Grace Fu @ 1:54 - Cutting people off in the middle of the speech is rude, further compounded by the lack of composure and constant ranting is indeed, quite a sight.

@deltacharlie2011

Жыл бұрын

You can tell she felt threatened by Jamus Lim's confidence and stability in delivering his views and arguments

@Jwalker0075

Жыл бұрын

She has no manners and is childish. I Wonder why she behaves as if she is very smart. Shit

@Jwalker0075

Жыл бұрын

She really have no brain.she simply don't understand what is a budget and planning is to suit the environment or economic conditions.. this type of minister will really break up the country!!

@deltacharlie2011

Жыл бұрын

@@Jwalker0075 It is pretty obvious to me that after so many years of peace in her "job" with no people challenging her position, suddenly there is one, of course the defensive stance is very strong !

@Jwalker0075

Жыл бұрын

She knows nut about the economy and just a ball carrier all these years. She doesn't even understand what JL is talking about, but is so defensive like a child loss mother.

What is the speaker of Parliament doing? Why must he wait for Mr Pritam to address the order? Isn't it supposed to be the Mr Speaker's Job?

@eatdrinkrunwalk

Жыл бұрын

Own people cannot be rude mah...

@keetvhdlimited962

Жыл бұрын

Hypocritical...if its opposition, he will ask them to stop or say something like what you trying to say

@christophers2937

Жыл бұрын

Now you know why LMW from PSP twist and turn just liked what they are doing too.

@keetvhdlimited962

Жыл бұрын

@@christophers2937 when yr rival twist and turn, what will u do ? do te same right? just plain game theory

@taeyeonist1462

Жыл бұрын

he's not neutral

Wow Pritam, standing up for his team member boldly. That was the turning point in this argument

@alzario7349

Жыл бұрын

Great leader will never abandon his ship leaving his crews to drown. Even there's a traitor on board, he will fight to the end. WP will stay strong 💪💪💪

@xijinpig7978

Жыл бұрын

sometimes woman must be put in their place when they are rude and incompetent Dis-Grace-Fu

@bruhbro1181

Жыл бұрын

@@xijinpig7978 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

@raymasraymas

Жыл бұрын

@@xijinpig7978 This is not about gender, my friend. She is at fault for not sitting down

@EZJRVCXY

Жыл бұрын

He gotta step in because WP is losing out in the debate

The arrogant and dismissive way she and many other PAP ministers behave is exactly why pap needs to be humbled and be a taught a lesson or two in the next election.

@zahidallapitchay9366

Жыл бұрын

FORWARD SINGAPORE PAP is no longer beneficial for Singaporean 💯 All we have are PAP FREERIDERS FREELOADERS INCOMPETENT REDUNDANCY OVERPAID UNDERPERFORMED PM Lee needs a strong Mandate to be in Government Definitely that needs to change TYRANTS BULLISH CLUELESS DUMBWITS 💯 Why don't we have Indian CECA IMMIGRANTS for PAP Definitely resourceful Most definitely cheaper A good bargain 💯

@bruhbro1181

Жыл бұрын

same here, i agree with that

@newswaroom

Жыл бұрын

Sinkapore is SINKing with grace fu! 😮

@MartinLeong25

9 ай бұрын

pap rigs election rules so they have easier time winning it takes a stupid amount of support to het them or or if they fucked up

Civil service is full of bosses like Grace Fu. Which is exactly why certain things can go wrong and stay wrong for years and years.

@limlisa

Жыл бұрын

Don't think so

@deltacharlie2011

Жыл бұрын

yes ! right on ! The way she questions...seen it

@Jwalker0075

Жыл бұрын

Lousy boss and that's why the company fails, but luckily this is not a commercial firm but a dept in the govt office

@jasonlow2266

Жыл бұрын

Majority of the citizens support arrogant bosses i.e. the ruling party

@fr0sty1983

Жыл бұрын

@@limlisa Only you don't think so.

Funny sia grace fu so threatened. I applaud Jamus for his calm composure.

@VViv37

Жыл бұрын

Jamus

@jasonlow2266

Жыл бұрын

She is so stubborn and arrogant cannot accept opposition feedback.

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.

@jasonlow2266

Жыл бұрын

@@mll5530 Ya correct put our words to action during election day. Talk too much also no point doesnt change anything.

