For those coming to this guide in 2021, a number of these weapons have been rebalanced, so a new video is probably in order, but here are some key takeaways. Assault rifles: now suck less because they have had points of shred added to them. This means that while they will rarely be the most efficient answer for a given target, applying enough of them will always achieve a result. the NJ ones are now even more focused on countering armour. Shotguns: Less dominant because of the changes to the perks that were used to really exploit them. They still have place in the game though, and the shard gun at tier 3 is amazing. Independent Equipment: now available to manufacture and have ammo made for it, and they're cheap, so your third line troops will use more of these in the early game. Heavy cannons: You don't start with the hel now, you get the tyr, which, by firing three shots, is less effective against really tough targets but is more forgiving and likely to give you at at least one hit. PDWs: The completely busted PDW damage perk was changed so PDWs are no longer completely busted, they're now just situationally very good. Virus Rifles: Considerably better now with a much higher virus value. Rage Burst: The old rage burst which dumped the whole mag is gone, replaced with a shitty, shotgun spray style talent (serious stealth nerf to things like the Deimos) There are others but hopefully that's helpful until I get a chance to re-make this video!

@wolfcam4462

2 жыл бұрын

Would be super happy if you could do an update video! Maybe with a tier comparison too :)

Definitely want to see the tier 2 vid. Not a lot of good explanation videos for this game yet, glad to find one

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

I've been waiting on legacy of the ancients because i expect it'll unbalance things, but it's just taking so long to come out.

Love your guides

The Iconoclast Shotgun is a beast if it is in the hands of a fast Assault class unit. 40 x 10 means that if all pellets hit, you are gonna do 400 dmg which can one shot kill most light armored targets. If you combine the skills Adrenaline rush + Rapid Clearance with manual aim this shotgun, you can probably kill 2 or 3 (heck, maybe even more) enemies before running out of AP.

did you know you can drag one weapon and hover it over the other weapon and it will give both info screen and an indicator that shows what's worse and better by red down arrows or green up arrows next to the respective stat?

@alanhu925

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't until now, thanks

@YiannosG

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't either, great info, thanks

@timblighton6216

Жыл бұрын

Nor did I. Thank you!

Thanks for this! There's little to no info on the details of this game out there at the moment, looking forward for more videos from you :D

PDWs can destroy priority targets even heavily armored ones late game if u have it on a infiltrator, shooting from behind while stealth. Also pretty good for rapid clearance on infiltrators since two shots with the dmg buffs can kill trash mobs and ull just run around and clear entire maps, ive killed 15+ enemies in one single turn with this set up. In fact i consider this set up to be one of the strongest in the entire game specially if u get the triton leg mutation that gives u +30% stealth so u become pretty much undetectable.

@PerunAU

4 жыл бұрын

i only found this practical with the NJ AP PDW so was going to talk about it next time. have you found it works with the T1 PDW?

@Subjagator

4 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU There are quite a few ways to remove a targets armour and once you do that the low AP cost of PDW lets them do a lot of damage.

@ellickquan5225

3 жыл бұрын

Hilki

I realize this is a year old, but I want to push back on a point you made: I use the independent weapons long into the game (on legendary), because when fighting melee pandorans, any range is more range than them, so the lack of range isn't as meaningful. More importantly, the independent weapons are by far the cheapest weapons to fire (barring the infinite ammo ancient weapons that break the economy over their knee), they have the best damage to cost ratios, and cost to actions ratios. When I'm early and mid game, struggling to hire more troops, kit them out, build bases, aircraft, etc, I'm going to hand out every Yat, Uragan, Vyara, and Udar I've got, even if I also give the soldiers 'better' weapons along side them, sometimes you've got a point blank kill shot, and it can cost you 10 materials, or it can cost you 3. I love my Yats for those cheap cleanup shots when the last guy just barely doesn't finish it off, and weapon swaps are a free action. No Tech costing ammo is real sweet. Just a note for you to think on.

@PerunAU

2 жыл бұрын

The key is that when this was made, you couldn't manufacture independent ammo, so the economy point was only there insofar as you could use up the ammo you had captured. They only became an actual sustainable solution of any kind when that was patched later. Now, I would absolutely keep at least Yats in issue. The Uragan is pretty trash, but you CAN bash people with it as well.

