Proto Baltio Slavic sounds like Lithuanian spoken with the Russian accent , Proto Slavic sounds like some rare Polish dialect.

@SB-fw3yr

8 ай бұрын

Yeah

@Badookum

3 ай бұрын

Imo it sounds more like Bulgarian, not just because the words are the most similar but because some south Bulgarian dialects share the Polish/Proto-Slavic nasals sounds. Even Czech has ą (ou).

@cheerful_crop_circle

Ай бұрын

​@@Badookum 😂

@wiqu10

Ай бұрын

Fact

@wiqu10

Ай бұрын

​@@Badookum Yeah they do like in word mną/mnou but they usually change it to u

The Proto-Balto-Slavic reader sounds quite epic to be frank.

As a Lithuanian, the Proto-Slavic is unfortunately, though not unexpectadly, incomprehensible. Proto-Balto-Slavic on the other hand, a lot of the nouns and even a few verbs are sort of recognisable, but not enough to understand the sentences. But if I read the English above, it all makes sense. Very interesting and nice to see these two proto languages on this channel!

@adnk

8 ай бұрын

It's because here is demonstrated the Common Slavic, the late version of Proto-Slavic, the early Proto-Slavic language is more understandable for baltics.

@martinpavlicek2299

5 ай бұрын

To me as a Czech it is the exact opposite.

@CVery45

3 ай бұрын

@@adnkwhere can I find old variant?

@Gorilatar

2 ай бұрын

@@CVery45 early proto slavic: *atiku = "father", *moti = "mother", *kelavaiku = "man", *ei = "and", *gena = "woman", *buvatei, *butei = "to be", *puvi, *puvu = "drink", *asi = "axis", *ząbu = "tooth", *ba = late proto slavic *bo, *oje = "egg", *ez esmi = "I am", *tu esi = "you are", *ji esti = "he is", *ge, *ga = late proto slavic *že, *go, *supnu = "dream"...

@Gorilatar

2 ай бұрын

@@CVery45 *dermitei = "to sleep", *eitei = "to go", *rektei = "to say", *pestei = "to walk", *postei = "to fall", *leitei = "for water or rain to fall"...

As a Polish person I understood the tale about the horse and sheep in Proto-Slavic but not Proto-Balto-Slavic. Here's a translation: Owca, jaka bez wełny jest, konie widzi: jeden ciężki wóz ciągnął, jeden wielkie brzemię, jeden człowieka nosił bardzo (bardzo in this context is a semantic archaism). Owca koniu rzecze: "serce moje boli, widzieć że konie wozi człowiek". Konie rzekły: "słuchaj, owco! Serca nasze bolą kiedy widzimy męża [another archaism, mężczyzna would be used today], gospodę, z owczej wełny sobie ciepłą odzież (there is no polish equivalent for drabъ) tworzy, a owca bez wełny jest." To słysząc, owca na pole pobiegła.

So as here. Slavic speaker has very strong modern West Slavic accent

For some reason, the speaker omits most of the reduced vowels (ъ and ь) in the Proto-Slavic language, although at that time (Middle Proto-Slavic) they had not yet undergone strong reduction (in East Slavic dialects the fall of the reduced vowels occurs around the 12th-14th centuries). For example, *dъva and *šestь are more like /dʊ'wɑ/ and /'ʃɛ.stɪ/ rather than /dvɑ/ and /ʃɛstʲ/.

@FINALASTXTN

8 ай бұрын

I've also noticed he pronouce many other vowels wrong, such pronoucing the nasals as a dipthong or palatalizing the consonants before "ě". Words like mǫžь, tęžьkъ, viděti which should be /ˈmɔ̃ː.ʒɪ/ /ˈtɛ̃ː.ʒɪ.kɯ/ /ˈʋiː.dɛː.tɪ/ are pronouced as /mow̃ʒ/ /tɛw̃ʒʲk/ /vɪˈdʲeː.tɪ/

@alexandermarkov300

8 ай бұрын

Most likely, they had not yet been reduced in real Proto-Slavic, and the second and third palatylizations did not exist in Proto-Slavic.