@mangeymongrel2137

Жыл бұрын

Very DisGrace Fu

This clearly reflects how WP Jamus Lim hold a robust debate in a profound manner vs a senior veteran in parliament whom lose one's composure when challenged.

@alzario7349

Жыл бұрын

she's lost. trying very hard to divert the argument to her favour, so as not to look lose face. this is what we have seen when aunties have an argument with new generation. Good job JL.

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

@@alzario7349 Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.

@alzario7349

Жыл бұрын

@@mll5530 can't wait for. that day to come

@cathhl2440

Жыл бұрын

Not easy dealing with incompetency. Not surprised she lost her cool with him.

3 cheers to Jamus for his composure...

@haliridzkin5745

Жыл бұрын

Hopefulli he stays at sengkang. He is getting good

@user-qe8cn8mm5u

Жыл бұрын

Well done,Jamus

@bym_92

Ай бұрын

3 CHEERS 3 CHEERS 3 CHEERS FOR JAMUS

having an opposition party's opinion is great to challenge our ministers' assumptions. This discussion could have been beneficial for both parties if handled in a calm and composed manner. I hope that wp can compliment's pap's leadership while pap could learn to take feedbacks more positively.

@justineesun3396

Жыл бұрын

Feudal Ministers are worst lot of all .. as all system goes, there ain;t need for any (further enhance) knowledge for all are done by the civil institutions, simply drawing Millions salary as a default... needing very much opinion voices for checks and balances ie..oppositions!

@yihaooo6924

Жыл бұрын

Pap will never, ever accept opposition feedbacks and even if they do, they will never admit that the good results are not due to opposition 's credit.

@damondouke

Жыл бұрын

@@yihaooo6924 That’s true

@adrenaline811

Жыл бұрын

@@yihaooo6924 Yes they will as they are theirs.

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.

What a shameful, embarrassing and cringe performance from Grace Fu. Honestly, the lack of decorum is just appalling - is this the 4G leader calibre that we are to expect next?

@christophers2937

Жыл бұрын

LMW did the same thing and they can't take it. It is also liked what they are doing beating around the bush

@bruhbro1181

Жыл бұрын

PAP has a lot of data on their hands- they can use it to explain themselves

@jungwoncute9970

22 күн бұрын

Exactly, look at her all flustered and fumbling as opposed to Jamus' calm demeanor 🤣

The young voters will not BE taking kindly to arrogance displayed by PAP know-all ministers.

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.

@justineesun3396

Жыл бұрын

let the grave be digging by the hands that lord over the populace with eventuality, that those opposed set to turn the tide...those for, sustain in the continuing of such bullying...simple VOTE counts!

Jamus is just too good. Grace Fu has problematic understanding him, let alone able to engage in the debate intellectually. Gotcha! Grace Fu!

Can tell what sort of a boss she is. Thinks everyone suggestions are nonsense and taking it quite personal rather than being practical and be wise into understanding the suggestions given. She doesn't want to listen as the suggestions are not even entirely against what is being set already.

@deltacharlie2011

Жыл бұрын

yes ! only hers is correct !

@Jwalker0075

Жыл бұрын

She is not a good boss. Just too arrogant and self-centered

@keetvhdlimited962

Жыл бұрын

Arrogance and elitism common in Singapore

@johcx1994

Жыл бұрын

So you agree that taxation (carbon tax, in this case) should be like a market, where it fluctuates, without caring an individual's life/difficulties/other factors? She was being practical; since JL gave the suggestion, complete the story. Dont just throw some random numbers and give an open path...

@wiranazahrin6262

Жыл бұрын

"I'm the boss....and you're not"

Go WP! Well done JL!

As a Malaysian, this is the calmest heated exchange in parliament 😂

Its funny how the Gov selects their cabinet ministers. A ex army general in charge of education when he has no background experience in educational leadership. A ex accountant in charge of sustainability when she has no background experience in green technology and a doctor who is in charge of manpower while some nobody who has no relevant experience is in charge of health. Is that what meritocracy is?

@justineesun3396

Жыл бұрын

whom voted them in?

@alzario7349

Жыл бұрын

they won't admit their mistake for appointing a weak candidate. 😊

@yihaooo6924

Жыл бұрын

Becos that general either have connections to the lees or that are good at boot licking.

