Overt+Covert Narcissist in One Person: Self-supply (

Can one person be BOTH an overt narcissist and a covert narcissist AT THE SAME TIME? Learn about self-supply (44:17).
The concept of the unitary self is being replaced with the idea that an internal operating system determines which of several self-states emerges, given internally and externally (environmentally) generated information.
Self-efficacy is the overriding constraint which the system seeks to optimize when hailing forth these sub-personalities or pseudoidentities.
When all relevant or available self-states at the disposal of the system are equally self-efficacious, the system may opt to keep two or more of them in operation (I call it a “state of residuals”). This ineluctably leads to dissonance and internalized aggression.
A collapsed narcissist may evolve a binary system of two residual self-states: an overt narcissist and a covert one, both equally inept in securing narcissistic supply from outside sources.
Such a constellation is geared to generate self-supply in two ways: the overt self-state’s superiority to and rejection of the covert self-state and the covert’s fantasies of overt grandiosity.
The overt’s aggression towards the covert is recycled by the covert into a depressive state (self-directed aggression) and incorporated into its aforementioned sadistic fantasies. The overt and the covert collude in creating a sublimatory channel for the pent up rage, envy, and resentment that the collapsed narcissist is experiencing.
When aggression is channeled via grandiosity, it can resolve into one or more of these speech acts:
Judgmental-contemptuous (I am superior, unequalled)
Victorious (I am unique, for better or for worse)
Merciful-empathic (I pity people, have compassion, act charitably but ostentatiously)
Educational (I am a guru who elevates others to my level).
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Learning vs. Ignorance
Honest communication
Empathy (Zelig, chameleon)
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  • @violettah878
    @violettah8782 жыл бұрын

    Finally you´re back. Started to get withdrawal symptoms.

  • @anitam5125

    @anitam5125

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lol

  • @agiejones7651

    @agiejones7651

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Vibeke I hear you 💯

  • @viktoriyarts

    @viktoriyarts

    2 жыл бұрын

    ahaha

  • @jawzkaraokeking3445

    @jawzkaraokeking3445

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm hooked ! Carry on👍

  • @074FaTiiH
    @074FaTiiH2 жыл бұрын

    "Beware, secrets are secrets for a reason. And some do not wish to be discovered. Especially when the secrets are particularly unseemly."

  • @thepowerman8952
    @thepowerman89522 жыл бұрын

    Don't leave us again for so long, Sam! Best wishes from London.

  • @pallasathena1369
    @pallasathena13692 жыл бұрын

    They hate their real self, and they hate their facade persona. They go empty and robotic in a sort of relief from having to be one or the other. It is weird to experience, like a human lump of wood. He had hoovered post discard for 6 months, and I complied sometimes and didn't comply other times, I can only assume I put him totally off balance. Anyway, he started to idealise and devalue me quicker and quicker, sometimes in the same day. Told him to find someone else - not from revenge but simply because I don't want to spend anymore time on this chaos anymore. Haven't heard from him since.

  • @jessicavennberg7883
    @jessicavennberg78832 жыл бұрын

    I found you yesterday and I cant stop listning to you. At last everything falls in to place. Perhaps there is a hope of heeling and understanding. I start to understand that I cant change or do nothing, exept leaving him in scilence. Thank you.

  • @holdyourself7003
    @holdyourself70032 жыл бұрын

    Professor Sam Vaknin, from all of us interested in this field, thank you. You are a precious gift

  • @katherinel1801
    @katherinel18012 жыл бұрын

    I did not like this thing you call vacation. Glad you are back.

  • @educocult
    @educocult2 жыл бұрын

    You may have been away but I discovered Otto Kernberg has KZread videos! Welcome back Sam!