@alexandermarkov300

7 ай бұрын

By the way, in Russia there is the so-called chomovoje penije (singing), which has been preserved mostly among the Old Believers (in the XVII century the Church began to struggle with it). This is church singing with the utterance of reduced vowels, the texts of which were composed before their fall.

@erichamilton3373

7 ай бұрын

I think that speaker was Polish...he had a Polish accent.

@user-ig6zl6fw5d

7 ай бұрын

Do ъ and ь pronounce how [ɤ̆] and [ɪ̆]?

Do a video comparing Polish and Serbo-Croatian: the biggest representatives of West and South Slavic, respectively

@DimitarBerberu

8 ай бұрын

Any language is representative in different way. Russian is the most representative/influential. Macedonian is the origin of literacy (borrowed by Turkic Bulgar kingdom)

@johnplays9654

Ай бұрын

​@@DimitarBerberu Macedonian is Bulgarian which is slavic. Turks were in Bulgaria 1300 years ago. And they went extinct like 200 years after that.

I am Polish and this Proto-Slavic language sounds like a dialect of Polish, I understand 98%

@PolishSound

8 ай бұрын

Zapraszam do posłuchania średniopolskiego i gwar.

@ctiradperunovic

8 ай бұрын

Because this Proto-Slavic language speaker speaks with a very strong Polish accent and pronounces words in Polish way, not as it should be and he also absolutely doesn't respect the presence of the "ь" sign, which largely determine the accent of words. If he spoke the way linguists assume Proto-Slavic sounded, you would understand it much less I suppose.

@svyatoslavrurikovich8831

8 ай бұрын

Proto-Slavic only diverged very recently compared to other Indo-European language families, and its daughter languages remained quite conservative to this day. That is why there is still a high degree of mutual intelligibility among all Slavic languages.

@CrysolasChymera2117

8 ай бұрын

Polish is considered a conservative language as far as I know

@PolishSound

8 ай бұрын

@@CrysolasChymera2117Tell me, Which texts do you want in film about middle Polish? Gospel od John about Love od God, poems of Jan Kochanowski? Genesis od Buble translator by Jacob Wujek?

Proto-Slavic has been pronounced incorrectly in these videos. At least because the short vowels ь and ъ should be pronounced as such and not just omitted

I don't know much about baltic and slavic languages but some linguists said that Proto slavic language developed from west baltic branch. Some linguists said that baltic and slavic branch are two completely different group of Indo European family. Baltic branch is one of the most archaic branch of PIE family. It's retained many PIE features that are not retained in many IE languages. Unlike slavic, Proto Baltic language were originally centum language along with Germanic and Celtic branchs. Some linguists said that Baltic branch are more closely related to germanic branch than slavic.

@pavlerunner

Ай бұрын

Tho the most accepted theory is the proto Balto-Slavic, and recently the centum-satem division has been proven to be not as relevant as previously thought. I as a speaker of Montenegrin recognize a lot of the core vocabulary words in the baltic languages that are shockingly similar, It fits just right in the puzzle, Slavic languages sound like completely palatalized Baltic ancestors. lots of Slavic nationalists seem to not like this idea that Slavic is basically broken Baltic and on the other side the Baltic nationalists seem to try dislike their relatedness to the Slavs. But Isn’t it cool that Slavic is actually an off-shoot of Baltic? We are all so related.

@CVery45

Ай бұрын

I, as a native speaker of the Slavic language, namely Russian, I am proud that we have an eastern Indo-European language related to satem languages, I do not want my language to be associated with Germanic languages ​​and Germans, they are not even outwardly pleasant, unlike the Slavs and more eastern ones peoples, it’s unpleasant for me even when some people from Africa, out of ignorance, ask me that I’m German, I immediately deny it and say that others see the difference

Thank you, Andy for use my recording. Greetings to everybody.

I only understood a few words from Proto-Balto Slavic, but nothing is clear, but I understood 98% of Proto-Slavic

As a russian speaker I can understand proto slavic better then polish or serbian.

