silly man - the two people are having a conversation and it's rude to kill people right in the middle of a conversation.

@lindybeige

10 жыл бұрын

Fair point. I should have mentioned that.

@yogsothoth7594

9 жыл бұрын

Lindybeige I quite agree when your two faces are about a meter apart and he is trying to insult you evilly it's not very nice to use the large metal object on your head to break his nose then bring your steel encased knee sharply into his nut then cut his throat. The aim of being in a fight is to kill the other person whilst taking minimum injury your self, no part of that involves being nice.

@saltypork101

8 жыл бұрын

+Anacronian Excellent moment in a roleplaying game: We find ourselves in a battlefield scenario. Another character manages to force an enemy to surrender, and the player cuts him down anyway. Seeing this, my character is enraged, and begins to chide the killer viciously. The other player defends his actions (in character) and we begin to argue. DM: A viking berserker is charging you, his battleaxe held aloft. Me (to viking): DO YOU MIND? I AM TALKING! DM (as viking): Fair enough. DM: The viking rests his axe upright, leans on it, and waits for you to finish your conversation. Me: Good. As I was saying, we don't kill prisoners. Ok? (turn to attack viking) Thanks for waiting. (stab viking through the heart) Sorry for keeping you. Dying viking: No problem.

@goldenpanda7004

8 жыл бұрын

+Flintlox Pommel Justice

@snorribm6076

7 жыл бұрын

@Anacronian "Lol", comedy, right there

lock swords, get in real close, and whisper "you smell nice" the enemy will be so confused you'll have an opportunity to stab them in the gooshy parts

@oz_jones

5 жыл бұрын

"you smell the same way when you sleep"

@PuddintameXYZ

5 жыл бұрын

**stabs badie in face** "But not any more!"

@jackcoleman5955

3 жыл бұрын

That is called the ‘Joe Biden’ maneuver in the classical literature.

@Kutchy7765

3 жыл бұрын

@@PuddintameXYZ swordsman generally dont go stabs and thrusts in the face, because if you are in the abillity to cut their face you could try just slashing they artery or just stab them on the underside of their chin, many possibilities, but attacking the face will just leave damage and not give you the win, and even to get that little bit of damage you have to slice or cut not stab or thrust so yeah i hope you get my point

I laughed out loud at the part about her having thick ankles!

@liptherapy

8 жыл бұрын

i thought he said angles

@vincur5361

8 жыл бұрын

T H I C C H I C C

@WalknTalknStevnHawkn

7 жыл бұрын

Heavenly_Astaroth Cremator the cigs are doing it 4 me

@MrWeAllAreOne

5 жыл бұрын

blockmasterscott cankles.

@Alpenjodler1

5 жыл бұрын

Well she does have thick ankles, though

"You could just go *Pfft* and stab him in the face." Lindybeige, 2014.

@nintendomusicchannel1317

5 жыл бұрын

Didn't Jaime Lannister do that to Jorry Cassel in Season 1?

@derek96720

5 жыл бұрын

@@nintendomusicchannel1317 that's why that scene is so great. We're so used to locking swords in film that Jamie using a dagger is a total surprise to the viewer.

@mradulchourasiya3868

3 жыл бұрын

@@derek96720 yeah but a few seconds after, jaime and ned was pushing each other with thier swords😂

'it's not dastardly, he's trying to kill you!' such logic is irrefutable. it's also why i often end up feeling sorry for the bad guy. he prepared his lines so well but nobody wants to admit that they're cool.

@anderstopansson

3 жыл бұрын

Hollywoods cultural marxism: the PC have to win against the nonPC, only the PC is good.

In the first season of Game of Thrones, when Ned and Jaime fight, Ned's man Jory tries to take on Jaime and gets killed for trying to do this, Jaime does exactly like you describe, lets Jory's sword meet his own and then takes out his knife and puts it through Jory's eye.

@maximomanzano9165

8 жыл бұрын

+Alexander Forbes it's like they are trying to tell us something..