I very much enjoy PP's weapon system and the fact that even basic weapons tend to stay with you for a long time (depending on faction and research choices). I play with mods - AssortedAdjustments - and it really balances out the mid game, by giving access to Pheonix weapons that are straight upgrades to the basic ones, but require multiple types of research (including faction-specific research) to access. Same goes for gear and it was quite needed. Granted, Ancient weapons still reign supreme in the late game, but at least there's now some sort of a late-middle upgrade path to speak of.

Loving this series

Dude why are you not making a playthrough on this game. would watch someone competent for a change.

@Dreamscythe1

4 жыл бұрын

this x100. im so sick of the guys doing them right now, i get so frustrated watching them i have to just turn it off so incompetent

Great video. Thanks for the info!

This is a great help! Didn't understand the gun statistics until I watched this hahaha Definitely gona talk about that on my next videos!!

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

Just be careful that some of the numbers have changed since the version of the game this was written for. Glad it was a help.

I noticed that as of the week I write this, the assault rifles now do shred damage. The Aries does 1 shred per bullet, and the Bulldog does 2. I'm not sure what the Syndedrion AR does atm. Also the effective range for all weapons seems to have been rebalanced. If you decide to redo this video, it might be good to quickly look at the different costs for ammo. Firebird ammo costs a lot less than Pythagoras ammo, for example.

A good point that I’ve found in favour of shotguns (especially the anu ones) that complements your assessment of shotguns, is related to Tritons with the Pain Chameleon body part. If you’re in a situation where you’re out of position due to bad shots, having to rescue troops or open crates and it’s sort of put a wrench directly in your plan and this is then exploited by tritons (and other enemies to the same extent of course) what the shotgun allows you to do is almost guaranteed takedown of a pain chameleon triton by shooting it directly into that body part from the next space. Even if you don’t kill it outright, you almost certainly prevent it from retreating whilst cloaked and ripping into your team from safety on its next turn. This, I think, is important for avoiding a death spiral, since those enemies often have paralysis weapons that can further fuck up an already fucked up situation, and if you just clip them due to a bungled shot from a heavy or a sniper or assault rifle, they can cloak and further erode your ability to react to the problem. In effect, shotguns are a superb safety net, outside of their flat damage utility and the rest of the statistical analysis you provide here. Having your sniper or heavy shot or struck with paralysis weaponry when you’ve already started to lose the battle can seal your doom - inhibiting the enemy choices by removing pain chameleon from a triton (or, of course, a psychic scream from a siren) gives you the basis to start clawing it back.

I'm disappointed to hear that there isn't that much in the way of tech advancement, I had hoped that the Phoenix Project would make some hybrid technologies.

@Lesanthosxia

4 жыл бұрын

There is some sort of hybrid tech later part in the game, but I have not found other factions other than PP NJ hybrid.

how to get the Weapons ? i have to grap them from the Ground in a Battle ? so i have to do it, before the fight is over ? or i get them after a fight too, if there lie on the ground ?

If your soldier has the "Strongman" perk (Heavy weapon proficiency and +30% damage) they can one shot a Siren with the Deceptor MG. Pair it with Assault's Rapid clearance and Berserker's Adrenaline Rush (plus a Priest's Frenzy is awesome too), and suddenly you'll have a map clean from enemies :D

@GewalfofWivia

4 жыл бұрын

Adrenaline Rush has a large accuracy penalty that isn't in the description.

@dmz985

4 жыл бұрын

@@GewalfofWivia yeah, that's why you have to go to point blank range with it. Basically use it (the Deceptor MG) as a stronger shotgun.

What about the 2 melee from anu. The mace and sword

Man I’d love to watch you play this game, will you do a let’s play

Anu does have an assault rifle. It's called virus assault rifle or so, it has low damage, low effective range, 3 burst and does 2 virus damage per bullet.

@PerunAU

4 жыл бұрын

is that distinct from the virus rifle i cover in this episode as a specialty gun?

@adrian_86

4 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU no, I commented just after you said that Anu has no assault rifle at the beginning, sry.

Any plans on an updated video anytime soon?

Can you do a video on tier 2 weapons and or armor?

PDW with Sniper's reduced Overwatch cost is free, which is awesome. Also really nice to combine with Marked for Death.

The Anu assault rifle is the Virus Rifle. I am early in the vid, so I dont know if you hit that or not.

There was one time I was doing a base attack quest on the independent faction to retake a Phoenix's Base. My Shotgun dude with dash + rapid clearance wiped out almost all of their soldiers in one turn. Shotgun is the best aoe weapon I know in this game.

