That's a neat little '60 you have there! I did the Kirst conversions on my '51 and '60. I left the loading lever on mine, cuz I like to shoot the C&B cylinders as well. Luckily the cylinder on the '60 was timed perfectly. The '51 I had to work on a bit to get both cylinders timed.

I love these. They are so fascinating and so American!

Hell yeah, ole Young guns buddy. That's a badass lil gun you got there and an awesome movie. God bless from ole Carolina.

Looks like a great little peacemaker. Your machining looks 👍

Hot Damn, I like that! I'm old school. I would seriously consider that for EDC. Thanks for the video.

Thanks for the lesson on how to safely use the cylinder. There are many cowboy action nuts who fill in the safety notch on the hammer, and remove the between the chamber, drop safety, on the percussion cylinder. The prevailing thought for cowboy action is to NOT learn how to use the built in drop safety features.

Just recently got into these revolvers and am planning to convert mine to 45 LC ! Excellent video!

Your video is the best one I've seen, Thanks for sharing.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

I had to file a little off my bolt to fit mine, works perfectly now , the sound of the conversion cylinder took some getting used to , kept thinking something was wrong when cycling it but apparently it wasn't . Nice vid

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience with the cylinder.

@thechonkersking2647

2 жыл бұрын

@@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike is there a way to drill and tap the conversion plate and the frame to mount it more securely?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

2 жыл бұрын

@@thechonkersking2647 that I don't know.

@thechonkersking2647

2 жыл бұрын

@@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike then my next question is-could that be done at home? Just find 2-3 spots in the loading gate plate that have nothing structural, that matches up with a solid piece of the frame and drill and tap with a flush set screw. It would get rid of the extra noise, and make reloading alot easier. Also does the standard 1860 barrel fit on the frame? And could a standard barrel with an ejector rod be cut down to usable size? Just spitballing here...

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

2 жыл бұрын

@@thechonkersking2647 I guess I guy could anchor the plate to the frame, I personally am not bothered by the plate jiggling around some. I tried to switch barrels with my older Pietta standard 1860 Army and they would not interchange. An ejection rod would be awful short for this model, maybe too short. You may want to look into a 1860 Richards conversion by Uberti, standard size revolver. They are pretty nice.

hey there! another youtube comment section expert here haha. for a while i shot my navy with the wedge as loose as yours. I was told to make sure i used a mallet to tap in the wedge and it improved my accuracy 10 fold. i dont know if your accuracy is poor, but if so i highly recommend you give that wedge a little tap. you shouldnt be able to remove it with thumb strength. i would bet your accuracy will improve. nice gun!

Thanks for the video, it's very good. A pity that in Spain, we cannot get those converters.

Super cool. I have got to get this setup. Great video!

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

Жыл бұрын

You will love it.

Fyi for anyone wanting to convert from BP to cartridge, use STEEL frames only. Brass frames arent strong enough to take the pressure and more likely cause a dangerous accident

That's a very coowl 1860 pietta snub nose belly C.B !... 🤠👍 And with a Conversion ...

Forgot It would come with brass rammer, perfect to knock out cases when needed

I’m having thoughts about converting my old Pietta 1851 navy. Great video. Nice old school snubbie

@bunkstagner298

3 жыл бұрын

Do some research pardner that conversion needs hollow base bullets i understand.

@classicgunstoday1972

3 жыл бұрын

@@bunkstagner298 yes it does or heeled bullet or have the barrel relined. I’m going to go with the former so I can switch back to ball and cap as desired and start moulding my own bullets

a few years back I took a Richards type II, had the barrel cut down & new sight put on it, then put a Thunderer grip frame on it. Everything fits from Uberti.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Sweet

Awesome video. Very cool. Thanks for sharing.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

8 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Amazingly cool!

Grear work.and awesome Bat Masterson hat.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great stuff

Definitely good-looking gun I must pick one up

Wonderful!!

Oja! Ale Super!

That text came at the right time , I thought you were making a Clint Eastwood movie lol great stuff mate. Ps what are those federal red lubricant bullets like ?

Seems like a sweet little piece

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

4 жыл бұрын

It is.