@cheerful_crop_circle

Ай бұрын

Lol

@SlavicWomanRus

13 күн бұрын

Me too. I understood for the most part everything. It’s nice that our language hasn’t changed super drastically

I really love these videos! 😊

Oh God... You do it!!! Thank you from all Balto-Slavic! Боже... Ви зробили це! Спасибі вам від всіх Балто-Слов'ян!

@czmonja

8 ай бұрын

И финоугров😊

@jizhachok

6 ай бұрын

@@czmonja спасибо за солидарность.

Thank you As a speaker of the Slavic language, I can say that the last three lines could have been said in Proto-Slavic like this (approximately): and ovьca bez vьlny est" to zaslyshati -- ovca ubhegati na pole As I understand it, the restored translations use more frequent forms of words? As I understand it, in these languages there were synonyms that either became more frequently used or, on the contrary, less used.

@PolishSound

8 ай бұрын

or: ovica jeż v viln'e ne est uzerawa kon'e voz gruby(tangi) wezonte. Ovica kon'om vo(u)l(k)awa: serd trucha mei videntei monża kon'e gon'onte(go). Koń'e ovice vouawy: serd Turcja nom vident monż-gosPod vilne ovicom utinati sob'e na gore(nte) oblečeńe, a ovice v viln'e ne sont'. Tot ovica slušawšy z pola ub'egat'

@PolishSound

8 ай бұрын

vou(lk)ati, wyć jak wilk, wołk, łkać, wołać, in Polish. dhgmon, gmon, żmon - monż, gonić, biegać, trucha - truchleć, strach, as TRemendum(latin), rishati(indoiranian) drżeć, trząść się,

Another great comparison.

Proto Balto Slavic sounds like Sanskrit. I know some Sanskrit and I am able to pick out words like Ovis (Avis) meaning sheep, garmum westrom (Garamam Vasthram) meaning warm dress and the numbers are similar.

@pankoza2

3 ай бұрын

maybe Balto-Slavic and Indo-Iranian are sister branches after all?

@aadhithvarathan5432

3 ай бұрын

@@pankoza2 If I were a linguist, I would totally agree with that. Genetics also show both Balto-Slavic people and Indo-Iranian people having Y DNA Haplogroup R1a, as opposed to R1b in other Indo-European branches. Both branches are Satem in the Centum-Satem isogloss whereas English is Centum.

@DimaMuskind

2 ай бұрын

​@@aadhithvarathan5432hey, but isn't Balto-Slavic Centum (as in the video)? Anyway, Modern Slavic are Satem, Baltic are Centum, so did one branch changed after separation? Is this possible?

Briliant, I understood both languages almost fully; the proto-baltic sounds like a mix of slavic and latin and one can easily see all the roots and indo-european patterns.

I'm Czech, I understood Proto-Slavic well but Proto-Balto-Slavic was mostly incomprehensible.

@jingjong5675

7 ай бұрын

Proto-Balto-Slavic is mostly based on PIE and Baltic languages, even the speaker has a strong Lithuanian/Samogitian accent.

@holextv5595

6 ай бұрын

​@@jingjong5675he's polish the voice actor.

@jingjong5675

6 ай бұрын

@@holextv5595 ok sorry

@anetamikusova9293

3 ай бұрын

Same

Вау! Круто! Долго ждал видео на праславянском языке! В особенности прабалтославянского! Спасибо вам огромное!

What sound shifts took place between Proto-Balto-Slavic and Proto-Slavic?

whoa dude im croatian and i understood the proto slavic like 90%

Can't wait for Centum & Satem comparison vids.

Andy please make video for Banat-Bulgarian language(dialect) or Bessarabian Bulgarian dialect

i waited my entire life for this

just found my im also Prussian on my mom's side my grandpa's dad's parents my great great grandparents but my grandpa's ma came from from Prussia as well they came here right before Prussia went destoried n my great grandma on my mom's mom's side is Welsh n polish n Baltic-slavic is old Prussian

As a Bosnian I untertood everything and 95% of the words of Proto-Slavic. I'm verfy much interested to hear how other fellow Slavs are doing?

