Miss these Phoenix point videos. Love the military analysis he does these days, but this is gold

One key thing you didn't mention. The Neural Torso is the only cybernetic chest that allows for mounted weapons or arms. This means that a Technician can use it and carry loads of turrets and heavy weapons, such as a Grenade launcher, flame thrower etc. He is also a handy mule to carry off any loot on scavenging missions as he doesn't need to collect the turrets afterwards.

@markrichards7377

3 жыл бұрын

I noticed this came up in a few of the comments. I think that this makes the cost of the torso appropriate.

@Self-replicating_whatnot

27 күн бұрын

If i am drowning in resources i buy a neural torso for every one of my technicians since it's an upgrade to TechOps torso.

@DarkVeghetta

23 күн бұрын

Yeah, that's my biggest issue with the Juggernaut Torso. It's very much a Heavy torso, yet it lacks the ability to attach mounted weapons. I'd understand not being able to mount arms, but the laser mounted weapon is worth its weight in tech on anyone that can use it. Sure, it has slightly higher armor, but it's simply a worse long-term option than NJ's Heavy's torso armor. Certainly, less of a penalty to accuracy, but that can be fixed fairly easily with both helmets and leg mutations.

@Self-replicating_whatnot

23 күн бұрын

@@DarkVeghetta Yeah i always end up with a couple of guys with Disruptor head, Anvil torso and a Stomper legs jumping up turn 1 to shoot sniper rifle at fools. Not the most deadly cross-class ever but still very nice to have.

I just wanna say I appreciate the work you put into helping us with Phoenix Poont, this game doesnt held your hands, at all.

@Setnja92

3 жыл бұрын

Thats true. I am on my 1st blind playthrough and i am flying through like a ball in a pinball ... o.O So close to lose, constantly surprised, what the hell just happend? Again and again finding use, for seemingly useless items and so on. All three DLCs enabled, i had no idea, what was going on for 3/4 of the time, so far :D 6 % untill the game over, i do hope, that i can still win this! :D

So a long time ago, back when each faction had a different spin on each advanced class (we are talking concept art pre backer build one here), synedreon used to be the melee stealth faction. Their infiltrators were duel weilding ninja. Where as new jericho infiltrators would be more of the crossbow units we have now. I think the synedreon torso is a remnant of that.

Your video is so thorough and well thought out. The greatly appreciate these videos and I'm down for watching any Phoenix Point content you put out.

I did find it weird at first that the Synedrion torso was the best for melee stealth, then I remembered that they usually like to do things quietly and quickly, it made a tad more sense then that they might design efficient cyber-assassin tech.

@Setnja92

3 жыл бұрын

Technology is here for us, to made something impossible possible. If Synedrions are "clean hands" killers, not physically fit for close combat, it makes sense, that they would try something like this.

@cianakril

3 жыл бұрын

The Synedrion torso and legs are good on a Berserker, especially with riot shield.

I found Rocket Legs quite useful in a Sniper build that you don't want to cross with the Assault class, it's a nice alternative to dash

Perun makes the best phoenix point videos from overall and detailed perspectives. I like how he analyzes every option and detail and tries to be objective even with things he doesn't have a preference for. The neural helmet is worth every penny.

Dude I learned so much from your Videos - just superb content! Thank you very much!

Night vision mutation grants the ability to detect enemies at normal range on night missions and some dark maps, such as tunnels. It also allows you normal opportunity fire ranges. Otherwise mobs can see you before you see them and shoot outside your opportunity fire range, which can be devastating. It's similar to the tech that mounts on your head to see in the dark.

@steveharrison76

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

When cybernetic heads are disabled, you lose only 1 maximum will point, with biological mutations and helmets you lose 5 while in this state.

Here to make a case on the propeller legs. Not sure if it was the case back when the video launched but it DOES allow for you to jump on top of buildings (just jumped a 3 store building on my last mission) and it does provide great mobility for assaults which can use two dashes and two jumps to basically cross the map. Also, it does cover the same distance as a dash (albeit in a straight line and can be blocked by trees and such) with only 2 will power cost, which is a great case altogether.

i love your phoenix point videos

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

cheers mate

Nice, I feared you might not make Phoenix Point tutorials anymore. Looking forward to other guides!

Yesss more phoenix point!

