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@Arpedk

3 ай бұрын

Andre and TFL, your range calculations was wrong! 123 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 138 miles on a full 100% charge. Going as a normal EV road tripper with 10-80% charging schedule you have 100 miles of range while towing. While respectable it will be some years before Cybertruck / Rivian / F150 Lightning goes from ~130kWh to 150 kWh or 180 kWh battery. 150 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 168 miles, 10-80% = 118 miles 180 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 202 miles, 10-80% = 141 miles. The 10-80% is chosen because it takes about 30-35 minutes to charge perfect for a road trip. 80-100% usually takes another 30-40 minutes so you do not want to keep charging above 80% unless you are enjoying a good meal.

@Seventh7Art

3 ай бұрын

Can you actually make a video to demonstrate its climbing ability? Steep uphill mountain slope etc. Also, using the highest suspension setting, try to clear rocks up to 16 inches high and stuff like that! A comprehensive off road test is definitely in demand!

@guyfawkesuThe1

3 ай бұрын

The mirrors need to telescope out and be bigger!

@matthewcarroll2777

3 ай бұрын

Your dense I just pulled a tractor out with my lightning

@tentam1982

2 ай бұрын

Are there any PG&E trucks that are EV?

I dont think anyone says it can't tow. Everyone saying it can tow far. No one wants to add hours to a trip just to charge. Thanks for pointing out another flaw no pull through changing.

@Tool0GT92

3 ай бұрын

For most camping trips you might have to stop one time to charge, 80% on a supercharger doesn't take long. Hook it up and get some lunch and let it charge

@davidbrayshaw3529

3 ай бұрын

@@Tool0GT92 My back hurts just thinking about it. I hate hitching and unhitching trailers.

@solandri69

3 ай бұрын

What I've noticed from these EV truck tests is that they seem to drop to about 1/3 their normal range when towing, whereas diesel trucks drop to about 1/2 their normal range when towing. That suggests that towing loads end up pushing the electric motors (tuned for daily driving) far outside their optimal efficiency band. (Gas/diesel trucks get around this problem by using a transmission to put the engine back within its optimal RPM band. But EVs don't have transmissions. Gas tows worse because optimal RPM for gas engines is usually around 3500 RPM. For diesel it's usually around 1800-2000 RPM.) I've been wondering what the fuel economy would be if you loaded a diesel generator into the back of a Cybertruck, and used that to recharge the battery while you're towing. Basically turn it into a plug-in hybrid with a huge battery pack. That could alleviate the range problem when towing. But would its fuel economy be better or worse than a diesel truck?

@Tool0GT92

3 ай бұрын

@solandri69 I don't think people who consider getting an EV truck are that concerned with showing for the manufacturer to sink that much money into that kind of system. Plus generators are notoriously bad with emissions compared to an actual vehicle.

@solandri69

3 ай бұрын

@@Tool0GT92 Generators are inefficient and bad with emissions because they need to vary their output to balance a changing load. That frequently requires them to operate at an inefficient RPM. But for the purpose of charging a big battery, you could select a generator whose peak efficiency output exactly matched the (stable) power output you needed for charging. That's why automakers have been pursing the CVT - it lets them operate the engine at its most-efficient RPM all the time.

Towed one time with a model X, realized then and there these cars are NOT meant for towing. Worst experience of my life. Had an 8 hour trip to Washington from sac California. Literally turned into a 20 hour trip because we had to stop every 75-85 miles to charge. Worst part was we had to lift the huge uhaul trailer off every single time in the cold rain to back into the charge and plug it in. Eventually the guy who we were supposed to meet to drop off some bikes decided to drive 4 hours down and meet us in Oregon (we never made it to Washington) to come tow the bikes back to his shop. Worst experience of my life and the weight of everything was about half of what the model x could do. This was also a 2020 long range rated for 340 miles. We decided to rent a 2013 ford f150 for the next delivery and we stopped once for gas which one a 5 minute fill up and costed around the same as supercharging. The car was rated for 480 miles and we got 420 towing the exact rig…..this is coming from a huge Tesla supporter but I’m also in reality. Last thing I’ll add is near mount shasta we had sudden insane power draw since we were going uphill and there weren’t enough superchargers so I even had to shut off the heater, drive 25mph (limit was 55 for trailers) and put my hazards on all the way to make it with 2% to the charger on top of the mountain. Even with the new range extender the cyber truck will SUCK at towing. Maybe 140-150miles max you’ll be getting for a 120-130k+ truck….

@Jay-me7gw

2 ай бұрын

Yup. EV’s are so efficient that even minor changes in load/drag affect them a large amounts. Thats why there are ev specific tires that are designed to reduce rolling resistance and aerodynamic drag as low as possible because even that can add 10% to your range. Tesla does everything to make their cars have the lowest drag coefficient as possible. When you put a big rectangular box behind them you are increasing the drag by a huge amount. On top of that, that added drag almost eliminates the need for regenerative braking on the freeway unless you are going down an extremely steep grade.

@tentam1982

2 ай бұрын

😳😳😳.... So... Thanks for share that.

@MotoGPatrick

Ай бұрын

@@Jay-me7gw My brother towed an RV with a 3.5 ecoboost v6 F150. He got 8 mpg and had 200 miles of range with 23 gallions. I pulled it with a 6.2 v8 raptor with 210,000 miles on it and got 10.5. High effciency vehicles even ICE take a huge hit towing.

@Jay-me7gw

Ай бұрын

@@MotoGPatrick Its hard to compare a single tow in one truck to a single tow in another truck though. I had an F150 Ecoboost for 9 years and towed the same trailer 22,000 miles with it. I saw anywhere from 6.7 mpg to 11 mpg depending on the weather conditions. Usually i was around 9.5 mpg. And that was towing at 70mph most of the time. But I do agree, Ecoboosts take a bigger hit while towing than V8's because they start higher in the first place. Thats the nature of it. The Ecoboost is addressing efficiency at lighter loads where most half tons spend most of their time. At high loads everything evens out because that is where the V8 is most efficient per hp generated, when the throttle plate is nearly wide open. You're now dependent on the energy content of the fuel so they will both be about even. But, also, your brother made a big mistake getting a 23 gallon tank if he intended to tow. Any F150 can be spec'd with the 36 gallon tank making the range 288 miles at 8 mpg.

@MotoGPatrick

Ай бұрын

The solution for all EV towing is trailers with their own EV drivetrain and battery. and pull through charger docs. The silverado EV extra weight and low efficiency puts non towing driving at gas costs.

The title to this video is WRONG. Only being able to go 100 mi to without looking for a charging station that you have to unhook from your trailer to use is NOT a capable tow vehicle. People who say the Cybertruck can’t tow are RIGHT. Just because a vehicle has enough torque to PULL doesn’t mean it can TOW. My tractor can PULL but I’m not going to go down the interstate with it pulling a travel trailer. TFL needs to get out of the tank for EV’s. Someday, they might be capable. But, currently they are just a scam.

I don't think anyone said it couldn't tow , but it eats up range in a hurry and that makes it impractical to use as a tow vehicle.

@TheAnnoyingBoss

3 ай бұрын

The only place it excells at towing is in the city where its harder to go 100 miles. But i mean lots of towing is from one place to another outside of a single city. I just see it as a symbol of slavery but thats my opinion because you buy a vehicle you want to go anywhere from sea to shining sea and if you buy this truck youll be watching fords chevys toyotas hondas even kias bro kias will be driving past them at the charging stations the whole way across. I will PULL UP. And i will say "remember when tou guys told me to buy a tesla and id never have to go to a gas station again, but an f150 never go to the charging station again"

@vector006

3 ай бұрын

​@@TheAnnoyingBoss It's all about perspective. Slavery is sending money to OPEC countries who continue to prosper by our dependence on their product, and then sending our troops over to control these animals after they use the money to build rockets and weapons. Slavery is sending men to work endless hours of extreme physical labor on oil rigs in the middle of the ocean months at a time without seeing their families. Slavery is having to absorb wild price swings of petroleum products any time there is a crisis in the middle east that threatens oil supply. Slavery is employing huge amounts of resources to clean up oil spills that kill massive amounts of wildlife. Slavery is the massive transportation network of truck drivers that have to move crude oil from the ships to the refineries and then deliver gasoline and diesel to fuel stations scattered across every corner of the country, every day of the year.... the list goes on and on..... It's easy to forget about how inefficient this entire system is. We are spoiled by being able to pump a massive amount of chemical energy into our fuel tank in a matter of minutes, but all the work was done upstream to get that product to the pump, plus the millions of years it took to form underground. Electric energy, although slower to transfer to your vehicle, is far more efficient; we dont have to dig up electrons from the ground, refine them, and ship them across the globe... they are literally raining down on us from a fusion reactor in the sky (our sun). We as a species need to recognize that petroleum is a limited resource, and the sooner we get off using for propelling transportation, the longer we can use it to create other things like plastics and other things that we can't easily find alternatives for. You can debate whether we are at risk of climate change run-away catastrophe or not, but you cant debate how stupid it is to not to go electric eventually. So... the question is, do you want to be an early adopter of the technology now or wait around a few years until battery tech and charger network growth makes it compelling enough to for everyone to start ditching the ICE powered vehicle. Death of ICE is inevitable, except for special use cases.

