Patterning Your Shotgun | The Why & How | Shotgun Series pt 4

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On this video discover how to properly pattern your target, and why it's so important. Part 4 of our Shotgunning Series. Get Surviving Duck Season MERCH!! survivingduckseason.com/mercha...
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  • @SurvivingDuckSeason
    @SurvivingDuckSeason Жыл бұрын

    Have you Patterned your Shotgun with the combo that you hunt with?

  • @MrJuiceyjuice9

    @MrJuiceyjuice9

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @clayhazelberg6323

    @clayhazelberg6323

    Жыл бұрын

    Just started last year it helped me alot. Also I started shooting clays thrown by. Hand thrower. With the actual ammo and choke I was going to use. That made me feel much more confident.

  • @wayne_vt

    @wayne_vt

    Жыл бұрын

    Just picked up a new Franchi 3! Can’t wait to pattern this weekend before some early goose!

  • @trevorfredericks73

    @trevorfredericks73

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes I have I have always wanted to know exactly what my guns and bows are doing and capable of I always felt I owe it to whatever animal I'm hunting also that you for all your hard work on these amazing videos I'm a huge fan

  • @rodney9279

    @rodney9279

    Жыл бұрын

    Just got the franchi affinity 3.5 this year. Need to pattern test it soon!

  • @woodduck635
    @woodduck635 Жыл бұрын

    Great video, Joel!!! Back when the Mossberg 835 ultimag came out, I bought one. We had just started turkey hunting and we goose hunted a lot, so I thought the 3 1/2 chamber would really give me an advantage. Well, I struggled all goose season. I missed birds that I never would have missed with my trusty old Winchester 1300. On the first day of turkey season, I was walking back to the truck when a huge tom ran out of the weeds right in front of me. He stood there at 20yds, as confused as I was. I raised my gun and fired. Nothing. As he took off trotting straight away from me, I fired twice more--both clean misses. To add insult to injury, he stopped at 40 yds to look back at me, still confused. When I got home, I decided to pattern the gun. At 20 yds, the pattern barely hit an 8x12 sheet of paper. I had to get a large piece of cardboard for my next shot. The pattern was nearly a foot high and right!!! I don't blame the gun, we just weren't a good match. My cheek bone hit the stock in an odd manner, so I wasn't looking straight down the barrel. I traded it off asap and went back to hunting with my old 1300. I wasted a whole goose season and a huge longbeard because I was too lazy to pattern my gun!!! 😕🥵

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    A tough lesson! OUCH!! I’ve had my share of stuff like that! You never forget those kinda lessons, teacher!

  • @TheNewHuntersGuide
    @TheNewHuntersGuide Жыл бұрын

    Practice shooting the water!? Wow. Never thought of that! Great video man! It warms my heart just knowing this info is getting out there for people.

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Yep, I see guys shoot at cripple ducks on the water, and I think ‘what kinda garbage is that?’ You can tell a lot from shooting the water.

  • @TheNewHuntersGuide

    @TheNewHuntersGuide

    Жыл бұрын

    @@SurvivingDuckSeason I need to do some of that testing for sure!

  • @ballisticlt7452

    @ballisticlt7452

    Жыл бұрын

    Couple of legends right here that are changing the way we hunt, and prepare for the hunt, for the better. Thank you both.

  • @skipmiller8309
    @skipmiller8309 Жыл бұрын

    Have spent the past 45 years patterning every gun, load and choke I use to hunt and trap shoot with. Started with lead shot using shot buffeter and even cutting my own wads to achieve the best pattern for the ranges I am shooting. Lot's of hours shooting paper and counting holes to get my percentages. What chokes work best for each size of pellet out of each gun. Learning the importance of lengthening the forcing cone, back boring and the best length of choke tube for the smoothest taper and transition for the best patterns at all ranges. Modern guns come with most of that already done to them. I grew up with having to have all that done to your field guns. Gun fit is just as important because at the same time you are pattern testing you will find out if your choke tube is drilled properly and not off center. You find out if your gun is shooting high, low, left or right and by how much. Then modifications need to be made from there. Again, modern guns come with all those adjustments. Having the proper cast and drop for your body type. Most manufactures build guns for a person who is 5'-10" tall. Medium arm length and build. Nothing more important than gun fit because your eye is the rear site and it must be in the right place every time.

