I am Armenian & frankly I think it’s ridiculous we are separated over a single factor. The Christian world is under attack from all sides by atheism & materialism & it’s better all Orthodox Christians unite & celebrate our similarities rather than highlight our differences. I love all my Greek Orthodox brothers & sisters whom I consider cultural brothers & sisters to all Armenians.

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

6 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately life isn't that simple. That being said, this sermon actually DOES focus on what is the same.

@peterbuchan7904

5 жыл бұрын

@Markos pantopolos Shut your mouth, heretic. Orthodoxy is the true apostolic faith, not your man made heresy.

@peterbuchan7904

5 жыл бұрын

@Markos pantopolos Yes, and you're still a heretic as long as you place the word Orthodox in quotations. The Orthodox Church is the true church. All others are heretical and man-made traditions. The Orthodox do not "curse" Monophysite churches, we have anathematized them and those who teach their heresy. They are also correct in mocking their false ascesis, as did Christ when he deliberately plucked wheat and healed the sick on the Sabbath, in violation of strict Rabbinic interpretations. I fail to see how Orthodox using Cheesefare Sunday to establish, by a bold contradistinction, their opposition to those who pervert the truth about the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, is substantially difference in spirit from the instances recorded in the Gospel where Christ is presented as eating and drinking wine with tax collectors and notorious sinners, essentially thumbing his nose at the dietary and ritual purity laws prescribed by the Pharisees. Like Cheesefare, this was an open affront to the dubious piety of those who falsely regarded themselves as theologically collect and righteous, while nullifying the heart of the law. But the intention of this affront was to expose hypocrisy and admonish sinners, something which is also the intention of the Orthodox when they make a point to eat Cheese on an Monophysite fast day, and not the petty malice and spite which you incorrectly and unsoundly attribute to these practices. And really, your damnable heresy and shameless opposition to the truth is no laughing matter. The fate of your eternal soul is nothing to snicker over.

@pedroual

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately it is not Brother. It is very complicated and it will take time.

@infowolf1

4 жыл бұрын

@Markos pantopolos the heresy at issue was monophysitism, not fasting per se.

I am an Oriental Syriac Orthodox. We do believe in Jesus being fully divine and fully human. It is time to unite as one Orthodox church.

@Tornadospeed10

Жыл бұрын

@Tanya it’s for a reason. The two churches had a disagreement over one word despite meaning the same thing, and let pride get in the way. So over a thousand years of bitterness and arguing and being taught that each other are terrible for their thoughts

@Anissavoski

8 ай бұрын

I believe just like how we het one set of chromosomes from one parent and another form the other parent, he was clearly half and half!! That should not lessen His divinity/spiritual form.

Copic Orthodox here! All I can say is, Jesus has probably been facepalming over this division for the past 1500 years. I pray to see unity and mutual forgiveness in my lifetime. God bless you, Father, and may He bring our Holy Churches together soon! :)

@egyhockey

7 жыл бұрын

AmericanOrthodoxChristian Yes! I will say though that Coptic churches differ in how ethnically diverse they are and how much they pray in English versus Arabic/Coptic (catering to a more immigrant community).

@Mitchery

7 жыл бұрын

AmericanOrthodoxChristian Otaku Kirishitan

@Jesusandbible

6 жыл бұрын

Can you trace the history of the head of your church back to the Apostles?

@Jesusandbible

6 жыл бұрын

You say at one time the Oriental Orthodox where the same church but they went into an heretical schism and broke away. From what Apostle does the "Titular Head" type figure of Oriental Orthodoxy descend, and which was the last real bishop in that line, and the first "heretical" bishop who was now oriental orthodox not eastern orthodox? What year did the schism happen and what council?

@Jesusandbible

6 жыл бұрын

after all, the Eastern Orthodox AND Oriental Orthodox are BOTH trying to link their Authority back to the same Apostle - Mark

I'm a Coptic Orthodox, I really miss you brethren 1500 years, a very long time I wish we could come back, because I'm really eager to pray with you and share the Eucharist with you, my beloved We must work to come back again.

@mroberg8364

2 жыл бұрын

What caused the division??? Why are the Orthodox apart?

@nromanov

2 жыл бұрын

As a Eastern Orthodox Christian I say; Amin!

I converted to Eastern Orthodoxy about a month ago. But I truly love the Coptic Orthodox Church and their icons. I think their churches are beautiful. I have family who are Coptic Orthodox because one of my uncles was Egyptian, he is deceased now though please pray for him. may his memory be eternal.

@Thetruthisnoteasy

3 жыл бұрын

Then you should not know Christianity is not an aesthetic experience. We are all called to self-denial and ascesis

@andrewkhalil3128

3 жыл бұрын

Coptic Orthodox Christian are also orthodox! Who refuses this, does not know the coptic church

@Thetruthisnoteasy

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewkhalil3128 Calling yourself Orthodox does not mean you profess the correct faith or practice it. The Oriental Churches fell off through heresy and schism which continues until this very day. Some of them have decided to unite with another heresy, Roman Catholicism, despite huge ideological difference.

@andrewkhalil3128

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thetruthisnoteasy I am read to learn. Please tell what are the herecys of the Coptic Church. Dont understand me wrong - I really want to know so I can think about it. Thank you

@andrewkhalil3128

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thetruthisnoteasy You have not answered me. If your claiming that Coptics are not orthodox than proof it.

Greeks: Christ is a single person, this one person existed in two complete natures, one human and one divine. Coptitc: Christ has one nature, but this nature is both human and divine. Me: ????🙄 What? Aren't they both saying the same thing? So, what is the beef? conclusion: Christ is fully human and fully divine.

@dddwww1948

4 жыл бұрын

@@tomtomtomtomtomson5810 So, says the liar prophet Muhammad.

@King.Kaleb3

4 жыл бұрын

Aseffa B we do not say mixed, Tewahedo means United. Without mixture, confusion or alteration

@monikaa3587

4 жыл бұрын

Theyre literally saying the same thing in different ways. To think that this is why they split just proves how weak their faith is tbh

@dddwww1948

4 жыл бұрын

@@monikaa3587 well, politics might have something to do with it. It never was about faith.