@FekligPeterburg

8 ай бұрын

I understood about 90% of the words, I speak only Russian

@trewerbig

8 ай бұрын

​@@FekligPeterburgжиза

@BudgetGainsByJJ

2 ай бұрын

I’m Slav Macedonian but I was born abroad so my knowledge of the language isn’t as strong as it could be, but I could understand maybe 80-85% of the proto-Slav language. What shocked me the most is how much it resembles Macedonian “village talk” by that I mean the dialect of my grandparents. Pozdrav brate! Da se bidish Ziv I Zdrav!

@CVery45

Ай бұрын

@@BudgetGainsByJJI understand your last sentence very well, you said “Да, ты будешь жив и здоров. I’m Russian

@BudgetGainsByJJ

Ай бұрын

@@CVery45 yes very similar wow! when I hear certain aspects of Russian or read it I can understand much of it and I have to mention, when I meet some Russians or watch videos of them (particularly rural Russians) the way they look and their gestures or mannerisms are strikingly similar to Balkan Slavs.

that feeling when you understand everything

What with proto-baltic?

spasibo bolshoe !!!

I’m a native Serbian speaker, and expectedly, Proto-Slavic is almost completely understandable (spoken slowly and with transliteration like it is here, although I’m still quite confident I would’ve understood most of it even without that). But PBS is just… weird. It’s almost an uncanny valley type of feeling listening to it, like I should be able to understand it, but I don’t. Every now and then a few words pop out- owis, wlna, ubhegat, etc- that, on the other hand, I instinctively recognize the meaning of, even if their Serbian forms are different to varying degrees. It’s a hell of an experience and to think my ancestors spoke like that thousands of years ago fills me with wonder.

Proto-Baltic and Proto-BS, please !!!

@TheTytan007

8 ай бұрын

Proto-BS might be the same thing as Proto-Baltic. The theory I've read somewhere is that Baltic languages evolved directly from northern Proto-BS dialects without any intermediate language

How about Proto-Slavic, Proto-Baltic, Proto-Iranian and Proto-Indo-Aryan compared?

I think that and enclitic suffix "and" word have been lost in Balto slavic languages. Other indo European language have this word.

is there a difference between Proto-Balto-Slavic and Proto-Baltic?

@DimaMuskind

2 ай бұрын

Proto-Balto-Slavic divided into Proto-Slavic and Proto-Baltic

5 and 6 6 exactly now a day's persian

Old French and Latin!

Epic.

Oh no no no, this is a total mess. 😞😞😞😞 This is nowhere near Balto-Slavic. In Proto-Balto-Slavic, you should 100000% have: - no syllabic resonants (like "wlna") - substituted with iR "diphthongs" - no aspirated stops - substituted with plain stops - no labialized k and g - merged with plain k and g - no short "o" - substituted with a short "a" - no palatalized "k" and "g" - substituted with affricates, not yet the slavic "s" and "z", as in "wozom" here - PIE "w" preserved as "w", and not changed to "v" - at least some sort of pitch accent (well, at least syllable-final laryngeals preserved as a glottal stop or at least some kind of glottalization) Plus, is there any evidence of reduplication actually being used in the verb paradigm in Balto-Slavic??? And the whole thing is so careless: the PIE horse rendered both as *ek'wos and *eśwos (btw, the word was actually probably feminine in PBS, like in modern Lithuanian). PIE root *bher- is *berom, and then *bheronts in the same sentence. One of the worst parts is the word for 4, "k'etur". I mean, the PIE word was *kʷetwóres, all or nearly all daughter languages (четыре, cztery, keturi etc. etc.) have preserved some traces of this -es at the end, but somehow the PBS protoform should end with a -r?! Same with the word for 3: PIE is *treyes, the Slavic descendants have an -e at the end, the Baltic languages even have a -s, but somehow the PBS form is just *tri.

@PolishSound

8 ай бұрын

I agree with you. Thanks for your analysis. Don't worry be happy it is just fun :) :) :) :)

@kezsut-online

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for not being angry with me :D just sharing emotions and what I know :)

@PolishSound

8 ай бұрын

@@kezsut-online You're right. I can only be grateful for constructive criticism, because it's also work on your part, thanks to which I have a free lesson :)

@Rasytojas1980

3 ай бұрын

Yes proto-balto-slavic would have been different

@oscarcalderon114

2 ай бұрын

I am working at a somewhat more archaic stage because I am creating a Thracian type language.

why does Indo-European sound like latin in all videos?