  • @maryanndolan6508
    @maryanndolan65082 жыл бұрын

    They are quick change personality artists. Depending on what they want from who…it’s a constant revolving door. Being married to a narcissistic person was hellish for myself and our five children. There was also a drinking problem.he managed to rise up in the academic arena, I’d like to say a film-flam, grifter, con man all mixed together. Talk about a wild ride!!! He would also act saintly. I cried, was abused, I was terrified to defy him, thank God he left me for a much younger women after 25 years.. thanks for helping explain a very, very complicated personality disorder.

  • @jodypixley6683
    @jodypixley66832 жыл бұрын

    I have been wanting to ask this question for a good while becouse the Narcissist I know shows both , as if they know when it's best to use one or the other , They are not stupid by no means , the narc knows what they are doing !!! It's a 34 year old female and you can tell they have practiced this a while ! She conforms to what ever is needed when she feels she needs to ,I am not trained in mental illness or other but when you are very close to a couple in a personal relationship watching like it's a movie you can see it very clearly what is going on and all their tatics and this narc does not care who sees or hears she will make the movie the way she wants and the victim is between calling the narc out to trying to please the narc and even defends her at times ! She tells him what the movie was and he acts confused then she moves on to the love bomb and then punishment to extreme , and I hear her tell the story in many different ways different to every person she tells , after the victim fights and runs and goes back you see the mental illness the narc isputting the victim in ,_ it is horrible to watch the victim to fight for freedom then becomes just a puppet to please at any cost to their life , they become unrecognizable to the who they were before they met the narc ,It is like watching a suicide ,I'm greiving the victims death

  • @truthseeker9207
    @truthseeker92072 жыл бұрын

    I missed you Sunday and was looking for you. Please stop taking long vacations. The world needs your intel.

  • @patrycjakowalska2286
    @patrycjakowalska22862 жыл бұрын

    I was worried, but you're back. Thank you Sam💜

  • @matthewworthington6100
    @matthewworthington6100 Жыл бұрын

    So true when it comes to psychologists’ vanity and wanting to be scientists - I say this as a psychologist

  • @Michelle-uz2ch
    @Michelle-uz2ch2 жыл бұрын

    Such astounding, helpful insight offered. Thank you Sam.

  • @onelittleplum
    @onelittleplum2 жыл бұрын

    Yay hello again Professor, I missed you! Excellent and helpful information as always, many thanks.

  • @christinagaffney9124
    @christinagaffney91242 жыл бұрын

    💛💛💛I love your sarcasm and wit

  • @DBenson59
    @DBenson592 жыл бұрын

    I’m glad you are back .. I was getting worried

  • @ginamendez7758
    @ginamendez77582 жыл бұрын

    It’s good to have you back Professor ❤️🌹❤️

  • @terrorshark6836
    @terrorshark68362 жыл бұрын

    Good too see you Sam

  • @trinacorbett4827
    @trinacorbett48272 жыл бұрын

    You are very interesting ... and very funny. Thank you for your very indepth knowledge and observations. Put into words very nicely. ... nicely articulated! Thank you!

  • @tiahallford4353
    @tiahallford43532 жыл бұрын

    Glad to see you back Sam you were missed

  • @annbraden2666
    @annbraden26662 жыл бұрын

    This is my favourite topic re NPD. I really enjoyed that McGill lecture as well. Thank you!

  • @PlayMaster121
    @PlayMaster1212 жыл бұрын

    Sam Vaknin is Back👏❤️❤️

  • @user-bz9se3dv3r
    @user-bz9se3dv3r8 ай бұрын

    Awesome topic …Well Explained…Thankyou Professor

  • @paulhagiantoniou530
    @paulhagiantoniou5302 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely, plus BPD and it’s associated self harm issues

  • @ann5982
    @ann59822 жыл бұрын

    You are doing a lot of good.

  • @christinecortes5594
    @christinecortes55942 жыл бұрын

    I agree I believe we are built by our environment

  • @noreenryan1144
    @noreenryan11442 жыл бұрын

    Welcome back Sam

  • @olgaromanenko8485
    @olgaromanenko84852 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Cold therapy may become the way out of this hopeless condition.