@teddyruxpin3811

3 ай бұрын

@@vector006 You have some really good points. But EVs are not powered by solar.

@smurfy1543

3 ай бұрын

​@@vector006If you wanted to be an early adopter to EVs, you'd have to live in the early 1900s, when EVs were in more use. Yep, they've been around for a very, very long time. Most of the vehicles on the road in that era were EVs, actually. Battery tech can only go so far. More capacity = more volume, weight, etc. Eventually, I think we need to look at micro-nuclear power units. In fact, Rolls-Royce is heading in that direction, just not for vehicle engines just yet, but they are working on small nuclear power units.

@howebrad4601

3 ай бұрын

​@@vector006prior to the current administration we produced enough energy in the us to fully meet our needs and even export some. Thus we werent depending on opec for anything

ERROR: Your math is incorrect on the energy usage. 892 wh/mi = 1.12 miles per kW. You divided in the wrong direction. 15:48. At that rate you could tow that trailer maybe 137 miles.

@wolfgangpreier9160

3 ай бұрын

Yes, sounds good. Besides that we would not be allowed such a big ass trailer on a puny little car like the CT in Europe. But then we could always use real trucks. I would use the CT to haul parts to my customers. No ned to drive around with a 100.000 cubic feet farmhouse.

@Argedis

3 ай бұрын

So the power usage of a microwave for an entire hour only gets you 1.1 miles of range And that was going 55mph not even 60+

@wolfgangpreier9160

3 ай бұрын

@@Argedis Really awesome of the microwave!

@masheemashedpotatoes

3 ай бұрын

@@Argedisbut would that microwave be cooking a 28 foot long, 7000lb roast? That’s my question. 🤔

@czealtamahawk1228

3 ай бұрын

Still a crappy number

Finally a travel trailer towing test! That big wind resistance is important to feel. The fact the truck was able to do it without WDH is VERY impressive. That may come down to wheelbase and weight. I personally couldn't deal with towing only 80-100 miles per fill, almost all the places I have ever gone while towing my travel trailer require much longer distances. I live out west where cities and destinations are just further apart when you get off the main hwy. And this also puts out and back at 40-50 miles.

@MotoGPatrick

Ай бұрын

It's going to suck for travel trailers too. They got range in the low 200s pulling an aerodynamic flat bed. RVs are much more drag an RV at the truck capacity is going to be in the 100s for range even on the 4WT. GM can't produce twice the battery pack profitably EVER at its current price. It has the shortest batt warranty and their batteries have huge problems like they always have. It is also 30% less efficient than the rivian when both are not towing and nowhere near as nimble because the silverado 4WT weighs what s durmax 2500 weights but tows LESS than a gas 1500 can tow. You could get a used R1T AND get a used w/t grade 2WD diesel for what these are going to go for if you can even get one and have it not be in the shop all the time.

I got my Ram 3500 Dually for towing and my Cybertruck for in town and weekend excursions. Got my Cybertruck in January and I’ve had a whole lot of fun with it.

Someone needs to show Butter_EV how to set up the height of that hitch if he plans on towing that trailer with it. The ass end of the trailer was about 6" higher than the front end.

@that.schamp

3 ай бұрын

With 100 miles of range, I seriously doubt he plans to tow that trailer with the Cybertruck on a regular basis. Looks to me like they took the hitch off the 3500 and tossed it on the Cybertruck just for this video. They didn't even use the weight distribution / sway control bars, so there was no reason to use the Blue Ox hitch in the first place. With that much sail area behind the truck, they *should* use the hitch for the sway control functionality, but they probably didn't want to include that step in the video since they do not normally use WD/SC hitches (even when they should).

@jamespastore3597

3 ай бұрын

Yes, and the hitch was adjustable to level the trailer.

@knifeyonline

3 ай бұрын

@@that.schamp I assume you are american? The ONLY use I can think of where I would use more than 30miles of range would be a caravan, and that's about 1% of trailer use where I'm from. It seems wild to think of somebody thinking 100miles is limiting 😆

@flyfalcons

3 ай бұрын

​@@knifeyonline100 miles is just the beginning when taking the camper out.

@ALMX5DP

3 ай бұрын

@dirtroadsailing6418 if you hadn’t noticed, the owner had it hooked up to his Ram. Andre just took the hitch and threw it on the CT just for this quick test.

100 miles to E is terrible especially considering how expensive it is. 600hp doesn’t matter when you have to stop every other hour to charge

@PopsGG

3 ай бұрын

His math is wrong. He was at the rate of towing 137 miles per charge.

@davidmckibbin4440

3 ай бұрын

@@PopsGGwow, what a joke, its an expensive toy

@armandbarbe1812

3 ай бұрын

If you do 137 mph with that, ok, im impressed.

@calebames6842

3 ай бұрын

@@PopsGG still terrible

@Tool0GT92

3 ай бұрын

The kids have to pee every 130 miles so it could work lol ​@@PopsGG

I totally forgot about how you wouldn’t be able to charge the truck on a 200+ mile trip. I would be pissed having to unhitch, charge for an hour, rehitch. Nope!

@rkalla

3 ай бұрын

Exactly - Tesla is working on some "pull through" station layouts so you can stay hitched but they are few and far between and they know VERY FEW will be towing with their Tesla so it won't be prioritized for a while.

@derekbuttery4776

3 ай бұрын

providing you can find a working charger cluster.... or there's available charging stations.... or other EVangelists aren't timing your charging %..... gas n go

@BluD

3 ай бұрын

You already know those one or two available will be full with non towing vehicles too haha ​@@rkalla

@BlazerRox

3 ай бұрын

It doesn't take an hour to charge.

@BluD

3 ай бұрын

@@BlazerRox you're right it takes a lot longer than that in this case. Takes about an hour for full charge on a supercharger plus the 20+ minutes to unhook and rejoin your trailer every 90 miles.

I remember a vacation in which I exited the Snake River Canyon on an old mining trail road. It was 300 miles before I encountered a gas station. Best trip ever. Why would I give up that freedom?

@wolfgang_h3t

3 ай бұрын

Because ya coulda just went a different, convoluted route and sat around 'enjoying lunch' for an hour! Or some bullshit like that...

@tarfeef101

3 ай бұрын

if that's something you enjoy and do reguarly, then don't personally I love EVs, and I love the idea of not paying for gas, but I also love driving hundreds of kms to trailheads before the sun rises for alpine starts, and coming back home at the end without waiting for fast charging on either end. i also love making road trips to different areas 6+ hours away after work Friday or on vacations for the same reason (mountains). I also love going offroad and do that regularly as well. so I don't have an EV, because it can't do all those things, and I can't have multiple vehicles. if i could, then I'd get one. Or if charging was good enough and/or range good enough to make it so I didn't have to wake up at 3am instead of 4am, etc, and they had good offroaders that weren't massive (i don't want anything bigger than a compact crossover rly), then I could but they don't, so i will wait until i can get a 2nd vehicle, or an EV can cover all my bases. and that's okay

@Parker-ub8xu

3 ай бұрын

Your government hates you and your freedom. Electric vehicles is just another example of them proving it.

@PumpUptheJam81

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, then don’t give up that freedom. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Great review...Clear and honest as always!!!