Started my first playthrough on Veteran, I'm pretty damn far at this point, and it's been an ugly, certainly mistake riddled run so far, but I think I still have victory within my grasp. The only cybernetics Ive built so far is the tier 2 torso and leg cybers on an infiltrator. Honestly? I've had alot of success with that soldier. Having dash and the rocket leap is pretty huge, you can cover alot of ground, and almost nothing can stop you. 1 AP for a jump up to a great shooting point, 2 for the shot, 1 to jump back down into dense cover. The armor from the torso works well at keeping her alive, and the carry weight means any time there's ever a carry weight issue, she's right there to compensate, able to swap items for free and everything. After viewing this, however, I'm definitely considering the synedrion cyber torso. The only reason I didn't yet was, honestly, because I completely agree with your take on it's look. Why TF would they design a pointless cavity under the chest? Seriously you couldn't have put anything there? Armor plate? Hell just a pouch to carry stuff? Just seems weird and looks weird, but I cant deny the benefits.

Fun Fact: Tier 2 Chest of Cyborg for New Jericho can be also equipped with cybernetic arms for repairs.

I'm not sure if it's because things have changed since this video or not, but now (writing in October 2021), I *love* the propeller legs. They can absolutely be used to get your soldiers up to higher levels. and they only use 1 AP as opposed to the 3 of the jetpack, so they're great for snipers and heavies, who can often jump up to a vantage point and shoot in the same turn. They're also slightly cheaper in WP than Dash (2 vs 3), handle changes in elevation better and are not even that much worse on flat land, so can even be useful for assaults - if you only need to move 10 squares for that melee attack but dash will give you up to 14, save yourself a will point! No ladder around? No problem! Honestly, other than the torso piece that lets you melee attack for 1 AP, the propeller legs are my favourite bit of "armour".

@PerunAU

2 жыл бұрын

There have been some good patches related to cybernetics and mutations since I made this thankfully.

wow, the devs REALLLY value that double weight capacity.

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

For reasons I dont quite understand...

@hellwalker301

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU It's good for when you have technician's that are turret heavy. You can ignore the early strength investment and build out your will investment instead. With throw turret skills you can have 6 turrets available for offense / defence without needing a mule assault character.

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

@@hellwalker301 I'll pay that, but it does make a deep investment even deeper, as outfitting a full turret techie can be a cost sink to get started ( and ongoing if you lose turrets) I think thats a good use case...but you could field most of a bargain team for the cost of one soldier decked out that way. probably comes down to your resources and strategy.

@hellwalker301

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU It costs the price of an aircraft but melts sirens. Slow turtling tactics makes some corridors impassable. At a max of Nine turrets and a minimum of 3 turns to deploy, you have an additional teams worth of firepower available. Mind control against a low willpower technician can lead to friendly fire team wipes. It's vulnerable to EMP, acid and explosives but it is only practical in the late game. Works well with infiltrators scouting ahead and armour shredding heavies.

@mechzilla569

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU if the stomp is free the might be good on melee berserkers since they have to get close range anyway

A few things regarding the Year One Edition (specifically the version before Festering Skies): - Rocket Jump DOES work from goo now; - Propeller Legs CAN jump from goo now, CAN get to first-floor heights, and the range is roughly similar to Assault's Run, making them very useful on many builds that don't involve an Assault multiclass - especially melee builds; - Neural Torso gives any class the option to use heal-arms (for the base 2AP, but still massively useful, especially early on to replace medkit usage) and can accommodate mounted weapons (mind you, only use it for such if the solider has the associated perk, but the laser mounted weapon is amazing and fairly economical long-term, though for a steep upfront tech cost). Late game, my Assaults typically have 6+ weapons, sometimes even more, so that Heavy Lifter is very useful. Furthermore, Technican gear is heavy (especially if you like having multiple turrets) - this cybernetic enables a starting Technician to be fully kitted without investing in strength. High tech cos, sure, but not that much more than the TechOps torso, which is strictly worse than the Neural Torso. Cheers!

I recently realized that the Combat Shield is always out when it's in an active slot, even if it's not actually active: It's on the soldier's back, providing protection against fire. This makes it more useful than the Energy Shield that only exists when deployed. I'll see about equipping all of my troops with them just for that turtle shell on the back next time, I think. Now I wonder about using both at the time time, though... Combat Shield always on the back, Energy Shield in front.

the regen torso would be good on assault troops for when they get an arm taken out it can repair it. can still use 2 hand weapons, stomper legs could be useful for snipers for accuracy and the stomp ability to daze worms if needed

One thing I wanted to point out, at least with the Year One release out now, is that the Synedrion cybernetics aren't quite as much a tier three anymore . In my latest game, I actually unlocked them well before the unlock for the middle column NJ cybernetics.

