Currently just have a 3TB drive in a 3.0usb enclosure, attached to my router. Don't Worry.... it's my NAS. lol

@joonasfi

3 жыл бұрын

I see that you like to live dangerously

@nicholasbrownlee4209

3 жыл бұрын

@@joonasfi I'm very much a networking noob. Why is it a bad idea to do this?

@linuxinstalled

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasbrownlee4209 it's not so much a network thing as much as a router really just isn't designed to be a storage powerhouse. The through puts you will get will be much lower than having a dedicated server or box besides the router. There is also no option for redundancy or other nice features. I hope that answers your question.

@nicholasbrownlee4209

3 жыл бұрын

@@linuxinstalled I see. Many thanks!

@joonasfi

3 жыл бұрын

@@linuxinstalled did a good job responding. :) My main concern was redundancy, i.e. if drive fails, data is gone.

I love ZFS too, especially my typical Dutch $16 HW solution! I use ZFS everywhere and also on my backup server, it runs FreeBSD 12 since mid 2019 (12.2 since today). The hardware is a Pentium 4 HT (3.0GHz); 1.25 GB DDR; and 4 disks in Raid-0 together 1.2 TB (2xIDE, 250+320GB, 3.5" and 2xSATA-1, 2x320GB, 2.5"). The free space is ~25%. The 1 Gbps network only reaches 200 Mbps, because of a 95% load on one of the 2 CPU threads. The system is powered on for 1 hour/week to receive the backup with zfs (send | ssh receive), so it ages approx. 1 week/year :) The case is a Compaq EVO Tower with a Windows 98SE sticker. The system is built from left-overs, only the 600W iTech power supply ($16) is new. It has NO video card connectors, 2 Molex and 2 SATA connectors and its rating is probably: "60+ Tin-plate". But it is well protected from the rough outside world here by a 1200W Avtek Surge Protector. The whole backup is miracle of modern software, but also somewhat crazy. It is from: - 2019 AMD Ryzen -> 2003 Intel Pentium - 16 GB DDR4 (3000MHz) -> 1.25 DDR (400MHz) - 64-bits -> 32-bits - Ubuntu 20.04 LTS -> FreeBSD 12.2 - Linux -> Unix/BSD - nvme-SSD -> IDE-HDD Only issue: Ubuntu zfs + large-dnode enabled during install -> FreeBSD zfs + large-dnode not supported Bypass: The zfs-datasets, that shall be backed up, are specified with "dnodesize=legacy", BEFORE filling it with data. Fortunately OpenZFS 2.0 integrated the sources of Linux and FreeBSD, so early next year with Ubuntu 21.04 and FreeBSD 13, this by-pass of the compatibility issues should be superfluous. Also the CPU load of the send/receive seems to be significantly reduced. ADVANTAGE: The largest part of the backup are the Virtualbox vdi files for Virtual Machines (VM). Both systems store the data with lz4 compression, so only the compressed modified records of the vdi files will be sent. Rsync would sent all changed 10 - 30 GB vdi-files completely, while also causing decompression before sending and re-compression after receiving on the slow P-IV!! For VMs the compression ratio is ~1.8, so the size of all backed-up data on the Pentium-4 is approx 1.8 x (1 - 0,25) x 1.2 TB = 1.6 TB.

Excellent overview video! Can I just say that it is also just so refreshing to see a QNAP video overview with actual audible voice audio, cool graphics (i.e. not cheesy) and great video production. I love NAScompares but your production takes the cake!

Don't have one, can't afford one, highly unlikely I'll be able to buy one. I like cool stuff. At the least I can watch you play with it.

@WafflesOinc

3 жыл бұрын

Y Same

I've got a TVS-473E and its been pretty great. I'm generally impressed by the QNAP software and the capabilities you get for the dollar and the physical package.

Thanks for the NAS videos I find them interesting. currently happy with my NAS as it is but always interesting to see how these type of videos. I find the things you mention often go beyond most other youtube reviews would.