@HarryAGeorgiou

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think the non-chalcedon accept that the two nature's are distinct from each other. Otherwise they would accept the rest of the councils. Not sure why they are not accepted if they believe the same thing, who knows, let's hope that one day there recognise this and make the appropriate amendments in a council.

I am Antiochian Orthodox, I spent time with the Coptics and deeply love and respect them. The Oriental Orthodox are truly spiritually advanced. I've met more Coptic clergy that could advise me as I could find in the Eastern Orthodox. The West is ruining Orthodoxy. I am from a family with 2 opposing cultures and this division reminds me so much of this. I dont see them as heretics and if the top bishops and theologians on either side of the fences cant fix it then we the Christian people will make it change. Orthodox Christendom must UNITE.

@Catholic01

4 жыл бұрын

Heresy

@someguy9571

3 жыл бұрын

@@Catholic01 Heresy because?

@Catholic01

3 жыл бұрын

@@someguy9571 Orthodoxy is heresy Over All

@johnabdo5688

3 жыл бұрын

@ Knights of Christ completely agree with you

@mmore242

2 жыл бұрын

@@Catholic01 May God forgive you for you know not what you’re saying.

Forgive each other. 1500 years is a long time to be seperated from your brothers. Unite as one and the watch the world change

@dominicmourad7220

7 жыл бұрын

amen to that

@pedroual

4 жыл бұрын

As an Orthodox (Greek) I agree brother. The Christian doctrine is being attacked we Orthodox must stand fast.

@hushai5154

4 жыл бұрын

Jesus Himself prayer was that we would be one (JN 17). Let us strive to live in obedience to him.

@adothariman966

4 жыл бұрын

What do you mean by 'forgive'? The Orthodox Church holds no grudge against the Severians. The matter is strictly dogmatic

@mimidelosreyes8654

4 жыл бұрын

man vatican churh have a lot of wrong points

Ever since Chalcedon, the Eastern and the Oriental sides have been calling the same stuff with different names. I'm member of the Oriental family, Ethiopian. The Oriental fathers throughout the ages just found it comfortable to call it with the exact same term it had been called Ephesus and before (i.e. "Miaphysis tou Theo Logo Sesarcomene" - One Nature of the Word of God Incarnate) Otherwise, the Eastern and the Oriental families believed in the same Christology along the way. Both natures of Christ are perfectly preserved after incarnation - Christ is perfectly God, in as much as He is perfectly Human.

@danielbekele5424

6 жыл бұрын

That's a Good description

@eldermillennial8330

6 жыл бұрын

Regardless, English sucks at nuancing these concepts properly. That is why I think english speaking protestants oversimplify everything in a thousand ways.

@Jesusandbible

6 жыл бұрын

Do you trace the history of the head of your church back to the Apostles?

@kirubelkirubel4636

6 жыл бұрын

yea mark. Just like the Coptic. Our bishops were ordained in Alexandria until the 1900's when we got our own Patriarch

@Jesusandbible

6 жыл бұрын

How? What date do all your bishops diversify from Eastern Orthodoxy? can you link me to full family trees right back to the Apostles of the Oriental bishops? The Eastern Orthodox do that, but it seems you do not put your lists of bishops online. Why?

Thank u for the video Father ! Im from the Syriac Orthodox Church, and have studied theology for almost 8 years, and I see no difference between the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Oriental Orthodox Church. My hope and dream has always been that the two churches will unite !

@dominicmourad7220

7 жыл бұрын

tihe suryoye

@presteyqah3963

7 жыл бұрын

Aloho rabo!

@joshuawells8227

7 жыл бұрын

The tragic thing is that the Eastern/Oriental theological divide has been reconciled, however, the ecclesiastic divide has yet to be formally reconciled, joining our sister churches.

@mardikovacs9428

7 жыл бұрын

I pray that we unite as a one Holy Orthodox Church

@dominicmourad7220

7 жыл бұрын

Amen

Thank you Father for a wonderful video...I too look forward for full Communion, it's been too long ... We ask the congregation to forgive one another when they experience conflict, I believe we must follow suit. God bless. Fr Gabriel .. Coptic Orthodox Priest

@raymondrjaily1979

4 жыл бұрын

Amen Father.

My birth place😄 (Lake City, Florence County SC). I'm recently converted to Tewahedo Ethiopian Orthodox and have been studying this issue for months now.

@betht840

4 жыл бұрын

How is it going?

@rogue7894

4 жыл бұрын

Betelhem Hantal Great. i’ve been practicing for 2 years now ( tsoming only on Wed/Fri). I was baptized officially in November and completed both major fasts which was very rewarding and challenging. Why wife is Ethiopian and my kids were christened when they were born. Very enlightening and I feel like I’m home as far as faith goes.

@betht840

4 жыл бұрын

@@rogue7894 I'm very glad to hear that. May God bless you and your family 💖

@adeya7161

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the Tewahedo family

@hannasolomon7820

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome home. It’s great to be Ethiopian orthodox tewahdo. Hope everything goes well for you.

Please let’s make this unification happen. Our difference is something that can be worked. We both orthodox. Growing up, I never know we were two different orthodox. I’m Ethiopian orthodox

@tilethio

2 жыл бұрын

I concur on your statement and I am also glad the divided Synods of our own finally united.

@evan.5967

Жыл бұрын

Our rites are completely different though as we diverged so long back

I belong to Syrian orthodox in india Kerala but I all the orthodox Christian community to co-operate and help each other. I belong to a church founded by St. Thomas deciple of Christ

I want to convert to the holy Coptic orthodox Christianity from Catholicism

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

4 жыл бұрын

Please contact your nearest Orthodox Christian priest

@Gita_Thapa

4 жыл бұрын

@@BeTransfiguredMinistries There are many orthodox churches in Kolkata, India. Kolkata is about 3 hours by road from my town. Sadly even if I convert to orthodox Christianity I would not be able to attend regular Sunday Mass as Kolkata is very far from my native town.

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

4 жыл бұрын

You are not alone. Once you connect with the priest he will help you with a schedule to make the trip to the city.