  • @jerrysmith6571
    @jerrysmith657116 күн бұрын

    Mr. Diggweed said in an interview that he uses a full choke to lengthen the shot string and let's the target fly through the shot. I found that interesting after watching your shot string videos.

  • @kevinburroughs3826
    @kevinburroughs3826 Жыл бұрын

    Finally a video on how to pattern your shotgun the correct way. Well done

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @bluesea3776
    @bluesea3776 Жыл бұрын

    Joel- write a book!

  • @jesseregister8713
    @jesseregister8713 Жыл бұрын

    I have enjoyed the series. As someone who handloads their own buckshot I love all things "shot" related. Growing up there were certain guns in my community that were just known to be "natural born killers". No matter who was using it, those guns just seemed to be more efficient. Most folks thought it was their pattern. And some of that was the case once folks started patterning their guns. But there still some that just seemed much more effective even though other guns shot similar patterns. As I got older and learned more about shooting I began to wonder if it was the "shot string" of that particular gun that made is so effective. Never really knew how I could test it but I am SUPER excited to watch your next video. Oh yeah, and any serious shotgun shooter should own a Lead Sled. I use mine way more patterning buckshot, turkey loads and buckshot.

  • @jayhudson4666
    @jayhudson4666 Жыл бұрын

    I'm one of those that has never patterned a shotgun and I've been gunning for close to 40 years. In the next week or 2 I'm finally going to do it thanks to you. Keep pumping out the fantastic videos, your teaching an old timer new things.

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing that! Good for you👍🏻you’ll learn something, for sure. You’ll come away confident with your previous choices or you’ll know you need to make a change.

  • @H82Miss
    @H82Miss Жыл бұрын

    Great videos Joel! The production quality is excellent, great lighting and audio.

  • @brethuntsman4678
    @brethuntsman4678 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video. Only suggestion I have is to ignore percentages - they are meaningless. Instead, ensure you have a sufficient numbers of pellets within your 30” circle to ensure clean kills (I like to see at least 100 for large ducks and 140 for small ducks). Also, start patterning at the maximum distance you will actually be shooting birds (be that 30, 40, or 50 yards) rather than just sticking to 40 yards. Determine the most open choke that still provides sufficient pellet strikes to ensure clean kills. Doing this will give you the largest effective pattern possible at any range up to your maximum distance. Good hunting!

  • @theduckman8814
    @theduckman8814 Жыл бұрын

    Great content. I’ll be the first to admit. I don’t pattern every year. Maybe every other. I did last year. I’ve been shooting boss 1oz 1/4, 2 3/4”, 5 shot copper plated bismuth starting last season. It’s deadly with a modified. My stock choke on my mossberg 835 loves this round. Right in the middle on hotness and the 2 3/4” helps with recoil. The copper plated bismuth is completely revolutionary. The plating keeps the ball shape better than some brands that don’t plate, they frisbee off instead of flying true. I found that patterning matters a lot, but you can easily go one choke size down if you move away from steel and use bismuth or tungsten.

  • @wayne_vt
    @wayne_vt Жыл бұрын

    Another very helpful video. As someone who didn’t get into waterfowling until they were mid 30s I appreciate you sharing all your knowledge and wisdom from time guiding and in the field. Keep up the good work Joel and crew!

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Great thx for letting me know!

  • @ethanmathias7974
    @ethanmathias7974 Жыл бұрын

    Keep the videos coming Joel! Glad you're diving deep into this stuff. Great to know!