@boiledelephant

8 жыл бұрын

+maximo manzano That Jaime's dangerously genre-savvy.

@randyronald

8 жыл бұрын

+Alexander Forbes Yes but then moments later Jamie and Ned get locked in the struggle of pushing swords so we can see their impressive grimaces.

@thelurkingpanda3605

8 жыл бұрын

came her to say that. The same thing happens moments later

@darkphoenix2

8 жыл бұрын

That was really just a parry, Jory didn't even have time to try to push

"Pushing swords" sounds like a game frat boys might play with each other.

@issadraco3517

8 жыл бұрын

I just imagined that oh god no... please no...

@aaronseet2738

7 жыл бұрын

Sam Adams The one with the stiffer sword wins?

@samadams1988

7 жыл бұрын

Aaron Seet brilliant! let the games begin.

@ez-xp6ff

6 жыл бұрын

Loras and Renly

@adrenochromejunkie

6 жыл бұрын

FraternityX. ;^)

Lindybeige confirmed ankle hater

@azn3000

10 жыл бұрын

I see you on Mega64 videos and now Lindy's? Man, you are everywhere.

@hamfranky

9 жыл бұрын

***** Mega64 and Lindybeige awwww yes.

@adrenochromejunkie

8 жыл бұрын

***** Not to mention Cr1TiKaL's videos.

@sockondik12

5 жыл бұрын

cankle hater*

@samgarcia4624

4 жыл бұрын

Anti foot fetish

Heh, love the comment about using the dagger. "It's not dastardly! He's trying to kill you!"

dude i lost my shit when you said, "i never liked her anyways, shes got thick ankles" it was so good man

Everytime I watch this I want to see a movie with Loyd as the hero and it's just him defeating villains by debunking things like this

Still not as bad as swords going trough armor like it was carboard! Hey lets put on this 20-50kg armor that weighs me down, when aperantly a cheap t-shirt gives the same protection.

@michaelmayne6097

7 жыл бұрын

Gunfreak19 if you're a main character it does

@2lazyt378

5 жыл бұрын

@Zachary Demary often time its just a super "special" sword that wa sdesoghned by some long dead person to wash what ever kind of evil stain that has washed up on the windshield of the story this time.

@TheRiskyBrothers

3 жыл бұрын

(Lord of the rings movies intensifies) My favorite films, but Faramir does have an arrow go right through his breastplate.

@henryrobinson9701

3 жыл бұрын

Berserk.

It would be odd if you grabbed your knife and your enemy grabs his too at the same time

@rmg480

7 жыл бұрын

what if then they make a double engage with pushing both the sword and the dagger?

@Annathroy

7 жыл бұрын

Rich M then one must unscrew the pommel and them rightly. Such was combat since forever.

@rmg480

7 жыл бұрын

and what if they both do the same and both their pommels clash when thrown at the respective enemy?

@rmg480

7 жыл бұрын

but does it explode rightly? #'Disdarealquestions

they always have thick ankles, women these days...

@abk4202020

5 жыл бұрын

Just the sjws

does this count for lightsabers too?

@Wittle_Boyo

8 жыл бұрын

+AJF Studios Lightsabers tend to lock because when the blades contact their plasma fields lock into each other. Thinking of putting two open scissors together so generally pushing through or pulling back are the only real options for the blade. A lightshoto/dagger or the force would be another option.

@Wittle_Boyo

8 жыл бұрын

+AJF Studios Lightsabers tend to lock because when the blades contact their plasma fields lock into each other. Thinking of putting two open scissors together so generally pushing through or pulling back are the only real options for the blade. A lightshoto/dagger or the force would be another option.

@AJFStudios

8 жыл бұрын

+Sean De Guzman thanks, but I was kidding :)

@a8lg6p

8 жыл бұрын

+AJF Studios Well you obviously can't grab a lightsaber by the blade. It would melt your hand. I'm assuming. Although to what extent to which it cuts through a given substance like a hot knife through butter seems to depend on the dramatic needs of the scene in question...