Someone might call you out, just for wearing that hat, McFly!

Good video. I just got a Taylor's/Howell conversion cylinder for my 1860s but it's giving me trouble in my Armys. It works in my 1851 .44 'navy' but this is making me wish I got the Kirst instead.

@whatsmolly5741

3 жыл бұрын

Same, got the howell .44 for my pietta army and it just locks up and doesn't cycle all. Eventually figured out the 2020 pietta bolts were filed to fit and Howells close enough wasn't close enough any more. Got another bolt and filed it until I could cycle all 5 rounds but 1 of the rotations took alot more filing than the other 4 and it cycles fine but I can spin the cylinder out of place by hand. Howell said it's piettas fault but obviously the grooves on the cylinder arnt uniform since it locks up fine with 2 of them and doesn't with the other 3, also the original works fine even with the filing. Also have a 1851 navy but it's a 2020 like my army and it does the same thing.

If you aren’t handy can send it to Kirst gunsmith and have the work done. Reasonable. These are popular for a few reasons. No paperwork on the revolver. Let’s you shoot a blackpowder revolver with smokeless powder cartridges. Last you can travel with the revolver as a blackpowder revolver almost anywhere in an RV , and assemble as a cartridge revolver where legal. Pair it up with a same caliber 45 lever rifle and you are heeled

This one kinda nice don’t want one but hey man I appreciate it

I looked at the price point on these and I think I’ll stick with combustible paper cartridges lol thanks for the video.

Now that's a cool little gun!

I cast and load boolits for conversions myself. Im thinking of chopping a 1860 down

Super revolver👏👌

Sheriff rode into town today. More compact than expected. Kirst on the stagecoach

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Nice!

Love the 1860 but did the .22lr conversion. Got the 45LC on my 1858 Ace though. They def don't make them like to use to as far as character and diverse detail.

Nice. This is the best way to go imho. I have this snubbie and put an R and D cylinder in it. Nice but I would like to upgrade to a Kirst. Great vid man! Your bowler made me sub as I am a hat guy as well.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@charliesierra6919

3 жыл бұрын

So I just ordered this same conversion. Dremel at the ready.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

@@charliesierra6919 Let me know how it goes.

@hazcat640

3 жыл бұрын

@@charliesierra6919 "Dremel at the ready." Is that another way of saying "Hold my beer"? :)

Thats weird, I just got done watching on youtube that long boring movie Once Upon a Time in The West when at 5:10 I hear Harmonica aka Charles Bronson, I thought the movie started back up, glad you said it was your ring tone, I didn't know what to think......... I have a Kirst Konverter on my 36 cal 1851 Navy, strange I cant find a video anywhere on youtube with same set up, I go from 36 rd ball with black powder to 38 long colt heal bullet with Trail Boss. Nice hat, least it wasn't a baseball cap!!!

with .45 Cowboy Action Special cases this kind of set up is real fun to shoot. A lot more fun using real Black Gunpowder not that smokessomewhatless stuff.

Theyr pricey but a ton of fun

Nice revolver and video.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Seems like he knows his stuff. Would prefer taking a little off the back of the barrel than the cylinder to avoid decreasing the o stall length . Checked my standard 45 Colt loads and they don’t go past end of cylinder

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Let me know how it turns out.

Sweet 👌

7:21 Young Guns!!! I love that movie and Billy The Kid!

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

2 жыл бұрын

I have heard a rumor that there is a part 3 planned. I think it will be about Brushy Bill Robert's. I guess wait and see.

@TheRealestIdealist

2 жыл бұрын

@@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike Whoa thanks for telling me! I had no idea…I just looked it up! I can’t wait. This just made my day hahaha

Kirst says they will modify specs on the Pietta units. Will be sending mine for fitting , they and their gunsmith sound pretty decent. Will let you know Joe it goes but it will take a few weeks

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

I spoke to their gunsmith before I had my Dragoon done and he seemed like a strand-up guy. I think I had my Dragoon back in about 3 weeks. It depends on how busy he is with the cowboy action shooting competitor's orders.