  • @the45er
    @the45er Жыл бұрын

    As an avid shotgunner always interested in the "physics" behind the game, I will preface the post by saying your videos are, by far, done in the most scientific way possible, meaning attention to variables and controlling bias. To me, the most important message conveyed in this particular video is the explanation between Point of Impact (POI) and Point of Aim (POA). Our definitions are slightly different in that I consider POI as where a shooter actually shoots when he/she points the gun at a dot on a stationary patterning board and pull the trigger, much as you would if shooting a gamebird or clay going DEAD AWAY from you. That tells you where your gun shoots relative to how YOU mount, see and shoot. POA is when you "aim" the gun to make sure the barrels are true. This is particularly important when testing for proper "regulation" between the barrels of an OU or SxS. (And by the way, IMHO, you need more cast off on your shotgun as the distance to the left of your target was too much.) However, your message in this regard is excellent! Where we differ in opinion is the value of THE DISTRIBUTION of pellets in the 30" circle. Chokes are important to allow maximization of the density of the shot cloud at whatever distance is best for the shotgun game being pursued (ie, skeet at 20 yards, ducks at 30-40, turkeys at 50+ etc.) However, again IMHO, a pattern is a two dimensional representation of a three dimensional phenomenon; namely THE SHOT CLOUD. 99% of the time a moving targets is moving THROUGH a cloud. Using your speeds in another video, a nine foot shot cloud passes a point in .012 second. A bird or clay crossing in front of you at 30 mph goes three feet (the width of an optimum pattern) in .068 seconds, therefore encountering roughly 1/2 of the shot cloud during its journey through it. To me, the "holes" in the pattern are meaningless to all but maybe avid trap shooters who encounter "dead away" clays fairly often. If the shot exited the barrel and all lined up in a plane and went down range together in that plane, it would be a different story, but alas, we know this doesn't happen. Two empirical observations to support my point. First of all, if you've ever shot sporting clays, you've undoubtedly turned a clay literally into dust. You don't do this without a "cloud" of pellets. This happens when you've made a perfect shot at a fairly close distance (usually The second observation can be made at any sporting clays range. I've watched master class shooters using light mod chokes break edge-on crossing clays 10 or more straight times without missing. Heck, I can usually hit 7 out of 10 myself. Now, hang a clay target, edge on, from a string at 50 yards, step back with your modified choke and shoot at it. I'd bet you $100 you would break it 5 times out of a box of shells. Why? One, because the moving clay is passing through a CLOUD of pellets and the second, less important factor is that a spinning clay has centrifugal forces working on it that help it spin apart when cracked by pellets. Go shoot a load of 7 1/2 or 8 shot loads from your modified choke and see how many edge-on silhouettes of a clay you can draw in the gaps in even a nicely distributed pattern at 50 yards. I invite all civil responses. Have a great day!

  • @adamhiday9822
    @adamhiday9822 Жыл бұрын

    This series has been fantastic! I started duck hunting two years ago and became addicted. Learning a lot from these videos, thanks for taking the time! Hoping someday to get to hunt with you.

  • @Alextimof
    @Alextimof Жыл бұрын

    I am anxious to see the next video! In order to save time, you may shoot one piece of paper several times f.e. 5-6 and see the density of your pattern. The most dense part will show the real centre of your pattern.

  • @arsenioarvanitakis6549
    @arsenioarvanitakis6549 Жыл бұрын

    you my friend are dead on,Ive been reloading since I was a teenager and I've done a lot of patterning and you are right one must know there shotgun choke combo, fantastic work my friend very well done.

  • @a.j.4338
    @a.j.4338 Жыл бұрын

    your videos are just awesome. im recommending these all the time to fellow hunters. thamk you for all your work and greatings from germany.

  • @timengland8687
    @timengland8687 Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely love the info your putting out in these very helpful videos and can hardly wait for the next one !!!!!

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Tim!

  • @preben96
    @preben96 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you :) i am going Duck hunting for the first time this weekend Learning a lot from these videos :)

  • @mollybaumann415
    @mollybaumann415 Жыл бұрын

    Really enjoying this series. It's always good to brush up on the fundamentals. Hitting what you point at is the difference between hunting and birdwatching

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Right you are, Eric! Thanks!