@eatdrinkrunwalk

Жыл бұрын

They dont need to be an expert lah, juat need to manage the smart people who are doing the job for them

@yihaooo6924

Жыл бұрын

@@eatdrinkrunwalk true but they cant even seems to manage well.

James Lim should have just asked Grace Fu what the interest rates in 2025 would be. Point would have gone through clearer.

@christophers2937

Жыл бұрын

agree.

I won't be surprised if Jamus' suggestion is adopted under another name passed by pap just like the progressive wage that WP suggested years ago.

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

Actually it is Jamus who is offering a wishy washy solution. Corporations cannot plan if targets are changed at govt's whim using GDP figures. Jamus is offering theory solutions as if he teaching students and not meeting hard requirements of foreign investors.

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.

@mermaidluvfashion

Жыл бұрын

So you mean that corporate knows ahead how much next year's utilities bill and bank interest rates would be? Wont corporate also project and accrude for next year's budget?

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

@@mll5530 Why would you vote for idiots who talk theory? If you are boss, would you hire workers who complain, biatch, point finger and blame others all the time and yet cannot deliver better work?

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

@@scbchong6964 Hello. I do not why KZread has deleted your reply. Anyway, I did not state which party I will vote for in my comments here. I have merely suggested to people here to remember to vote for the party they so support.

Ironic that she asking him to do her job for her asking for numbers like its ur job to know

Surprise to see a Minister lose her coolness in debating w a new opposition MP. Very embarrassment.

Grace Fu is basically asking Jamus Lim to predict the future, while Jamus is just saying to be prepared because the future is uncertain. I don't know what Grace doesn't understand, cause it seems pretty clear to me.

@Ufmeo-jc4pg

Жыл бұрын

Agree . If economic conditions doesn’t sustain the target set I am pretty sure govt will adjust the target to reflect reality and explain the situation. As a govt I would rather have the flexibility to adapt and adjust than not. Jamus made sense while Grace just went on one way traffic

@AggronAaron

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure disgracefu wasnt there to debate, she was sent there to announced her boss's decision and enforce it. Then in comes the underdog of WP then she stress.

@nirmaladevi6305

Жыл бұрын

sadly… she is clueless

Where is the Grace? And what is the Speaker doing??? Sleeping is it?

@bruhbro1181

Жыл бұрын

So Dis-Grace-Fu(l)

Well done Jamus! Keep the pressure up and don't tell them the idea or they (PAP) will take your ideas as they are theirs!

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.

@nocturnally879

Жыл бұрын

So how you prove you know better?

Why is there a need to provide absolute certainty over the carbon tax rates? Jamus puts it very well, interest rates (and I might add, FX) changes all the time… GF needs to present her arguments in a coherent and calm manner. Showing frustration over the slightest disagreement is clearly not the right way to go.

@AggronAaron

Жыл бұрын

People who voted her in shambles at the moment, facepalming.

Well done Jamus Lim !

@alzario7349

Жыл бұрын

can't wait for next ge. WP need more seats in the parliament.

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

@@alzario7349 Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.

@alzario7349

Жыл бұрын

@@mll5530 can't wait for that day to come.

Grace Fu should just resign , we live in the West in bad living conditions too and residents are unhappy too..

These people sits comfortably on the ivory tower. They just give orders,no questions to be asked. Next moment reports frantically prepared by their stressed minions will be on their table. That's why it is a strange and uncomfortable feeling when they find themselves being asked about this and that especially from people who are not their bosses.

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

You forgot Jamus is also a high-paid Professor in his ivory tower. He talks alot but solution is not better than PAP govt's. And Pritam is paid $30k per month but never do any research to show why Jamus' solution is better.

It is so funny... in the UK, Rishi Sunak has to be reminded to stand up and respond, and here we have someone who refuses to sit down 😆

It wouldnt be heated if pap learn to listen objectivelyand not take everything as threats! It only portraits what we all knew all along, the elitist type ! Kudos to Jamus!

I am a layman, this was not that hard to understand..theres no need to condescendingly ask a question about something you could have just paid attention to..stop pretending like you care about the issues, exact numbers won't help you to understand a concept until you understand the concept first.

