"Sorry Steve, it's cheaper to mutate you than build you some pants so... get in that chamber friendo"

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

Look, it's the end of the world and budgets are tight ok?

I remember when the game came out, "mutations" were just armor pieces that you could put on and take off. I'm glad they changed that. On another note, I think they could have made mutations really exciting by giving the player the ability to actually adjust the stats and special effects of a mutation and having the cost adjust accordingly. Then there would be caps of various types in place for each tier.

@Self-replicating_whatnot

2 жыл бұрын

Imo you should be able to replace mutation with cybernetic, but not the other way around.

So, just an observation and something that is extremely powerful regarding priests. If you run two priest/technician builds in your squads like I do you can maintain indefinite mind control on 2 targets during any mission if you use the willpower regen heads because the cost of maintaining the control is less than what is gained if the two priests stay within range of eachother. This can give you disposable troops and save vast amounts of resources on ammunition and time spent healing.

@jonkohler4095

3 жыл бұрын

Also as a side note, running two priests with this head also allows me to spam Willpower abilities on the rest of my squad such as boom blast or quick aim, as the willpower regained by killing enemies and the passive regen usually outpaces the cost

@jeffersontello8599

3 жыл бұрын

You are sick man! And i love it, gonna try that out (first week playing)

One redemption on armored head is that it gives you the immunity to the self daze at the end of an adrenaline rush. For a berserker heavy With a grenade launcher this allows you 4 shots every round

You tend to compare the mutegen tree to the cybernetics tree, but remember that cybernetics is DLC, while mutagens is vanilla. Other notes I missed in this video: when you use mutations, you cannot use various equipment anymore on your soldiers, like mounted weapons and mist- and goorepellers. For that only most mutations aren't worth it imo. Fun detail about those agile legs: when applied. a soldier can jump to some lower platforms which otherwise require a ladder. For me the frenzy head is the best choice, and the main reason I have priests at all (Dual classed with assault). It's next to OP, it makes a lot of difference what can and can't be done in one turn.

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

I take your point, but I just figure cybernetics are such a like-with-like comparison (permanent slot use, limit of 2 per person, more unique abilities than armour) that it's worth making the comparison. I also think the Y1 edition will boost the number of people with blood and titanium and i'd rather not limit the applicability of guides to those people. The point about disabling modules is a good one, though to be honest I don't tend to use them much myself. Everyone cuts corners in their budgets and manufacturing somewhere, and that's just one place were I tend to do so. I don't find myself walking into mist very often for example. As for the frenzy head, I'll be much more clear in my priest review, but I tend to agree it's the best. I checked and ALL my active priests in my current run have the frenzy head, simply because speed really is king in this game.

Just picked up the game and theres so much to learn, been scouring outdated reddit posts and watching videos trying to figure it all out and then I found your channel, only seen a couple so far and they've been immensely helpful and thurough. Very insightful, Great job

Thanks for the guide. Underrated channel, really.

Your channel is absolutely top notch. Thanks for going over this information.

I would like to see some play of phoenix point on this channel. I have not seen this sort of in depth analysis of the game elsewhere on KZread, and would like to see what you are talking about in action.

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

I'm just aware lots of people post gameplay and fewer people do the analysis. one year one edition drops though I may post some gameplay (or wait for festering skies)

@Orosian5

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU I appreciate the analysis. As someone who is waiting for the game to be finished, it's handy for figuring out what's going on with the game.

Hey, just wanted to thank you for these guides, really helped me with the game. It's funny I started watching your channel for the Ukraine war videos, but started playing Phoenix Point and found you independently again for your "old" videos. Great job on both very different types of videos.

This is super useful for me as I’ve not played yet but just picked it up - thanks for sharing your wealth of experience my man

@PerunAU

2 жыл бұрын

No worries at all. Just my opinions but I hope they help.

Thank you, for answering most of my questions on mutations and classes.

@PerunAU

2 жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

I’m going to have to disagree about your opinion of the tier 1 head, it is a standard equip of my assault/ berserker units. It allows them to rapid clear adrenaline rush a group of enemies refresh one turn then not spend the next turn doing absolutely nothing. Considering how often I put my units in that situation it needs to go on my A team. I do however agree with most of everything else you’re saying.

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate the comment, this is a classic example of a synergy that I had not thought of/did not intuitively expect would work mechanically. Beserker cross classes are so omnipresent in the meta that I can see myself getting some use out of this.

Thanks for the video! I usually like the daze immunity for my berserker so I can keep adrenaline rushing without the 1 turn stun.

i think if you dont want to use the mutation body parts, a good thing to use the currency on is the mutogs, to have one in every phonex base as a guard dog.

@NGCAnderopolis

2 жыл бұрын

Thats a good idea actually

Mutogs and vehicles in general need a buff or the amount of space they take up on your vehicles needs to change. A mutog is not worth 3 soldiers in most cases. Neither are the vehicles once you reach mid to late game. If they allowed you to experiment and augment your vehicles and mutogs like you do your troops it might be better. I rarely build them and only use them for base defense.

@gothicfly

3 жыл бұрын

I see vehicles more as an economy option. They are faster and cheaper to build than to train and outfit 3 soldiers.