  • @paulverroche9458
    @paulverroche9458 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Joel, very helpful. Keep em coming.

  • @tarekali6495
    @tarekali649511 ай бұрын

    One of the best series go on well done 🎉

  • @thomasthornton5737
    @thomasthornton5737 Жыл бұрын

    😀😀😀👍👍👍❤ Please see the next video on shot string length!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Joel this info on shot string length needs to be in reloading manuals.

  • @rbutler1519
    @rbutler1519 Жыл бұрын

    Great video! Loved your explanations keep up the great videos it’s been fun following along! Can’t wait for the next video!!

  • @adrianlouviere7650
    @adrianlouviere7650 Жыл бұрын

    Enjoy your hard work. Thank you

  • @timwagner9170
    @timwagner917011 ай бұрын

    I patterned my gun before I went to pass shoot skeet! It was very helpful ! Best skeet Dayi had!

  • @rodandrew3306
    @rodandrew3306 Жыл бұрын

    Interesting to see your videos. I have been patterning a shotgun for 20+ years. I have been shooting trap since 1982 and hunting ducks since 1972. You are spot on. I have always wanted shotguns that have adjustable stocks and chokes I "sight" in my hunting guns to have the same impact as my trap gun (some would argue that it would bee too high for a hunting gun, but it works great for me). My Browning A5, WInchester SX3 and Benelli SBE3 and Browning XT Trap Combo all have the ability to adjust the stock/comb/choke tube. Then I have patterned my steel shot shells out to 50 yards. I have found my Federal Black Cloud 1 1/8 ounce, 3 shot, 1635 fps only puts 1 or 2 pellets on a duck at 50 yards. Under 25 yards it works great. However, as I push beyond 25 yards, I need more shot like 1 1/4 ounce. I have never shot Boss shells, but I am now looking at buying a case, patterning them and trying them out. I could go on about choke tubes as I have used a micrometer to measure the inside diameter and found a great variation in what companies claim as Full, Mod, IC. I agree the real test is on paper. Keep the unbiased videos coming. Thanks

  • @terryhill5289
    @terryhill5289 Жыл бұрын

    Your videos are excellent. Thanks for all the info.

  • @davidbilbrough3726
    @davidbilbrough3726 Жыл бұрын

    When we had to switch from lead in the 90's in England, we patterned the lead decoying load to find the width then with the steel; which were obviously much tighter so we had to use imp cyl chokes to get the same width. We then did the same with our flighting loads. That is why when the change came we were still shooting the same amounts of ducks, when everyone else was struggling. We spoke to some on the marsh and they were very P & OFF. YOU MUST DO IT! With different chokes.

  • @billwayne397
    @billwayne397 Жыл бұрын

    Can you do a segment on hearing protection sometime? I've been hunting waterfowl for 20+ years and like your typical young person I haven't been using ear protection. I feel that my hearing is still quite good and would like to keep it that way. I'm most interested in the electronic ones that don't dampen all frequencies such as walkers game ear. I'm sure the cheap foam ones would do the job but half the fun of waterfowl hunting is listening their wings cut the air and calling.

  • @dadstillsurfs

    @dadstillsurfs

    Жыл бұрын

    Decibullz, Tetra, Axil all offer products that protect your hearing similar to the Walker Game Ear. Some use different technologies, and are in different price ranges. I personally got a pair of the Decibullz Custom Molded Percussive Shooting Filters last year. They work fine to cutoff muzzle blast but do muffle other sounds slightly. They retail for under $80, so a good entry-level product. If i could advise you, I'd say pick what fits your budget today and wear it every time you shoot. If your ears still ring, or if you need to hear the ambient sound better, pick another product. YMMV. Good hunting

  • @aaronsnatic2446
    @aaronsnatic2446 Жыл бұрын

    Loving this series!

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Awesome! Thanks Aaron 💪🏻

  • @jgrimm214
    @jgrimm214 Жыл бұрын

    Love this kind of content keep it coming

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Great! Will do👍🏻

  • @joshhayes6597
    @joshhayes6597 Жыл бұрын

    So good! Thank you for doing this for everyone!