I see you're still responding so I'm curious is it possible to swap between weapons without u equipping one of them??

Where is the penetration stats and how to do you calculate armor damage?. Is it like any excess damage will be mitigated to flesh/health?.

Finally purchased it. Very hard game as I keep dying. How do I upgrade to these weapons? The monsters now can mind control and shoot mist :/

@TheLycanDragon

4 жыл бұрын

If you get a good relationship with a faction they will share their tech tree with you and you will get more research options. Then you research them and then manufacture them like you do the base weapons.

Do you plan to do tier 2 weapons?

Would love a follow up !

Just gonna put it out there, on Heroic difficulty, recruits only come with their armour. In Legend difficulty is when they lack their armour too. So any difficulty beneath heroic, bringing out Independent weapons for new recruits isn't really necessary.

Hel 2 is now a research item. The 3 burst cannon is now the first heavy weapon.

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the TYR is another reason this video badly needs an update. I'm working on a Year one playthrough now so I can show off the tier 1s again.

Synedrion armor is super good too

Heavy, what happened to the autocannon?

I am surprised you don't use the tier 2 crossbows. The poison is very powerful. Particularly good with infiltrator/snipers as after a standard sniper shot they can fire a crossbow bolt as well. And then use the crossbow to overwatch if you have the ability to reduce it by 1.

@PerunAU

4 жыл бұрын

Oh I absolutely agree. But i'll cover those use cases in my T2 video. I only have 1 sniper-infiltrator active because most snipers became heavies or assaults.

@Cervando

4 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU Ah OK. It is just you said you gave all your infiltrators shotguns. Most of my snipers are heavy crossed for the OP rage burst. I tend to keep them back, so return fire is less useful, particularly after the patch. The double damage from the infiltrator means that snipers can kill most mobs with 2 quick fires. Although I do agree Infiltrators with shotguns, rapid clearance and sneak attack are ridiculous and I am leveling a beserker/infiltrator as I am sure melee with sneak attack and adrenaline rush would be an awesome combo. Infiltrators with the thief ability and mutated stealth legs and infiltrator armour seem to be undectable. I have had mobs walk right past him a square away and still not see him. It was hilarious, they kept surrounding him using noise to track him, making a shotgun blast to the face a cinch. I do think they should have incorporated the noise of the weapon in determining if stealth is broken, as it makes no sense why they use the early crossbows otherwise.

You said you gave your Heavy sniper armor? How? I wanted to do that, but I didn't seem to have that option. As far as I could tell, I could only give my guys the armor of their particular class. I didn't play very much. I've got too many games (or not enough time), and I've been spending so much time on a couple of others that I haven't returned to Phoenix Point (yet). But I did try to give my Heavy different armor. (As he started the game, he couldn't move and he couldn't hit anything.) I just couldn't figure out how to do it.

@PerunAU

4 жыл бұрын

have you toggled the filters on the left hand side of the equipment screen? By default it only shows gear for the class you're looking at.

@Bill_Garthright

4 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU Yes, I'm sure I did that. But I'll check again the next time I play the game. Thanks!

There is a Tier 2 in this Game?

My first 12 shots with the Hel Cannon ALL Missed. The Salt was real.

@andrewfraser4863

4 жыл бұрын

That weapon is fluke as anything

@Punishthefalse

4 жыл бұрын

@@andrewfraser4863 This is exactly why my Heavies pack both grenade launchers and the cannon.

Just want to say that Year One Edition virus rifle is godly now. The virus value is 5 for each bullet and if I'm not mistaken, the damage is increased a little. You do not use the virus rifle to kill people, you use it to take them out of the equation. A siren or scylla that suffer 30 virus damage (2 shots) is practically harmless within two turns. The reduction in will assures that they can't use skills within 2 turns and will panic for the next few turns, which gets even better if you shoot them 2 more times. At first I thought virus weapon was shit too. But I discovered that if you reduce the enemy's armour with a grenade launcher, virus weapons own the battlefield. Once your scylla takes 70 virus damage, the scylla is practically yours to do with as you wish. They won't fight back even if they have full health. You can then stun them either for research, food or mutation.