This is exactly what I want to do with mine. Cuz I thought the same thing. It needed to be converted like this cuz that pin is stupid to have to take out ever time. I just need to save up 350bucks for the kirst

Pozdrawiam. KDZ.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

6 ай бұрын

Thank you and be safe!

Still hearting comments after 2 years? Damn. I have to ask then, any idea if this model will accept the unloading rod? Worried it may be too long for the snub barrel.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

2 жыл бұрын

It is too long.

I am a HUGE fan of both that model gun and the Kirst Konverter. Problem is, there is no damn 45LC or 45S anywhere, in any online store. It's all out of stock or back ordered. Found one place in AL that still has some but they don't do online and say you have to come in the shop. So that's 3 states and a lot of gas money away. Sucks being on empty fellas, lol.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

And it may only get worse with our new president wanting to ban online sales of firearms, ammunition and accessories.

@robertrobert7924

Жыл бұрын

Better to reload: Buy new brass, Mold, and loading dies. Load with smokeless or black powder. I just loaded fifty rounds last week.

👌

Apparently newer Pietta models have a slightly smaller frame and the Kirst cylinder needs to be fitted.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

That sucks. The cylinder for my Uberti Dragoon had to be shaved some as well.

Beautiful belly gun

Good video . I have an 1860 snub . I've been researching the conversion. A conversion a little work on the handle and it will be in my ccw rotation. I like your jacket . Is it wool ?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and yes, it is wool.

What's the websit you bought the conversion cylinder

Hey Pard, have you checked how many fps you get with the short barrel? Nice presentation, thanks.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

10 ай бұрын

Unfortunately I currently don't have any way of measuring that.

The Kirst is real conversion, nothing against the drop ins (they're cool, too), but the gated conversions just look much better to me. That Thunderer style gripframe and short barrel is calling to me. That would be an awesome forward-positioned crossdraw.

@mikegrossberg8624

3 жыл бұрын

Do pretty good with a shoulder rig, too!

What black powder gun do I recommend for a felon! Since atf laws say that I can't own one that can be converted.

Where can I buy this brand of pistol and conversation cylinder?

Hey my friend can you please upload a video of you physically converting this piece from black powder to this kirst cylinder? I'm a First timer

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

4 жыл бұрын

I had it done by a professional gun smith, I was afraid I would screw it up.

@boucherwag_7771

3 жыл бұрын

@@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike I can't find a gunsmith in my area that would give it a try...

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

@@boucherwag_7771 you can send it into Kirst's gun smith or try Gary at cartridgeconversion.com.

Looking for a steel frame for my 36 cal. Navy revolver can anyone help me.

Young guns

I have the sheriff's model i was thinking of converting. With the company doing the work plus action job it would run $600

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it ain't cheap and on top of that, the price of the conversion cylinders has gone up quite a bit since I had mine done. I think Uberti and Pietta are missing out by not making some of their models conversions as well as cap and ball.

Hello , beeing french , do you think I can order the Konverter in the US without having a problem ?

👍

Where you had to relief the frame so the cartridges would fit did you blue that or have the frame re case hardened it's hard to see in the video

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

It's just bluing.

Nice little concealed carry piece

Since you already relieved the area for loading 45 Colt, could get a second gated 22 lr unit . Just sayin

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

I have had my eyes on those.

How do you hollow out back shield out of your snub nose?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

I had it professionally done but to answer your question, very carefully and slowly with a dremel tool.

If you drop a bullet it's ok... Rim fire is what you don't want to drop if you can help it

Did you have any problems with the cylinder slipping or not indexing correctly? If so, what did you do to fix it?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

2 жыл бұрын

I was fortunate that the cylinder did not have any issues in my revolver. With that being said, when I converted my Dragoon, I had to send it to a gun smith to be worked on.

Who did ur work,. I need my 1851 36cal finished up. It’s got the gated cylinder,. Needs to be finished

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Cartridgeconversion.com His Facebook page is, Cartridge Conversion Revolvers / dba: GB Enterprises

Did you have to change out the second hand hammer spring?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

2 жыл бұрын

Nope.

How did you remove the material from gun for the kirst to work? Movie is young guns .