@jesusisgod4638

3 жыл бұрын

There is no difference they both the same sister just accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior and repent that Jesus is Lord Christianity is all about Jesus

@albadi1313

3 жыл бұрын

The bottom line is Catholic/Orthodox/Oriental- we all believe pretty much the same. 1) Believe in Nicene Creed 2) Jesus is truly man and truly Divine 3) Jesus is the incarnated word of God 4) Believe in holy theotokos

I visited a Serbian Orthodox Church for the first time this morning for Divine Liturgy. I grew up Protestant, so this was definitely a new experience for me. Please pray that I find a church that is theologically and doctrinally sound.

@matthewr4836

3 жыл бұрын

PackASqueeno I invite you to look into the Catholic Church as the one founded by Christ over the Rock of Peter! 🙏🏼🙏🏼

@SaleSarajlija

Жыл бұрын

Greetings from a Serbian Orthodox Christian, PockASqueeno. Glad you visited our church:).

@KillerofGods

9 ай бұрын

How'd it go?

Thank you fr. for your obvious love to your brothers and sisters in the oriental Orthodox Church, The Devil was successful in separating the Christians throughout ages. Orthodox separated, Catholics separated, Protestants separated. God bless you, Your Coptic brother in Christ.

1569 years are but mere moments in the eyes of God! I hope to see this long divide healed in my lifetime. What an honor that would be.

The Father in this video mentions that both sides called each other names. That’s funny, because I grew up in one of the Oriental Orthodox churches, and not once did I hear anyone speaking negatively of the Greeks or Russians or any other EO church. If we talked about “heresy,” my church would talk about the Nestorian heresy and the Arian heresy, not about the Greeks or Russians. As for what I was raised to believe, I was raised to reject the term “Monophysite” (“one physis”). I was raised in the OO Church to believe in Jesus as both God and man, both human and divine. We recite the same Nicene Creed as the Eastern Orthodox churches.

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

6 жыл бұрын

The very term "monophysite" is indeed part of the ancient "name calling" I am referring to. There is most definitely a history of back-and-forth name calling as part of our communication throughout history. It may not be part of our contemporary experience, but the Church doesn't look solely at the contemporary.

@ola1707

5 жыл бұрын

M V while Growing up I didn’t know there is two Orthodox Church I always know I am orthodox but now I know I am Oriental Orthodox.

@viviennebaptiste

5 жыл бұрын

M V Troll 101 I am new to Orthodoxy. All of this Is confusing. If both Oriental and Eastern believe in the Jesus, and his two natures, what’s the fight about? If everything else is the same, then what is the big deal?

@luisrincon7819

5 жыл бұрын

M V And what about Traditional Catholics?

@keeganmoonshine7183

3 жыл бұрын

@@viviennebaptiste the fight is about ancient politics and language misunderstandings

I am from Malankara orthodox church. let the dream come true..

@marcusabraham7271

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

My Orthodox Faith is my true joy!!! I'm at home in every single Orthodox Church. If it says Orthodox, I'm there. Our Church is here to keep the complete Truth alive till the second and Glorious coming!!!☦️ Syrian Orthodox

Great video; your channel is so needed on KZread.

Our church is Ethiopian orthodox church.By the way our church belief has been proved by God and his family.Many saints were taken alive just like prophet Elijah and some holly people were taken to heaven and come back just like saint Paul .If our belief was wrong ,Why do you think so many saints from Armenia, Coptic,Ethiopian, Eritrea, Syria, India, even some nine saints from Rome were either taken directly to heaven and saw what is happening there or Jesus or his Angles were appear to them and guided them. Therefore, I am not biased by our faith but I wish I could live by his word.

Thank you! You are a GREAT teacher! Fascinating explanation!! I so pray for your unity, the world needs it sooooo bad!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼

I'm a Copt, and I find it baffling that the Church has remained divided over such a miniscule detail. I love the Greek and Russian hymns, and their churches are beautiful, and it's frustrating that I am unable to take communion at one, despite the very clear similarities of our liturgies and theology.

@mroberg8364

2 жыл бұрын

what is the ""miniscule detail""?

@teswsenbet1041

Жыл бұрын

I am an Ethiopian Orthodox. Is Christology 'minuscule detail"?

@pikoujimbok

Жыл бұрын

@@teswsenbet1041 i mean when oriental and eastern orthodoxy have a nearly identical view on christs nature (two separate natures that dont mingle) and the two churches are identical in almost every other regard it kind of feels pointless to not do everything we can to heal the schism

@teswsenbet1041

Жыл бұрын

@@pikoujimbok "two separate natures that don't mingle" This is wrong, Oriental Orthodox rejects this view and believes Jesus Christ has one nature. The Council of Chalcedon was nothing but an attempt to resurrect the heresy of Nestorius. Pride, the desires of the flesh and worldly desires were at play and dominated the council.

@pikoujimbok

Жыл бұрын

@@teswsenbet1041 yes we believe that christ had one nature, but with two aspects which do not mingle. practically speaking this would work the exact same as dyophysitism theologically. splitting up the church over this just doesnt seem like its in the best interest of christians

I am from Malankara Orthodox ( Indian). Thank you Father for the simple explanation of the first schism. Invfact it was the difference of language made this schism. As father was saying, both groups meant the same.

Just need to look at the comments for a moment to realise how loving both sides are!!! ...For both sides be aware that noone is giving up his faith ...when we try to have dialogue its not equal to be blind if someone would say something wrong about faith in the same way we have to be honest with each other and with ourself if both sides have the same understanding...The unity is the desire of the church of christ 🙏

I never understood this difference. I am Protestant, so I am still learning about the Orthodox Church. Thank you for putting this video up.

@jesusisgod4638

3 жыл бұрын

What’s Protestant means??

@robertpineda3961

3 жыл бұрын

@@jesusisgod4638 A Protestant is someone who belongs to a Christian tradition or denomination that stems from the Protestant Reformation of the 16th and 17th centuries. So for example, Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Non-Denominational, etc. are all Protestants.

@jesusisgod4638

3 жыл бұрын

Robert Pineda do you know the doctrine of Protestant??

@robertpineda3961

3 жыл бұрын

@@jesusisgod4638 The doctrine depends on the Tradition or Denomination, though they are similar on the essentials.

@jesusisgod4638

3 жыл бұрын

Robert Pineda how about the orthodox doctrine?