123 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 138 miles on a full 100% charge. Going as a normal EV road tripper with 10-80% charging schedule you have 100 miles of range while towing. While respectable it will be some years before Cybertruck / Rivian / F150 Lightning goes from ~130kWh to 150 kWh or 180 kWh battery. 150 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 168 miles, 10-80% = 118 miles 180 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 202 miles, 10-80% = 141 miles. The 10-80% is chosen because it takes about 30-35 minutes to charge perfect for a road trip. 80-100% usually takes another 30-40 minutes so you do not want to keep charging above 80% unless you are enjoying a good meal.

@pokerman9108

3 ай бұрын

100 miles is terrible.

@Arpedk

3 ай бұрын

@@pokerman9108 It is still 138 miles!

@pokerman9108

3 ай бұрын

@@Arpedk I can do that for 18 bucks and not worry about charging disconnecting the trailer to charge, etc... not worth it.

@xcpilot618

3 ай бұрын

@@Arpedk And if the charger is 139 miles you are f**ked

@goducgo

3 ай бұрын

Operating my Ram 2500 is still cheaper.

Hey Andre, you did your math backwards. 22 miles using 20 kWh of power is 1.1 miles per kilowatt hour.

@4literv6

3 ай бұрын

Pretty good based on gas at 33.7kwhs per gallon or diesel at 37.9kwhs a gallon in total useable energy. That's 35-40+mpge while towing a monster trailer with massive aero drag at hwy speeds. Combined weight of 15-17k pounds to! 👍🏻😎 My 2019 f-150xl here in ATL towing my little landscape trailer maxed at about 5k gets 9-12mpg. Which is over 3kwhs used per mile. 😅

@AdamFrugoli

3 ай бұрын

Can you help me with the math? I’m new trying to figure it out.

@supraman321na4

3 ай бұрын

​@@4literv6good on you for at least having an accurate understanding of the energy consumption, vast majority of people don't know how to compare at all. Battery chemistry tech advancement will considerably accelerate in the coming years due to increased investment and AI materials science research. Most people can't also understand that it is inevitable that as EVs achieve "more in the tank" via higher energy density and better chemistry, they are the only logical solution to powertrains and efficient transportation, combined with nuclear power and other nearly free energy production solutions. Why put all the effort in to getting oil out of the ground when we won't have to....

@supraman321na4

3 ай бұрын

@@AdamFrugoli 22÷20.......

@4literv6

3 ай бұрын

@@supraman321na4 excellently worded cogent analysis, few will be able to comprehend it who spent their lives sniffing gas fumes. 👍🏻 I've seen numbers claiming 10-12% of ALL our energy expended as a society is in the pursuit of finding more oil gas and coal deposits to exploit. Further 40-45% of ALL global shipping emissions is just to transport oil coal and methane gas(so called natural gas)supplies around the world. Meanwhile at every step of the way? Fossil fuels require insane amounts of electricity water and chemicals to process&extract them. Nevermind to transport and store the processed now consumable fuels. Using? Massive electric motors, batteries and electricity of course! 😀

For comparison: my Landcruiser (also heavy and permanent 4 wheel drive) towing an F 27 sailboat would get 150 miles range and I could not fill up just anywhere because the combination was 57 feet long… Towing large trailers is kinda special, gas or electric, because you have to make a plan for the trip.

@MetalZoned

3 ай бұрын

But the difference is you can carry fuel with you so you don't get stranded, there are gas stations where you can pull through, and refueling will take minutes. So even the worst case scenario of a land cruiser pulling a sailboat is much better than this.

@jtechie3

3 ай бұрын

Hey there I have the Same F27 I would think we could get 200 miles maybe. its only maybe 4k pounds. But the boat has a lot of drag!

@deankruse2891

3 ай бұрын

I have a Reynolds’s 33 and sometimes I just drop off the boat in a parking lot and circle back to get it after I fill up. BTW, I tow with a Toyota Tacoma 6spd manual.

@jpdirt289

3 ай бұрын

I have a 2023 RAM and I also have a Reynolds 21 but when I pull the Fboat on a full tank it's only like 70 miles. I loose a half a tank. The lake I'm at is small so I not allowed to leave it rigged which sucks. So I have to bring it back home. My Reynolds stays at the lake

@deankruse2891

3 ай бұрын

@@jpdirt289 it takes a whole day to rig the 33, the trimaran is the right call

Great video. Super fair and informative.

Towing any tandem axle trailer with the tongue to low on the tow vehicle, causing the trailer to nose dive exerts to much pressure on front axle and tires. Also, added pressure to the tow vehicle. The trailer needs to be leveled as much as possible with an adjustable drawbar ball ( similar to the one used in this video ) , weight distribution bars. Not leveling any type of trailer in tow exerts to much pressure on both trailer and tow vehicle. There are to many transport drivers and individuals towing trailers, not level. Just watch the next time you travel.

@shaunnightfire8269

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that was a rally poor hitch position by TFL.

@damnwereinatightspot

3 ай бұрын

Need to consider trailer balance / tongue weight too.

@samueldavis5895

Ай бұрын

Not everyone can afford to tow with ideal equipment it’s really that simple. You do what you gotta do. I remember towing my heavy duty dumper with a half ton pick up for almost 3 years because I couldn’t yet afford my 1 ton turbo diesel

It would take me 7 18:08 hours to get to our hunting spot! Not counting if it could even have enough juice left to make the 7 mile climb to camp! It only takes 3 1/4 hours now with enough diesel fuel left to hunt for 3 days.

@TheChrisschriner

3 ай бұрын

Does that include stopping for charging? Then if you’re deep dry camping you need a generator to charge it to get back into town.

@kenbob1071

3 ай бұрын

7 18:08 hours?? Wtf kind of time system are you using?

@deanmorris6679

3 ай бұрын

Don't know where the 18:08 came from.

@Picklemedia

3 ай бұрын

It's probably not suited for you

In Australia when towing, by law we have to be able to see the rear corner of the trailer so if we get this truck we would have to rig up something to add towing mirrors

@artistjoh

3 ай бұрын

There are too many safety issues with this vehicle for it to ever be legal to register in Australia, or in most of the developed world for that matter.

@MrBuyerman

3 ай бұрын

That's OK, this ego trip will never be sold outside the USA. Most countries have standards

HUGE HUGE detail! Thank you for mentioning pull through charging. This isn't usually considered, being that it is still new. If you tow, this is will be where you spend most of your time, and it takes a lot of time to charge. It can sometimes be difficult to find fueling stations that are pull through for fuel-based trucks towing a long trailer, but these are much more wide-spread and available. When I was driving through the mountains of Tennessee, I found a few stations that had EV chargers. They were stuffed in a back corner. Not the easiest to access in this particular scenario. Same setup for Buc-ee's as well. If you needed to recharge, you will need to drop your trailer somewhere out of the way of other vehicles for a period of time. Thanks for reading, and great video!

My dad and mom spent 12 years towing a 33' camper up and down the east coast as part of their retirement with a 96 f250 7.3 diesel and I can tell you that E truck would never work out on the highways pulling a camper, even the last few years of their trips were 300 mile days though the mountains and flat land. With the current battery tech it's still a high end golf cart. Someday maybe someone will find a new power cell, but I think it will never happen or even come close to a engine, gas, diesel and hydrogen will still offer way more time on the road, consistent power out put and greater distance.

@danharold3087

3 ай бұрын

Never is a long time away. A 4X improvement in energy density and you have that truck. 2X if you use the range extender. It will happen. Just don't know when.

@owainbennett663

3 ай бұрын

Stop and think for a minute. How technology has changed in your lifetime. 40 years ago we didn't have mobile phones. 15 Years ago we didn't have EV charging points in local places. The CT was shown towing without the range extender which will be available soon.

@miscellaneousdanger

3 ай бұрын

Needs to be more energy dense. The economics and efficiency of EV is orders of magnitude better than gas, but EV has gas equivalent of 5 gallon gas tank when towing in this video.

That wasnt the Ike Tow test give that thing some hills! and yes that steering wheel would drive me nuts!

@d0uble_O

3 ай бұрын

yeah, looks like he went full concervative on a liberal truck lol He should have let MR. America do it!