Well done JL.

There’s is no need to be rude in discussion do allow all members to speak and share as servant leaders

where is the speaker CJ didnt shout "Order!" to Grace Fu? 😅😂😂😂

@richardwong1965

Жыл бұрын

Same party mah. So must close one eye lah.

Grace Fu might as well ask Jamus for 4D number la.. how could he predict the economy conditions in 2025

@gntan6327

Жыл бұрын

Hello Jon L. GF no need 4d.she already millionaire. 4d too hard to get millions also.Ask Jamus to give toto nos then can compare with GF😂

Why Grace Fu talk like auntie that is so unhappy after question/challenge by JL😅👻🙏

@nikkicherry6559

Жыл бұрын

She talk business lol

@deltacharlie2011

Жыл бұрын

felt threatened !

@alzario7349

Жыл бұрын

senior citizens are sensitive. must always win. still living in 70's era.😊

It appears that the govt forgot that targets setting process are based on certain past and current facts to make projections are then made to set the targets. Also when the reality of future conditions sets in when we reach that particular year, there is need to review the set targets whether these are still applicable realistically. If the targets are no longer reflective of the situations then it needs to be adjusted or revised to match reality.

@Ufmeo-jc4pg

Жыл бұрын

I agree just as we have made adjustments to budget in light of Covid in the last two year

She still doesn't get it and need Jamus to repeat countless times! It shows how inflexible she is and shocking that she can even be a minister! I have lost my respect for such ministers.

If the speaker was truly impartial 0:18 he should remind Grace Fu to be respectful to members of parliament.

This is a joke that can happen in Singapore parliament. She shame herself, her colleague and all the goverment servant that exist.

Grace Fu is implying that Jamus might as well have a range between 0 and infinity.

i really dont understand why SIngaporeans are able to tolerate having these kind of ruling party MPs

wow... Amazing Jamus. GF's ways appeared to be fearful and threatened. The way she demanded the answer.. She seemed to lose her composer.

@justineesun3396

Жыл бұрын

"lose her composer"...does she has one??

@christophers2937

Жыл бұрын

@@justineesun3396 He gave a substantiative suggestion. You can't have a fixed quantum but a floating one just liked interest rates. How could one asked for the rate in 2024 and 2025? Just liked currencies and interest rates , they fluctuate according to the economic situation. How could one just answer how much? You could take a base figure of SGD 25 and then adjust according to the market situation.

@christophers2937

Жыл бұрын

@@justineesun3396 I meant composure. Not sure she has .

Jamus you're best calm and well explained.

@user-qe8cn8mm5u

Жыл бұрын

Need more opposition MP's like Jamus in Parliament.

Disgraceful

EV will be able to go for 1000km per charge in less than 5 years. In fact, the technologies of EV (commercial and private models) has reached mature stage already. The slow adoption is deal to the slumbering PAP and LTA. Vested interests linked to LTA and PAP are the huge road block.

Jamus you do Singapore proud !! Thank you for your intelligent and well thought suggestion.

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

Actually it is Jamus who is offering a wishy washy solution. Corporations cannot plan if targets are changed at govt's whim using GDP figures. Jamus is offering theory solutions as if he teaching students and not meeting hard requirements of foreign investors.

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

@@mll5530 Why would you vote for idiots who talk theory? If you are boss, would you hire workers who complain, biatch, point finger and blame others all the time and yet cannot deliver better work?

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

@@scbchong6964 Hello. I do not why KZread has deleted your reply. Anyway, I did not state which party I will vote for in my comments here. I have merely suggested to people here to remember to vote for the party they so support.

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

@@mll5530 I supported Opposition since before 2011, but they have not delivered anything better for 15 years now. Why vote for a party that talk and make empty promises?

Unbecoming of a minister! Rude nd arrogant PAP needs to be voted out!

Minister Fu should not snap as she did in Parliament. Were the rate and formula thoroughly researched by MSE officers? Reckoned the latter would have studied countries that have already implemented a carbon tax and are consistent with what those countries practised? With the impending increased GST, should we even implement such a thing and is SG ready (regulatory and infrastructure-wise). It will have cost implications for businesses and for us (regular folks).

Well said Jamus! Government should take the suggestion constructively and ponder about it.