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    You’re welcome! I appreciate it 👍🏻

  • @derryhawker152
    @derryhawker152 Жыл бұрын

    Enjoy and appreciate your latest series. I would Iike to here more results from your patterns and choke tube tests. I realize results will vary with different ammo, shot size , and weapons, but would like see your results. Especially after the pattern master video. Thanks again.

  • @kraigkaatz6858
    @kraigkaatz6858 Жыл бұрын

    More great information... Blessings

  • @sharonmechling7332
    @sharonmechling7332 Жыл бұрын

    Love the content

  • @johnnyhonda4404
    @johnnyhonda4404 Жыл бұрын

    Great series!

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you’re enjoying!!

  • @Trevor-ug3rh
    @Trevor-ug3rh Жыл бұрын

    Great video as always Joel!!

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @augustusmontgomery8331
    @augustusmontgomery8331 Жыл бұрын

    Great videos thank you.

  • @FIREWPgard
    @FIREWPgard Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your work Joel, I have learned a lot from you.

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    You’re welcome, Will! Thanks for the comment 👍🏻

  • @theronlee5275
    @theronlee5275 Жыл бұрын

    Man idk about y’all but that IC pattern at 40 was money😂

  • @virginiaswampboys199
    @virginiaswampboys199 Жыл бұрын

    Good Vid as usual.

  • @luislicea3604
    @luislicea3604 Жыл бұрын

    dang you, you left me itching for the next video lol, thanks brother keep up the good work.

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Part of my evil plan! HAHAHA!

  • @Fergusonturd
    @Fergusonturd Жыл бұрын

    Joel this was fantastic. I shoot Black Cloud and Carlson modified.

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!!

  • @cartoonsfromthe80ties
    @cartoonsfromthe80ties Жыл бұрын

    was very curious how the factory chokes and other brands of chokes are doing, I always hear that a lot of chokes have been tested, but after 8 episodes I still hear little about them.

  • @ryanachord3885
    @ryanachord3885 Жыл бұрын

    Great video

  • @Macdaddy22713
    @Macdaddy22713 Жыл бұрын

    Awesome job man

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching!

  • @cdotsbot3898
    @cdotsbot3898 Жыл бұрын

    I hope this year will be the first year I get to go duck hunting. These videos are really helping me thanks! #479

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Hope it’s great for you. Thanks for the comment!

  • @linklesstennessee2078
    @linklesstennessee2078 Жыл бұрын

    Good info

  • @WCWMFN
    @WCWMFN11 ай бұрын

    I shoot a trulock precision hunter skeet 2 in my browning bps. Stones em out to 40. I use that one choke only, just change the pellet size according to shot distances and bird size. 3’s or 4’s for teal and woodies, bb’s, 2’s for pass shooting geese and big ducks. 3’s for big ducks in close ranges.

  • @mannygiapitzakis7778
    @mannygiapitzakis7778 Жыл бұрын

    It’s great to see the promotion of pattern testing as a tool to determine the effectiveness of any load and choke tube combination for our given bird hunting application. The only down side I take away from this video is that there is no meaningful information on minimum pattern density values (ie. min pellet strikes in 30” circle) to ensure clean and consistent kills. This is perhaps where scientifically developed lethality tables could be in my opinion quite valuable. The CONSEP data could potentially be a good starting point.

  • @chriswhite3035
    @chriswhite3035 Жыл бұрын

    I always use a paper plate, I put a staple in the middle to aim dead center and hold the plate. I figure that is a good duck size and they are cheap. Great videos man.

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Chris. Good idea!

  • @turkeyhunter7617
    @turkeyhunter76177 ай бұрын

    Not yet but I did enjoy this video 👍🦆

  • @6MABBOTT
    @6MABBOTT Жыл бұрын

    No because I have such a hodgepodge of different Ammo because its all that was available

  • @jasongreenman2979
    @jasongreenman2979 Жыл бұрын

    I have! It’s the same from last year. Same ammo and same choke. Boss shells and a pattern master

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Awesome!