@Level1Techs

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! ~Editor Amber

I've been using QNAP Nas devices on my home network for the last ~10 years and have been very satisfied with the feature set available and ease of use. They are more expensive than a DIY solution, but these just work out of the box. Also, feature / security updates are provided regularly with little input needed from the user. I'm currently using a TVS-872XT i5 32GB and am really enjoying it. Looking forward to filling up all of the drive bays eventually and maybe seeing how far I can take a processor upgrade...

I have had my QNAP TS-871 NAS for many years and have tried SMB windows shares, NFS shares, iSCSI, FTP, and SSL access, and currently all work just fine. I've been very happy with this quiet little device. I had used the surveillance station with my cameras too but have a Camect device that uses storage on the QNAP but needs no licenses and sends alerts with video to my telegram messenger. Good stuff here! Oh, and then there's my FreeNAS server ... but that's another story.

Thank you for the NO BS review. Tired of KZread channels putting more effort into cinematography than content. Well done.

Woooooo! QNAP baby!!!

Than you for your review. I have been sitting on the QNAPP fence for some time now. I trust the way that you explained it to us the best of all the reviewers that I have listened too. I trust you Sir.

@codec862

3 жыл бұрын

QNAP is good if you don't mind a slightly rougher but more free experience, Synology is good for ease of use but still a powerful nas

@DocNo27

3 жыл бұрын

@@codec862 I used to think that, but after QTS Hero and ZFS was released I logged into their demo unit and it's pretty hard to tell the difference between them and Synology now. Qnap has come a LONG way - which is awesome since they have always had vastly superior hardware when comparing similar price levels.

Very comprehensive review, thank you! Question - What kind of I/O throughput would you expect to get with a NAS like this in RAID-Z1 over 10Gbe?

Based on your review, I sprung for one of the 886's. I have only -1- point of aggravation.... The 2 1/2" drives I got will fit in only -1- of the front slots. The top slot has metal that is in the way of the 4 TB drive I picked up. Nothing will go in to the top slot if it sticks up even minimally over the tray.. Naturally that drive can fit in the bottom slot. I filled it with 4 TB toshiba drives. Naturally mother nature hated me, and 2 of the 6 3 1/2 inchers arrived with very aggravating properties.. like "clicking" and the second one sounding like a small buzz saw.. Shipped those back and got two more. Slapped in an intel SSD (1 tb) and the sucker is VERY happy. and I'm VERY happy. I'm still building out a 10 gig lan here.. but have everything on 1 gig.. and it pulls in 115 MB per sec over my gig network.. that's about the limit I could possibly expect. Reporting is good. I'm going to need to expand the puppy so I can have a lot of snapshots kept. (I do video editing, so storage is a tad critical.) The ReadyNAS I have here maxes out at about 20-30 megabytes per second. In comparison, this sucker EASILY gets 3-4 times the performance. Silent, cool... fast. (after getting another big box of storage, this puppy is getting a video card for transcoding. Thanks for the great review.

I bought a Synology RS815 a few years ago for a good price, but yet I'm a little jealous.

QNAP is definitely ahead in giving faster NICs. Its either still on 1GBps or page for a high end option to jump to 10GBps.

Love my Qnap! I've had it for 5 years and still works great. But god forbid you need to contact US Qnap support for something tricky.

ooooo been looking for a new nas myself. though i been wanting 24 8tb drives to fill up my storage shelf :/

For 1500-1700€ I'd had hoped for onboard 10GBaseT or SFP+

@HauntedAbysss

3 жыл бұрын

yup I stopped right there

Can you use this for real-time video editing, or should you opt to get another qnap setup?

what video card do you recommend for this box for transcoding?

Are there any NAS like enclosures but without the HW? I'd love to move my huge tower to a lower footprint with an ITX motherboard, and still keep using my 2 parity drive based unRAID.

I am sure you meant TB and not GB when talking about that nvme endurance.

are there models with 8 or more bays? as 6 drives is still not enough for me also: goo-ey ...