@mikefoehr235

3 ай бұрын

Imagine trying to back into a campsite....will that steering wheel by wire work?? I am very skeptical

@chrispnw2547

3 ай бұрын

It's things like this about Tesla that make me dislike the decision-makers at Tesla. The steering wheel and stalks are proven reliable so why change? Every time you have to unhook/re-hook to charge is an opportunity to make a simple mistake or forget something. To focus on a super-fast zero to 60 time at the expense of making towing bullet-proof indicates Tesla wants to remain a niche player in this segment. Ford's hitch technologies are far superior to what Tesla offers and fancy wheel covers is something no one asked for.

@danharold3087

3 ай бұрын

Do not have to see it on hills to know that regenerative braking mostly levels them out regarding energy consumption.

@wolfgang_h3t

3 ай бұрын

​@@mikefoehr235 Apparently another manufacturers have done steering by wire with success. But tesla can't even do roofs right, so...

Pretty good vid, and have enjoyed several of yours - thank you! My 2021 Yukon Denali has a trailer app that cycles between running, left/right turn signal, and brakes - so you can activate it and walk behind and verify all functions with just one walk-behind. Wasn't clear if Cybertruck has that? if not, seems like a no brainer that it should. The lack of lidar 'closeness' indicator on the dash seems like a negative in general - I've had this since my 2004 Cadillac and pretty detailed function on 2021 Yukon.

Great job. Thanks. I always enjoy you guy s.

Do a road trip that requires multiple fill ups/charges. Make it a race between an ev and a gas powered truck to see the time different. In this test you can also show the price difference between gas and recharging.

@Trdbrglr75

3 ай бұрын

This. Would be an epic series. Real apples to apples gas vs diesel vs electric. I’m thinking cyber truck(because of the charging network) Silverado half ton diesel and f150 eco boost.

@ericfrank814

3 ай бұрын

Doing some math … on a forum people posted it’s around 31 dollars for a Tesla truck charge … my diesel truck ave is 12 mpg towing a similar trailer … I can go around 350 miles on a tank …or 29 gallons …diesel for me is around 3.60 a gallon . cost me around 105 to fill. The cyber truck assuming it goes 100 miles per charge could cost around 108 to go the same distance. … now fuel prices vary and diesel can go way high but looks like that thing currently is more expensive to tow with …

@WhoThisGuy515

3 ай бұрын

@@ericfrank814 I live just south of the Denver area where they are located and If fuel is less than $3 a gallon it was cheaper to drive the Mustang than my EV. The price for electricity in CO is insane (.23 cents per KW at home) and if you can find a working fast charger you will easily pay $40 for a 30-80% charge.

@ericfrank814

3 ай бұрын

@@WhoThisGuy515 that’s interesting I don’t know much about the EV world only that generally it’s sold to customers as being a huge money saver over gas …. I have a feeling if the economy declines and electric rates continue to climb there is going to be a day or reckoning with electric manufactureres

@owainbennett663

3 ай бұрын

Why a race to the destination. Can't it be about the travel and relaxing anymore ?

Great video Andrey. As with all EV trucks you can tow, but for short (local) distances. Since most 1/2 ton trucks these days folks don't tow and don't really haul this could probably work for a lot of people who want a truck. Assuming you like the styling.

@pebmets

3 ай бұрын

Just because many people don;t tow with their trucks means CyberTruck is OK to do it not was well as others could.

@frankr111th

3 ай бұрын

@@pebmets eV’s are never going be able to tow as well as a diesel/ gas truck. If you need to tow regularly, EV’s are not the answer.

@frankr111th

3 ай бұрын

@@ZIGZAGBureauofInvestigation I don’t worry about how people choose to spend their money. I would not buy one, but that’s me.

@microbiologycory10

3 ай бұрын

Thinking about it this it seems so counterintuitive…consumption rate changes should be more consistent …my 2010 Tundra 5.7L gasser gets 14 combined and 10 towing a similar load (geared very low;4:30 w/tow pkg). Its range goes from 330 to 240 pulling this trailer…CT goes from 330 to

@pebmets

3 ай бұрын

@@frankr111th That is not how Musk sold it. He was boasting about towing in his presentation. He and many EV people said CT will be much better. The CT is somewhere between an SUV and a Pickup. If it can't do things even a 1/2 ton pickup can do, then the CT should not be be called a pickup truck.

if you use that hitch, you should use the weight distribution bars, otherwise, in this case, look how far away the ball is from the truck. Anytime you put a longer lever (distance away from truck) you can cause problems. That's why 5th wheel/gooseneck tow nice, they move that point so far forward it's over the axle. just something to consider.

12:36 you can use the camera button on the steering wheel for the side cameras

I think the steering wheel control over emergency braking is cool. Never understood why most manufacturers place the brake controller in the worst position for emergency braking. Would like to see OEM placement better (not necessarily on the steering wheel).

It would be good to do a head to head EV pickup truck towing range comparison.

@laloajuria4678

3 ай бұрын

ironically they are all near as makes no difference the same. which is why its hilarious qElmo sold different expectations 4 years later.....

@Itsa_Mea

3 ай бұрын

It'd be like watching a snail marathon.

@wolfgangpreier9160

3 ай бұрын

@@Itsa_Mea True, Burning fossil fuel is much better when towing a trailer. Its so good for your childrens health.

@TroySavary

3 ай бұрын

Easy win for Silverado EV. Not even in the same ballpark.

@Itsa_Mea

3 ай бұрын

@@wolfgangpreier9160 I ❤️ 🦕 fuels. China and other industrial countries have a far greater impact. Nevermind the manufacturing of the battery packs for the EVs. I'll take the gas/diesel vehicles anyday.

16:40 That is best case scenario. Imagine towing through Wyoming on a windy cold day which is just about everyday in Wyoming 😂 Great video like always TFL!

Regarding the side mirror view to see the tire of the trailer, you would see a video on the main screen that shows the trailer tires and as far as 3 lanes over, which is better than any side mirror could ever show you. BUT, you have to put the turn signal on in order to access that view.

Hope Eric is willing to take a trip to the Ike!

@maxkendal5152

3 ай бұрын

He'll be doing that next year, if he leaves now!

Towing with any EV is not only impractical, it's laughable.

@pierredelecto7069

3 ай бұрын

If you are only going 40-50 miles each way it's perfect.

@drewelliott9062

3 ай бұрын

@pierredelecto7069 This wasn't even a heavy load and he was only going 55 MPH. If he was going 70 or 75 like half the states in the US it wouldn't make it 100 miles on a charge. This thing is in the same weight class as a 3/4 ton truck that could tow this trailer for 350 miles on one tank of fuel.

@pierredelecto7069

3 ай бұрын

@@drewelliott9062 yeah it's not going to be a hot shot truck that's for sure. It's surprisingly rare though how much people use their trucks to tow. It's like 10% of trucks that tow even once per month. Like 20% tow once per year. 70% never tow. These days people buy trucks as commuter vehicles. I think that's the target. Same way most people who buy range rovers never go off-road. Most people who buy a Porsche never take it to a track.

@drewelliott9062

3 ай бұрын

@pierredelecto7069 Yeah I'm not debating this could be a good option for those who don't drive far or often but pretending like EVs are good tow vehicles is dishonest and you're right that most people who own half ton trucks dont tow often but most people who own heavy duty trucks do tow fairly often though. I think it would be better for EVs to stay in their lane and stop pretending to be something that they are not.

@pierredelecto7069

3 ай бұрын

@@drewelliott9062 yeah I'm not seeing these things be marketed to haulers. They are getting marketed to dentists and accountants. Guys who make good money and want a sporty neat EV truck. I'm typing this inside my ram 5500 tow truck. It won't replace my diesel any time soon.

Got it. 100 miles per charge. Thanks for the review!

I haven't gotten to the end of the video yet, but I hope you will address how well the mirrors work vs traditional truck extended side mirrors.

All the controls being on various "menu" screens, gives me anxiety... Bring back knobs and buttons!