@WillyFooLiveStudios

3 жыл бұрын

I'm >50 diplomatic with Sinedrion now but 0 with NJ. How do I get the 'tier 3' cybernetics?

Echo Head "dark environment" FYI : dark environments reduce perception so that thing you are not sure on echo head is really awesome when in caves or during night time mission. spotting enemies in not hindered and max overwatch distance you can set is not reduced (overwatch max range is perception dependand you may have noticed you cannot set your snipers for overwatch one end of map to another in "dark environment" maps).

Found Tier2 cybernetic propeller leg augmentation useful only once on a soldier without jet pack of heavy chest armour. In the Pandoran Lair mission where there are terrain blockade spots, which prevent all foot soldiers from crossing over to access adjacent areas, the short distance hop from the propeller legs overcomes the blockade. The shortcut was useful in that lair mission to reach the Spawnery bypassing detours infested with Pandorans. A team of soldiers all equipped with jet packs may be more efficient in lair missions.

Have you tested whether the ability to see in dark environments means you can see in mist?

Regeneration Torso seems like it would be interesting with the shield in the polaris update. You can regenerate every part that might stick out. That 45 armor chest might be important if you don't have a 1 handed weapon.

realy enjoy your work on this, but i wana say i use a lot ....A LOT... the propeller legs, and i love it.... u can use it 4 times every turn (if you have the will, and it cost only 3 when run cost 3) and can jump up to high ground, that is awsome for snippers and others.

@PerunAU

2 жыл бұрын

I believe propeller legs have gotten upgrades since this one was made, I'll give them another try.

Neural torso also allows you to put on mounted weapons! :)

@markrichards7377

3 жыл бұрын

I felt this was also a gap in the analysis. I believe you can put the tech arms on it too.

@Isvoor

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, tech arms work on neural torso too. I've used it for non-heavies who got the mounted weapons perk.

i think the lifter torso is good. If a soldier has the mounted weapon damage perk and i don't make them a heavy i have an alternative to a jump jet torso armor.

I am just gonna ask here as it seems like one of the best spots to, how to get the tier 3 cybernetics for context I sided with the pure and I am in mid way through mid game. I rejected the offer for 250 materials for the raiding synedrion (which I assume gives tier 3 tech) so unless there is a third mission I am unaware of or there are other ways which are not raiding synedrion labs or going up by diplomacy I would like to know. Edit: I found out a year ago.

Propeller legs are a worthwhile on a heavy assualy melee terminator build. Dash and propeller jump can make the difference between the next link in the melee chain. The jump allows traversal of broken terrain. Its expensive but a melee terminator is effective enough to basically be a squad alone.

I originally put the propeller legs on a sniper thinking it would allow him to jump to the top of buildings. Boy was I disappointed.

Like the Phoenix Point videos

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

thanks mate, any particular topic you think needs to be covered next

@romulusnuma116

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU I would be interested in a video about the best class combinations

Why does the augmentation screen have conflicting information on the right and left about what they do?

fucked up my first play through, restarted and man Ive already found sooo much more stuff than the first time. I love this game

Doesn't the tier 2 tirso also allow equipping of the tech arms or the mounted weapon?

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

It does, but to my mind the mounted weapon offering just makes the price tag even higher without adding much value. mounted weapons are strong, but are a drain economically and jump heavies usually mount enough. I can see a case for it making a decent technician torso but again, not sure on the cost benefit there. maybe if you have a technician A team member and didnt want to augment one of the head and legs?

@benjaminstephenson166

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU my thought more pointed at a non-heavy that picked up the trait boost and could use an extra attack. A build with bad accuracy could use the laser to good effect without worrying about aiming well. Also thanks for making these. Love the game, need work on making my play throughs better

Sort of a general question, but does accuracy rating effect melee weapons?

For Berserker/Assault "terminator" builds, wouldn't you prefer Daze Immunity over Mind Control Immunity?

I'm definitely not an expert on the level you are (or I wouldn't be here haha), but I like the rocket legs because they can be very valuable to get you out of trouble or put you into an aggressive position with a cheap AP cost (compared to torso jumping, which generally leaves you with few options once you've leapt). With the rocket legs you can jump to height and still rattle off a sniper round, or multiple handgun rounds in one turn which makes them valuable for avoiding worms for e.g.