@PerunAU

2 жыл бұрын

The buffed virus rifle was a big change, though generally a biochemist with an LMG or shard gun is 'good enough'

can´t wait to se tier 2 weps quide lol this was really helpfull even tough know most of it allready since got synedrean and anu tech (jericho still lagging behind on 25 % lol pandorians just lowe those synedrian havens more and some of anus lol jericho only has 1 attack so far..) by the way have to ask since on bb5 build you needed to have 50 % to get tier 1 tech and 75 % for tier 2 how does it work on this launch version since its changed quite a lot ??

once upon a time when rage burst is still useful

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

yeah its trash now imo

limit 2 dash per turn now still great video

@PerunAU

2 жыл бұрын

One of the best changes they made to the game. This video is a bit of an historical artefact, given it dates to 2019!

Ozjasz Goldberg :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

this guy should talk more about wars or something

This is probably the thing about the game I dislike the most. I never get the feeling I'm reverse engineering the aliens to gain an edge, just borrowing equipment from other human groups. Also what in gods name is the point of the phoenix shock lance, its objectively worse then the teir 1 Anu hammer.

@nguyendi92

4 жыл бұрын

Digby Smollett and the ViroPHAGE weapon. Is it a bug or I dont see any additional damge compare to normal weapon

@Grazui

4 жыл бұрын

True. I wouldn't mind some real tech progression - it doesn't have to go as silly as XCom (I dislike plasma)

@MorbidMind123

4 жыл бұрын

@@nguyendi92 it won't do its bonus damage vs human targets but it should vs Anu and the aliens. That said the piercing sniper rifle is easily equivalent if not better.

@Stormeris

4 жыл бұрын

TBH tier 2 Anu melee weapons are also literally worse than the tier 1 hammer. It's because they originally were only 1 AP to use, but got nerfed (for no reason at all, because they never were OP) on release from the BackerBuilds

@Dolph_Vader

4 жыл бұрын

@@Stormeris I guess they thought bash for 1AP and strike for 2AP makes sense

synedrion has the best rage burst guns

Where’s Part/Tier 2?

make a Lets play with tips

What is this - how did I get from Dominions 5 to here ?

@PerunAU

2 жыл бұрын

I assume YT assumed that because you like really deep Mythic strategy games you for some reason would also like Xcom style stuff? The algorithm can be dumb like that sometimes.

@connycontainer9459

2 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU Thanks for clarifiying. I know Xcom, but only really played the old one like Terror from the Deep. Did not recocgnize it at all.

Why are bio-engineered guns from Living Weapons DLC suck so much?

@PerunAU

2 жыл бұрын

The LMG is pretty decent, that's a lot of good negatives it applies to the target and having unlimited ammo is a plus.

Now that DLC 2 is out you should redo this

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

plan is to start this weekend, have to playthrough and unlock everything again.

So, I am an xcom lover. Will I like this game?

@HelixMantis

4 жыл бұрын

Don't expect X-com. My playtime with it has felt more X-com "flavoured" than actually like a spiritual successor. Theres a lot of differences, but overall, if you enjoyed X-com I'd say you would enjoy Phoenix point too.

@franfalu

4 жыл бұрын

@@HelixMantis thank you for your feedback, kind sir.

100% stealth isnt a bug. You may call it a balance issue, but Thief+ the stealth on t2 Inflitrator armor = 100%

@taomahNEGEV

3 жыл бұрын

No longer. Nerfed for good reason.

The purpose of the virus rifle is to give you a guaranteed method of applying virus damage. Your suggestions of using a biochemist with a shotgun or machine gun has the downside of being entirely reliant on RNG for getting a suitable class with the this perk.

Plz make a follow up vid

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

I've been waiting on legacy of the ancients. Cthullu already changed so much. I want to go back to the start and do both all the tiers again.

@mechzilla569

3 жыл бұрын

Perun nice but I hope it’s not to late the vids are almost a year old

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

@@mechzilla569 When i first decided to wait after releasing these we were expecting DLC to come much faster. They've been repeatedly delayed. That said they're set on releasing legacy this month so we should have a new set of these maybe a week after that. Thanks so much for the support. Can't wait to come back to Phoenix Point.

There is a hidden weapon, accessible using the console cheat codes. Its the upgrade to the Heavy's main and is called Cum Cannon. Made especially for sirens and scyllas!

This video needs an update.

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

yes it does. but I've started with the later tier 3 first

i understand how strong the dash and rapid clearance thing is but i almost feel like it wasn't quite intended to be THAT strong. it almost feels like cheese haha

Anu virus rifle

So many resources......

this is a showcase and not a guide. i can read stats on my own bro

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

Evaluating which ones you should and should not use strikes me as a guide but itd be good to know what elements you think I'm missing for future efforts