May you hear the word of life. This enlightened my thoughts about our unification than our differences.

Honestly, if we all want unity the Oriental, Eastern, and Catholic churches need to have a council and try to unite.

@user-jh5ur5ft1w

3 жыл бұрын

Its a little bit difficult for catholics

@AZ-le3zy

3 жыл бұрын

I am Catholic and I say AMEN! to that. Unity needs to be our common goal. May our Lord hear our prayers 🙏🏼🌹

@matthewr4836

3 жыл бұрын

I’m Catholic and I agree unity is optimal! Complicated, but the Spirit is powerful!! Ut Unum Sint!!

God bless each of you, Greek, Russian Coptic, Armenian. I converted to the Roman Catholic faith after having been a Baptist pastor.

I believe both the oriental and eastern Orthodox's are faith full to their theology and has been keeping this for centuries and they are really devoted to the teaching of our Lord God and saviour jesus Christ and his apostels. May our Lord God and Saviour jesus christ son of God son of Merry the lover of mankind make this reunion before our eyes ✝️✝️ Love from ethiopian orthodox

2020 as Orthodox we now have a bigger problem, which already existed in 2016, this is why my Patriarch of Antioch and the Patriarch of Russia did not attend Crete. As a convert in 2006, I could never understand what the difference between the Coptic Church and my Antiochian Church was.

you have been explained as plainly what were saying for 1500 years . We condemn your saint and you condemn our saints too . I am really hurry to see the reunion of eastern and oriental orthodox church . As more as i have searched to know the difference i have found zero difference especially in christiology . We need you and you miss us too . Huge thanks from eritrean orthodox church .

correct me if i am wrong or atleast help me understand how this really matters and if this single factor really has merit. BUt i cant really find a real significant difference, i mean the Ethiopian(and orientals) orthodox church say, Tewahedo (Ge'ez: ተዋሕዶ täwaḥədo) is a Ge'ez word meaning "being made one" or "unified". This word refers to the Oriental Orthodox belief in the one single unified nature of Christ; i.e., a belief that a complete, natural union of the Divine and Human Natures (it doesnt deny the presence of both natures). these Churches themselves describe their Christology as miaphysite (meaning "one united nature" in reference to Jesus, the Greek equivalent of "Tewahedo").

@tilethio

2 жыл бұрын

I am glad you raise this question and let me contribute from the little I knew. Before 1875 (Ethiopian calander) Ethiopian Orthodox church's were divided Oriental and Easter theology. The majority of the church's were Oriental and some following Eastern. This dispute betwen the prists has created difficulties for governments for centuries. During Emperor Yohannis IV reign, the emperor with King Minilik at that time brings both church's for a debate in Wollo. It was a heated debate and finally the Orientals win the debate and the two church's united in to Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahdo Church. Tewahedo refers to the trinity of God. You can read about this history from the book of "Ase Yohannis and Ye Ethiopian Andenet" by Tekle Tsadik Mekuria. I may not be perfect but this is as little as I know about the Tewahdo church.

Fact checks: 1. The Syriac Orthodox Church, which is also in Syria and Turkey, mainly Syria (it used to be called the Syrian Orthodox Church) and the Antiochian Orthodox Church are in a state of limited intercommunion, where in the Levant, members of either church can be married and receive the Eucharist in either church. A similar agreement exists between the Greek and Coptic Churches of Alexandria. In addition, in the diaspora, Oriental Orthodox churches frequently share buildings with Eastern Orthodox parishes, and there are Eastern Orthodox priests who will communicate them. Others are more doctrinaire. 2. Greek and Coptic Orthodox Popes of Alexandria attempted to reunify their respective churches in the 1800s but were thwarted by the Albanian Khedive (the nominal viceroy of the Ottoman Sultan), who feared the political power of a unified Christian church in Egypt (even though the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria was and is much smaller than the Coptic Church). There were several other moments of communion nearly being established. Also, the Oriental church had an enormous influence on the Eastern church; their bishop Mar Severus composed the hymn “Ho Monoges” later added to the Byzantine liturgy by Emperor Justinian, and the Oriental church also was the first to have a presanctified liturgy, which became the basis for the Eastern Orthodox Presanctified Liturgy of St. James, which in turn was adapted into the Vesperal Presanctified Liturgy of St. Gregory used in Lent by the Eastern Orthodox, and on Good Friday by the Roman Catholics (until 1955, when Pope Pius XII rewrote the Mass of the Presanctified so that it no longer resembled the Eastern Orthodox liturgy), by Pope St. Gregory Dialogos. The Oriental church also never suffered from iconoclasm. 3. The Assyrian Church of the East, and the Ancient Church of the East, use the word Christotokos, and commemorate Nestorius as a saint; they have also been having ecumenical dialogue with the Eastern Orthodox. What is more, the Church of the East in antiquity, being a Syriac speaking church, was at times very close to the Syriac Orthodox Church, so that when the Syriac Orthodox Maphrian, the archbishop of the Syriac church in Iraq, Mar Bar Hebraeus, died in the 9th century, he died in a predominantly Assyrian town, and the majority of mourners present at his funerals were Assyrians (Nestorians), led in mourning by the Patriarch of the Assyrian Church of the East. The Roman Catholic church has been in dialogue with the Eastern Orthodox, the Oriental Orthodox, and the Church of the East, and has concluded that the Christology of all three Eastern churches is compatible with its own (and indeed, the Syriac Catholic and Chaldean Catholic churches have been encouraged, like the Eastern Catholic churches, to de-Latinize). 4. The Orthodox Church of America is also autocephalous, having been granted autocephaly by the Moscow Patriarchate around 1970; the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and several other Orthodox churches simply refuse to recognize this autocephaly. They should have been invited to the council. The Antiochians did not attend because the Ecumenical Patriarchate has not ruled on a pressing grievance they have with the Church of Jerusalem opening parishes in Qatar, which Antioch considers its canonical territory. Ultimately several other churches boycotted the 2016 Council of Crete.

Thanks Father for this sermon. I’m a Coptic orthodox Christian who is really sad about the schism and I understand that it is hard to unite but God willing we will do. The main problem relies about denouncing each others anathemas for Dioscorus and Leo.