@benoitcerrina

2 жыл бұрын

I really like the rocket legs. They have +3 speed and the move improvements is almost as good as dash most of the time but without the 2 per turn limit.

Pretty much the only use I’ve found for the propeller legs is spending some excess materials and tech to give my max speed, with a couple perk bonus speed points, Shotgunner that sweet plus 3 speed points. He can clear a whole map in like two turns lol. But yeah, other than min/maxing the speed stat, there are way better options than the propeller legs.

Deny the metal acept a new flesh! Anu will guide us!

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

I can't deny Anu has the right idea when it comes to war on a budget....you gotta admit some of this tech is pretty sleek though

@csabawars

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU They probably the most lively side. I just love that Magnum pistol and the mind controll. I do not pike the mutdogs. I never build never will. In the convept arts they want to make giant supersoliders to them wish they add it. (True i pref the original art over the new shiny 1)

I could see possibly using the Mirage Legs with a melee build, as opposed to a shotgun build.

@Trifler500

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. I came back to confirm that Mirage Legs work great for a melee build. Combine them with a Vengeance Torso.

How much accuracy is enough accuracy? Is there such thing as enough accuracy?

Echo head disables the night perception pebalty (its halfed for all units), so you will spot enemies like its day

@PerunAU

2 жыл бұрын

Another reason that Echo is solid, I can see the benefits to having one high perception scout with it to scout the field, especially during night missions.

Looking into buying this game despite the load times. Should i get it for pc or for Xbox?

@PerunAU

2 жыл бұрын

My understanding is it still performs far better on PC than console. I haven't tried a console version, but the PC version is stable and runs well at this point, they've done a lot of work on it since release.

For roleplay reasons, I don't use either cybernetic nor mutations. I've seen how unhinged The Pure is like and I wouldn't want to be them. As for mutations, I don't want to look like monsters. What's the point of beating back the pandorans if the end result is passing on their genes to the future generations? I want to win as human, not as cybernetic or pandoran monsters.

@taomahNEGEV

3 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%

@dillonbaker2791

2 жыл бұрын

I felt motivated after reading that lol WE WILL NOT COMPROMISE!

I always feel bad when I turn my soldiers into machines, so I rarely end up using these.

Dont get the propeller legs. It just do a short jump

I have all dlc..and I don't have the ability to build this

@gagaplex

Жыл бұрын

You need both the right research and the Cybernetics Lab, you can't augment them out of the box.

36:24 Vengeance Torso is a joke... Those Pure found a case of beer but no one brought a bottle opener.... so they decided that one guy brings a bottle opener...

Perceptor head is better that Synedrion Sniper helm.

Congrats hope you stop both viruses from spreading

33:01 someone skipped Leg Day.

you: disappointing... the mirage legs.. me: they are ugly as fu...

I find so many design choices in this game so strange. Swap team equipment enroute to a mission despite the original wearer being half way across the globe? No worries. Install mutation or cybernetics?? No worries- don't even have to be at a relevant facility. Does the soldier need any down time for such a drastic procedure? Hell no. All in all - so weird.

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

I strongly agree, especially with the one which impacts the game the most, which is equipment swapping. I'm going to raise it with the devs if I have a chance.

@bjornefellhanded9708

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU I'm doing my first run through on the second highest difficulty (I forget what its called). It would simply be unfeasible trying to manage so few resources (I'm hardly an efficient player) without that, frankly, exploit being available. Get it closed off. I should be forced to use the sub par stuff I've scavenged. The choices would be so much more brutal and impactful. Oh - and love the vids by the way. Very, very insightful. Nice one.

Dude 45MIN?!!!!!!!!!! its not Meta physic class! you could cut it much much shorter version!

really this part of the game is broken and make me leave it... seriusly you can kill a armored vehicle shooting it with any gun... but i only can hurt that men with the Sniper Rifle? whats that joke? IS STUPID! and Broken!

@PerunAU

2 жыл бұрын

Most armoured vehicles have roughly the same armour as the heaviest cybernetics, unless you're talking about the thrusters on the Aspida, but that thing barely counts as an armoured vehicle...

Something worth mentioning about the neural torso is the fact that it can hold a mounted weapon (the description of the item says this, I know rather ideotic to put it there and not in the stats page). It can be very useful for your main assault sniper since you can reduce the action cost by one an just shoot for free with the mounted weapon; pair this with the super accurage laser mount and you have easy damage on a target for free.