I currently have a really old (from 2012, I think) Drobo 5N that I'm looking to replace. It works fine for what it is, but I don't fully trust it, and it would probably fall on its face if it even tried to transcode anything. My thoughts were to get a cheaper NAS, but I'd likely need a NUC or Mac Mini or something to do the Plex Server itself (mounting an SMB volume on the NAS for media content), but... This looks beefy enough to do it all, and is priced in line with a cheap NAS + decent fairly high horsepower NUC (or even one of those Lenovo M90q's that you can put a 10900T or full 10900 in. My thought is that if this thing is required to be on all the time, one fairly low power device is better than two in terms of both power usage and noise. Thank you for the excellent video; it was a little more indepth than the NASCompares channel usually goes.

Comes this have infrared on front to work with Windows MCE remote controls for HD Station?

Xeon sounds great but 2 core? Would love to see some benchmarks comparing it to a 4 core celeron that is in most little nases.

What about performance benchmarks with 4x HDDs, 2 SDDs and 2 NVMe M.2 for cache? How are the SSDs used in this config? Does it have QTiering?

Wish I could literally just get this exact setup in a rack form factor...oh well _engagement_

Normally the file system is separate from the thing that manages physical disks. But "ZFS combines the physical device management aspect of that along with the file system aspect of that" Is that why folders are directly on the storage pool and not in volumes?

You should review the rockpro64 with the NAS case. I mean this thing is definitely cool but not everyone has the money for something like it. Also non x86 stuff is cool especially if its more open.

I know FreeNAS and generic FreeBSD are reliable enough to run a (ZFS) NAS. I have absolutely nothing bad to say about Qnap - the few times I used their products went without incident - but is there any reason for an advanced user to choose Qnap over FreeNAS (or FreeBSD) when going for a ZFS NAS? The question pertains to software ONLY. Thank you very much.

PowerEdge T340 with 8 hotswap bay, Xeon E2246G, 16G ECC, two M.2 on motherboard, for $1600 and put TrueNAS on it. Assuming size is not the issue, which one will you pick?

i would like the 886 dx 4

Hello, sorry to "resurrect" this video but i am doing a research about QTS Hero. I have a QNAP NAS with traditional QTS software although i am running out of space and would like to consolidate a new NAS with some LXC containers i have. Reading about ZFS i am worreid about its "RAM use". I was told it needs 1GB of RAM for each TB of storage I plan to ho with 10TB disks .. Does it mean that to have my nas working i need 40GB of RAM (or 30 considering RAID5 in use) ? Just to make it work ? Than i would need to add RAM for Plex + Download Center + Container Station + System services ? I would need at least 64GB ? In my old NAS with standard QTS i can get away with 16GB and have all above. Is it correct ?

0:38 Those pci expension slots look a lot like RAM ; D

How does this compare to an Atom C2758?

I’m using QuTS hero and because there are some spaces that need to be used for space alignment, metadata space, spin space and so on, so just for your information about discs and usable practical capacity -> 2x 1TB M.2 NVMe modules in RAID 1 - usable „888,52 GB“ 8x 10TB SATA HDD in RAID-Z1 (RAID 5) - usable „60,76 TB“

@luminaire7085

3 жыл бұрын

Looks more like a RAID 6 since you are losing 2 drive capacity.

@antik06

3 жыл бұрын

@@luminaire7085 Not sure what do you mean. What "looks more like a RAID 6" ?

But then... considered as a small server, it is much more expensive than the proliant gen10 plus... how do they compare?

I'm gonna slap on an Xbox sticker and LETS GO!!! Thanks Wendel 🤣😂🙃

This kind of box is what I might want to ditch my personal, compact DIY server for. I do prefer to choose and roll my own software tho. 7:20 TB, not GB. "Almost a petabyte' is not a few hundered gigabytes :)

Has Qnap figured out how to expand an array with ZFS? My only pain point with ZFS in a home server environment. Otherwise ZFS support is a huge plus with Qnap and finally they seem to be not only taking on Synology but blowing past them. I've always preferred Qnap hardware so this is awesome to see from them.

