Pantera Sovetskaya, the Soviet Rearmed Panther | T-V-85
Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары
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It is a fact of war that- where possible- equipment and supplies will be captured and almost certainly be reused against their original owner. This was the case on the Eastern Front during the Second World War; many Soviet and German tanks found their way into opposing armies. Both sides would experiment with replacing the main guns of captured vehicles with domestic models, meaning they wouldn’t need to rely upon captured stockpiles of ammunition. Today we’re going to look at one such example that never made it off the drawing board; the T-V-85, a Panther mounting a Soviet 85mm gun.
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An article by Zinoviy Alexeev
Script by ChromeCTD
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Wargaming: "Give me your entire stock!"
@DS-wl5pk
Жыл бұрын
Gajin would do better with it. This would just be another stupid wanna be DPM machine. Why do we need another panther variant that’ll probably be worse then all those to come before? It doesn’t need to be better, but this will just be worse. With the ability to one shot, this would fit better in War Thunder. In a game with HP bars and to much RNG, we both know they’ll put this stupid thing in with like 1200 hp, 10 rounds a minute 180 damage a shot, like .35-.38 accuracy aaaaannnnddd… that’s about it. Mobility won’t be special, armor will mean nothing…. Yeah, it would just suck in WoT
@EdyAlbertoMSGT3
Жыл бұрын
@@DS-wl5pk "Bla bla bla healthbars suck war thunder good bla bla bla" Both games are garbage and the commenter was only making a joke about how Wargaming would add the tank as a premium/collectable to their game the second they find out about it.
@kuskusdikus6014
Жыл бұрын
@@DS-wl5pk They will sell it for 7500 gold or crates only with 2% chance to get the NEXT crate with another 2% chance for another crate that finally has a .14% chance to drop the tank 🤮.
@brealistic3542
Жыл бұрын
Thats a good one and so true!
@pavelslama5543
Жыл бұрын
@@DS-wl5pk War Thunder has even more RNG and even more pay to win than WoT. Just look at the aiming system. WoT at least approximately tells you the general area where your shell is gonna go. War Thunder does no such thing, the shells just fly wherever. And if you want to have a good crew, you just have to pay with real money.
85mm gun, V2 engine and later soviet transmission in a Panther (plus a DShK on the cupola for good measure) would've been real interesting.
@danielallen839
Жыл бұрын
Sounds interesting the transmission could still need work but the engine would be a massive improvement
I've read that soviets tried to put Panther's wheels on T-34 in case if there would be no spare T-34 wheels. They fit after slight modification, but tests have shown that they break quite quickly
@charlesphillips4575
Жыл бұрын
The issue there is the number of road wheels. The Panther ones overlap, so there are 8 of them, per side, compared to the T34 with 5, and hence each supports less weight.
@SamuraiAkechi
Жыл бұрын
@@charlesphillips4575 yeah, obviously
@ljubomirculibrk4097
Жыл бұрын
@@charlesphillips4575 Not just that, in the end of the war germans used wery bad materials. Realy more cast Iron, wery litle alloying metals. Too much Sulphur and Phosphorus, making the alloy britle.
@akriegguardsman
Жыл бұрын
@@charlesphillips4575 well panther is still 44 to 45 tons and T-34 is only 32 tons
@charlesphillips4575
Жыл бұрын
@@akriegguardsman 45/8=5.625, 32/5=6.4, that is about a 14% increase.
I wish they had completed these conversions simply due to the fact that they'd make great tanks in WT! :D
@Nodwick123
Жыл бұрын
True but they would be very expensive to buy in gold from gaijin.
@randomexcessmemories4452
Жыл бұрын
@@Nodwick123 Possible event tanks?
@teslashark
Жыл бұрын
You mean WOT
@teslashark
Жыл бұрын
@@randomexcessmemories4452 8x40k score tanks
@Nodwick123
Жыл бұрын
@@teslashark no in WT it could be fun to use and some what unique in WoT it would just be another one in a sea of apathy.
First the Tiger I and now the Panther with a 85. Whats next? King Tiger with a 122, 100 or 85mm gun mounted on it.
@TanksEncyclopediaYT
Жыл бұрын
Read our articles, find the truth (short answer, yes, a plan was proposed for the King Tiger as well)
@MAG_1204
Жыл бұрын
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT dear god
@ravenouself4181
Жыл бұрын
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT Yugoslavia with it's M4 Sherman 122mm conversion: *heavy breathing intensifies*
@cosmoray9750
Жыл бұрын
Look up " UK's secret betrayal, repatriation of Chinese sailors after WWII " on yT. Injustice...
@volrosku.6075
2 ай бұрын
T-VIB-100mm/T-VIB-122 so little data on turrets of konigtigers for ther soviets to get beyond its an idea they had. the 122 is a bit big for the turret for the 100mm would likely have been one design with more feasibility. i still like the idea of a King Tiger 122 Premium T7 in WoT though
Look, I know that given all of the crap with KZread's algorithm you need sponsors, this 11 minute video was really a 7 minute video with a 4m30s Masterworks ad wedged in. I understand the need for sponsorship, but 40% of the total video time?