Read the description of the mutations they show more bonuses than what is advertised on the stat block. The resistor head for example apparently gives +5 will points.

@WardOfSouls

3 жыл бұрын

He did point this detail out at the end of his analysis of the resistor head. There are use cases for it, but the rest of the stats on the head are a bit disappointing.

Great Video! Actually, I've two plus point for Tier 1 head and Tier 3 torso. Tier 1 for Berserker is absolutely useful, combined with Adrenaline Rush, gaining immunity to side effect of Adrenaline Rush. Tier 3 torso can be useful with some high-damaging pistol (1AP is somewhat useful), maybe for paralyzing targets?

mixed the armoured head with, assault and berserker mix, and make sure they have strong arm, give them the Jericho machine gun, rapid clearance and adrenalin rush, and pop all your perk points into speed and will points, now you have a super fast guy that can every turn shoot his heavy gun for 1AP instead of 3AP and you gain 2AP per kill, I've done this a few times and this one load out can literally (ammo allowing) clear a map on his own, then even more so with a priest with frenzy

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

Ah, the classic terminator build, such incredibly deadly cheese that it verges on cheating. I'll show that off at some point.

@jordenc8417

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU hahah ahh so you know it! its sooooooo good haha

The regenerative torso is extremley good in the late game multiclass an assault/ beserker,and bring flame grenades or flamethrower heavies use the flames to lock down corridors, and use the regenerating assault /beserker to charge through the fires and kill anything that survives and if they get grazed oh well. If you do it right they rip through citadel missions without ancient weapons virophage guns or even ap/shredding

I still don't get some of the choices made in the tech trees... They promised sidegrades, but it's more often than not a gamble if you get something useful or if you wasted your time.

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

And sometimes you get outright upgrades, as with tier 3 weapons, armour piercing tech, and things like nanotech. I agree it's a mixed bag. Tier 3 mutations tech makes me feel fairly cheated for example. I think breaking down the tech tree for value would be an interesting exercise.

@Sorain1

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU I really hope you do that video, it'll help people and I think you have solid insights on the relative values.

@perun I saw on a site that the agile legs also let you walk up one floor while you're moving. Just started playing again and was wondering if this is the case before I got through the trouble of ultimate mutation. Can you confirm? If it is the case propeller legs are even more useless.

can you do a video on paralyzing a scylla few different ways

MOREEEEEE!

Do you get a mutated donger with legs or the torso?

The venom torso with the high power anu pistol might be somewhat intriguing? The torso accuracy would make the pistol accurate and it does a ton of damage. Sadly it takes 2 to fire. I guess if you had sniper as one of your classes you could use its quick aim ability to lower the shot to 1 ap. I suppose the light sniper rifle which does almost as much damage at the same ap would be more efficient when used with quick aim. The sniper rifle is not nearly as range limited. However, you have to build the light sniper and the anu pistols are easy to come by looting.

@gothicfly

3 жыл бұрын

maybe neural pistol instead?

Personally, the Heavy head gives you immunity to stun, you can use Adrenaline rush and won't get stunned the following turn. Isn't that nice? Started playing Phoenix point from a couple weeks and I am loving it. Every step forward I take there is something I can customize and some decision I can take. Also, referring to the T3 torso, I use it with a melee weapon on the second hand. So spikes from any distance (well, close distance) and melee if anyone gets close. I am still missing the T1 for regen but the poison stack, so if you can put 2-3 poison in one turn that's some massive damage. I agree on T2 torso, it's fairly good against myrmidon as they get stunned in 1 hit, but besides that, the stun attack is costly.

Knocking aliens out with stun is sometimes easier than just killing them, especially when they start getting tougher armor. When I start floating genes I grow some of those living tanks for base defense.

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

That's fair, though stun weapons are also pretty easy to carry. The idea of breeding mutogs to defend bases is a nifty idea for surplus mutagens. My normal approach has instead been to always get a team back in time but that relies on having a lot of active teams in fast moving aircraft.

I could see the Resistor Head making some sense if it was immunity to poison and virus, but just taking half damage doesn't cut it.

@Mewobiba

3 жыл бұрын

Haven't tried it out yet, but if it halves damage as it comes in (rather than when you take it), it renders it pretty much ignorable. Problem with e.g. virus is that if you take a 6 virus damage hit, you're gonna end up losing 6+5+4+3+2+1=21 willpower. If the head halves the incoming virus, you're gonna lose 3+2+1=6 willpower in total instead, which is less than a third and far less likely to make you panic. Ultimately, given the armor value I don't think it's a *bad* deal as such for assaults etc if it was the only mutation option, as the only other option in the same cheapness class would be random looted indie helmets with worse stats, but when the perceptor head is as good as it is there is little reason to use this.

I use the mod where you can use all three mutation/cybernetic slots. Making hybrid monstrosities.