I am considering this as a replacement for an older HPE DL60 G9. Its out of support and very finicky about what it will run and how. Ubuntu server will load but will not let me configure paired ethernet at install without crashing. It also will not turn Windows server 2019 and I must use Hyper-V core 2016 and put my OS's on top, Now that I am at home and have moved out of my office space permanently and do not have a server room, I am looking for an alternative.

How loud is it ?

Seems a little pricey for the average home user...i would prefer taking my chance backing up my data on a repurposed older pc with freenas and have an extra usb drive for redundancy...but I only have a few TBs to worry about so just my $0.02... but I appreciate you taking the time to take this nice piece of hardware for a spin! Cheers!

Hows QNAP TS-x53D for playing 2x4k movies at sametime?

Nice. And has 50dBA noise levels with no load...

Usually loving my ts451 4 bay... Just dislike the dual core atom. Would really like to try something next gen with more transcode horsepower

I was waiting to hear which low profile GPU would work with this. Could you list a few?

@Nettechnologist

3 жыл бұрын

If it’s like the older qnaps, it will support a fan less gpu like nvidia 1030

With your experience with QNAP and Synology which would you prefer for small business that starting out right now for central storage, backup, and disaster&recovery?

@TheSecurityAgency

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a Qnap owner, don't be fooled by the specs on a paper sheet. Qnap software is a nightmare. DIY Server/NAS (ASRock Mainboard X570D4U-2L2T) with TruNAS or Unraid are the better option, otherwise I would suggest Synology, I deployed a several of them as a video surveillance station, for home user Qnap 3 out of 10, Synology 6 out of 10, and they are rather less suitable for the enterprise environment.

Jesus the licenses are steep!

Wendell, can you make a video about ZFS and what use cases are appropriate for it?

@DocNo27

3 жыл бұрын

Biggest feature for me with zfs is the real time file checksumming - meaning that as it reads and writes it's always looking for corrupted files, and if it detects an error it uses the redundancy to correct it on the fly. As drive makers keep packing more data into the same physical space detecting bit rot is going to be more and more of a thing. ZFS helps you get the best bang for your buck in storage, especially if you have things like large media libraries.

@rudysal1429

3 жыл бұрын

@@DocNo27 is that implemented when you setup zfs or do you have to enable it. Im working on building a server and learning as I'm going. I installed ubuntu server and need to setup zfs, 6 4tb drives all I could afford. Trying to figure out more stuff as I go.

i bought h886, love it, then ... Tvs-h1288/h1688 appears. Still no regret

I watched for 3secs and then i checked the price ... My 6disk "shoe-box-sized" g2020t 8gb ram zfs nas costed 1/10 of this qnap

@damianalbury9583

3 жыл бұрын

Curious what you use for a case and motherboard ?

@DocNo27

3 жыл бұрын

You had to have the technical chops to put it together and more importantly, feed and maintain it. This is an appliance meant for just about anyone to be able to unbox and use with minimal fuss. Yup - totally the same use case :p

@rudysal1429

3 жыл бұрын

@@DocNo27 yea I get that. I love building my own computers but if I owned a business and needed multiple pcs and a server, I would outsource unless I get my server knowledge further along. That is wasted money if you depend on those servers and pcs to get work done.

@MooTaters

3 жыл бұрын

This is true for pretty much all store bought NAS devices, you're paying for the software, support, and ease of use, not so much for the hardware.

Does ZFS dynamically accept adding disks? My 332X forced me to do a full backup removed re-init and restore to move from JBOD to Raud 5. Such a ridiculous waster of four days without my data. I was lucky it was only 3Tb instead of the entire 12TB from the 6Tb drives I am using.