  • @joshcarpenter1587
    @joshcarpenter1587 Жыл бұрын

    Watched all the videos extremely informative , have a question, you said patterning is important, which I have, besides much quicker is there a difference between patterning and tts targets and app ?

  • @aman9054
    @aman905411 ай бұрын

    A good way to test if your shotgun fits to you is put full choke, take clay cartridges and shoot 4 reactive shots from 10 yrds to large (47x47 or preferably 60x60 inch) paper where is five about clay size, numbered spots similar pattern as a dice. Shooter takes ready position: gun buttstock to hip level (like international skeet shooting) and friend tells randomly to whitch number you shoot. Shooter makes realtively quick mount to cheek and shots immediately without correcting mounting. After each shot shooter loads gun again and takes new ready position. When four numbers is shot you can draw your average point of impact to last one (or shoot aimed shot to the last one). If there is systematical difference to some direction stock needs to adjust. If impacts are randomly different directions, you need to train mounting your gun (or stock might be too short). If impacts are down gun stock is too low (too much drop). If they are too high drop is too low and if impact are to left or right stock has too little or too much cast. Also too long stock can make impacts go to left. This shoud repeat 3 to 5 times to get good result. Four inch difference from 10 yrds is over feet from 40 yrds. Some shooters like to have their shotgun shoot a little bit over poa.

  • @Tyler_B.
    @Tyler_B. Жыл бұрын

    I haven’t patterned this year but I’m shooting the same case of shells and chokes as last year

  • @mobowyer4131
    @mobowyer4131 Жыл бұрын

    I patterned mine at 30 yards, my usual distance, I'm not that great of a shot beyond 30. Carlson mid range and Boss, slightly better pattern than my factory improved cylinder and modified. Love these videos.

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Awesome, thanks!👍🏻👊🏻💪🏻

  • @ejchem101
    @ejchem101 Жыл бұрын

    Well made video! Your POI would bug me enough to adjust it (but I get it that it's a personal preference) If shims won't do it, toss on a Beartooth comb. As far as shot string on the water, I think you're seeing more of the bottom pellets hitting close and the top pellets hitting further away. I would like to see the shot string of bismuth.... Brister had his wife drive the paper at 40 mph while he shot the target to measure shot string... Maybe rig up a drone?

  • @DaddyDuck365
    @DaddyDuck365 Жыл бұрын

    Go make ya on Video…………I laughed so hard I shot sweet tea outa my nose….😂😂

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    😂

  • @danielsullivan9865
    @danielsullivan9865 Жыл бұрын

    I like a 24” pattern with BBB or T at 60yd. Clean kills 75yd to 85yd.

  • @christinamoneyhan5688
    @christinamoneyhan5688 Жыл бұрын

    One must take into account the size and weight of your load also, the manufacture to be consistent.

  • @SteelTiiTan
    @SteelTiiTan10 ай бұрын

    I think I patterned when I got my shotgun about 10 years ago, but surely the ammo has likely changed to some degree. The truth is I only shoot 1 maybe 2 boxes of waterfowl loads a year at this point and trying to justify purchasing different loads to see which patterns best is a tough consideration, especially because surely I'll fire a few shells from boxes that don't work great with my gun/choke and then I have this expensive ammo which doesnt work the best for me and need to try and pawn it off to friends.

  • @FaithForgedGames
    @FaithForgedGames Жыл бұрын

    I think your right about the shot count with other hunting. However, still doesn’t make sense not to pattern your gun and fine tune your tools.

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Agreed.

  • @duckbrian7973
    @duckbrian7973 Жыл бұрын

    Do you change chokes and take other chokes of different constriction with you hunting. I’ve always wanted to be able and change chokes hunting but walking in makes you consider weight carried. Really good video Joel and thanks for being so mindful about topic discussion points.

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    I do keep another choke in my blind bag - just in case. I have probably only changes out choke a handful of times in my whole life, while on a hunt.