  • @ehsansabbath8061
    @ehsansabbath80612 жыл бұрын

    What you do is fabulous

  • @FM-gv4yl
    @FM-gv4yl2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks God you are back x hahahaha

  • @theo-ny2608
    @theo-ny26082 жыл бұрын

    Welcome, Prof. Vaknin! This is a brilliant explanation, thank you. I know a narcissist at this stage after a very serious crisis. He said: "Sometimes I am a garbadge man, sometimes I am a worshiper (he is a Hindu priest), sometimes I am a healer, sometimes I am α volunteer". A dangerous man. A wolf disguised as a sheep. Will you, please, explain to us the next phase? Thank you. *I have just bought your book "Malignant-self" and I find it realy very interesting. Very helpful for understanding the issue.

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    2 жыл бұрын

    Kindly post a review on the book's Amazon page.

  • @theo-ny2608

    @theo-ny2608

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@samvaknin With pleasure.

  • @charlesgordon4465
    @charlesgordon44652 жыл бұрын

    Love you Sam, don't take it the wrong way! Lo, lol.

  • @borisshindman3101
    @borisshindman31012 жыл бұрын

    Welcome back...

  • @krissifadwa
    @krissifadwa2 жыл бұрын

    I wonder what Sam thinks about the idea of 'Non-Playable Characters' and wish to hear or read his ideas on Narcissistic Personality and Non-Playable Character's compares.

  • @krissifadwa

    @krissifadwa

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Vanessa-vz3kn Yeah!

  • @bieniabienia
    @bieniabienia2 жыл бұрын

    en forme - this is pretty groundbreaking:original:cut edge as approach (personality/therapeutic model) - please publish more in scientific journals

  • @clusterb6357
    @clusterb63572 жыл бұрын

    Dr. Vaknin, about 2 years ago I was involved in a relationship with someone who turned out to be a narcissist. I have watched a lot of your videos since then and have come to the realization that I am either borderline or a narcissist myself. I realize I have no ‘true self’. My likes and dislikes are very much patterned after other people. When I meet someone I take on their habits, speech pattens, etc. My question is: Knowing this about myself is it ever possible to find my true self? Is it possible to ever become enlightened and strip away my ego? Thank you for taking the time to read this and hopefully reply.

  • @jsmithson9076

    @jsmithson9076

    2 жыл бұрын

    Far more likely, and sounds more like, codependency than NPD or BPD. Unless you are splitting it is unlikely BPD. Unless you filter the entire world through how it effects you, and no one else, it is unlikely NPD. It is difficult to determine these things on your own. Try enlisting the help of someone you can trust, try journaling, try watching some videos on codependency. See what shakes loose. You can certainly find yourself. Good luck! 😁

  • @somerskye2750

    @somerskye2750

    2 жыл бұрын

    I dont think u have narcissism bc narcissist can't self reflect & u want to find your true self. Borderlines have Identity Disturbance, which means they don't know who they are & battle inside with: Who Am I? They have a chronic sense of emptiness & try to fill it through other people or through inappropriate ways of regulating it such as: shopping, gambling, substance abuse, binge eating, etc..Always struggling to feel whole. Bc u mentioned that u take on other people's traits that makes me think u may have borderline. The good news is that BPD can be helped &/or cured, (unlike narcissism) w/good therapist using DBT Therapy & self awareness, which sounds like u have. Good Luck!!

  • @christinakarlsson5391
    @christinakarlsson53912 жыл бұрын

    I would like to know more about the operating system.. this is so interesting. Is the only difference between healthy and unhealthy people the self states that the system is able to operate with? Or can the operative system itself also be sick? Now I have some new thoughts to sort out this sunday 😍😅

  • @KpopHwaitingvip
    @KpopHwaitingvip3 ай бұрын

    Would love to see more videos on this topic specifically

  • @jessicadorsey8483
    @jessicadorsey84832 жыл бұрын

    Very good.