@Level1Techs

3 жыл бұрын

You can add a group of disks but not individual disks easily. Each disk group is responsible for its own redundancy

Literally TBs of Swiss Army knives

that ui looks very similar to the asustor one

Am thinking about this or the coming TS-h973AX (kzread.info/dash/bejne/gmGepMqvpNGnaaw.html) Can you fit a GFX card AND a 10Gbe card to the TS-h686?

wendell brain shortcircuited at 7:20

@manw3bttcks

3 жыл бұрын

He meant 750 TB not GB

It's got some really nice features, but these days with 10GbE so (relatively) cheap, why would they fit this unit with 2.5GbE ports? 2.5GbE is just too slow for trying to back-up multiple PCs to it on a regular basis. Yes I suppose you could mess about with doing Link aggregation of the four 2.5GbE lanes, but why force users to go through all the inconvenience and cost of that?

@jasonlisonbee

3 жыл бұрын

What does a home, even home office professional, user do that this is a hindrance to backup for them? Incremental backups are not so bad over a much slower internet connection.

@DocNo27

3 жыл бұрын

If you have a managed switch link aggregation is really not that hard. You can also add a 10GB card to these pretty easy. However I do agree - there are enough server class motherboards now with 10Gbe that it would be nice for the NAS vendors to catch up. Synology is still rocking gig on most of their units so at least 2.5 is a step up :p

I hacked a budget home server with an Odroid H2+, a cache-less SSD, 2 old HDD, and a 3D printed case. It is more budget and home than server, but does its thing ok. Not "high-availabity" at all, though.

@farhanyousaf5616

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds interesting. Got an pictures?

please yes

@4brigger

3 жыл бұрын

nobody

@4brigger

3 жыл бұрын

knows

@4brigger

3 жыл бұрын

the trouble

@4brigger

3 жыл бұрын

I've seen

Was this put on floatplne I had not seen it before?

@Level1Techs

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it was on both Floatplane at Patreon :) most videos are posted way before they are released, you might have to scroll down a bit ^_^ ~Editor Amber

@TheSlyMouse

3 жыл бұрын

@@Level1Techs aw thanks for the reply, I'm a new member so I didn't realize how much time was between them, great content :)

@Level1Techs

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much :) and any time. I try to respond to as many comments as I can, but sometimes it can be hard! New playlists are also on the L1 channel for your convenience as well for finding videos. Thank you for being a member and I hope you enjoy the content! ~ Editor Amber

@TheSlyMouse

3 жыл бұрын

@@Level1Techs you are doing great I have noticed so many replies.

QNAP has had severe security problems recently

@DocNo27

3 жыл бұрын

What software hasn't had a vulnerability? If you think you are going to find bug free software you are on a fools errand. Finding and then *fixing* vulnerabilities is what's important. How many people - even geeks - are going to continually audit every piece of their cobbled together system and mitigate vulnerabilities? How are you going to even detect some esoteric vulnerability that only surfaces because of a particular combination of things you use? I'm always amused by all the Linux people arguing against patching because "muh stability" but then they come into comments like this and complain commercial vendors also have vulnerabilities. If Qnap never patched their stuff then you might have a point - but they do maintain their software, they test and support patches and therefore more people are likely to patch. If you audited all these homebuilt NAS the amount of unpatched vulnerabilities in the majority of them would likely be staggering. It's not even a leap - you can see the behavior patterns from people in various comment sections and forums :p

@DocNo27

3 жыл бұрын

@starshipeleven Linux systems do not patch by default. Most don't even prompt you if there are updates. Most hobbiest builders don't prioritize patching since it isn' sexy. These are not technical issues so much as human/behavior issues. I've been using and building computers since the 80's, and fallen into many of these patterns I'm criticizing - and had it bite me in the ass a few times. As for Debian backporting fixes - there have been many times when those backports introduced new bugs. There is no panacea. The less technical a user, the more likely you are going to have a secure system when the entire system is supported commercially. When you have a "throat to choke" when something goes wrong. These aren't purely technical issues and I think that's where a lot of geeks run right off the rails when looking at things purely from a technological perspective. Thank god people don't work like computers; I'd be out of a job :)

@davidg1838

3 жыл бұрын

They had a severe vulnerability exposed about 12 months ago but most of the bad press is due to home users not updating the firmware and then getting hacked.