Nice video! But why is "man" *ź'monum and not *kelawaikas though?

@PolishSound

8 ай бұрын

IT similar to slavic "ziomek" "ziemianin", "ziemiec"

@PolishSound

8 ай бұрын

but Your proposition is interesting:) maybe better

@PolishSound

8 ай бұрын

"żmon" can be as "monż" man

@oscarcalderon114

2 ай бұрын

From indoeuropean *dhghmonōm "human being". (*dh > ź), Ancient Thracian: zemuōn "human being", related to Indoeuropean *dhei-gmon "land, soil".

Proto Slavic sounds like Polish speaking Balkan Slavic, especially SerboCroatian.

@cheerful_crop_circle

Ай бұрын

😂

okay what is before proto balto slavic, cool wayback machina videos

Im Bulgarian and i understood like 60% or 70% of proto slavic.

@cheerful_crop_circle

Ай бұрын

Lol

PBS sounds like Old Prussian and Proto-Slavic like Polish

@PolishSound

8 ай бұрын

Which texts do you want in film about middle Polish? Gospel od John about Love od God, poems of Jan Kochanowski? Genesis od Buble translator by Jacob Wujek?

@tarelochka_borscha

8 ай бұрын

maybe they sounds so, but as Russian, I understand Proto-Slavic about 30-40% and hardly understand PBS (~5% mb)

Преисполнился, пошёл пить медус!

Your pronunciation of Proto-slavic is wrong: letter ъ was pronounced as a short mid rounded vowel, while ь - short front vowel.

As a croat, I understood proto slavic 87%

Compare Serbian to Sanskrit and the history will be more clear, everything is written there

The Balto-Slavic looks to close to PIE with bh, w....

Both sound like Sanskrit

Why do you use Cyrillic orthography only for ProtoSlavic but you use IPA orthography for ProtoBaltoSlavic and other ProtoIndoEuropeans ?

@Deywos-zs2sq

8 ай бұрын

1) for Proto-Slavic can be used also breve Latin letters as ŭ, ĭ instead of Cyrillic ъ, ь 2) different linguists just can use some other graphy system

People who read cannot cope with very ancient prototypes, it's time to write complex programs and switch to machine simulation. I really like this masculine timbre of the voice of a reading Pole, there is so much epicness and testosterone in it, but the Polish pronunciation destroys the very idea of hearing an ancient prototype.

протослав попонятнее, конечно

Proto-Slavic sounds like Polish (I'm Russian)

@alexanderselin9997

6 ай бұрын

And (maybe) like Lusatian/Sorbian) Но я не настаиваю)

Прабалтославянский имеет какой-то русский акцент 😁

@domovishche6253

8 ай бұрын

Автор записи поляк по моему

@PolishSound

8 ай бұрын

@@domovishche6253 Nawet sam się przyznał że jest Polakiem:)

@bigboyman5743

8 ай бұрын

я так думал это латышкий акцент

Proto Slavic sounds like Polish person speaking Croatian

List of baltic languages:📄 vs list of slavic languages 📚📚📚📚📚📚

Interesting. PS has features similar to Latin. As a bosnian-speaker, I understood 95%.

It's weird, I think proto-slavic is wrong as I can understand it

And who made up this "proto-balto-slavic"? I do not believe there are any written sources and I'm quite sure - nobody speaks this language today 😅

@kozodoev

2 ай бұрын

Comparative linguistics, look it up.

Proto Slavic sounds like a mix of Polish and Ukrainian for me

@CVery45

Ай бұрын

Это абсолютно разные звуки если что, польский невозможно спутать с остальной славянской фонетикой.