@teslashark
Жыл бұрын
2m24s
At 01:21, it's "Australian Armour And Artillery Museum". We spell "Armour" correctly in this country :P
11:13 Well, obviously this “Frankenstein” Panther would have needed to have another more reliable final drive installed or the whole project would have been a waste of time
any chance of a report on the SU76i ? the rebuilt Pz 111 ?
A roughly 2.5 minute ad in an 11 minute video is kinda ridiculous. Maybe in a longer form video but not this.
@TanksEncyclopediaYT
Жыл бұрын
If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter Unfortunately, a double combination of short time meant we could neither redo the whole ad section when we figured it is too long, nor stick it in another video. Apologies for that, but we did try to make it interesting and semirelevant for our topic.
@scavulous6336
Жыл бұрын
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT if it was a serious issue he could’ve just skipped it, he should be glad you are able to make money off these videos either through ads or sponsorships! Cheers!
@EdyAlbertoMSGT3
Жыл бұрын
@@scavulous6336 I agree. I just skipped it and have no reason to complain.
Just a reminder that the sponsor for this video is a scam.
@KorianHUN
Ай бұрын
Is there any sponsor that isn't a scam?
your sponsor is a scam
A tiger 1 with a 100mm gun that sounds so cool
Okay, this is a tempting build...
Goed programma 👍
Panther was rushed design and as such there were plenty of small kinks in design which were never fixed. And project documentation was in Western zone, while Soviet Union was already working on design which became T-54/T-55
@c0ldyloxproductions324
Жыл бұрын
The panther had great potential as a primary tank tho, many of the reliability issues were fixed by the g models release, save a few things, if development continued post war I feel it woulda been Germany’s primate tank for a long time
@mladenmatosevic4591
Жыл бұрын
@@c0ldyloxproductions324 Sure, and Von Paulus, conqueror of Stalingrad, would have been great post war Chief of General Staff. I am bit ironic, but nobody in Europe had much resources to build new tank fleet 10 years after war.
@c0ldyloxproductions324
Жыл бұрын
@@mladenmatosevic4591 the centurion was a ww2 design and look at it now its been in service with multiple nations int multiple configurations even now, the Sherman was only removed from foreign service in the 70s and 80s and 90s, the panther if given the chance to be improved and modernized by what ever nation that wanted it would have been a fairly good tank it was already fast for its time and decent firepower the turret ring was almost as big as the Sherman’s despite the French’s apprehension of how small it was so it definitely coulda had bigger gun installed, the panther was the tank the Germans should have focused on in the war not the tiger 2 maus or tiger 1
@mladenmatosevic4591
Жыл бұрын
@@c0ldyloxproductions324 How many were built from war to 1950? Or even 1955? Of course you need to maintain engineering team and you prototype few peaces for tests, but mass building of new tanks did not start straight after end of war
@c0ldyloxproductions324
Жыл бұрын
@@mladenmatosevic4591 an estimated 6k panthers of all models were produced total
Don't tell Gaijin about this.
@DS-wl5pk
Жыл бұрын
It’s the only game it would be decent in. WoT would just make it another boring shitty panther, it would atleast have devastating one shot potential in WT
@zee_terminator2850
Жыл бұрын
@@DS-wl5pk the T-V is already in war thunder
When it comes to investing in these trying times I suggest canned food and shotguns
@scavulous6336
Жыл бұрын
Amen
WG: "what a nice tank. Would be a nice new tier VI medium, I'll make it premium and force people to pay $100 to own it"
I feel this would be another premium that I could not afford in WT.. but if it's a tech tree variant that has a good battle rating, I would love to get one in the game..
IMHO only the bunker idea has merit, that way the drive train and suspension is irrelevant.
I'd have given the panther a diesel engine
@derrickstorm6976
Жыл бұрын
Why would the Germans suddenly start using diesel engines in the middle of the war? What a dumb idea
@comentedonakeyboard
Жыл бұрын
Would have bee either to big or to weak for the Panther.
7:23 did he really just say IS-85? Bruhh its called an IS-1
In point of fact Russian tanks were just as bad to maintain. The solution to this was that the Russians just ground them out like so many rolls. Only later after the war were the t34/85 and other Russian armor improved in quality whatsoever..
@harmdallmeyer6449
Жыл бұрын
I don't think such General Statements can be Made on the T-34. By the late war, some Factories had really improved their production, and were thus making good Tanks. But as I Said, "some". Also, even though both were breakdown heavy Designs, the T-34 was still easier to get running again.
01:24 - "40th Army headquarters"?? The report on the screen says "4th Guards Tank Army".
@teslashark
Жыл бұрын
The screen text is accurate
@thhseeking
Жыл бұрын
@@teslashark Yeah, that's what I thought 😛
I guess you can't admit the enemy could make something worthwhile. But it would seem to have been much simpler to task a factory with the construction of suitable ammunition for the captured guns? I don't think it would have been that difficult???
Basically germany had one thing going when it came to there over complicated tanks. The allies had problems keeping them going.
"Nothing impossible to test", just use sprocket
Gaijin pls
Another paper tank.
Looted Leman Russ tank
WINE has better returns than art. But you do have to study for years and years, or hire someone such as myself.
Honestly the whole "Can't drive more then 15 KM" meme is just because soviet tankers can't drive with more then two gears.
Panther vos invented in Russia (some Starfleet officer)
Soviet Allied State Not Puppet States
Pantera Sovetskaya means soviet panther.