My only problem with ZFS is that I’m poor. I can’t afford to fill all the bays at once. It would be wonderful if I could start with 3-4 drives in Z2 and add individuals as needed...something typical for many standard raid implementations.

@samuelschwager

3 жыл бұрын

You can start with just one vdev and add another vdev later.

@samuelschwager

3 жыл бұрын

@starshipeleven I prefer mirrors over RAID-Z, the rebuilds are much faster.

@samuelschwager

3 жыл бұрын

@starshipeleven I had 2 drives fail within 6 months, I've learned my lesson.

I need to rebuild my server soon but I’m thinking I might need a little more horsepower given I run a few vms and containers. The price for the 686 is up there. Lots to think about

@DocNo27

3 жыл бұрын

Unless you are doing constant encoding I wouldn't get too hung up on core/thread count. The ease of maintenance for boxes like these is very nice and what the premium is buying you. I used to build, but I find I would rather spend my time on other science projects than something as mundane as a NAS. If you have the time and expertise and enjoy it, building a NAS can be fun and rewarding. If you just want to add a few drives, turn it on and have it do it's thing then appliances like this are nice to have as an option.

@rudysal1429

3 жыл бұрын

@@DocNo27 what science stuff do you do? And do you already know how to make nas or servers. Im making my own too learn how to do it and the experience.

Wendell, let's be honest, if this was made for apps and dockers/lxc/vms wouldn't it come with more CPU power? This thing is more likely to be used as strictly storage device. It has some aces up its sleeves but the CPU used hamstrings the device - these are 2c/4t D1602 chips after all... That means there is no iGPU, so it will spike often and hard, and stay very occupied, when trying to stream HD, not to mention 4K, materials... Far cheaper solutions from the more consumer line-ups are offered with iGPU-containing chips, heck, they're selling their older i3/i5 models of similar capacity though with 2x1GbE ports or similar, albeit non-ZFS based volume management, with iGPU for QSV processes for same or less. So you're left with storage duties (both file and block) and light containerisation/virtualisation. But in such a case one thing becomes obvious - you'd want the ZFS special features enabled to best optimise storage expenditure... but there's a catch here. You could say that having ZFS is great here, and I agree, but only after you add more RAM - this thing comes with 2x4GB ECC sticks preloaded - that's a setup more typical in cheaper consumer oriented Celeron boxes where they often spec as much - but if you want to fully utilise ZFS tricks you'd want to go with inline deduplication and compression features, and these tend to eat RAM fast for all the maps - what was it, X GBs of RAM for X TBs of usable storage space for optimal performance? That'd limit you at the beginning to 8TB of space... People who are buying such a product would not put up to 2TB HDDs inside (unless they've gone with SSDs), it'd rather be hosting 4x8 or even 4x18TBs, which would require certainly more RAM. Add the tiering function of the device and more limits pop up... AFAIK the rule of thumb is to use at least Z1/RAID5 if not mirroring for HDD slow/cold tier, but then that means the 2.5" bays, when used in tiering, require applying same "redundancy" treatment as well (I believe QNAPs software enforces this), so you're only able to add 1 SFF disk worth of usable space. Same goes for the highest performance tier out of NVMe slots... So tiering here, and in the bigger brother h886, requires you to add 2 devices in each SSD-dedicated tiers and lose/use 1 each for the redundancy... That makes it not that great - were there more slots in each group, it could have been better, say with 4xLFF+4xSFF+4xM.2, but not in this setup. Heck there was one "cheap" ARM AL-based solution that combined 3xLFF+3xM.2 (albeit all SATA only) in their line-up, so why haven't they tried to combine such larger amounts of slots per tier... of course you can pay extra 20% of the MSRP and get an AIC for up to 4xM.2s and add extension units, but that's even more costs to consider over not so small starting/asking price for the product. Great thing is you can use NVMe drives of the 22110 or 2280 variety - larger ones often come with PL protection... Most consumer products are limited to 2280 format and these often lack PL circuitry... But still you are limited to 2 slots OoB, just like with the SFF slots, which also means that using one SSD device for ARC or ZIL disables the option to use the other for storage tiering. OK, you can always use one device for ZIL and the other for ARC, but it'd be great if you could use one faster device for raw storage as well... Unfortunately h886 does not fix this as well... Can you really add GPUs to support HW encoding? I mean I know you can, cause the slots are there, but how's the support in QNAP's software? Yeah, you might try adding linux drivers manually, but I thought I heard the are issues with using the dGPUs for HW encoding/decoding. OK, you can always pass-through the GPU to dockers or VMs utilised for media transcoding, but that's just a bandage... Then there's the network - it has 4x2.5GbE ports, better than the ubiqutous 1GbE but a pity they have not gone one step further with 10GbE ports - there were Denverton-based boxes on the market with multiple 10GbE ports. And if you plan to use the device as a company/business solution, higher speeds would certainly be appreciated. Heck, Asustor's desktop "big boy" Lockerstor/Cabinetstor 10-bay AS7110T has been offering 10xLFF+2xM.2+1x10GbE+3x2.5GbE+E2224 for not so much more than the h886 model (ok, Asustor's one does not come with ZFS but maybe soon they do release desktop solutions with ZFS)... QNAP should really have upped the ante with a 2+2 multigig ports. Finally the pricing - for little more you're stepping into the h886 model arena... There are more desktop hero-line products on the way, as per QNAP's recent product announcements, but these will not be cheap as well. Still, it seems somewhat overpriced - were it sold for 2/3 of the MSRP, it could have been a hit. At current pricing of h686 and h886 it's a portfolio filler only... Btw. you were mentioning it used for IP cameras/NVR... but reality is such that it only comes with what - 4 camera licenses and you need to pay extra over the not-so-cheap device to begin with to get the NVR working for several cameras. And that's approx $60 per channel/additional camera of extra cost.