@AJFStudios

8 жыл бұрын

+a8lg6p well duh :p, but if you hold it by the hilt and push it against another saber, it would work

I love the lego man shouting at the end of each video, I don't know why, they combination of the music and his accent, the randomness.. haha ;)

Have you ever thought of getting together with some other youtubers/re-en-actors to put together some very short, historically accurate battle sequences? It would be interesting to see the result of some martial artists, historians and archaeologists choreographing some scenes.

Omg, I was looking for something to help me with a sword fighting scene in my novel and I'm so glad you have this video! I couldn't figure out what they would do after being in the locked-sword position. Thank you for this video.

Surprisingly enough this technique does have certain use in very particular and niche circumstances. When fencing épée or foil getting impolitely close and forcing a guard lock is a very effective way of controlling the movement of an opponent more skilled but weaker than yourself, since they can't pass behind you and you've forced them too close to use the tip on a target area it means you can jostle and twist their arm to throw them off balance then quickly do a retreating lunge to try to get a hit in before they can recover to parry. This tactic is rather frowned on though. That of course is a sporting application with little parallel in a combat situation.

Once I decided I wanted to write an combat scene that was realistic. Then I realized it was dreadfully boring when swords couldn't touch each other in a rugby contest so I scrapped that idea.

@TheGreatGodPan

10 жыл бұрын

writing duels and jousts would still be fun, sword are a last resort, for thousands of years we relied on our spears...a spear has reach so immediately has the advantage. The same was probably true for samurai as well.

@nukeclears

10 жыл бұрын

Game of Thrones has some more "realistic" sword fights.

@BrutusAlbion

10 жыл бұрын

nukeclears What do you think I watch? >.>

@nukeclears

10 жыл бұрын

BrutusAlbion This video. _badum tish_

@apugalypse_now

10 жыл бұрын

nukeclears _Game of Thrones_ has very defensible (and, in my opinion, stylish) armor designs, but the fight scenes.....ehhhhh.

I usually associate this troupe with star wars, in which it at least kind of makes sense. I don't know if lightsabers properly pivot off one another, but in any event if you were to win the battle of strength all you'd have to do is touch your foe slightly and you'd slice all the way through.

It's kind of like why Tuco surreptitiously shot that one-armed bounty hunter who thought he had him cornered in a tub. "When you have to shoot, shoot--don't talk." Now apply that to stabbing and there you go.

@ergbudster3333

8 жыл бұрын

I hope you said that with the appropriate Mexican Bandit accent as per the old joke "Do I know Pancho Sartuches?"

Love that sound at 3:12

@HeartDigger9

7 жыл бұрын

Elias H. try listening to it 10 times in a row

Lloyd always looks like a child having too much fun playing around with his toys

Unless it's a lightsaber fight, in which case it may be effective.

@firepower7017

7 жыл бұрын

SF Alba still kick them in the balls it works but if it is a woman well it may not be effective but you can do is make her trip by force push

It's called "locking swords" which should make it clear what the trope is meant to signify.

I like the idea of a fart noise whenever someone gets stabbed on the face with a dagger

"I never liked her anyways. She's got thick ankles"- _lindeybeige, 2014_

I've done this in a sparing match and just pivoted, it totally works.

Dagger using is smart and for some reason Hollywood doesn't like fighting smart.

Always bothered me too. Even when I was a kid... Never fully understood why though, it just felt wrong and looked awkward. Thanks for clarifying, good sir.

You're great Lindybeige! Your videos always bring joy to my day and a smile to my face.

You should do more videos focusing on movie cliches. I especially liked the "archery in Helen of Troy" and the whole "Ironclad" series.

I am not passionate about swords and weapons in general but I still find your videos very interesting and I keep watching and enjoying them!

NINE YEARS LATER and this madlad still got me at "She's got thick ankles!"