@ItalianMetalHED

3 ай бұрын

thank you for saying this, omg i hate not having any tactile feedback and having another scaled up smart phone!! if the software bugs out i wont feel in control lol

@alanmay7929

3 ай бұрын

@@ZIGZAGBureauofInvestigation it's built for what?! Lol!!!!! What a lame argument

@johnfurr6060

3 ай бұрын

Heck no. I love the model 3 screen interior. Nice and clean and everything is on the computer screen you could ever need. Screw a bunch of knobs and buttons that can break and fail. Plus they are ugly

@ItalianMetalHED

3 ай бұрын

haha thats a non existent thing to worry about, software bugs out and unpredictable. Buttons/knobs only break if your're smashing on them and even so they still would work! I have yet to have any issues with them in all of the cars ive driven especially in my ten year old mazda 3 (2014). How much starbucks do you drink? lol@@johnfurr6060

@palebeachbum

3 ай бұрын

@@johnfurr6060 If a button fails, the rest of the buttons function. If a screen fails, everything is broken.

Awesome viewer to let you drive his cybertruck! Towing and ev’s don’t mix for distance. Lake runs with a boat could be doable. Even with the quirks I’d still take the CT over my F-150 EB.

@otm646

3 ай бұрын

There is a lot to be gained in trailer efficiency. Also really sit down and figure out how often you are towing long distances, this would be an option for a lot more people than you initially realize. I have towed a U-Haul trailer behind a Model 3, with about a 50% range reduction. We were headed about 300 mi, that really wasn't bad. That sad we were on the east coast with supercharging infrastructure everywhere.

Any app, Tesla or Ford system lets you pick the chargers you want (level 1,2 or 3). You’re not showing up to a charger blind. It usually calculates your charging times immediately upon entering your destination. Most of these trips you could plan out yourself on an app like ABRP (a better route planner) and see the options.

Does it allow any more ADAS features while towing or is it the same as other Tesla Models where SCC increases follow distance but autosteer is disabled?

Hope you get your cybertruck soon will really test off-road.

Wow efficiency is pretty low at those slow tow speeds. Imagine what they would be for your 75 mph tow test. Probably 65-70 miles. Ouch.

@is6566

3 ай бұрын

And this test was done in sunny perfect probably 70 degrees California weather. Try that in Wyoming’s January weather.

@TexasStormChaser

3 ай бұрын

If you're towing a camper that size going 75 mph on the highway you should be thrown in jail. You can't stop, you can't avoid hazards, and a slight crosswind can blow you off the road.

@purpletigerracing7087

3 ай бұрын

​@TexasStormChaser, I take it you've never seen a Semi pulling a 53 foot trailer 70+ mph on the highway. 65 is pretty much average. Most new trucks are governed at 75 mph from the factory, unless you ask them for slower speeds or no governor. Lol

@TexasStormChaser

3 ай бұрын

@@purpletigerracing7087 This might come as a surprise, but a semi truck is designed to tow a heavy load and stop at highway speeds. Your truck is not.

@purpletigerracing7087

3 ай бұрын

@@TexasStormChaser it may come as a surprise, that I've been driving a big truck for 15 years and own an F150. With properly rated tires, 75mph is not exactly magical. I think we're done here.

remember to pump up the tires on the trailer too (caravan owners often use aero surfaces when towing )

Well done. An honest review.

This video will blow up. Unfortunately people have to see for themselves that these cybertrucks can’t efficiently tow. Nothing beats a diesel.

@ItalianMetalHED

3 ай бұрын

i wish i could afford a diesel! I am even trying to get an older diesel truck (not the power stroke 6.0) haha

@omardevonlittle3817

3 ай бұрын

You sound foolish. Nobodys buying these to tow. Such a weird obsession lately. How off road worthy how much does it tow? Fun fact: nobody cares. 😂

@ItalianMetalHED

3 ай бұрын

@@omardevonlittle3817 it’s a truck, what do trucks do? They tow, Elon even touted its ability to tow.

@titaniummechanism3214

3 ай бұрын

I can tow very efficiently, more so than any diesel ever can, it just can't do it for long distances. And that is the only reason why I wouldn't buy an EV over an ICE car, if I had to tow things on a regular basis.

@WhoThisGuy515

3 ай бұрын

@@ItalianMetalHED 75% of people in the U.S. who own trucks do not tow or only tow 1 time a year. Trucks are not work vehicles anymore, they are grocery getters. Just the way it is now so no, towing doesn't really matter.

Just poured my first cup ☕️ Timing couldn’t be better with this post 😏

@dpav02

3 ай бұрын

Same! It was amazing to wake up and enable to watch this video on a Sunday morning.

Note that steering wheel size is normally dictated by how much torque you needed to apply to it to turn the mechanical steering linkage. You could reduce the force required on the steering wheel by increasing the ratio (more turns of the steering wheel needed to turn the wheels x degrees). Or by increasing the diameter of the steering wheel (hands need to move a greater distance to turn the wheels x degrees). With hydraulic or electronic steering assist, the design engineer has to fine-tune all this to provide comfortable steering feel. With wire-controlled steering, none of this is necessary. You can just program the computer to require x turns of the steering wheel to turn the wheels x degrees (even vary it based on angle). And tune the computer-controlled feedback force to whatever is comfortable (dunno if Tesla has implemented this). In fact they could offer a variety of different steering wheel sizes (or make an adjustable wheel), and let you tune all this stuff yourself.

The best combination for me is having a little improved 1965 Ford Mustang fastback and a Toyota Corolla pluginhybrid wagon!

This truck won't replace a cummins for guys who tow for work or do a lot of recreational towing at a distance. Thats like 25% of truck owners though. For most suburban guys who just like having a truck it will still work fine.

@GunnyMac360

3 ай бұрын

Finally someone with some common sense 👏

Lets see you put it on the Ike. Full capacity. It wont make it up without a charge.

Ok , I live in San Diego California, and frequently have driven to Eastern Sierra Nevada’s for recreational camping trips towing our almost exact trailer setup as in this video . With our 2002 GMC Sierra LB-7 powered Diesel with 6” lift kit and on 37” tires I could drive comfortably all the way to where Highway 395 met up with Highway 58 and top off my fuel tank in probably less than 20 minutes including bathroom breaks for the wife & kids ( usually around 3 hrs into my 5-1/2 -6 hour trip to near either Lone Pine California or Bishop California, and at Bishop it would have been around 320 miles or so from home . Traffic conditions varied on EVERY trip due to weather , Highway construction & the never ending flow of other cars & trucks sharing the roads . If all conditions were normal , I averaged around 12-14 mpg at 55-62 mph and we always arrived with plenty of time to get to camp , set up , eat etc. IF I had one of these Wonder-Tesla rigs I wouldn’t even make it probably past Temecula ( about 65 miles ) before having to start searching for a charging station as the road climbs steadily from where I live , and then take whatever time it took to recharge to 100% again before continuing on our journey again . Out in middle of nowhere is NOT the place to see your vehicles “ fuel range” ( or electric in this case ) nearing Zero with no refueling stations in sight , and so I always carried 2 five gallon motorcycle quick fill gas cans with spare diesel “ just in case “ as ten gallons would get us easily another 120-140 miles on down the highway . I’ve yet to see spare “ Kilowatt “ fill cans , and carrying a portable generator ( be it diesel or gasoline powered ) along to give energy peace of mind is just as crazy as buying one of these useless trucks in the first place . Plus if you have to run ANY electrical accessories as in the heater , radio , wipers , games for kids to watch in transit to keep your sanity , then towing range is reduced even further . No thanks Washington , Tesla , and anyone else who wants to shove EV’s down My throat . I’ll take my now 22 year old truck over one of these overpriced & unpractical vehicles ANY DAY OF THE YEAR . Sorry…..🤨

@PumpUptheJam81

3 ай бұрын

This truck is not meant for people who tow long distances but thanks for sharing, fellow San Diegan.

Finally, Cybertruck content!!!

I am a Tesla Model Y owner who takes two 3000 mile round trips in my model Y per year with no issues at all, and also has a down payment on a Cybertruck. The 3 hour highway range, and fast supercharging time of 18-24 minutes for most stops really works well with cross country travel. I am really disappointed in the small battery pack and will probably not be able to take ownership of my truck unless they come up with the previously announced 500 mile EPA rated vehicle in the next few years. My usage requirement is exactly what you were testing, and I need 180 miles 10-80% range, with similar charging times to my Model Y. That will never happen without a model with well over 200 kWh battery capacity and a V4 charging network. A massive improvement in 4680 battery chemistry is needed combined with a physically larger pack, but the current Cybertruck is a non starter for cross country RV towing. Very disappointed at the delivered vehicle specs which is not even as efficient as a Rivian, especially with what Tesla was able to achieve with the Tesla Semi. I feel Tesla really botched this one. Hopefully this is a test bed for better things to come.