Man, i find the Tentacle and Venom torso mutations so cool, but they're so fucking garbage

lol, you can see willpower in the personnel window overview on the right side of the screen is a little statlist now

@teecee1827

3 жыл бұрын

Still doesn't explain why they didn't put it in the bonus list rather than just in the item description...

armored head is for terminators to avoid daze

On one hand i want to like phoenix point, i don't have it but i have a lot of experience with this sort of Xcom type game. On the other... It seems mostly incomplete to me, and a friend who i disagree alot with, just believes the free aim system that throws out easy percentages makes it unplayable. I nowhere come close to fully agreeing with that, but with the way cybernetics and mutations are handeled, the way tier 3 weaponry is behind a whole DLC like they finished the game after the fact and made you pay for it again, and the complete lack of seeming dpeth behind the mutation mechanics alone. Much less how they bungled the diplomacy aspect to the point where your doing nice things for syndedrion so you can farm points where you can steal their airplanes and not go to war on you, and then still make friends with everyone with just more annoyance and fuss. Oh, but you still basically nuke at least two factions in whatever ending, because their is no compromise ending despite the fact that most players play the middle man between them. I can't buy it, it would need a mod that did as much for the enemy unknown long war, in terms of sheer balance overhaul and additions to the game to make me consider. To summarize I look at it like the Mutation tree seems, interesting mechanics wise, but seeming simplistic and incomplete. While i may not want it as it is, I'm glad your enjoying it, and I'm glad your documenting it in a way that I've seen no one else on the internet do so going into a complete breakdown on the mechanics and analysis strategy. versus a normal play through.

@Amaloyz

3 жыл бұрын

dont worry, all dlc are free now, game is so much better

@n.kosters4757

3 жыл бұрын

Great game give it a try

@leonardobianucci6218

3 жыл бұрын

Fan of xcom here. Phoenix is a blast. Only real complaint is how teach research in handle in relation with factions. Like is all for free after 50 relation or nothing before. I think it will be better with a sort of buying the research with relation points or something similimar that way you can hit some techs before and feel gradually how you are becoming stronger. No the actual feeling what is to unlock everything at once.

@gothicfly

3 жыл бұрын

As a long time xcom enemy unknown and xcom 2 fan I really like this game. You should definitely give it a go yourself. It feels different and interesting to play. Ive already sunk 47 hours into the game and feel like theres still so much I haven't figured out. Compared to xcom this game is quite complex and has so many things to figure out that it does feel overwhelming at times but then there is that sensation of discovery as you do figure things out. In a sense its more like the long war mod that it gives you more options to start with and try to figure out and customize your soldiers. In base xcom all soldier classes pretty much work in a certain 1 or 2 ways and then you just unlock upgrades to them along the way. Phoenix point allows you to do so many things that are more or less optimal and in a lot of cases even doing the less optimal things make some sense.

In a morality sense,this is worse than the gene mods in xcom ew. At least the gene mods in ew are invisible.

@Mewobiba

3 жыл бұрын

How does the visibility affect the morality of it?

@MrODST57

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mewobiba it permanently disfigures the person making social interaction potentially more difficult

I wonder if any of these resemble the bio-engineered super soliders single-handedly holding off the Russian advance (/s) XD

I miss the psi powers from x-com i only use mutations if i must call me old fashion but they look simply ugly. that was far better dealt in x-xom but thats only my opinion. i also find the Tech or Mutation Part better in X-Com had both true purpous. in PP the Cybernetics are far superrior to the Gene part. the psi powers in PP are verry limited. a psi soldier would be great mebe the desiplels of Anu could get a bonus to psi powers like body or psi modification or so ? but all in all PP is a great game i enjoy it a lot. but like in x-com the dooms day clock is really really annoying.

@gothicfly

3 жыл бұрын

+5 will is clearly a priest head. For some reason it isnt though..

@SupCom78

3 жыл бұрын

@@gothicfly possible but at least the game is more balanced than at the beginning . the start was at that time really hard masses of pandorans with better armor and weapons that you could muster.

man... if only you could slaughter mutogs XD

Whomever was working on mutations must hate their job or is not allowed to do what they want or need to There are so many Pandoran weapon that D of Anu could mutate reverse engineer gun arms made into living turrets wings jump legs Extra pair of arms grappling web or ground denial deployable like spider man 🐛 grenades that you spend Will to control deploy able from a torso or thrown and the living weapons were a disappointment

yea if mutations are this bad i think id rather cheese unless im trying to nerf myself.

ye i was so underwhelmed by most of the cybernetic and mutations, seems like they missed the opportunity to create some amazingly fun tactical choices in lieu of stubborn game designer babies, over half of them simply dont make any sense, why even bother sending them to the concept phase of development. how about an arm that launches fucking acid worms! or a mind control head. or combining pieces like the jump legs with anti goo... it's just dumbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb and boring. havent checked out the ancients stuff as i felt like it was just another money grab to a game i've thrown enough money at already. shame because i really love the tactics in this game overall. love a more sandbox mode too which did away with the whole forced endgame etc. anyhow thanks for the vids!

I would never expose my troops to controlled Pandoran mutation for sure. Never liked Anu.

The guide is too long for the 4 concept you are explain, next time you make a guide organize it before start talk, will be more easy to follow

@gmradio2436

Ай бұрын

Turns out there is a market for in depth analysis of specific topics.