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

4 жыл бұрын

I was going to attempt it my self but I ended up sending it to a gunsmith that does conversions.

who ground your frame. did they have to time it ? for the kirsk

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Gary at Cartridgeconversion.com I dont think he had to mess with the timing but I really cant remember.

Did u have to drill and tap two holes on frame allem head 6/32 like the howel arms gated cylinder conversion install?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

I had mine professionally installed but to answer your question, no you do not. The gate just sits right in place. Mine had a timing issue and I was afraid I would mess up the loading gate channel so that is why I opted for it to be professionally done.

@cadworld4732

3 жыл бұрын

@@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike im a machinist looks simple to me plus seen a fixture online or even template will be fine just howell n arms honvetsion w gated arm requires long drill n tap on frame to fixed cylinder ring prefer krust if more easy to install

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

@@cadworld4732 yeah, the Kirst seems to be a lot easier to install and with your skills it should be a breeze.

where did u get those duds? id like to make my own ammo with empty cartidges and primers.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

I reload so I just put a cartridge together minus the powder.

Any cartridge length issues? Or gotta stick to cowboy loads

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

2 жыл бұрын

Cowboy loads only.

Does the gated cylinder make it less able to withstand pressure at all?

@jason60chev

3 жыл бұрын

It is still recommended to fire black powder loaded cartridges in these cylinders, however, they are rated to mild or what are described as “cowboy loads”......cartridges with lead bullets loaded to Cowboy Action Shooting velocities. Also, do not fire jackets bullets. Don’t know why, it is just said not to do it.

@korbetthein3072

3 жыл бұрын

@@jason60chev Unless I'm horribly mistaken, it's because jacketed bullets are unlubricated. Black powder and unlubricated bullets do not mix well.

How do you remove the cylinder from the snub nose model?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

The same way you would a regular 1860.

One issue is that the Kirst converter cost about as much as the revolver.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

Жыл бұрын

Yep and they aren't getting any cheaper.

hello were can I buy the slim Jim holster please , I don't find them on Ebay !

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Try OldSouthFirearms

hello I need to ask you , I have the same one and I'm converting it like you did but I have a problem the cylinder will not rotate when I click the hammer back it gets stuck when I load it with .45 L.C. BRASS WHAT CAN I DO TO FIX THIS PLEASE SO THE CSO THE CONVERSION CYLINDER WILL ROTATE. how can I fix this problem please

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

2 жыл бұрын

It sounds like the new cylinder needs to be fitted to the revolver. I am not the one to advise on fitting the cylinder. I would consult a gun smith that specializes in this field. The gun smith for Kirst, if he is still there, was very friendly whenever I had questions. You might try calling him.

Does it still keep its black powder classification ?

@geronimo6615

4 жыл бұрын

Not with the conversion cylinder installed.

@joshuajopp2896

4 жыл бұрын

@@geronimo6615 still considered a "ghost gun" though, at least where i live. No markings, no serial

@donaldcadwell3911

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuajopp2896 I don't own a open top revolt like these but the Remingtons from Pietta do have the manufacturers name and it does have a serial number.

Quand vous convertissez une arme, quelle type de cartouche utilisez-vous? Je veux dire, sont-elles chargées avec de la poudre noire, et à combien de grammes ? Merci.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

Жыл бұрын

Could be?........

I "believe" by cutting out the frame so you can load through the gate, you've made the gun a federally recognized "firearm". I'm sure a bunch of people have said that already but I just wanted to throw that in there. The excellent video though. 👍

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Once you place the cartridge cylinder in there then it's a federally recognized firearm and has to go by all federal regulations.

What was previous caliber?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

2 жыл бұрын

.44 cal

How close to point if aim does it shoot.? What grain bullet? I would probably reload a 200-225 to keep velocity around least in 700 plus fps range

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Im shooting 200 grain bullets and I mostly shoot it at 8 yards from the target. I hit high at about 2 1/2 inches from that distance.

@Desperado3248

3 жыл бұрын

Any idea what velocity you are getting?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

@@Desperado3248 no, I dont have any way of measuring it.