@PD-we8vf

3 ай бұрын

Tesla didn’t achieve anything with the Tesla semi.

So doing 65mph on the interstate in below 40F you can tow for about 75 miles and have to charge for 3hrs😂

@jcautodesign

3 ай бұрын

Tell me you don't know how EV charging works without telling me you don't know how EV charging works.

@RossMalagarie

3 ай бұрын

@@jcautodesign on a large battery EV on a fast charger going from 20% to 80% takes how long? 2hrs? Ok now from 20% to 80% on a non fast charger takes how long? Over 3hrs? So on that trip on the interstate where there will not be a fast charger and you have to us a slow charger it will take over 3hrs right? Ok just like I said

@missionman19

3 ай бұрын

@@jcautodesigneither way your still stoping every 90 miles. And minimum of at least 30 min to charge up probly longer. My truck I can travel 350 miles with my 35 ft camper and it only takes 5 min to fuel up. Also the visibility is much better. Seems like a safer bet is still an oil based engine vehicle. Maybe a company could make some extended mirrors for the cyber truck maybe. But the other reality is just plain as ugly.

@jcautodesign

3 ай бұрын

@@RossMalagarie supercharger for 20-80% would typically be 30 minutes or so. Once V4 350kw charges are out it will be even less.

@cecil5152

3 ай бұрын

@@jcautodesignTell me you drank the Kool-aid without telling me you drank the Kool-aid.

CA and the word "fix" in the same sentence 😂 good one!

They should add the dotted line down the middle for the ball hitch on the back up camera. Our Ford work trucks have these and they're pretty reliable.

I want to see what happens to a camper trailer when the cyber beast does a full speed launch towing one of them!

@campingeast

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I wouldn't advise that 😅

That’s about half the distance I could travel with my 2019 Silverado 5.3. I get about 9 mpg towing the same trailer loaded up. The key to this will be electric trailers with assistance push

@owainbennett663

3 ай бұрын

The trailer with regen brakes would be the go. As you stop, charges the battery. Downhill would be awesome.

@currentsupply

3 ай бұрын

We need better batteries and the problem is solved. Like imagine if the battery could charge in 15 minutes but have 5x the capacity. Of course this would strain the heck out of the current electrical distribution system. But that could be offset with some sort of local storage that could dump major watts on demand

@currentsupply

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I have a f150 and a trailer similar to this one, and I get 11mpg. But I never have a problem pulling through to get gas and snacks. 100mile range is really a 50 mile range as you have to get back to the charger.

@rowerwet

3 ай бұрын

Batteries are heavy and would hurt trailer weight limits and truck tow capacity. They're also incredibly expensive for something you're going to use a few times a year.

@Mathis218337

3 ай бұрын

With the range extender it would be close to that Silverado. Obviously charging is still the issue but CT has 800v would charge quite a bit. Just need more v4 with pull through.

Well done. Clearly for those doing a lot of towing, the range extender would help a fair amount. I imagine having battery powered trailers would be one of the solutions to consider, and that are already coming to market.

Ok, Next challenge: Go back, charge it up, and tow the trailer over 'The Grapevine'. (5 freeway from L.A. to Bakersfield) Or, take the 15 freeway from San Bernardino, to Victorville! THAT'S the report I'm waiting to see!!

Has this time for the Quadrasteer finally arrived? I thought it was a great idea when GM offered it from 2002 through 2005. I was very impressed with it at the time.

@danharold3087

3 ай бұрын

So it seems. With the 48V system and steer by wire already in the truck it is much less mechanically complex. Maybe a lot simpler to implement. The most telling is that it is not an option.

@justinr9753

3 ай бұрын

Seeing it give out on the front crash test is kinda unsettling.

@americanrambler4972

3 ай бұрын

@@justinr9753 I am not so sure that it “gave out” in the crash test video. I suspect what we saw was the steering motor was being actuated in some way. It will be interesting to see the under chassis videos if any were taken and are released. It definitely was surprising and somewhat disturbing to see the rear wheels flopping back and forth during the crash.

15:59 ok math is hard, i get it. but 892 wh/mi is 1.12 mi/kwh......not 0.9.

@Killahpriest35

3 ай бұрын

Go play with your dogs

Love your test. Thanks. I do,a lot of TT towing your comment on tow mirrors is spot on. However I purchased wireless cameras that mount on the forward side marker lights on both sides and a rear view camera. This system has a separate screen with multiple views of each camera. I can foresee how Tesla could incorporate such a system in upgraded versions of Cyber trucks eliminating the need for larger towing mirrors. Are you listening Tesla?

In many places in Northern Ontario it is 200 miles or more between settlements. In between is absolutely nothing but trees and rocks. Thats is on the TransCanada Highway, the only coast to coast highway in Canada. Get into back country and it gets worse.

Perfect for us towing a 22ft aluminum V nose snowmobile trailer. Likely get better than 2 hours usable range. We are already in snow Country so don't need really long tows. Even when we were south this still would have worked. A pee and lunch break after 2 hours and then another hour or so to our hotel. Load up to go home, have lunch after an hour and charge up, then 2 hours home. 🍻 Happy with my reservation.

It's a great street truck and a great way to lose a lot of money in a truck and have MAJOR costly repairs! I got my Eco diesel Jeep Gladiator Rubicon on a great deal while they are still left on lots if your luck to get one. What a dream truck that will go places that cyber will never go and get a range of 500 miles!

@danharold3087

3 ай бұрын

The cost of repair is still to be determined. If we can go by the online parts catalog it maybe significantly less expensive to repair. The paint cost on a F150 will about pay for the new CT SS sheet metal. I suspect that replacement can be done by a mechanic rather than a bodyman. Bolts on.

@Good-luck-Jonathan

3 ай бұрын

@@danharold3087 You can see what people pay for features that don't work. The motor for the tail gate is going to cost a lot and they make you repair with them. How much is the truck fully loaded 120k?? Then the battery cost for the max range I hope will be less then 20k to replace in 15 years or so. The range is nearly half of my truck and takes me 5 mins to fill up and go another 500 miles with my fuel sipping eco diesel.

@danharold3087

3 ай бұрын

@@Good-luck-Jonathan John. Cybertruck Does not have a motorized tail gate. The $120 is only the Foundation trucks which include FSD and a bottle opener. Get back to me when your not burning fuel.

@Good-luck-Jonathan

3 ай бұрын

@@danharold3087 I'm referring to the motorized hatch cover in the back. $$$ to repair that. It has a range of only 320 miles for the top trim lol It's very fast though but $100k+ should be. It's a lot of $$$ and can't go serious off-roading if that is what your looking to do like I am. Dan Get back to me when your done charging Lol

@danharold3087

3 ай бұрын

​@@Good-luck-Jonathan "the motor for the *tail gate* is going to cost a lot " This type of cover over a pickup *bed* is a *tonneau^ cover. Have a nice life.

I am strong believer that all trucks have a target demographic and those who plan on towing on a regular basis may want to look at other options. Frequent needs to charge, possibly needing to unhook and drop the trailer, what for an hour or two to charge, reload the trailer and continue on your way only to do it again in another hundred miles seems like a lot of effort. I can definitely see a hybrid or ICE vehicle as a better option if time and ease of travel are important. and let's not forget those tiny windows are not really travel or truck friendly.

@howebrad4601

3 ай бұрын

You are correct, however ive been told by the ev aficionados over and over that evs are superior in every way, and only a Neanderthal would drive an ice.

You men at TFL are the best, problem is most people don't and can't afford a cell phone on wheels. Andre, did you forget about Quadrasteer? Go find an older GMT800 truck or SUV that has it and buy it.