Always fun watching you discussing something like that^^

I think the lightsaber fight in the first Star Wars film with Alec Guinness was a good use of tactics and dialogue because it was done in Kendo style. The two opponents feel each other out as they talk then they attack, pull back, and repeat. When they push on each other, it's less of a push and more looking for an opening. The prequels though took this style of fighting and hammed it up with improbable (even in its own universe) movements that would have got the fighter killed a dozen times over --- and the kenobi flip over Maul.....ugh!

To be fair, the pushing occasionally happens with one person backed against a cliff. So I guess it has a purpose in that case.

You make an absolutely wonderful point! I've always had a voice in my head wondering why they did that in movies, it never made sense to me until I learned a great deal more about swords and also photography/videography and then it made much more sense that Hollywood would want to use it for their gain and real fighters would just laugh at a standstill like that.

If you're not honorable, you could even kick someone quite painfully in the knee and make them fall down.

Uuuugghh, thanks for making this. Definitely something that always gets on my nerves, so its satisfying to hear someone else say it.

i just love these quotes at the end!

I freaking love the lego man at the end XD. LINDYBEIGE!!!.

“She’s got thicc ankles”

laughed so hard... "you just go *pplrbb* and stab him in the face"

As an archaeology student with a twisted bent and a silly side, I think I can at last safely declare you my favorite youtuber.

3:10 is an epic gamer moment

It's also a nice, symbolic moment. Good filmmaking is all about using the language of cinema to tell a story, and the scenario you describe is a wonderful visual representation of the struggle between these characters, and usually the ideologies they represent. In films like star wars, for instance, it can represent the two forces pushing against each other. The symmetry of the positions of the combatants shows that the forces are equally matched. The frame of the camera focusing on them emphesises the importance of the struggle... But yes, I can't imagine ever actually doing it if my life depended on it

Everybody loves your combat/movie stuff because you say what we are all thinking and you (somewhat at least) validate our thoughts. We love you, bro lol

The "dastardly dagger" from the clinch is of course from Basil Rathbone's legendary fight with Errol Flynn in "Robin Hood." The duel from which a million swordplay clichés were born. Although I think in that film they justify it by having both actors have a hand on the other actor's blade. All the thought and care that went into the choreography for that fight was dropped in later, paler Hollywood adaptations.

For some reason every time I watch your videos I keep thinking of Monty Python

I love that (relatively)new outro :D

the bady sounds like a good guy and the good guy sounds like a bady

I imagine when Lindy comes up with the ideas for these vids he's in his living room swinging around his sword and acting out scenes in movies by himself.

Allow the baddie to push past you by using your cross guard to to protect yourself as you redirect his energy down your blade and past your body. Do this by letting your blade fall back past the top of your shoulder and using the cross guard to help guide his force back towards your blade point. once he slips past you, volta (turn) or rotate your blade for a Fendente Cupli from Posta Di Donna (a strike made from sword over right shoulder going from "teeth to knee" or from crook of shoulder to hip of opponent.) Good observation and points made here from you. Always love your scholarly thought processes and enthusiasm.

"Do not interrupt the enemy when they're making a mistake, it's rude" I feel as though that applied a little too well, so neither one nor the other wished to interrupt.

Oh, shite, I have watch so many Lindybeige vids that I feel that I must subscribe. Carry on, nothing here, carry on.

It's not dastardly! He's trying to kill you!

I feel like a movie made by somone who actually takes lindybeige's advice would be incredebly original and entertaining.

Being close and pushing swords together when combatants are armored is is a whole different story

This is actually part of Kendo, the Japanese sword art, but it isn't meant to be an extended contact like the movies. You make contact, push back against your opponent and strike for the head or side as you jump back out of his strike.

@Dizzykitty817

7 жыл бұрын

I came here to say this. Similar to boxers hugging, this is done in kendo to cancel all momentum and "reset" the match. And like boxing, puts both people in an equal position to end the match in an instant. The high stakes nature causes sword locks to linger a few seconds as the two swordsmen read, intimidate, and bait each other. In other words, everything LindyBeige said is true, however he isn't considering that each swordsman might be standing there trying to read what one of the few "next moves" the other guy is going to do and a viable counter strategy.Or perhaps two guys naturally coming to a neutral position momentarily to catch their breath. You see that quite a bit in boxing actually. However, we can all agree no one is going to push to edges together with all their might causing sparks and whatnot thats displayed in movies.