Thanks for the clarification father! i hope both churches will solve there problems and come together, because its a smart way to be together in this difficult world in which fate has come to be more harder and harder every day. As an Oriental Orthodox Church follower I really went the unification. God be merciful to us! and lets forgive each other! In-spite of we are separated for many years!

GOD Bless you sir. One day God willing will come together.

very good information from our bothers in Christ. Loved to hear the history of theses churches.

Great video. This division has always been a misunderstanding and it's important to hear a Greek Orthodox priest say that the Oriental Orthodox do share the same Christological beliefs as the Eastern Orthodox. The current dialog is a wonderful thing. It was all a matter of trying to define something so hard to define with words. Thanks for sharing this video.

@setamelk101

3 жыл бұрын

Because ever since GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE CREATED THE WORLD , the greeks think and believe they are the nation who believe in GOD THE SON AND HOLLY SPIRIT, and with their undtestanding putting edges between ORTHODOX BELIEVERS, AS they are the true Orthodox and WE PEOPLE ARE ORIENTED ORTHODOX, let me tell you oh priest or bishop you are, you aren't teaching or preaching the truth from the ALTAR, YOU ALWAYS IN THE PAST AND PRESENT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN JEALOUS NATION FROM ARMENIAN NATION, because they are the CHOSEN NATION TO GOD, go and read in the books, where they say, IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO GOD SPEAK ARMENIAN, BECAUSE ALMIGHTY GOD LISTENS AND UNDRESTANDS THIS NATION AS THE NOAH'S ARK RESTED WITH GODS COMMAND LANDED on the FIRST CHRISTIAN NATION ( EVER SINCE THE YEAR 301) ARMENIA, and that's why you can't swallow that the ARMENIAN'S ARE THE FIRST APOSTOLIC ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN'S, that's why the greeks have made up this whole ORTHODOX AND ORIENTAL ORTHODOX, mind you mr. or greek father or bishop, when the WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES ( the Orthodox and all other churches) do you know who ALWAYS has been the. first speaker and the president of that MEETING LEADS, its by the LEADERSHIP OF THE ARMENIAN CATHOLICOS OF CICILIA. Thats why you greeks BURN. because the ARMENIAN CATHICOS SPEAKS READS AND WRITES SEVEN LANGUAGES, maybe that's what makes them unique.

@felobatirmoheb4884

4 ай бұрын

​@setamelk101 huh?

John 1:1 In the beginning there was Word ,the Word was with God,the Word was God.Now we know now the Word is God.Meanwhile, John 1:14 the Word become Flesh(human). Now the question is who is become Flesh, the answer is the Word, okay who is the Word? In the above statement, the Word is God.Hence,God nature is almighty and human nature is weaknesses. After God become human, the nature of God become human nature and the nature of human nature become God nature.which means there would not be two different nature in Jesus Christ after God become human.we call it two opposite nature become one. Unified "oriental orthodox belief"and the right one according to the Bible.

@Razamaniac

6 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ also said I am the ''son of human'' ee-ee-os an-th-ropu, most people know it as ''the son of man'', since man and human have simmilar meaning but the word ''human'' is more correct because ''man'' also means ''male'' while the word ''human'' is more absolute to the nature of humankind-mankind. Jesus Crist is not just God and man at the same time, but Perfect God and Perfect man at the same time without the one nature overlapping the other, He is a Divine mistery.

@samidew5092

6 жыл бұрын

" And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1: 14)

@samidew5092

6 жыл бұрын

Razamaniac " And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." (Matthew 16: 16)

@samidew5092

6 жыл бұрын

Razamaniac so what is your biblical evidence on two Nature

@Razamaniac

6 жыл бұрын

''I am the Son of man'', you can find it everywhere in the New Testament You said it yourself : '' And the Word flesh became'' + ''God noone has seen never'' (John 1: 18) Yesterday the priest read in the gospel: ''When shall come the son of man inside the glory of his..'' (Mathew 25:31) And ''Bible of genesis of Jesus Christ'' (Mathew1:1) And more and more and more. You ask of me things you have read allready, you just ignore them.

I am Syrian and I am Eastern-Orthodox and I did not abandon my Syriac Identity in favour of a greek one, everyday I pray in both syriac and greek, We are Orthodox Christians we are Syrians Russians Greeks Serbians Bulgarians Romanians Macedonians Jordanians Palestinians united in one church no matter the nationality I say all this nonsens Eastern-Orthodox Vs Oriental Orthodox debates is gone alredy we should unitee the Devil is happy when we make divisions and the pope in Rome also happy, we are One Christian Orthodox Church from the time of our lord to present.

@syrianobassel4425

2 жыл бұрын

Suryoyo EO ?

Just a quick question, is there a difference in the number of books in the Bible between Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox?

@arsemakifle8438

4 жыл бұрын

YS yes the oriental church have 81 books in the Bible.

@Name-le2cc

4 жыл бұрын

@@arsemakifle8438 what about the Eastern Orthodox how many do you have?

@someguy9571

3 жыл бұрын

@@arsemakifle8438 Correction: The Ethiopian (and probably the Eritrean) Church has 81 books. The Coptic Church and I assume all the other OO Churches have pretty much the same canon as the Eastern Orthodox.

Thank you for the clarification. 🍃🕊✨🫧♥️🇦🇺

Let’s pray

Can someone tell me which song was used in the begining of the video...and anyway i can download it.

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

8 жыл бұрын

You will find the hymn as track #27 on this CD itunes.apple.com/us/album/celebrate-the-feasts/id485146919

The first bischop of Serbia was Saint Andronicus pointed by Saint apostle Jacob in 34 AD in Sirmium today Sremska mitrovica in Serbia then known as Illyria. Greetings to all my orthodox brothers and sisters ☦☦☦

God bless you father. I am from the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. I want the two orthodox churches to unify and be one. I get upset when some eastern orthodox Christians say ''you ethiopians are not orthodox.'' I wanted everyone to know that there is no difference between these churches. And i got this video very helpful. Thank you father.