@Desperado3248

3 жыл бұрын

Getting anywhere near 1000 fps even with a 200 gr billet, at safe pressures is wildly optimistic. You will be lucky if you can hit mid 700 fps. This is an open top blackpowder design

Anything like this but cheaper?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

Жыл бұрын

Taylor's has a model called the Hickok Open Top snub nose revolver that would be a cheaper route, if you want a snub nose cartridge revolver.

Do you have to use cowboy loads

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

Hi I have a brand new Pietta 1860 Army Snub Nose Revolver .44 caliber. My question is, there's no problem with converting from .44 cal. to .45 cal.? I was planning to buy the Kirst with the gate to convert to .45 Schofield cartridges (Cowboy Ammo) so my only concern is with the barrel, it does not have to be changed? I was told by Kirst that the barrel can stay as-is with no change. Is that correct? I just assume that .44 to .45 would be larger in diameter. Hope you can answer my question, Thanks :)

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Correct, you do not need to change the barrel. I use .454 round balls in my .44 cal revolvers (it will shave a small ring off of them when loading) and the .45 Colt bullets are usually .452 diameter.

@manuelescobar2774

3 жыл бұрын

@@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike I measured my 1860 Snub Nose barrel end at the front under the sight and it measures to 0.425" then I measured a .45 Schofield cartridge at the lead bullet end and the lead bullet measures 0.452" as you said. So that difference will be shaved off when fired and I assume the lead bullet will expand as well?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

I havent had any issues with .45 Colt conversion cylinders in my .44 cap and ball frames. You should be alright but if you have doubts, I'd ask a gunsmith that deals with conversions. This guy knows his stuff as well. kzread.info/dash/bejne/oK2HtsF-ma3ShtY.html

@SalvationThroughFaith777

3 жыл бұрын

@@manuelescobar2774 that’s supposed to happen, the barrel is supposed to squeeze the bullet, it’s better for accuracy, that’s why there’s rifling in the barrel to grab the bullet and twist it as it being fired

Will that drop in that easily or do you have to do some gunsmithing?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 ай бұрын

It's a 50/50 chance. You may have to do some smithing on it.

@markhadley1545

3 ай бұрын

@@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike That's not encouraging

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 ай бұрын

@@markhadley1545 Sorry. The converter that I put on my 3rd Model Dragoon, the cylinder was a hair too long and it had to be shaved down a bit.

Name That Movie? "The gun SO cool, that when it's fired, it snows in Miami..."

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

2 жыл бұрын

You got me on that one.

Didn’t show one target?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

2 ай бұрын

Well, my target was a tree so I didn't think people would like to see a tree with a bunch of holes in it.

Well my Sheriff is on order from EMF.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

Sweet!

Do you use an ejector tool for unloading spent casings?

@jason60chev

3 жыл бұрын

If the cases do not drop 9n their own, then yes, some kind of ejector would be needed. An old antique style key with the end ground down and carried on a watch fob would look pretty cool.

Young Guns

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

11 ай бұрын

Did you see the size of that chicken?

@ChickMagnet556

11 ай бұрын

Tripping on Peyote ! 😂

Can u make this pistol n 2 a 38 caliber

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

No.

@randycarroll7566

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Can you convert back?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

you should be able to unless you have to drastically alter the timing or the frame of the revolver for the cartridge cylinder.

@young_of_the_mill9560

3 жыл бұрын

@@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike off subject, but what size percussion caps does this pistol take?

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

@@young_of_the_mill9560 10s but I replace the factory nipples with after market nipples and they usually accepts the 11s better.

le colt est beau mais changer de barillet c est mieux sur remington

What Brand of ammo you use for it

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

I reload my own and use Trail Boss powder.

@jacobhurt3821

3 жыл бұрын

@@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike what would be a good brand for the kirst convert

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacobhurt3821 any of the cowboy loads should be fine.

@stargod3064

3 жыл бұрын

@@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike where do you purchase your cowboy loads? I can’t seem to find any in stock for this snub nose.

@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike

3 жыл бұрын

@@stargod3064 I reload all of my .45 colt. I recently did a search for factory .45 Colt ammo and I had the same results as you. The ammo situation sucks, primers are now hard to find for reloading.