@JonathanBennettKorea

7 жыл бұрын

olaolapepsiman kendo is a short built on the sword manuals of Japanese samurai schools. so, yes, it's a sport, just like boxing, MMA, fencing, wrestling, judo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu...

@Dizzykitty817

7 жыл бұрын

olaolapepsiman you are right. Real Japanese swordsman utilize spirit bombs and all 7 chakra gates.

@AnakinSkyobiliviator

7 жыл бұрын

Which is sort if ironic considering katana so isn't very good to receive/lock blades.

@Dizzykitty817

7 жыл бұрын

olaolapepsiman As someone who practiced kendo, there is enough in there to be "useful" in a "real" situation. The problem a lot of people seem to have, which is what this video is about,been too enchanted by most of the fancy sword stuff you see in movies; it's just not efficient enough. Kendo teaches you the most efficient way to end a sword fight. A lightning fast strike to the wrist, abdomen, head and sometimes neck. However, saying something is good in a "real" situation is just silly.

The point you made at 3:13 is what I was trying to explain to a person who thought that Jaime's move in GoT season 1 when he fought Jory was "playing dirty"

What the camera usually doesn't catch is that both combatants are unscrewing pommels on their swords to throw them at each other.

In many movies where two people are fist fighting, they tend to not actually fight. Often the villain who has much greater strength will simply throw the hero around the room, smashing him in to walls and through doors and into anything that will shatter in to thousands of little pieces. And it's is always super ineffective.

An episode of Highlander ("For Tomorrow We Die") had an interesting scene that (to my untrained eye at least) looked like a far more plausible alternative to the infamous "pushing swords." At one point in the climatic duel Duncan seizes Xavier's wrist and Xavier seizes Duncan's wrist. They then struggle for a bit, moving around, trying to get leverage etc. before disengaging. I'm no historian but it seemed like a good compromise between dramatic and semi-plausible.

Lindy "a point about" Beige

waaaait a minute.... did you just... dual wield?

Even if you didn't have a dagger I would imagine you could still kick or knee your opponent at that range.

Better yet, take it to the next level. Push your swords against each other, and then pull your daggers out and push THOSE against each other. Surely that would be twice as good!

I think about this quite often. Thank you for making a video about it. Hopefully Hollywood guys will see this and feel sad.

I want to see a movie that is the culmination of all these things happening and then we're anticlimactically and unceremoniously shown what would have really happened. The hero would be making all the bad guys look like fools. Lindybeige needs a cameo as the guy who runs out and say, "Oi you twit, did you just cut my rope? That was a good bit of rope what's wrong with you?!"

don't forget that the swords sparkle! (during those scenes; sometimes)

Another day made better with the witty, sharp humor of Lindybeige.

0:37 "Too bad for you that I'm gay!" And the villain is caught so off guard that he gives in and is slain immediately

I remember a videogame where you could do this. Both players would then have to push a button rapidly in a short time, whoever mashed the most would win the struggle and stagger the other player leaving him open for attack.

Loved the 'stab him in the face' part, and the sound effects to! XD You could also shove one of the quillons on the cross-guard of the sword into the other guy's face at this distance: not very pleasant...

It's almost like the collar and elbow lock in professional wrestling. Dramatic and doesn't really do much.

I fenced for a while in College. Practically the first thing the fencing coach told us was that what they do in the movies is not fencing, it is merely choreography.

The more I watch you and shadiversity. The more i realize I’d be a horrible knight. Here I am wanting to be an honorable knight and... Dagger to the face!

I think it only really works if you're using some kind of energy blade, like a lightsaber or another such beam sword. Not only does it make the whole "well, I could push the rest of the blade with my hand" notion too risky as you'll burn yourself, and at least Star Wars uses the notion that the lightsaber blades locking together so they don't slide around.