  • @MatimoreAgain
    @MatimoreAgain2 жыл бұрын

    Hope you had fun in Maser.

  • @Jethie8
    @Jethie82 жыл бұрын

    What about if whilst the narcissist was mortified, without his defences, he found that his surroundings were pleasant, secure and loving. Would he still feel the need to reinstate the defences he knows so well? Thank you for your contributions Sam.

  • @Jethie8

    @Jethie8

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jh5588 I hadn’t thought of that. My partner would never admit anything to me at all. His answer is always ‘ I don’t know’ so it’s very difficult to know what I’m working with.

  • @Gebruikersnaam_
    @Gebruikersnaam_2 жыл бұрын

    What therapy would you suggest most effective?

  • @burcuk.6352
    @burcuk.63522 жыл бұрын

    I guess my narcissistic boyfriend is a overt-covert.. I was always looking for information about it!!

  • @misbah76
    @misbah762 жыл бұрын

    You look like you've been on holiday! Got some colour on you 😊

  • @estellewarren62
    @estellewarren622 жыл бұрын

    Professor - if an individual is able to shift between different states, and bpd patients are able to heal, couldn't a narcissist sort of heal by taking this route? Waiting for more videos too, thank you!

  • @josegonzalez-np7oz
    @josegonzalez-np7oz2 жыл бұрын

    I did tht put myself in tht situations being from a narcissist family as a black sheep I refused to be a doormat and refused to be grand to find a balance between dark and light .but I let myself loose recall triggering narcissist friend to get in there ..wow I tell you life's . U can really feel bliss at all times .. now to heal my family the grand and weak monster and healer self supply good and bad ..as one unit the cure I was loo k ing to attain during my heros journey I did it ..

  • @josegonzalez-np7oz

    @josegonzalez-np7oz

    2 жыл бұрын

    Other people u have done this to where they escape goat s in a narcissists relationship via family

  • @abundance3696
    @abundance36962 жыл бұрын

    3 weeks vacation, nothinggood lasts🤣🤣🤣

  • @abundance3696

    @abundance3696

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@aboetarikske thank you 😊

  • @jannaleonard1705
    @jannaleonard17052 жыл бұрын

    Wondered where you were Sam!

  • @felizof
    @felizof10 күн бұрын

    My covert narc ex was actually diagnosed with disassociative personality disorder when he was institutionalised after threatening to take his own life.

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    10 күн бұрын

    Dissociative.

  • @carenjuchem8693
    @carenjuchem86932 жыл бұрын

    I miss you

  • @AleAlvaCa
    @AleAlvaCa2 жыл бұрын

    Is it possible to be a cerebral covert narciss? Who likes to drink to be more social because he is mainly into his own ideas and interest when sobber. Love your accent!

  • @moeymisselmany6109

    @moeymisselmany6109

    2 жыл бұрын

    youre mainly into your own ideas and interests because ur a narcissist. it is possible to be a cerebral covert narcissist. how heavily do you value your thoughts

  • @moeymisselmany6109

    @moeymisselmany6109

    2 жыл бұрын

    @The V word thats not what i said

  • @moeymisselmany6109

    @moeymisselmany6109

    2 жыл бұрын

    @The V word im aware

  • @AleAlvaCa

    @AleAlvaCa

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@moeymisselmany6109 It is a preference that goes beyond thinking about oneself. We have not been in physical contact for two months as he prefers to read articles or watch videos, when I have tried to get close he talks about doing more important things. I don't mean a regular interest in oneself.

  • @AleAlvaCa

    @AleAlvaCa

    2 жыл бұрын

    I met him at a party and he seemed confident and handsome. But since we were a couple he told me that he considers himself boring when he is sober, I didn't pay much attention at the time but after a few years of an increasingly weird relationship I started to feel that something wasn't right and thanks to Prof. Vankin's videos I started to understand what was going on, I blamed myself for a while and came up with all kinds of theories including that he was actually gay.