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

Actually it is Jamus who is offering a wishy washy solution. Corporations cannot plan if targets are changed at govt's whim using GDP figures. Jamus is offering theory solutions as if he teaching students and not meeting hard requirements of foreign investors.

@SirSX3

Жыл бұрын

@@scbchong6964 do you drive? Do you know gasoline prices move all the time? Price of chicken also change all the time, price of rice also change, even my grab food delivery fee also change all the time. It's part of running a business.

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

@@SirSX3 Do you own a factory that runs polluting machinery? Do you plan for plant installation and machinery purchase? The carbon tax has to be indicated years ahead and fixed so that business owners can plan with a reasonable fixed cost item. btw gasoline is traded and subject to futures contracts in USD. You know a bit but kpkb alot.

@SirSX3

Жыл бұрын

@@scbchong6964 lolllllll was that supposed to be a clap down to show off that you know a lot 🤣🤣🤣🤣 As someone here that copy and paste their reply to EVERY comment in this post, you want to complain that someone ELSE is kpkb??? You're the one here kpkb, who can't understand the concept of short term and long term cost estimates. Let me educate you: the purpose of this carbon pricing is to price in the negative externalities over environmental production into the cost calculations of the business, so that they make changes to their equipment and processes to be more sustainable. Any short term fluctuation is not gonna affect your calculations because you have the long term estimate to plan ahead. Maybe all that is going over your head, so I'll make it even more simple for you. Let's say you want to drive from your home to your workplace by 8am. Grace is saying you must drive 60mh/h the whole trip to reach there by 8am, Jamus is saying you can speed up and slow down depends on the traffic but in the end you're still gonna get there by 8am. You're still gonna be able to plan long term, that is that you're gonna be at work by 8am. Then you guys over here so focused on the wrong thing here, asking then how will I know what speed I'll be driving at 7am? Maybe you and grace both don't understand what you're talking about? 🤔 It's very clear that you're arguing not from an economic disagreement, but from a partisan point of view, and that makes it pointless for this conversation to continue.

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

@@SirSX3 Have you worked in ops and planning management? Fixed cost is more palatable since this is a new corporate tax worldwide. Fix it for a couple of business cycles at least, for planning certainty. Opposition supporters and haters like you point-finger and blame govt alot but actually got no experience in matters. btw why hero-worship Jamus for shoddy guess-work? He is a highly-paid ivory tower academic, hor. Never build factory plant or run successful business. Never even run NGO. It sounds like you are nothing more than an arrogant, self-important Hater, hero-worshipping at the Opposition cult. Why practice cancel culture on PAP govt?

Speaker it’s your job to have a fair and transparent conversation

Pls play these videos again when the next ge is about to come, just to let voters know 😅

@bruhbro1181

Жыл бұрын

Let's not make the same mistake we did previously Vote WP!

Auntie, please stop disgracing the Parliament la

The G cannot take debate on the ground to professionally accept academic proficiency because is a slap on her face...Prof Jamus knows EXACTLY what he is saying, talking about with facts, number, projection and in tune with economic fundamentals.

@deltacharlie2011

Жыл бұрын

Yes ! You can see the facial and body language of both. One is blinking her eyes so fast like the one you see at the airport changing the flight schedule while the other one stand firm and delivered his views confidently

@alzario7349

Жыл бұрын

it's time for her to retire. she'll be no match for new generation opposition.

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.

@alzario7349

Жыл бұрын

@@mll5530 truth hurts.

@justineesun3396

Жыл бұрын

@@mll5530 ..indeed talk is (much) cheap...action is so needed to see the dawn on the horizon which after years of blizzard under the regime, then again, wil the peasants forsake the (crafted) Messiah of belief that only ONE God exist, that is White??

Speaker working hours only when opposition talk ah?

Where is the etiquette, GF should be ashamed of herself.

all of them really in the comfort zone,thinking things get decide all have listen like we are school children....once get questioned blow out temple and can't accept.

Social media never fail to magnify the wrong focus. The real problem is the debate on carbon tax and not how MP conduct themselves which is entirely a separate issue.