@SlavicWomanRus

13 күн бұрын

Proto Slavic sounded like a bunch of Slavs trying to speak Russian

Прото-балто-славянский озвучил литовец, прото славянский - поляк. Если бы оба языка озвучил до пустим болгарин, то они были более похожи друг на друга и на русский

@PolishSound

5 ай бұрын

Lektor protobaltosłowiańskiego jest Polakiem i ma nawet kanał "Polish Sounds" 😂 Pozdrawiam serdecznie+

@druginys

5 ай бұрын

@@PolishSound Nefantazuok. Įgarsina lietuvis. Jūs slavai visai nejaučiate akcento

@PolishSound

5 ай бұрын

​@@druginys To przecież ja czytałem. To mój głos. Możesz porównać z głosem na kanale. To możliwe że nie czuję bałtyckiego akcentu, ale Ty twierdzisz, że kwestia czytana przeze mnie była czytana przez litwina, a ja Litwinem nie jestem i po litewsku nie mówię. Ale może Cię źle zrozumiałem. Pozdrawiam

@kozodoev

2 ай бұрын

@@PolishSound your channel is really cool, loved it!

@kozodoev

2 ай бұрын

The unnecessary passive aggression of certain people aside I find it absolutely fascinating I was able to read and understand everything that was said in this exchange. I'm only really fluent in Russian yet even Lithuanian felt strangely familiar. Remarkable.

these pronunciations are inadequate...

Proto slavic is just a western slavic?😅

They are not similar

Eto čto polskij jazyk , on mater vseh slavjanskih jazykov?

@jizhachok

8 ай бұрын

По произношению может и похож на польский язык, но не польский.

@dangotv4467

8 ай бұрын

Здесь сравнение прабалтославянского и праславянского языков. В праславянском носовые гласные были, и эта черта сейчас есть и в польском, и кашубском языках

@czarnypiotrus6975

8 ай бұрын

​@@jizhachokЯ поляк и этот старославянский звучит как диалект польского языка, я понимаю 98%

@FekligPeterburg

8 ай бұрын

@@czarnypiotrus6975 Я русский, но мне также показалось как будто это диалект русского языка, наши языки намного ближе чем думаем

@bloggermood

8 ай бұрын

@@czarnypiotrus6975 вот и я о том же , вы подтвердили мои догадки, и кстати люблю поляков они очень добрые и отзывчивые люди, вообще без негатива народ 😊

unpopular opinion but I don’t think Baltic and Slavic should be classified as separate groups, and the move to do so is more of a political movement. There are south, east, and west Slavs, the baltic peoples are the north Slavs.

@PolishSound

8 ай бұрын

there are also opposing opinions, that there was never a Balto-Slavic language, that in the era of close dialects, among the ancestors of the Balts and Slavs were the ancestors of the Indians and Iranians... Greetings :)

@SogoNotDrunk

8 ай бұрын

But as Slavs we literally can slightly understand each other, for example as a Russian I can understand Serbian, Bulgarian and even Polish if you know how to read it. But Latvian and Lithuanian? No way, we only can see some similar words f.e "gads" in Latvian is similar to "god" in Russian and means a year. But there is no mutually intelligible except this.

@Ilgas

8 ай бұрын

Talking from Baltic perpective, no need linguistics to hear, that slavic languages much more similar between themselves, belorusian are much more similar to slavic mecodonian or bulgarian than to lithuanian just across border. Slavic is group where baltic doesnt fit

@Rodzyniastyyyy

8 ай бұрын

As much I love baltic countries, when spoken I understand complete 0%, save for some odd words like numbers, family members etc. In written form I could guess some words from context, but not enough to even have a partial understanting of a sentence. While when I had an opportunity to have a drink with Bulgarians, theoretically as far from polish language as you can get, we were able to hold a basic conversation, rakia obviously helped a lot.

@Deywos-zs2sq

8 ай бұрын

1) Popular doesn't mean correct, many non-sceptic degenerates still believe in old factless hypothesizes ("Baltic people are Slavic" or "Balto-Slavic"). 2) Most "similarities" between Baltic and Slavic branches is just influence of Sprachbund, but not genetics.

*edīˀnas *duwō *tríjes *ketū́res *pénkti *šéš *septín *aśtṓ *néwin *déśimt

Ja kako Rus dobro råzumějų pra-slovjansky.