You've been working with Roman for twenty years now? Might it be that trailer charging in America is different than in Europe? Towing is very common in Europe; Tesla should anticipate on this, I guess. 😎. Like to see critical notes about this truck. The overload of power. Wear and tear of tires (nobody talks about this) and other issues. Thank you for making this. 🙏👌

@jamesgeorge4874

3 ай бұрын

The cyber trough is a vanity project for the wealthy. It's enough of a truck to satisfy those who want to be _seen_ in a truck. Real tradesmen who _need_ real trucks, to do real truck things, like pipeline welders, carpenters/construction guys, and cold climate, long distance /off grid journey folks, off road expeditions, etc, will stick to real trucks, not grid bound electric look-at-me trucks.

@wolfgangpreier9160

3 ай бұрын

Yes, you ar right, every one of my neighbors has a 30 meter long trailer @ home and drives around with it all the time. Grocery shopping, Bison hunting, Mastodon killing etc. They use their VW Polo and Ford Fiesta, some even have this big ass Suzuki SJ410 to tow their 40 ton farmhouses all the time. Why should a 3 ton vehicle from Tesla have more tire wear and tear than a 3 ton vehicle from VW, Audi, Mercedes?

@jamesgeorge4874

3 ай бұрын

@@wolfgangpreier9160 Tire life is dictated by the _drivers habits_ and use. Aggressive drivers wear tires faster. People who tow heavy, frequently, wear drive tires faster too. Part of the reason vehicles designed to tow, have duals on the drive axles. If you drive a tesla like an 80 year old, you can probably get decent tire life out of it.....

@wolfgangpreier9160

3 ай бұрын

@@jamesgeorge4874 Our trucks all drive duallies to reduce the tire pressure on the roads. And their tires last a looong time. Mine ast as long as before on the outdated VW Diesels. 40.000km for each set, Summer and winter. We have to change each season, thats mandatory. Some vehicles are allowed All season tires, but those are ecptions. Even trucks must change twice ech year. We are not allowed below 3mm on winter and 1.6 millimeters on summer tires. Trucks have of course different, larger limits. Otherwise it gets expensive and the insurances do not pay anymore. If trucks are found with wrong tres, lower thread depth or defective brakes it can get into the thousands of Euros in fines very fast. I drive my Tesla slower than before my VW Caddy with 100 HP. Because i can. One minute more over 100km distance. Top Speed 130 km/h on the Autobahn. Thats enough for me. The Germans drive not slower than 250 at least. But here in Austria 130 is enough. If that is slow for you - I can live with it.

@TheAnnoyingBoss

3 ай бұрын

I thought the cybertruck was banned in europe hecause they had so many people walking around theyre scared of the sharp vehicles

"California? When are you going to fix that? It's not 1981 anymore." How I feel about that entire state described in one statement. Beautiful Andre. Lmao.

@tfl no one in the know ever siad the cyber truck couldn't tow. They're impractical as pickup trucks used for hauling and towing. And the design is ridiculous.

If using the CT to tow heavy regularly then there is the battery extender option to increase the towing range

@tfltruck can you guys double check your math on efficiency? 893 Wh/mi is equivalent to .893 kWh/mi, which is 1.12 mi/kWh. So it was slightly better than you made it seem in the video.

@meko1896

3 ай бұрын

Good catch. I noticed that too just took me awhile to find your comment.

@is6566

3 ай бұрын

All these scientists in this thread. Math schmath bla bla bla. I feel I am in high school again with Ms Jones. 😃

🤣lucky you have that trailer to make dinner and go to bed while you charge

@is6566

3 ай бұрын

Actually, you are right. It’s pretty nifty.

@zigadabooga

3 ай бұрын

It takes 35 minutes to charge wtf you talking about

@armadilllo

3 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣yeah right, after you wait 45 minutes or more for the other people to charge provided you can find a charger that works then unhook your trailer and park it somewhere then hook it back up. Worst truck ever, try reaching over that funky triangle bed to reach anything in the back.@@zigadabooga

Seemed a little noisy in the cab in the video. The whine of the electic motors would drive me nuts. Sounded like lots of road noise. 64db at 25mph, other trucks at full workload towing up hill were around 64db. Hard to judge the noise on video, maybe it's quieter than it seemed.

@woodrowwilson3581

3 ай бұрын

The lightning was doing 58db up the Ike at 60+ 😂

Something like the new Pebble RV with its own battery and "dual motor Active Propulsion Assist System" would extend the range. Also remember can charge both the Cybertruck and the RV at the campsites that let you.

90% of trucks driving on Texas roads are not towing. People like myself use these vehicles as commuting vehicles because they offer superior comfort and safety, towing is just the added benefit.

@bobbybishop5662

3 ай бұрын

Source for that 90%?

@LJLion

3 ай бұрын

@@bobbybishop5662 purely subjective based upon my own observation because I drive for living. I'm on the road 10 hours out of 24.

@bobbybishop5662

3 ай бұрын

@@LJLion That's what I figured . No real facts to back it up.

@LJLion

3 ай бұрын

@@bobbybishop5662 facts are just mere observations mathematically confirmed. If I'm driving and all I see based upon my sample size are trucks driving unladen, that's enough wisdom to inform me of some reality. Been driving a truck for 15 years, I'd towed once from Georgia to Texas. Unless you're a farmer or contractor, regular folks just drive giant truck for the comfort of it. They ain't towing on regular basis.

@bobbybishop5662

3 ай бұрын

@@LJLion lol , your evaluation is meaning less , just your opinion .

The fact that they used diesel to get the trailer to the test speaks volumes

@derekk6906

3 ай бұрын

Same with all KZread truck review channels, always have buddy with walkie talkie and ICE vehicle following behind whenever on a EV towing review trip.

@nathanbillingsley42

3 ай бұрын

Both trucks are owned by the same person. They started from the owners property. They didn't use the diesel truck to tow it to the test.

@johnfurr6060

3 ай бұрын

It literally say's nothing what-so-ever. The fact that he only got 100mliles of range does speak volumes though.

Good video. I wish you covered auto pilot with the trailer. I am a current model Y owner and auto pilot is a heaven on a long range trip. I currently tow my 21’ travel trailer with Toyota Tacoma truck. having an auto pilot feature with Cybertruck I ordered would solve my driving stress.

The critics never say EV’s can’t tow. It’s the range that’s the issue, especially here in Australia when we go even partially remote. And hardly any charge stations are pull through so you have to take the caravan off the hitch when you want to charge. Then there’s the inconvenience of waiting for the charge… remember the average landcruiser turbo diesel can easily get a 400-600km range in about 3 minutes and that includes paying for the fuel. Then you can drive to some place nice in nature to have some lunch and coffee

Im sure it performs great as long as you camping destination is the next charging station lol

It still looks like a dunce cap. That trailer was the typical size that I towed when hot-shotting. I ran 65 mph and could get 300 miles with a comfortable amount of reserve out of my 34-gallon fuel tank. My typical day was to run stints of 2-2.5 hours. Go 120-150 miles, take a rest break. Do another stint, fill with fuel. Then repeat that process in the afternoon and end the day by filling the tank, ready for the next day. That was routine performance for my aging diesel Dodge, but judging by the performance of the Cybertruck in this video, people would consider it miraculous.

@lonerider5315

3 ай бұрын

Imagine thinking someone's buying this because they impressed by its towing... Why do yall keep yelling fire at the fish 😂😂😂

@gonridnponcho

3 ай бұрын

@@lonerider5315 Imagine listening to Tesla fanbois talk this dumpster fire up for 5 years and it can't even tow a basic trailer from town to town in the western states. Then the truth finally comes out and they have to eat crow, So they try to move the goalpost by saying it was never intended to do truck stuff, To go from Las Vegas to SoCal, a standard 3.5 hour drive at highway speed that can be done on one tank of fuel in a diesel truck towing, you would have to stop and recharge how many times? Adding how much time to the trip? And god forbid you actually want to go camping in the mountains. I guess you could coast home if it was all downhill, maybe get enough juice to run the A.c from the regen? It's too expensive to run local deliveries for a small business, And based on what we've seen so far it is a pig off road. And now it can't tow, which means it can't haul a payload either. Are they even insurable if your name isn't Pharrell? It's a station wagon, a grocery getter., a mall crawler with a Gucci tag.