NO kidding its a fantasy box costs like 10 grand

7:20 yeah 750 terabytes

I prefer one 10Gb LAN port and at least 8 cores 16 threads CPU and 32GB RAM and at least eight 3.5 inches HDD Bays.

watching nas video "OHHHHH i want one, how cool Picard face palm figure" NICE! looks at price of 886.......3k AUD Face Palm

@davidg1838

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, it's a very nice unit but still too expensive for an SMB or SOHO solution.

How is this a server with only 2-core? Give me a quad-core Xeon.

@retrogameai858

3 жыл бұрын

TS-h886 has a 4 core Xeon. It is only about $200 more.

@geodome83

3 жыл бұрын

Quad-core, 16GB RAM, plenty of resources to run many containers.

is it just me or do these videos always have such a strong blue filter? It makes it really hard to watch if you come from another video of another channel.

They're nice I guess but man so expensive....

But at what cost?!?!?!?!

I own a TS-253Be for around two years. Friends, don't be fooled by the specs on a paper sheet. The software from Qnap is a crap, nothing works like it suppose to work, eventually you will want to build your DIY Server/NAS, don't replicate the mistake I made.

That Qnap is a bit to pricey for me :(

@bikerchrisukk

3 жыл бұрын

One of the reasons I went the freenas route 🙄

the 686 is about $1300

We need someone to take the time to kill some M2 cards for science, one at optimal working temperature and another running at 25°C (room temp) with water-cooling. I still wanna bet the one at constant room temp could last longer and still make no logical errors.

@ThunderKat

3 жыл бұрын

@starshipeleven but science, need science and braking point numbers...

@ThunderKat

3 жыл бұрын

@starshipeleven but still no science been done on those testing :( need science to take over.

