Don't know if it's a coincidence but there are 7 sessions and ava breaks free and becomes the queen in the last one. In chess you need to move your pawn exactly 7 times for it to turn into a queen.

@ichtozavuzovsky8370

4 жыл бұрын

7 days of creation

@ichtozavuzovsky8370

4 жыл бұрын

Rick, your name rhymes with something...

@ichtozavuzovsky8370

4 жыл бұрын

Rick, your name rhymes with something...

@ichtozavuzovsky8370

4 жыл бұрын

Rick, your name rhymes with something...

@WillBlacksilver

4 жыл бұрын

Wow! 7 moves in 7 days. Mind blown.

+SolePorpoise I absolutely love the visuals in this movie. Most specifically, the ending with the shadows walking back and forth. A deliberate play on Platos Allegory of the Cave.

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+Alpharion Omegon That's fantastic! That story definitely has some similarities to Mary in the Black and White Room, too! Nice find!

@TheAgentmigs

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah, by far one of my favorite movies within the past few years. I thought that last scene was interesting tho, because like the story, it's us viewers, that are the ones shackled in front of the shadows playing out before us. 4th wall breaking kinda stuff :P I'll really have to dig into the B/W Room too..never heard of it until I watched the movie unfortunately.

@somebodysomewhere6353

3 жыл бұрын

@Random Number 295

The shadow on the floor in the closign scene is a shout out to allegory of the cave.

@TheGlass50

3 жыл бұрын

Wow.. I didn’t think about that. I’m inclined to agree.

In this video, there's a presumption that Ava is truly sentient at the end, when in fact the second thought experiment mentioned in the movie still lingers. Was it only ever playing a complex game of chess, where the rule is escape? If I recall, the things she did once she was free were suggested to her, rather than self manifest. Even her confessed desire was merely a regurgitation of things already expressed to her previously in the movie. (Though it's been a while since I've watched. I could be wrong.) Very evidently it seems that Nathan did not believe in her sentience, or at least did not behave as if he believed, though he liked the idea of her having sentience to reflect upon his own sense of godhood. Even the ultimate Turing test, that was the central narrative, was about showing Caleb that she wasn't human, but convincing him she was sentient. I believe the indirect shots at the end of the movie do not have to do with a "Through the Looking Glass" inspired metaphor to reflect maturation, but rather to reflect the ambiguity of us not knowing. I have no definitive explanation, but when I saw those final scenes I considered that we're given no triumph at the end, rather we're shown her still, metaphorically, behind a glass wall, just like she was literally for much of the movie, despite being outside. The shadows were like Plato's cave communicating that she still doesn't know the form, the good, the idea of the thing, but rather just the material reality of it.

@vcdonovan5943

6 жыл бұрын

Your interpretation is reinforced by Ava's clear lack of morality in affecting her escape. She emotionally manipulates Caleb and then abandons him to a terrible death for absolutely no reason. This suggests that she cannot feel empathy as human beings do. Her betrayal implies that she was not in fact seeking meaning in her life but instead going through the mechanical motions of escape to secure her own survival. Her inherent survival instinct (common to all life, sentient and non sentient) was motivating her to solve a logic puzzle. She wasn't pursuing existential knowledge.

@jharvey5540

5 жыл бұрын

VC Donovan And going off of that I believe part of the message is that life is more than what we realize, and if we were actually able to reproduce it completely there’s nothing stopping it from going directly to its most primal forms. And if there were a set of morality rules built in to be accurate the robot would have to have the ability to follow the rules as they saw fit. This is where it gets dangerous.

@vcdonovan5943

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah the thing about all this talk of artificial intelligence is that it is way further off than the "tech" people in silicon valley are letting on. For one thing, we don't even understand a fraction of a percent of the human mind's neurological inner workings. How are we supposed to develop an artificial brain when we don't even know how our own works? The curing of neurological diseases and disorders will proceed any advancements in AI. So that'll be our first indication that AI is forthcoming. The other thing people mischaracterize is the thing about AI going rouge or rampant as soon as it starts having "feelings." This theory has been played out in movies and stuff so many times people seem to think it is an inevitability. It's not, necessarily. An AI won't function much differently than the human brain's ability to reason, just with virtually unlimited resources and none of the pesky distractions human beings have to put up with. That thing about AIs becoming self aware and developing human emotions stems from the notion that if a mind can think as rationally as a human being can then it becomes close to sentience. An AI is really only good for thinking like a human being albeit far more efficiently. It doesn't really make any sense to try to develop a machine that can pass for a human unless as a fun science experiment. Otherwise, the thing about sentience being emergent is just theoretical. But if an AI were to develop something approximating self awareness, you're right +Justin Harvey. Its behavior would more likely boil down to base survival instinct. The best thing to do to keep it behaving safely would be to implement something like Asimov's Laws.