Father, bless. Dear Father, I'm very happy to hear this sermon. I was baptised into the Coptic Church a couple of years ago, but then was received into the Eastern Orthodox Church on Palm Sunday this year - purely for cultural reasons. I just thought I'd let you know that the British Orthodox Church is no longer a part of the Coptic Church, it broke away last year and is now an independent Church. It is so refreshing to hear your views on the situation between EO & OO, as Copts in particular have quite a hard time in Orthodox Facebook Groups. It has always been my understanding that the schism was a result of two parts of the Church stating the same thing, but in a different way. The Copts, and all the OO really have always believed Christ to have both a human and a Divine nature - but the way that they expressed this was not especially liked by the EO - and the OO said the same thing about the way that the EO expressed their Christological views. The fact that both sides agreed with St. Cyril's Christological definition didn't seem to help much either! We really are a "human Church", as you said. And then of course the Copts spent many many centuries oppressed by Islamic rule, making any sort of communication very difficult indeed. It seems that both sides of the Church have faced such trials - but now, hopefully - continuing where the wonderful H.H Pope Shenouda III started in the 1970's - we can work to heal the rift. Glory to God.

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your thoughts. Glory to God.

@monkeydoublebackflips240

8 жыл бұрын

what were the reasons for the British Orthodox Church breaking communion with the Coptic Orthodox Church ?

@juliejones2805

8 жыл бұрын

+888Daniiii It is not appropriate for me to discuss such things, but the end result is that they broke away and became an Independent Group, not in communion with the Coptic Orthodox Church.

@monkeydoublebackflips240

8 жыл бұрын

+Julie Jones do you know of any websites / webpages that provide more information about the reasons behind the British Orthodox Church breaking communion with the Coptic Orthodox Church ?

@juliejones2805

8 жыл бұрын

+888Daniiii Sorry, no I don't.

This seems a lot like protestantism. What I mean by this, is all of the splitting and name calling. OK, I'm a Catholic, and we have Eastern Rite Parishes, but we are all Catholics and I can receive the Eucharist in any parish.

Is there any real differences between the Greek, Ukraine, Russian, and Antioch church aside from the languages of the sermons? I am looking to convert so that's why I ask.

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

6 жыл бұрын

Not in theology, but in common practices. This sermon from a couple years ago explains what I mean...kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYiqzKmkcpPcgbw.html

"Why do you ask my name seeing that it is too Wonderful to comprehend?" - Judges 13:18 Blessed is the generation that humbles itself to stop with the metaphysical layers of terminology that pridefully assume to define the undefinable one. The Incarnate Logos came for us, died for us, and saved us with HIS own blood by His own will for us all.

I'm an outsider and I've seen God in the eyes of people in both Churches. In fact, if I were a betting man, I'd say the people of the Coptic Church seem the most Christian of them all. Talk about dedicated. There is no difference between them but perhaps a little bit of ego at work 1500 years ago. :)

I know exactly how you can let go of 1500 years of hostility. Jesus said, “Forgive our transgressions as we forgive those that transgress against us”,

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

2 жыл бұрын

As I say in the sermon that is sometimes easier said than done. It doesn’t help the cause to deny human weakness.

An example of arguing over things we don’t understand.

As the Church cleans its spots and irons out its wrinkles, Messiah will return. Thank you for addressing this issue.

Being Coptic Orthodox I really hope that one day we become one again

I am in the Greek Church, and have always been taught that Copts, Armenians, etc. are completely Orthodox, and that's what I believe. That said, what of very highly respected saints like St. Justin Popovich, St. Paisios of Athos, even St. John of Shanghai condemned them as heretics? Were they misinformed?

@johnlag8169

4 жыл бұрын

With all the respect, I am sorry to inform you that you did not have very good teachers my friend.

@johnlag8169

4 жыл бұрын

@Markos pantopolos very mature my friend...

Let the adherents of Severus answer this question: Before the Incarnation, did the Word have a 'dual divine-human nature'?

I AM ETHIOPIAN ORTHODOX TWAHIDO I WISH WILL BE UNITY

I am member of Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahdo Church. Thank you father for bringing this lecture for us. The Oriental Orthodox church's particularly Ethiopian and Erterian(which is just Identical except their location) which I know well and I belive the same in Egypt, since its establishment believe in Holy Trinity...which we all know the meaning. As you said if the Eastern belive on Trinity and like wise the Orientals, the 1500 years were a wasted time where we give our way for domination of Catholics and others while we argue. I belive the things which makes as different is smaller than unite us. May God blessing be on all of us and lead us to the best.

@clipaqua8848

Жыл бұрын

Eritrean**

I have been in catechism in the Eastern Church and recently attended the liturgy at the Coptic Church. I'm sad that for now I have to choose one or the other.

Well, with the OCA (Orthodox Church in America), that's 15 jurisdictions in the world. Of course only the Slavic churches officially recognize our autocephaly given from Russia.

@rx88088

7 жыл бұрын

I can't speak for every church and person, as some ethnic people can be stuck in their ways, however, attending the service is okay. But only people who are Eastern Orthodox (and not Oriental Orthodox) are allowed to partake of the Eucharist. Everyone is welcome to attend.

@rx88088

7 жыл бұрын

I attend an English speaking parish that is diverse. :)

@rx88088

7 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure who you are referring to exactly, but, like I said, EVERYONE is welcome. If you are referring to the Russian who gave you a dirty look, what they did is wrong, and anyone who is unwelcoming to others is acting wrongly. Anyone can become Orthodox, and race does not matter! We are all human beings, and Christ died for each and every one of us. The only thing that only Eastern Orthodox people are allowed are the Sacraments, but the services are open to all.

If we can’t forget about 1500 years of separation then we don’t believe in God!!!history doesn’t save us so let’s unite we can be the new hope to the world

How many of the Orthodox Churches are going to be at the Cretan council? Or is this just one other thing the EP is cramming through, like the calendar change, the dismemberment of liturgical music, and the meddling with Ukraine?

If they did reunite what would they do about churches with overlapping jurisdiction. Such as the Coptic Church of Alexandria and the Greek Church of Alexandria etc.