  • @krisalan5327
    @krisalan5327 Жыл бұрын

    So what's your go to choke & pellet size for boss ammo ? Let's say you was hunting north dakota lol

  • @olegig5166
    @olegig5166 Жыл бұрын

    Considering a new shotgun just off the shelf, what pattern % should one expect? In other words if the gun is shot from a stable foundation, while sighting right down the rib with the bead just under target; should there be 50-50%, 60-40%, or what percent of pattern above and below target? Should not one know what the gun does before adjusting for personal holding?

  • @janehagen208
    @janehagen20811 ай бұрын

    I wanted to know do I have to use the same shells for point of impact verses point of aim as I am going to pattern with? . I am using several gun s and Boss shells could get expensive!

  • @CClifton5678
    @CClifton5678 Жыл бұрын

    I've been shooting JEBs for about 10 years, how is the Muller compared to the JEBs in your opinion?

  • @thomasthrash4088
    @thomasthrash40885 ай бұрын

    Do you aim flat down the rib lining up both beads?

  • @paulcaldwell5680
    @paulcaldwell5680 Жыл бұрын

    First and looking to try new ammo this year so not yet

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Right on 👊🏻

  • @paulcaldwell5680

    @paulcaldwell5680

    Жыл бұрын

    @@SurvivingDuckSeason really need that video about shell length before Saturday if that's possible planning on heading to resupply and you've already got my mind questioning my thought process

  • @richardrouleau7190
    @richardrouleau7190 Жыл бұрын

    I pattern my gun every year right before duck season

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @kgrantmckeown
    @kgrantmckeown Жыл бұрын

    Howdy, where did you purchase the full size duck targets?

  • @mitchsundwall2028
    @mitchsundwall2028 Жыл бұрын

    Hi Joel, what dog training program or book or whatever do you recommend? I just got a new red lab puppy. Thanks in advance! 🦆

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    www.theretrievertrainer.com/freddy-king-training/

  • @williammeacham3899
    @williammeacham3899 Жыл бұрын

    Have shot about 150 patterns with different chokes and steel shot.

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    💪🏻

  • @jonathan.r.fierro8577
    @jonathan.r.fierro8577 Жыл бұрын

    When patterning my SX4 the fiber optic sight tube fell out of the mount. Winchester sent me another sight for free. Then while hunting it flew out again while shooting at ducks. Have you had any problems like this w/ your SX4?

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes. Same thing. I don’t need it. But it still feels like it should be there. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @williamcarter746
    @williamcarter7467 ай бұрын

    I patterned mine with my SX4 with factory and Muller Decoy and Passing. I used several different loads. I am not impressed with the SX4 on any of it. The SX4 is shooting way off of center, specifically, high and left. With no shims available for the SX4, I am less than impressed with Winchester right now.

  • @cory5785
    @cory5785 Жыл бұрын

    I have a beretta a400 extreme plus and shoot kent #2 steel. I am looking for a choke tighter than modified....what do i do?

  • @charm2170

    @charm2170

    Жыл бұрын

    buy a tighter choke. for example a full

  • @paujeppesen6567

    @paujeppesen6567

    Жыл бұрын

    @@charm2170 Hej there i would get a IM improved mod before you get the full choke. Especially if you shot steel shot. Some chokes are only designed for full choke when you use lead shot😃 some can but do your self a favor and check it before you pull the trigger

  • @dennissampson7502
    @dennissampson7502 Жыл бұрын

    Cheaper way to make a target is to use a large rectangular table cloth. Can get the at a dollar store for a dollar each and get 2 targets.

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    Great idea 💡

  • @janehagen208
    @janehagen20811 ай бұрын

    rhagen56!!

  • @DLCsince83
    @DLCsince83 Жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately the SX4 doesn't come with any stock adjustments. You can align your POA and POI accordingly. Most duck hunters I know don't know nearly as much about their shotgun or shooting as they should. Maybe you could do an episode on "Have you fit your shotgun?" 😉

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    We did a whole section on gun fit on the first episode of this series. My 20 ga didn’t come with shims, but my 12 ga did at least come with some spacers that you can install between the butt plate and recoil pad.