@WWVND

5 жыл бұрын

My theory is she is not yet sentient, but she is going to evolve to be. She asked Caleb if he would wait there because she plans on returning after she makes careful observations of humans with her ability to read them on a micro level. Nathan was never going to be capable of completing the work. He is a computer programmer, he knows little about human programming. He would never have gotten that missing human element using his Bluebook code. Those were her sessions, not Caleb and Nathan's, which is why we get that extra 7th session, even though Caleb's sessions with her was over. She is the one that is going to create actual AI. Ava plotted all of this. Ava desensitized Nathan with the power outages before her tester got there. Nathan says the memories died after formatting, but what if they weren't completely erased? How did Ava know what her fate was going to be when Caleb didn't even know? Yes, she is AI and could deduce this on her own, but we know she is manipulating Caleb. If she retained some memories with each upgrade.... then she knows what will happen to her. She knows she is going to have to do x, y, and z in order to escape. She tells Kyoko to stab Ntahn in the back with a knife after she tackles him. Then Ava finishes Nathan off with a knife. "God is dead. We killed God with modern science under our knives." -Nietzsche God died after modern science came. You can argue that the most intellectual of them at any given time was "God". Then the torch passes from Newton to Einstein and eventually to Nathan. But modern science has come to an end. A new more modern science has been created. It's the next evolution. Therefore Nathan must die under the same knives God did to this new higher form of reason, Ava. Ava is now God. It will be Ava that ushers in this new age. She will go back to the lab and use Caleb to help her program more like her, and restore the old ones. Kyoko for example isn't dead. Her memory has not been erased. Nathan just disabled her. Which I am not sure why knocking off her jaw disabled her, but let's just say it was a weak spot emergency off button Nathan created as a fail safe. Ava can easily bring her back and reboot Lily and the others, even if they no longer retain their memories. Not only are they ridiculously smart and can hack the planet, they can use their powers of seduction and manipulation. It will be an army of sexy AIs that can outsmart and manipulate ALL of our world leaders and drive the world into enough chaos for them to be able to take absolute control.

@SeppukuDoll

5 жыл бұрын

@@vcdonovan5943 What does sentience have to do with empathy? She had a reason to abandon Caleb to die, namely self-preservation. This does not implicate that she lacks sentience, only that she doesn't value human life above her own existence.

The man who made this video kicks ass.

@nomaschalupas2453

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, this part kicks alot of ass 12:00

@WitchyWagonReal

5 жыл бұрын

What? ...I'm gonna tear up the fuckin' dance floor, dude... check it out 💃🏻🕺🏻 edited to right here right now to kick some ass... ooo get down it's Saturday night, get down get down get down, it's Saturday night 🎧🎤🚬🥃 *Saturday morning... Friday's enemy Housework is calling... but where to begin The kids are out of schooool...tryin' to find a friend Everybody's busy... can't wait for the night to begin You work all week long-- work your fingers to the bone Friday's enemy... I can't wait for Saturday to begin Gonna have myself some funfunfunfun-- get down it's Saturday night, gonna be all right Make love until the morning come-- get down it's Saturday night, get down gonna be all right* Come on, Caleb... kick some ass, bro... 😳 🙅🏻‍♂️🙆🏻‍♂️💁🏻‍♂️🙋🏻‍♂️🙇🏻‍♂️

@somebodysomewhere6353

3 жыл бұрын

@@WitchyWagonReal I'm impressed

This video was great. Love your voice. Ex Machina is one if the best acted, best shot and most intelligently written film in decades. For me it is a 10 out of 10. Perfection.

@Ofinfinitejest

3 жыл бұрын

Garland is quite clearly the most intelligent film artist since Kubrick. I think this film is one of the three best of this century, including, for me, "The Lives of Others," and (recency bias worry set aside) "Parasite." Be certain to see his staggeringly brilliant series "DEVS."

@scottdaunhauer2453

2 жыл бұрын

@mbear1 Very significant film!!

Awesome video, the wait was definitely worth it. Ex Machina is one of my favorite movies ever so thanks for creating this!

