 3D designs because that's quite a feat for your videos to date.

@ConeOfArc

2 жыл бұрын

Link in the description

@ColonelFrontline1152

2 жыл бұрын

@@ConeOfArc I see it thanks. ☺️

I assume the "super" is just another nickname for remastered, just like in superpershing being a remastered version of the regular pershing

@Sammael66685

2 жыл бұрын

I would had laughed REALLY hard if they used that same for any remastered U.S. developed game/movie!

Loving the new intro!

I would love a video covering tank nicknames and their origins (especially the nicknames that came from games)

Love the new intro!

Love ur content keep it up

Would love to see an episode on the Valentine DD, the predecessor of the Sherman DD. Very interesting but tragic history that I haven't heard many talk about.

I love this series and I loved the video about the FV4005 keep it up!

I love watching your vids at 12 o’clock! Haha

Most German Tank nicknames have been traced to the Model Companies as a marketing tool, and because nicknames are easier to remember than some of the official names. I've gotten that from lectures by Steven Zaloga and Tom Jentz, as well as Colonel Moran. So, I think it's just a away for companies to tell the M18 and the M18 w/90mm apart, probably using the T26E1 Pershing with the long 90mm as an example.

This tank makes me think of Tim Allen from "Home Improvement" yelling: This needs more poweeeer!

A full video on the Hellcat? You spoil us sir!

I think the adjective of super came into use on plastic scale models back in the 50's and 60's since it sounded better to us kids than Modified Up-gunned. It seems to me that Ordnance also had the M18 hull designed so it could hold any turret that was used on the M4 hulls since that allowed the repair depots to quickly replace damaged M4 turrets with any good M4 turret they had in the salvage yard or recently repaired to return to service. All were drop-in replacements unless the turret basket had to be removed or added first. Ordnance also had those designed so the 75mm gun could be replaced with the 105mm howitzer if desired. I doubt if they would've bothered to trim the crew hatches since that was never done on the M10 since they only had to rotate the turret to the side to get it out of the way and if hit, had no basket in the way to exit out from the top or could use the floor escape hatch if under small arms fire.

Thank you for sticking metric into the captions! It’s a great and unobtrusive way to help metric users out

The M36 had a particular complaint that applies to the M10 and M18, the lack of a bow gun. The AA .50cal mount couldn’t be swung to meet infantry from the front. Some field modifications that put .30 cal mgs on pintle mounts on the front edge of the turret helped. The best result was when modified M4 hulls were used for the M36 with the bow mg still intact. Interesting that these are the types with the modified M4 hulls were the ones recovered from the fighting in the former Yugoslavia as well as Iraq.

Son of a WW2 vet here with interest in topic. We've been calling it "Hellcat" since the '60s. You can find the Buick promotional ad (in printed form) where it's called "Hellcat" from about 1943.

@WildBillCox13

2 жыл бұрын

Meaning the M18GMC, not the upgun variant.

Great --I play tankgames --and this video gave me a lot of information --thx

I think the first time I've seen the "Super Hellcat" name is from Peter Chamberlain's book British and American Tanks of World War 2 published in 1969. There was a picture of it in the book and I think the author coined the term.

The footage of the m18 next to the t92 is amazing

Very interesting project adaptation. 76 was indeed coming up short however, I thought that is what the speed was for to get to flanks, so I don't think the 90 was a good idea. You do gain 10 or so pen, but then they had to develop a apcb round, so that the 90 could pen the UFP of the panther, said to give it around 200, but again, not sure why they would be aiming for ufp with the hellcat? Great video, thanks COA

Adorable History Beautiful Work Great Vibe

Nicely done! The M36 was truly too much, too late. Had it arrived a few months earlier, it may have had a real effect on the western front.

Using the turret from the M-36 Jackson (90 mm Gun Motor Carriage, M36) on the 76 mm Gun Motor Carriage M18 or M18 GMC would have been a great option had the war lasted. What I'm surprised at is that it wasn't thought of during the M-18's original design concept. The 90mm gun wasn't exactly a new gun. It was originally used as both a towed AA and AT gun. The Brits had proven that they could effectively mount a much bigger gun on their Lend Lease Sherman's, so I would be very surprised if the designers had not thought of doing the same. They did it with the M36 GMC.

Suuuuper Hellcat !

Really liking your videos! I just checked out your video on the m60-2000 and it got me thinking about a tank upgrade that you never hear about its called the Jaguar it was a joint project between the US and China to make an upgrade package for the aging T-55 I don't know if you would be able to make a video on it not really sure how much research material would be available but either way I think it would be an interesting story and right up your area of expertise and a great addition to #cursedbydesign Also I'm very surprised you haven't done a video on the most cursed tank ever that actually was made in numbers and fielded on the eastern front the Elephant I would argue that it is one of the most cursed tanks in history because of its bad reliability lack of a machine gun and catching on fire climbing hills on the Kursk battle field from over heating engines lol

In 1944, reports came out about an improved version of the Navy's F6F Hellcat fighter plane. In late October a few newspapers headlined that with an apparently unofficial moniker of "Super Hellcat", for what it's worth. Perhaps that nickname was "borrowed"?