@zhen86

Жыл бұрын

You know, PAP has many times talk down opposition conducts. 377a. Example

The minister can be more gracious. If you have a strong point, the cantankerous tone of voice actually reduces the effect of the point

We are looking forward to work together to come up with the best possible solution. This kind of altitude is far from going forward together.

it's clear who the winner here is 😆

Arguments must be clear and precise and not shifting and changing goalposts.

Chubby Ah Boy : "mama, can i have permission to shit?" Mama : "xi ginah! Limboo slap you then you know! " 😅😅😅😅

Grace fu doesn't seem to understand the concept of variability...

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

Actually it is Jamus who is offering a wishy washy solution. Corporations cannot plan if targets are changed at govt's whim using GDP figures. Jamus is offering theory solutions as if he teaching students and not meeting hard requirements of foreign investors.

@AK8901

Жыл бұрын

@@scbchong6964 there are many things that corporations cannot plan for..

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

@@AK8901 Wrong. Energy consumption and pollution emissions of their plant equipment confirmed can. Are you still in school? Or you working as plant ops head? Any close friends or parents who are successful business owners?

@AK8901

Жыл бұрын

@@scbchong6964 I certainly don't think it is wrong that that are many things corporations cannot plan for. You must be very fortunate if you live in a world where that is not true. The question here is whether carbon tax should be one of those variables. The answer is perhaps not, as the carbon tax is intended as a set path for corporations to plan for reducing carbon emissions, and any relief from economic downturns should perhaps be considered in other forms. That said, Jamus brought up a valid point for discussion, and I am disappointed that it seemed to take Grace so much time (and apparent frustration) to understand what he was getting at. I thought it was pretty clear. Oh and I don't think my background has anything to do with this discussion, but thank you for asking.

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

@@AK8901 Your infatuation and hero-worship of Opposition turns everything that comes out of their mouth gold - only to you. And your background has everything to do with this discussion because so many Opposition supporters don't have any experience or expertise in the matters being discussed. Just blanket Cancel Culture against the govt. If you are a student with an opinion and beliefs, you are not credible nor authoritative in the subject. Your opinion carries little weight when compared to folks who build and invest in factories.

WP got my stand and support! 👍👍👍🔨🇸🇬

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.

@limliza992

Жыл бұрын

WP, pls stand in election for more GRCs.

@limliza992

Жыл бұрын

You support but if WP does not compete in your GRC, you still cannot vote for WP.

@mathewlovegod

Жыл бұрын

@@limliza992 True but my GRC got it 😂

It just like a professor talking to a O level student

@user-qe8cn8mm5u

Жыл бұрын

Condescending attitude by Minister

Can’t keep cool under pressure grace foo. Definitely need more opposition to keep the minister ego in check

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.

Song?

Why they insist on numbers but when oppo ask for numbers, they don't want to give..

Jamus' explanation is very clear....I don't understand which part of it doesn't come clear to Grace.....

Shocked at the Speaker for not enforcing basic Parliamentary procedures. The rest of society is very law abiding

To put it simply, she fails to understand that we really do need to adapt to economic changes as we can never have certainty for the future outcome due to it being a non constant variable

These is very absurb argument by the lady. When she have no stance in the argument. She try to turn around questioning what she need to reply. This is disgusting and hilarious. The way she behave is simply arrogant.

Grace is asking jamus for a more rigid figure, cause as minister she got no clues and sought a fortune teller for an answer😂!

Why did Grace Fu need to get so agitated while Jamus is just composed & articulated in what he’s sharing… Credits to Jamus! Prove it with facts & numbers instead of cutting in when others are sharing. That’s rude

@deltacharlie2011

Жыл бұрын

First , she is under stress. You can look at her facial expressions , especially the eyes blinking . Our body don't lie. That is why they have the lie detector test to monitor all your bodily movements. Second, she felt threatened

@jasonlow2266

Жыл бұрын

@@deltacharlie2011 She cannot make it as a minister la. Cannot hold a debate well. Apparently majority of the citizens support this kind of minister.

@damondouke

Жыл бұрын

In my opinion, whatever the circumstances, one must be composed when in parliament. That’s basic etiquette, how can a minister behaved like this? Kudos to Pritam to stepped in when necessary!