  • @anjumahannowar7459
    @anjumahannowar74592 жыл бұрын

    Where is your minnie glass ? 😍

  • @ladyiraq11
    @ladyiraq112 жыл бұрын

    How will the narcissist deal with the new supply after I tell her about his disorder? After a while, will he keep trying to prove to her the opposite ? That I'm wrong not HIM , Will he change his plans? , hè is cerebral and somatic in the same time , thank you ❤️

  • @essentialvideos7661

    @essentialvideos7661

    2 жыл бұрын

    Any are you trying to tell her? This is the number one thing they say NOT to do..there’s no reason to tell the new supply she probably will not believe you anyway.

  • @ladyiraq11

    @ladyiraq11

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@essentialvideos7661 I don't care if she don't believe me, it wasn't my goal in the first place, The goal is to plant the seed in her head , Many people have spent years of their lives not knowing what narcissistic disorder is

  • @FM-gv4yl

    @FM-gv4yl

    2 жыл бұрын

    The biggest mistake !,,, you will regret it, Wasted energy Expect only negative outcome on yourself not on her or him ! You are coming from emotional thinking while you should use LOGIC

  • @ladyiraq11

    @ladyiraq11

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@essentialvideos7661 Yes, right, true but I won't let him enjoy his narcissism Especially on this girl , now He have to works harder, trapped suffocated , I'm satisfied and less angry , Now I can go and focus on myself

  • @ladyiraq11

    @ladyiraq11

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@vivasurvivor Your words touched me 💔 God bless you

  • @xxxexxxeamsmith5819
    @xxxexxxeamsmith58192 жыл бұрын

    Sam vaknin my psychopayh has kids with atleast 5 other women I found out about. I recently got hoovered and nearly went back but with everything in me I turned it down I was replying how I used to reply then I had to snap myself back into reality and remind myself I’m enabling his behaviour. he didn’t care and just hoovered the next victim he dumped after me. I hoped me rejecting the hoover would some how give him a glimpse of hope to change not for me but for his life. Surely these people don’t wanna live like that. I know if he ever will change it will be when he wants to but I want to know do you think psychopaths want to change. There have been people who have killed and turned to religion and changed so you think it’s possible I really hope he can change and not to get back with me but because his life is so chaotic surely it must be a nightmare living like that and knowing how much of a shit person you are deep down.

  • @10kchallange94
    @10kchallange942 жыл бұрын

    WTF 😂😭

  • @jodypixley6683
    @jodypixley66832 жыл бұрын

    Maybe the healthy will be learned by the attention she is getting at the ministry is giveing her thru her victim ! But the controlling of the victim is so obvious and her flirting is uncomfortable to many at the ministry while others thinks she is wonderful , it is an all male ministry , Females are the ones that spot her over confidence and comeing on so strong to the males dureing visits ! They are strong willed people ! And never get tired it seems ,but are in heaven with all the supply of new people that don't know them ! I'm wondering if they can actually weave a web that they get trapped in ! And how they react to this senerio ?

  • @r_saavedra
    @r_saavedra Жыл бұрын

    I don’t get the binary narcissism? A narcissist is created because they can’t self validate, so if they start to start giving themselves validation wouldn’t they not be a narcissist any longer?

  • @noaha7719

    @noaha7719

    4 ай бұрын

    There is a fundamental break within the psyche of the narcissist when the original seperation (from his ability to self validate. And it can never be fully corrected but yes, it can be mitigated through self supply, but not fixed.

  • @pierrebezukhov7874
    @pierrebezukhov78742 жыл бұрын

    We Hindu love jews sir🙏

  • @user-yl2zf9rq1y
    @user-yl2zf9rq1y5 ай бұрын

    Hahahahhahaa, "and other forms of low life" :'D

  • @kipriannalutu
    @kipriannalutu6 ай бұрын

    You cover absolutely every single damn issue. Debunk all self acclaimed experts

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