@keithwilson1554

3 ай бұрын

And still pumping cancer causing Gas to everyone around you whilst contributing to Global Warming and making your Children's Future even harder. You must be Proud

@robertchapman4488

3 ай бұрын

Still trying to figure out why anybody would buy it at all ​@@lonerider5315

@smithjones1906

3 ай бұрын

@@lonerider5315 You make a fair point. We don't want to disparage the hammer for not being a screwdriver. But I must ask in that case, what is this vehicle for? Carrying bags of mulch? Driving on dirt roads? How is a Maverick not better for that? Or is it for social status if you can own one for the first year following release, until it becomes blasé and we send it on its way to the next shmuck?

When you take the Ev truck to a charger... i pretty sure you will end up dropping the trailer and re attaching every time you charge the truck... The good side is the Rv most likly has a generator on it to charge the truck in a pinch. the range is also going to be less than half the range the ram 3500 can tow trailer on 1 fillup.

Now let’s also take into account that most people will not be towing that large of a trailer. I would like to see a much smaller trailer being towed and see what the results are like. What would be the most efficient size/weight camper to tow with? Maybe you guys can test this!

I'll stick with my f-250. I towa lott of stuff. In all kinds of templates. It sounds like I would be stopping multiple times in a trip to recharge this thing. And sitting there for 30 minutes. To do so. Turning a 3-hour trip into a 4 or 5-hour trip. This thing is a mall crawler. Out of the city, your route is dependent on where there is a charger. I can carry extra fuel with me. After the cool factor and the look at me wears off. I dont think sales are going to be that robust in the future. But hey, what do I know.

@davidmckibbin4440

3 ай бұрын

i agree

@westcoastplinkin6559

3 ай бұрын

If they offer a smaller version, sales will be through the absolute roof. Not everyone needs a huge F250. Majority of sedan drivers can easily replace sedans with small pickups. We've had one Toyota pickup for 30+ years in our family. Never needed anything bigger than that. For people that need big trucks, they are there. You have plenty to choose from. For people that just want small trucks, our options are more limited.

@achasilas6535

3 ай бұрын

Well most people do not use their trucks like you do. Infact less than 10% of truck owners use their trucks for truck duties. Tesla will sell every single one of these they can make for many years to come to the urban truck users Just fine. Your complain could be said about electric cars in general but we see their sale numbers keep going up in America and across the world.

@michaelfincham2749

3 ай бұрын

WOW! Didn't mean to insult your messiah Elon. That is only since the us government made it impossible for US auto makers to make any money with cars. Other than Muscal cars. They can't compete with Asia and Eurupe. So, they started pushing trucks on people. Due to the lighter regulations. these people don't even need a utilitarian vehicle. That 10% used to be the main target demo for trucks in the 90s and later. But hey, like I said. What do I know?@@achasilas6535

@bobbybishop5662

3 ай бұрын

​@@achasilas6535Source for that 10% claim ?

Wouldn't it be better to turn your trailer brake gain down more than that to maximise your regen?

@Rossco84

3 ай бұрын

I would say it is a balance of safety over regen. He normally tows with a gain of 5 so it’s a good test for him.

@otm646

3 ай бұрын

Trailer gain need to be set completely independently. It is a safety system. First and foremost. Trying to limit your trailer braking so the truck gets more regeneration is irresponsible if not reckless.

Once again a very interesting video, presented in an entertaining way. A badass truck, but somehow also super cool. That's just the future.

Great review. Thank you. Can you do one with the extended range battery pack? I think that would be a popular option for those of us who tow regularly. Also could you maybe test tow something like an airstream Basecamp 20? Many of us tow smaller trailers as well. The Basecamp 20 is airstreams most popular trailer right now. Thanks again.

Id be more interested in seeing the cybertruck being towed. I think that will be more frequent than it towing.

Wow. Andre... per DOT your breakaway cable needs to be attached to an area on the truck that is no part of the receiver, or hitch, or towable unit. 3:53 Most people are unaware of this. So many accidents have been due to a complete receiver failing where it attached to the frame of the tow vehicle. For any of my trucks, I've put a small threaded hole somewhere in the under side of my bumper (or bed for gooseneck trailers) and put an eye lag bolt there. This ensures that should the receiver itself be improperly welded or rusting, that my trailers won't go hauling themselves down the freeway with my receiver on the front. Some people will just install a lag eye bolt on place of a license plate bolt on the back of their truck to do the same job.

@wilmarbarrick3194

3 ай бұрын

Statute? I'm not saying it's a bad idea but I don't think it's illegal.

@EliteNK

3 ай бұрын

Good eye

@ALMX5DP

3 ай бұрын

@@wilmarbarrick3194agreed, DOT/FMVSS just say it has to be present and work but I’ve never seen specifics on attachment points.

@wilmarbarrick3194

3 ай бұрын

​​@@ALMX5DPit's the problem with this channel... Lots of talk, little facts (at least from the viewers)

I could see future trailers having onboard batteries with an extra power cable that feeds back to the towing vehicle. This could address towing range issues without requiring massive batteries on the truck, and would also provide some interesting advantages like the capability for regen on the trailer and campers not requiring external power at camp sites. Actually, I'm kind of surprised Tesla hasn't been playing around with this idea already. A camper is also big enough that you could play around with having rooftop solar on it that feeds into the onboard battery (not necessarily just to extend range further, but maybe moreso for providing a way to collect power when camped in remote locations without external power). As an electrification leader, Tesla needs to be working on a standard for a shared power feed between truck and trailer.

Well, leaving aside practical questions, I think it's pretty remarkable that battery tech has reached the stage where an EV can tow a load that large, with that air resistance, for 100 miles at highway speed. Other thing is that if you want/need to do this sort of thing (which I expect is a minority), there's the range extender.

Abysmal numbers if you actually look at towing with it. That little range with finding a charging station and having to wait while charging every couple of hours is a hard pass.

@TheAnnoyingBoss

3 ай бұрын

Theres a lotta abysmal things about it in my personal opinion. Tesla is miffed they have to put mirriors on it im here like yo a mirrior doesnt need a camera and wires and screens. A mirrior is real time. Theyre steering wheel phobic keep trying to normalize rectangles and triangles. Screaming efficiency affordability and enviormentalism is just hypocracy to me. Because all the opposite is true 😂 theyre like "mirrors cause wind resistence" yet an f150 with mirriors wind resists its way right past them at all the charging stations across the country. Im like man these people idk if they know what the priorities should be. I do like that its not weak aluminum. I dont like how they say 500 mile range and then at the same time theyre like "but really though youre not supposed to use the bottom 20% or top 20% most of the time if you want it to last longer" thats 40%... 40%.... thats a 40% loss a significant amount of the time. They say if you supercharge it too much it also reduces its lifespan as if thats not their only option to actually drive literslly anywhere at all outside their local area in a not so timely manner even then with it. Its not really super charging its just bot trickle charging becsuse if they had to trickle charge it would take wons to drive across to anywhere at all

I’m not a fan of Teslas but I think I’m the only person who doesn’t think EVs and long distance driving. Why everyone online thinks about these 2 things together, are clowns. EVs are great for city driving and towing trailers within a city will be perfect for the range.

Andre, if I'm not mistaken, you may have the math backwards... 22miles on 20kwhrs should be about (22/20=1.1miles/kwhr). So, if we're talking about 123kw battery, potentially getting 135 miles approx. But of course that is 100% to 0% charge. Also, the top version can tow twice the weight, but I gotta say that 7,000lbs isn't much for even a 1/2 ton truck... towing with electric pickups seems pretty useless unless you're really close and there are some fast-chargers at a camp-site.

Wonder how the rear wheel steering will be when backing a trailer?

123 divide by .892 = 138 miles you can get

@is6566

3 ай бұрын

You are such a pedantic stickler. 😃

So how long would it take you to move that trailer 300 miles? 2 business days?

@TheAnnoyingBoss

Ай бұрын

"Best truck ever" elon saysn😂

Ev makes sense for commuting to work and around town but it's just not practical for towing, just like a big diesel truck is silly for driving to work and around town but excellent for towing. In California you're required to use a weight distribution hitch for towing anything over 5k.

@daveallen8248

3 ай бұрын

Where do you get the info regarding WDH rules in CA? Not disputing, just asking. Thx!