@DanielLCarrier

10 жыл бұрын

You could still rotate the blade like that. It would be harder, since you only have a tiny handle, but you don't need a lot of torque to push a lightsaber through flesh.

@kimarous

10 жыл бұрын

Daniel Carrier Rotate it how? The concept of the black lock is that the blades are, well, locked together and can only change position after being pulled apart.

@madichelp0

10 жыл бұрын

You can still rotate the blades if they're locked at a point. Just steer his force to your right and you'll have an easy time cutting him from the left.

@DanielLCarrier

10 жыл бұрын

I expected it was supposed to be like having a lot of friction, but you could still roll it. Even if it's not, if you rotate along the axis of the other guy's saber, they won't be ably to put enough torque on it to stop you.

@evilassaultweaponeer

10 жыл бұрын

Let's also remember the sabers in Spaceballs, which become severely entwined and impossible to move in this situation. :P

The big ankles part... and then I had to stop.

"... she's got thick ankles..." Lloyd strikes again.

Those thick ankles.. mmmm

I freaking love this guy.

Oh no. No sword-fighting for me.

Now I really, really want to see a sword fight that shows us someone getting out of the "pushing swords"-situation in the way you describe... it would be awesome!

I've always wondered what the point of the "sword pushing" move was. But I really like your explanation, which is that it's great for so many aspects of film making. Interesting point lol.

In Japanese Iai and Ken, they do this, just not to the extreme of the movies. They would also instead of having blades touching would have the contact on the handles. It is also something they tell you to avoid, for we also learn all the counters. Great video again keep it up, I love your channel!

My thinking exactly! With one catch: if we get past the Hollywood version, high speed weapon impact does mean that sometimes a weapon will be dropped, resulting in the "disarming" mentioned in other vids. A very far cry from the drawn out hollywood version, but short-term high speed impact can absolutely result in knocking someone over and causing them to lose their weapon, though in the only case I have had that happen in a LARP session it wasn't the intention of either party to disarm the other, but a side-effect of me charging in from behind during a free-for-all. When he realized I was coming at him he tried not to block, but to counter-attack (he had an overwhelmingly offensive strategy), both weapons hit at high speed. I intentionally let go of my weapon to avoid muscle strain and/or what actually happened to him (knocked down and disarmed). Of course, being that this was FFA it wasn't hard for both of us to get finished off at that point, but I did successfully run about 10 paces and retrieve my weapon, though I was out of position when I did so. He, on the other hand, was eliminated before he could get up off the floor. Point being, "pushing" in a literal sense will happen any time two weapons come into contact, and at high speed can possibly disarm one or both participants. This of course is a quick and powerful hit rather than the long, drawnout armwrestle that he is referring to in the video, and I doubt anyone would disagree with this point.

"it's not dastardly HE'S TRYING TO KILL YOU."

Jaime knifing jory in the face for example, a fine example of what you describe. Excellent lego-beige btw.

Watch this Kendo championships, you'll see lots of pushing: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k2yqmZuooc-YcpM.html

This guy has a special sense of humor; i love it.

One of your best videos, in this one you reminded me a lot to Matt Smith in Doctor Who.

"Jus stab 'em the face!" Can we get lindybiege T- shirts with that on it? Id buy

The old "lightsaber physics applied to steel blades" strikes back lol.

thick ankles earned you a sub

I lose it everytime he makes the fary noises in his videos LOL

"I've never really liked her anyway. She's got thick ankles." Brilliant.

@winstonmiller9649

3 жыл бұрын

Making a comment about fat ankles is bound to distract the villain and make him think twice about his dastardly intentions towards the hero's girlfriend

I always figured one of the best courses of action would be to bring my own blade over my head so I could boop his nose quite heard with the pommel, not so much because it would kill but because a blow to the nose is quite disorienting, and would leave him blurry eyed, in pain, and wide open