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

3 жыл бұрын

It would be worked out

There r some mistakes for example priest said" Theotokos"but it is writting wrong:"fail tacos"/ also he said:"his name was Nestor" and it is written"next door " / be more careful about the translation greek to englisch please/thnx

There is power in unity

So Armenian-Orthodox can get married within the Greek-Orthodox church without issue but cannot receive the sacraments of confession and holy communion? Does the Armenian-Orthodox Church recognize the validity of a Greek-Orthodox wedding ceremony for one of their faithful? ( I understand the Roman Catholic church allows this in the Greek Orthodox Church.) Also, can a Armenian-Orthodox priest provide a blessing at the end of a Greek Orthodox wedding ceremony if one of the people belong to the oriental orthodox church?

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

3 ай бұрын

According to Tradition of the Church, no other blessings can be given except by a Canonical Orthodox Priest. As I understand the situation if an Armenian Orthodox Christian is married in the Greek Orthodox Church, he or she would not be in good standing with the Armenian Church.

@Theo-hb2cb

3 ай бұрын

@@BeTransfiguredMinistries I have seen that the Greek Orthodox Church allows Catholic priest to say a blessing at the end of an Orthodox wedding ceremony. In order to validate the Catholic person in being in good standing with the Catholic church which they belong too. Are you saying that this would not apply for Oriental Orthodox Christians? cms7files.revize.com/stnicholaschurch/document_center/Sacraments/2021%20-%20Wedding%20Packet%20-%205-10-21.pdf

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

3 ай бұрын

If this was done, it was out of the ordinary. Many priests take actions that are not permitted.

Amén ♥️✨♥️God bless you ♥️✨✨♥️

I'm sorry but YOU ARE WRONG I am a coptic Orthodox Christian and in the coptic Orthodox Church we believe in two natures in one person of Christ and in the words of saint Cyril " two natures in one without mixing nor Change and enternally with the other and without separation "

Thank you for the information Father. Is not the Macedonian Orthodox Church part of the Eastern Orthodox Church?

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

3 жыл бұрын

It is not in communion with the Eastern Orthodox Church

@saso3545

3 жыл бұрын

What is the reason for this?

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

3 жыл бұрын

The Macedonian Church is an independent Church not in communion with the Orthodox Church. One main reason is most likely a remnant of the territorial wars in the region over the centuries but we continually pray for all the Orthodox Churches to be in communion. By God’s Grace and human humility.

@saso3545

3 жыл бұрын

It is indeed a shame that the Macedonian Orthodox Church is not accepted by the other Eastern Orthodox Churches. We all need to keep praying for one another and that we all over the world unite as Orthodox Christians in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church through Jesus Christ our God. Lord Have Mercy Kyrie Liaison Господи Помилуи 🙏🏼☦️

Unite and hurry up !!!!!

I'm from the Coptic Orthodox Church and I hope to reunite again But I have a Question Why when doing the sign of the cross you after touching the forehead and abdomen you go from RIGHT to LEFT? Isn't left represents evil and right is good where Jesus moved us from evil to righteousness

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

6 жыл бұрын

Interesting that you would think that we could ever be glorifying evil when we bless ourselves with the sign of the Cross. The Cross is POWER against evil.

@viviennebaptiste

5 жыл бұрын

Tony To Troll 101 I am new to Orthodoxy. All of this Is confusing. If both Oriental and Eastern believe in the Jesus, and his two natures, what’s the fight about? If everything else is the same, then what is the big deal?

@Zeeks-vp7tf

4 жыл бұрын

you are misinformed my friend and the answer you were given was not clear, The act of "Placing the cross on oneself" is a request for a blessing from God. We make if from right to left to mirror the actions of the priest when he blesses us. The priest, looking at the parishioners, blesses from left to right. Therefore, the parishioners, putting on the sign of the cross on themselves, do it from right to left.

In addition, the Bible doesn't speak two nature separated as God become Human.For example, Jesus says "If you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you inherit the kingdom of God." Is it the human nature who says this or the God nature.The answer is Jesus Christ(the two nature become one).not drama where God nature speak now and human nature speak another time.

@dawitseleshi7752

7 жыл бұрын

what are you talking about this is Sunday school staff no one deny that truth we are talking about something more beyond what you are saying .

Is Russian Orthodox Church (under Moscow Patriarch) in full communion with Constantinople patriarch?

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

6 жыл бұрын

TheGuardian yes

@StoleBearer

3 жыл бұрын

This comment aged well.

That is interesting!! You didn't mention Ethiopian orthodox tewahdo church. You need to read about Ethiopian orthodox, thank you!

@someguy9571

3 жыл бұрын

9:44 The Ethiopian Church is part of the Oriental Orthodox communion.

Do you think we are 99% the same

In rejecting the Council of Chalcedon, the Catholic and Apostolic Church not only rejected the heresy Dyophysitism, but also the hegemony of Byzantium. The Oriental Churches do not encroach upon one another, we have no patriarch above the rest. In the end Constantinople collapsed, and with it its hegemony. Yet Oriental Orthodoxy stands in its original form.

@NoeticInsight

3 жыл бұрын

EO has evangelized other nations, OO has done almost ZERO evangelism. Indian Orthodox also use keyboards and synth music in their liturgy, Armenians do animal sacrifices...that alone makes me trust EO is the true Church. I do think Copts and Ethiopians are Orthodox though, just sadly in Schism.

@arthursirkejyan9607

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoeticInsight The Armenian Church does not do animal sacrifice. We practice matagh, an offering of alms meant to show gratitude to God. The Eastern Orthodox can't even stop bickering amongst themselves, not to mention to mutual slaughter between them and the Catholics.

@GeoBBB123

2 жыл бұрын

Constantinople collapsed as the physical capital of the Empire ... but the Church did not.

I watched the video, and it is still unclear to me what exactly needs to happen before full communion is possible. How does the healing happen?

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

4 жыл бұрын

Sometimes it just takes some time.

@Theo-hb2cb

2 жыл бұрын

@@BeTransfiguredMinistries are we any closer to reunification?

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

2 жыл бұрын

@@Theo-hb2cb I must as a man of faith always have hope that the Church will reunite for God's glory

I found it strange to hear Father saying the oriental orthodox church didn't accept Jesus Christ as having dual nature, contending that the oriental churches do not accept that it's possible for God to be born of a human. However, me being brought up in the Ethiopian Orthodox church(oriental), I was taught and still believe in the notion of Dyophysitism or the concept Jesus Christ with a dual nature- divine and human- unified in one person. So, we say Our Lady St. Mary conceived and gave birth to Christ, God incarnate and thus we call her Theotokos.