@damondouke

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonlow2266 Yea damn true bro! This type of minister still exist in the cabinet, those who voted for her might have to reconsider again…

@jasonlow2266

Жыл бұрын

@@damondouke Yes she is currently MP at Yuhua constituency. I hope Yuhua residents can reconsider. Bro in general when it comes to actual election, people tend to get scared fear of the consequences if vote opposition party. We must vote for our own future and do what is right.

She is only after the answer she wants to hear?

Fu just proved the point that Singapore is run like a corporation and an SME at that. I can already imagine being part of her department: throwing her weight around and outright rejecting proposals with a snarky remark.

Grace Fu reminds of my teacher who loves to cut and doesn’t allow me to justify my points when presenting.

The specker of the house is a joke.

Normally is Opposition scrutinise Government plans in Parliament, over here it's Government scrutinising Opposition plans in Parliament lol I think PAP ministers a bit too comfortable liao

You guys call this "heated exchange"? They're merely "passive-aggressively" addressing each other. And what's with your speaker? Can't even have the authority to tell off misbehaving MPs?

Grace Fu is acting like a prosecutor. she also said on many occasions that she is not to sure.Always being defensive and not even considering Jamus idea or proposal.Typical PAP for they have not been challenge.Whem they are no more the government all their short commings and bad policy will be expose.

The arrogance of the ruling party 🥳

Ruling party has been over the years condition to debate policies within the party members comfortably and engage in public by not so up to mark opposition which is relatively mild. Now that the opposition of much higher quality has been voted in, a new dynamic has emerged to bridge the comforting environment PAP back benchers enjoy versus the uplifting of the opposition to challenge policy makers and i think, this result in the betterment of both sides which will help singapore to forge ahead with better ruling and opposite members. In the past, the ruling party, with very able men and women, has have done a very good job except for occasional show of elitism which can be at best described as confidence if you look on the bright side or arrogance if you choose to view it negatively. My take is some ruling party minister and MPs do need to bark up more in how they carry themselves and not negate their true desire in making singapore a better place. So, let's be positive. (Josh Au made a good point below). In short, keep everyone on their toes is good for us as a whole. I love Singaore.

I hope smes are not going to be expected to pay a carbon tax

This is a display of arrogant and no control in the parliament.

Speaker is PAP is it? How can interruption be allowed? Also It would appears Disgracefu is clearly flustered from the insanely good idea that Jamus proposed. Arguing for the sake of argument.

It's principal Grace Fu tackling student Jamus Lim... No wonder she didn't observe parliamentary rules...

Jamus talk like economy no good should reduce the cigarette price and Ms Fu reply is whether economy good or no good we should focus on people health.

The carbon tax glide is not right to take even when economic situations change?

SHE SOUND SO RUDE......ANYWAY THEY ARE BOSSES

@justineesun3396

Жыл бұрын

the government are athe bosses of the people..? dude...who voted them in? God?

@Francisleong3912

Жыл бұрын

So

Imho, either parliamentarians are doing ok per se. In terms of parliament etiquettes, Min Grace did overlook at one point - to be fair: she was trying to obtain clarifications from Dr Jamus. And yes, LO intervened timely, so that Dr Jamus can answer accordingly. Importantly, glad to see that parliament debates are robust and it ought to be. Political office holders answering and debating with fellow parliamentarians, that's the way forward.

Grace Fu clearly going through menopause and is unable to control her emotions

@nikkicherry6559

Жыл бұрын

She so old

@deltacharlie2011

Жыл бұрын

That is the true colour. I hope the next GE , we bring in more opposition members to question and challenge the rest of those sleeping morons in white. We will get to see their true nature and colour how well they can "perform"

SG Govt needs to be transparent in their setting and forward projection of policy, for example carbon tax. They can’t anyhow change it at last minute, for example after declaring the carbon tax for next year, next day change the figure by saying due to economic uncertainty. This is important so that business owners are able to factor that projection risk into their investment decision making. No business welcome last minute changes, and may consider pack up their investments elsewhere for too many Govt flip flop policy.

@justineesun3396

Жыл бұрын

and do you really think that this shall (ever) happen? Look, at the HDB saga... have one not even learnt the basic of lesson?

@pgobservers

Жыл бұрын

@@justineesun3396 everyone knows HDB provides subsidies through various grants and priority queues for many types of applications. It’s open secret such grants couldn’t be fairly implemented otherwise there will be uproar when singaporean starts to do comparisons why they are given lesser grants than their neighbours.