When i see the name of super hellcat i cant stop thinking about the two dudes playing wot screaming "the supppppeeeerrrrr hellcat!"

the sherman hull with the m36 turret was known as an m36b1 GMC and was started to be produced when m10/m36 hulls dried up

Ayo i love your videos :)

I really wonder what other upgunning options could have worked for it, especially post war. British 77mm during WWII, 20 pounder after WWII and italian high velocity 60mm after that finally followed by ATGMs?

It is very interesting to know about the Sherman with a 122mm cannon from the IS-2!

From what I found in research was the Buick just called it that. I didn't do much research but I also think the name stuck cause they served jn the 12th Armored Divison that was nicknamed Hellcats. So it is still kind of weird but I hope it helps. Yes I know this is posted 4 months after the video came out. Just wanted to talk about my favorite TD of all time

Yooooo i fuck with the new intro cinematic man! Hell yeah!

Your new intro is absolute fire

Perhaps by placing a bigger cannon, it will add the "super" prefix, as well as the second largest Japanese battleship would be the Super Yamato with 3 double 550mm turrets and perhaps the Super Bismarck, known only as the NH-44 project!

The new intro is great!!!!

The reason that i follow your content:.....just love tank technology from 1st W.W till end "60

I love the new intro btw

Was there also a 105 HMC version in the 60s? And what about the T78?😅 Cool video btw!👍💯

I would have loved if you could have squeezed in a clip of R. Lee Ermy's face when he fired the gun on the Hellcat.

i like the new intro, expecialy the GuP reference

I played the game Company of Heroes 1 back in 2014 and it was to as M18 Hellcat.

Airborne Warfare by James M. Gavin published June 1980 mentions the M18 Super Hellcat light tanks on page 132

I would definitely like to see a video elaborating on the Sherman fit with the Jackson turret/90mm gun.

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The first M36's were made in France when Ordnance shipped over 24-30 M36 turrets for installation on refurbished M4's to get the 90mm gun into combat faster. GM's Fisher Body was producing the M10 hulls for the M36 and was experiencing delays due to labor problems so Ordnance had Ford to install the M36 turret on 167 new M4's to get more to the troops while they gathered up M10's from the tank training schools to be refurbished into M36's.

The M18 Hellcat successful? Debatable. It was received well by operators, but at the same time there were major complaints about: - Inefficiency of the guns vs German armour and frequent lack of a muzzle brake - An open turret, where operators rather had some armour over their heads - An unnecessary assistant driver position where they would have rather had a hull machinegun(ner) In addition there were 216/540 losses of M18 Tanks in WW2. I don't know if the losses also included earlier losses that were repaired, but for a tank destroyer that mostly entered it later in the war those are some pretty heavy losses. Meanwhile they have been credited directly for only a few major battle victories. I think it was primarily well-received due to two factors: 1. It was at least a much faster/more mobile option over existing TD/anti-tank options, which fit the US doctrine at the time much better. 2. On account of that tank doctrine (of 3 tanks plus 1 tank destroyer engaging enemy vehicles/tanks), the US had advantages in numbers to begin with. That may have made it much easier for them to get some tanks/tank destroyers into positions where they could open fire effectively. That said, would you be willing to enter a one-on-one situation with a typical german tank (Pz IV, Pz V Panther or Pz VI Tiger)? Sure, you are very mobile and would rather use an M18 over an M10, but... your armour is like paper. To this day it's still debatable if a heavier tank doctrine would have been more efficient for US forces (at least in terms of survivability for tanks and crew). If the US wasn't dealing with an advantage in numbers to begin with, I think it would have been a lot worse to drive one of these things into battle.

The 90mm gun would have also been a lot more useful in the M18's (actual) primary role of fire support since the Germans only had one major offensive in the west that it could be used in its intended role against. My ideal super-hellcat would have more armor focused on the front of the turret to create a turret that is like the T29 on the front but basically unarmored anywhere else. That much armor focused on such a small area wouldn't weigh all that much, relatively speaking, and it would excel at hull down defense - since defense was the role U.S. TDs were intended for. Naturally that was like my second design on Sprocket. ;)

A M18 with an armored roof and coaxial machinegun would be very similar to a M41. They even had very similar power to weight ratio. It almost like the hellcat becoming a bulldog.

I remember reading a booklet in the 70s with that name. So that name is being around for some time