@ThunderKat

3 жыл бұрын

@starshipeleven I haven't touch spybook in more than a decade, probably never gonna read the article. None the less you still don't see the point of science, is a control environment where there is little room for misleading data, like using same models and ensure conditions reach the criteria at all times. Room temperature means the materials won't suffer changes in size due to changes on temperatures and any soft spot like a single component or fragile element composing the circuit would stay under optimal conditions. This doesn't mean I understand how silicon can endure 100°C or other components can go even beyond this point without braking. If you apply your logic you might be happy buying and old AMD card working at 90°C at all times just because they told you they are design to run this way. Meanwhile I lost so many components from AMD due to high working temperatures that I don't believe this crap anymore and wanna see microchips working at room temperature like that old pocket calculator that even now still works without issues or that unbreakable old cellphone that never gets hot, can't process anything more than just photos and audio but still works after 20 years of use.

over 1300euros even today :D just build your computer with that money and you got lot more for your buck! just nas if you need nas, otherwise build your server yourself.

"It's not going to happen." [XCOM players sweating]

My opinion is based on my couple of years experience on QNAP. Don't buy it. Buy something more stable. QNAP software is crap and will give you outages and outages over and over again. For example recent firmware update done by system and after firmware update, can't login. Means can't access anything because of encrypted storage. QNAP responded after 2 days and their instructions didn't fix the issue still. No response for last 24 hours and I'm still waiting after 4 days of complete outage. Hoping that eventually at least it gets fixed without any data loss. It has been a disaster situation so far. Time I have spent on QNAP issues working with them again and again every now and then is really just too much too handle when I have already too much work going on.

@Marco911

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Software sucks and their support is terrible.

1450 Eur empty ? really ? anyone can build a better server by themselves for this amount of money ...

@bucharestcartraffic

3 жыл бұрын

@TheGoat loool.... you say XEON like it is the holygrail of computing. :))))))) .... FFS at that money you could buy the base of a Lenovo SR550. If you are smarter than that, you go for asrock mobo + cpu ( preferably AMD, yes it has ECC ) that fits your budget + a Inter-tech case... geizhals.eu/?fs=sr550&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=eu&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&in=

Though this is a great server appliance for SMB business, its way overpriced. I rather build a Server and throw a unraid on it, compared to the price of this unit. You can get more for your $ doing your own build than buying this appliance.

2-core CPU.... seriously ?

"everything that you would expect of a NAS" So be powered by proprietary hardware running buggy, insecure software that doesn't get updated and eventually will be abandoned in an attempt to get you to buy another device. Well played.

@BandanazX

3 жыл бұрын

@starshipeleven But it is that bad. The only reason to use this is the belief that it will be a better experience using their proprietary hardware and software. Otherwise just use something made from off the shelf components instead of an integrated system of dread.

@BandanazX

3 жыл бұрын

@starshipeleven I never will use a NAS appliance because I can do better for less.

@DocNo27

3 жыл бұрын

@@BandanazX "I never will use a NAS appliance because I can do better for less." so you don't know what you are talking about - got it. Look I can put together and run a NAS too. I don't WANT to. I have many other science projects that are far more interesting than managing something as mundane as a NAS, so paying a bit more for convenience is a trade off well worth it - for me. Also when I am installing things in environments like a friends business or my church, I'm not just installing something for me. I need to install something that others can also maintain if I'm not around. So congratulations for being such a badass and handling your use case so competently. This device isn't meant for you.

@BandanazX

3 жыл бұрын

@@DocNo27 People pay me to maintain things. I don't do what I do as a hobby for friends and churches. LOL.

@DocNo27

3 жыл бұрын

@@BandanazX Again such a badass I'm surprised your wasting your time in the comments for a device like this. Then again we wouldn't know how much of a badass you were if you didn't tell us :p

Unfortunately I hear horror stories about QNAP support. Google "If you value your data and sanity, don't buy QNAP" :-/

How to get Wendell to shill your product: Add ZFS. :p