  • @DLCsince83

    @DLCsince83

    Жыл бұрын

    You can use moleskin on the stock to tweak POI some.

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DLCsince83 thanks for the tip👍🏻

  • @DLCsince83

    @DLCsince83

    Жыл бұрын

    @@SurvivingDuckSeason you're welcome! This will be my 2nd yr duck hunting, and your channel has helped a ton! The old boys club seems to keep a lot of info tight to the vest! Sporting clays has taught me a good deal about shotgunning. If you're ever in Memphis, let's bust some clays!! 👍

  • @jackjones7504

    @jackjones7504

    Жыл бұрын

    For a shotgun with no spacers or if I need just a slight tweek what i do is get a piece of light plasctic, say a milk bottle or detergent bottle , remove me Butt plate from the gun draw an outline on the plasctic cut it out , several of them in fact , So if I need cast off I cut the outline in half slip it into the stcok and plate on the left side , pattern tha If I ned more I double it up . If I nee to raise my POI I cut the lower part of the plastic and put that in . Even with my A400 shims I need more cast and I also have a piece of plastic at the neck of the stock right behind the action. Put it this way , not if but when I miss now it isnt the guns fault.

  • @dominicschneider1049
    @dominicschneider1049 Жыл бұрын

    When’s the next video?!

  • @AdrenalineTurkeyCall
    @AdrenalineTurkeyCall Жыл бұрын

    The red headed white boy said make your own video. 😂

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    Жыл бұрын

    You know that’s right! Haha!

  • @gamebredduckhunter7651
    @gamebredduckhunter7651 Жыл бұрын

    I have pattern tested all the shotguns I’ve ever hunted waterfowl with and shoot factory chokes in most of them and if I didn’t like the pattern I try aftermarket. Pattern at 30-35 yards because I’m not shooting birds at that range even with a 10ga. I am guilty of not testing before hunting them and changing loads

  • @ArshadAli-up1ko
    @ArshadAli-up1ko2 ай бұрын

    If my shotgun hits the target is down.if will adjusted

  • @bentleyfatheree1616
    @bentleyfatheree1616 Жыл бұрын

    You make great videos. Learning to shoot is the most important thing about killing birds

  • @mikeries8549
    @mikeries8549 Жыл бұрын

    Shoot your gun so much and practice pass shots on targets a lot. You get where you hit what you're eyes are focused on. I'm focusing on duck's bills. Lots of head shots. Practice until it hurts. Recover. Go shoot some more

  • @joseph6738
    @joseph67385 ай бұрын

    Muller is not as good as you say. I'm very unhappy with customer service. Carlson chokes are way better and better customer service. Mullers sales rep is an idiot

  • @mightyjoeyoung1390
    @mightyjoeyoung1390 Жыл бұрын

    Patterning a shotgun should ALWAYS include shooting for your poa/poi determination, then from your closest expected range to your furthest (taking into account the lethality of the shot!). You MUST know what your patterns look like up close as well as out there at 40 yards, plus. The point where you lose pattern density sufficient to RELIABLY kill a bird with the shot size being used is your absolute MAXIMUM range. If you're getting big gaps or a very sparse pattern, go the next tighter constriction. If you're getting blown patterns or patterns that are strung in one direction or another, then go to the next more open choke. Do this until you find your best patterns.

  • @jonnykilroy2345
    @jonnykilroy234510 ай бұрын

    Doin all this tomorrow because of this series 🫡🤌🏼

  • @jonnykilroy2345

    @jonnykilroy2345

    10 ай бұрын

    And then i seen how much it entails and the money involved… no wonder no one ☝️ does this … its not worth the time and money involved 🤷🏽‍♂️ frankly

  • @SurvivingDuckSeason

    @SurvivingDuckSeason

    10 ай бұрын

    @@jonnykilroy2345 do you duck hunt?

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