@AggronAaron

Жыл бұрын

@@justineesun3396 HDB and Privately Owned Corporations are 2 VERY different scenarios.

Jammus lim feels like an empty gong

@mll5530

Жыл бұрын

But acted as if that it is filled.

Something tells me that this Ms Grace Fu does not know that interest rates may also alter according to economic conditions and even influence the path of growth vs inflation. It's not particularly difficult to comprehend Mr Jamus Lim's line-of-thinking - just alter the carbon tax the same way you alter the prime interest rates. Which part of this does Ms Grace Fu not understand??

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

Actually it is Jamus who is offering a wishy washy solution. Corporations cannot plan if targets are changed at govt's whim using GDP figures. Jamus is offering theory solutions as if he teaching students and not meeting hard requirements of foreign investors.

@SirSX3

Жыл бұрын

@@scbchong6964 walao eh you gonna copy and paste this how many times? At least change it a bit for different comments la. Are you a bot?

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

@@SirSX3 I repeat because stupid Opposition supporters all have same narrow mindset and willfully ignorant. You practice Cancel Culture against the govt but actually know very little and have very little expertise in the matters. Only like to kpkb, point finger and blame govt day in day out. You got a job yet, or still in school and suckling from your parents' teats?

@taeyeonist1462

Жыл бұрын

@@SirSX3 he is a govt lap doggy

@bruhbro1181

Жыл бұрын

@@SirSX3 glad you're not the only one who noticed Also for the guy who always spams, singaporeans are burdened with income tax, water bill, electricity bills, GST, etc. And keep into account that some families in SG are struggling to survive financially as of now. Raise carbon tax too high and it will cause more families financial hardship

Even I a layman can understand Jamus’s point of view.. she can’t? It’s just like interest rates… so is she going to question how the bank come up with all the rates? 😅

@jeff6161

Жыл бұрын

As a borrower, I dislike variable interest rates and prefer it to be fixed. Unfortunately the banks don't allow it beyond 3 yrs

@mohamadromzee7394

Жыл бұрын

You cannot compare carbon tax to interest rate. Carbon tax should have it's long term target based on policy decision. Is there such a thing as long term target for interest rate? No.

@fr0sty1983

Жыл бұрын

@@mohamadromzee7394 Why not? As long as the final amount is met. Flexibility is the point Jamus is selling.

@mohamadromzee7394

Жыл бұрын

@@fr0sty1983 First to link carbon tax as equivalent or similar to interest rate is misleading. From the exchange I assume that Jamus would agree that there would be a final figure reached at the end period. The government approached would be a gradual incremental increase to the target figure. Jamus suggestion would imply possibly greater fluctuations year to year since it does not have a pre-determined path but would reach the same target figure. At the end of the day , the carbon tax is to prompt businesses to have a more sustainable practice. If they don't want to change then they have to pay more tax.

@SirSX3

Жыл бұрын

@@mohamadromzee7394 I think you're mistaken. Jamus' solution is also for gradual increment, it's just that for each "step" of the process, rather than inflexibility sticking to the amount you set 5 years ago, you look at the economic conditions at the time and adjust accordingly. That's what they were debating at the start of the exchange in the video when they said the price ranges. There is effectively not much difference from the business pov because there is an expected rate even if they don't know the exact rate. So it's not that you're driving around with "no predetermined path"; there is a "predetermined path", he's just asking for flexibility over the speed limit of that path. e.g. You can drive faster if there's no traffic, and drive slower if there's a traffic jam; vs. you have to drive 60km/h at all times. It doesn't mean that you can't plan your trip, and you'll still get to the same destination, it's just the path is more flexible.

Does Singapore Parliament still hold Westminster style tradition in debate? Looks messy here.

Your Supreme Speaker Is NOT qualified to sit there !?

Didn't we have a Public Transport Committee that come out with a fare regulation framework? Set up a committee to suggest how we should glide our carbon tax rate each year, like what our PTC done to our transport fare each year. 😅

@scbchong6964

Жыл бұрын

Jamus is offering theory to investors who need practical, hard targets to plan their machinery and plant equipment purchases. Really low-quality Opposition, eh. WP supporters really need to stop their infatuation with this self-important jerk.

Well done WP