@viviennebaptiste

5 жыл бұрын

Hailemariam Alaye Troll 101 I am new to Orthodoxy. All of this Is confusing. If both Oriental and Eastern believe in the Jesus, and his two natures, what’s the fight about? If everything else is the same, then what is the big deal?

we are all ORTHODOX, we are one, so lets end with separations

Direct creationism, is the belief that God created us or our soul with or without the help of procreation.

so new thing about the discussion?

Very good sermon Father, I'm a Catholic from India and i think time has come for Orientals, Orthodox and Catholics to leave behind their differences, come to the common ground and unite to counter a bigger threat, I***M.

@MRHenHen

4 жыл бұрын

Naman Gupta 👍👍👍👍

There are now fifteen Eastern Orthodox churches. The latest canonical addition is the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. And as a result, there is now a split in the Eastern Orthodox Church when the Patriarch of Russia excommunicated the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople

The Orthodox Church in China is also Eastern Orthodox Church.

the first schism was not in 451 but with Ephesus counsil over christotokos and Theotokos, which lead to the Assyrian Church of the East. Nestorious himself proved to not belong to the nestorian heresy he was accused of. he proposed christotokos to combat the Aryan heresy. Anyways, I'm sure you didn't mention it because of brevity, but it's flat out incorrect to say Chalcedon was the first schism. The Assyrian Church is our second closest family member after the Orientals.

Amen.

14:00 Is that not what Christ asks of us?

@felobatirmoheb4884

4 ай бұрын

Exactly

Reunification is not possible unless Orientals renounce their errors and accept Orthodox doctrines. Any attempt to re-unite the two improperly will produce schism within the Orthodoxy where those who can not accept union with the falsehood will have to separate themselves from those who sadly can.

@johnnyd2383

3 жыл бұрын

@Sánchez Machado To this I can only respond that, from the traditional perspective of the Orthodox Church, you are monophysite. This is how the Orthodox Church has always viewed the Coptic Church. In other words, to us your "miaphysitism" is essentially "monophysitism". Moreover, you have been wrongly led to believe - whether by your own teachers or by Orthodox ecumenists - that the Orthodox Church has been mistaken, and that there's no reason for Coptic Christians to leave their church and be reconciled with Orthodox. Some Orthodox clergy and teachers will agree with you, but I am persuaded by the Saints and teachers whose writings are listed below. I believe they represent the true teaching of the Orthodox Church. Source: orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/ea_mono.aspx

United Orthodox tewahdo!!! Love It. From Ethiopia.

I am a ethiopian or oriential orthodox but father you were wrong we also believe in a definite human and definite God in one body called jesus means we r same

I was born to parents who were part of the Oriental church. Father from Malankara Orthodox Church and mother from the Marthoma Church which is closer to the Reformed faith. I personally follow the Protestant Reformed movement. I have a lot of respect for the Orthodox Church but I feel the priest here took a little more liberty with the Protestants than what is the reality. For us Reformed Protestants the Tri-Unity of God is as important as it is to the Orthodox Churches. It is not just "all about Jesus". In fact the Protestant movement takes the strongest and most vocal stand against JWs, the Unitarians, The United Pentecostals et al. The one place where the Evangelical churches are behind is in repeatedly affirming the Triunity of the Blessed Godhead in our regular Worship services as the Orthodox Churches do. But please do not misunderstand and call us "It is all about Jesus" groups.

@thehandofjibreel8756

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. We don't go about chanting the Trinity. We believe in it and just move on to the most important work of risking our lives winning souls for Christ Jesus while the Orthodoxes are sitting down on "rich history" looking down on us. It's interesting that Protestants are the ones doing most of the hard work of defending the Trinity and the ontology of Christ in modern debates against Muslims, Atheists, and other heretic Christian groups.

@hailemariammitiku6132

4 жыл бұрын

The Hand Of Jibreel I do agree with you on the point that the Orthodox Church is lagging in doing apologetics and evangelization work. But have you thought about that what you have believed, you may have had it wrong all along? Think of Paul who knew everything word for word but on that Road to Damascus, he received a new revelation of what he had known before. That’s what orthodoxy offers up, the true teaching. - Let’s also not mistake calling out heretic teachings on the Protestant side as a ridicule by the Orthodox Church, for it’s very existence is to iron out kinks in the teaching of Our Lord. - The role of the Orthodox Church has been limited in large due to the attacks it’s been under for so long; notice they’re the minority compared to Catholics and Protestants. But they’re always on the quest to save souls in home countries and now efforts globally have been revived.

greetings from Indian orthodox church.

are you trying to soften the heresy and question the eccumenical holy councils and the history of 1500or 2000 years of discussions and and convencing the heritics to leave their herisies

how about Phyletism in the church?

@BeTransfiguredMinistries

6 жыл бұрын

This video has nothing to do with Phyletism

@helinadeere7712

5 жыл бұрын

Jazz Jazzman show the edge television broadcast

Father, you said British Orthodox Church is in the Oriental Orthodox Church. That is not true the Oriental Orthodox churches include: Coptic, Armenian, Syriac, Ethiopian, & Malankara.

@benkunjackz4642

7 жыл бұрын

Jeryl Sajumon British Orthodox Church is a part of Coptic church with some power

@dawitseleshi7752

7 жыл бұрын

i need some more information on "the British orthodox church" who are they

@marcosmansour7599

7 жыл бұрын

The British orthodox have left the oriental orthodox church and they are neither in communion with the eastern or the orientals, i think they are considered heretics now.

@artdanks

7 жыл бұрын

Jeryl Sajumon - I think perhaps he may have meant the "Celtic Orthodox Church", which is in England, but in Communion with the Coptic Church.

@mackjeez

6 жыл бұрын

The British Orthodox Church came under the jurisdiction of the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate in 1994 but became independent in 2015, it is still part of Oriental Orthodox Christianity but not part of the Coptic Patriarchate, get it now?

Sad really when the division is meaningless, mostly semantics and language.