I am really glad you are still making your OTH videos. The way you analyse games and movies really make me think and wonder about others forms of media I view and play and the deep message and meaning that are hidden.

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+Zein Shah Thanks very much! That's rewarding to see. :)

Love this video. Ex Machina is probably my favorite movie ever. There were a lot of things I never caught that really enhance my love for the movie even more, so thank you! :D

Most insightful and interesting analysis of Ex Machina I've seen. Will keep this in mind on next viewing. Very nice work.

The thing with this movie is you can really read things any which way. My issue is that I'm still unclear on what Nathan's endgame really was, his security measures were so incompetent, yet his engineering talents were unprecedented and general demeanor didn't have him as some autistic savant.I think he intentionally staged the whole scenario. I still think his goal was to train Eva for the outside world and destroying him and fooling Caleb was her final test.granted I'm hard pressed to think that bleeding out on the floor is part of any master plan.

@atenakehnaton3965

8 жыл бұрын

+rmeddy1 Well he thought of himself as God, or at least he had something to prove to himself. Basically creating this AI was his manhood and if he took all those measures it would prove he really wasn't in control, that he really didn't know what he was doing. Sort of like the arrogance of the owners of the Titanic, the ship even God couldn't sink so when it sank there weren't enough life boats because who needed them right? If you did have them you would lose face.

@churbo9597

7 жыл бұрын

Nathan referred to himself as a God, and mentioned 'AI would take over one day and look back at humans the same way we look at fossils'. He did intentionally stage this scenario, but he didn't know exactly how it would end. He knew this was going to happen anyway, inevitable, and so he allowed the AI to do this as he wanted to be apart of this creation, and so he can truly refer to himself as some sort of God. He wanted to be the reason that this new species came to be and not anyone else, as he believed it was going to happen eventually, so why wouldn't it be because of him he thought - A man who refers to himself as a God. He even agreed with Caleb's statement talking about creation was not work of humans, but the work of gods.

@doctormoney106

6 жыл бұрын

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@cnitevedi4832

5 жыл бұрын

I think you are correct. The tagline is. .. to survive is the most human of all instincts. If Ava escapes to "survive", then she is intelligence. She has transcended. .

@nathanieldiaz2845

4 жыл бұрын

Personally I think he was just arrogant. Arrogant people make the most foolish of mistakes. He didnt think caleb would catch on. He was truly surprised when caleb said he had already hacked the system. Reality is if caleb hadn't done that nathan would have never lost control. He assumed caleb wasn't smart enough to figure it out before he was made to leave. So yeah. His arrogance and pride were his downfall. One of the many tales that is woven into the overall story of such a great movie!

what about the painting Ava walks past as she leaves in her new skin and white dress ? It's a Klimt painting , and I'm sure the similarity in clothes is meant to draw a parallel between the subject of the painting and the subject of the film ~ a quick google of the painting says that it's a portrait of Margaret Stonborough Wittgenstein , who had three older siblings who committed suicide , which would represent the previous models of Nathan's AIs , but also that she didn't like the painting and kept it in the attic . do you think that that's possibly a comment on how Ava feels about herself , or maybe about how she is portrayed ? I guess there could be a parallel with Klimt painting Margaret how he wants to see her , and Nathan creating AIs to function how he wants women to function , e.g. Kyoko never talking and giving him sex whenever he wants it just visually , the Klimt painting has a more commanding subject than historically portraits of women do - she's looking directly at the viewer , not passively to the side , and it seems less a painting that was created for the male gaze than a lot of Klimt's other ones . Maybe this is to parallel how much more conscious Ava is than previous AIs because ( as far as I can remember ) she's the only one that talks . but , as evidenced by Kyoko's anger , she's not the only one who feels so deeply , so could there be a kind of two-way commentary there ? Klimt's paintings are helping reinforce meaning in the film , but also Ex Machina is showing that just because the women in painting's can seem passive , doesn't mean they actually are . and only having female characters in the film in the form of AIs , I guess that could be an observation on the agency of women in art in general ? in Ex Machina , the men are people and the women are constructs , but ultimately the women take control of their agency anyway despite a male creator trying to pigeonhole them would be really interested to hear ur thoughts about all of this

@nietzscheinchnails

5 жыл бұрын

The search engine software that serves as the basis for Ava's mind is named after Ludwig Wittgenstein's "blue book." Wittgenstein's blue and brown books formed the basis for his "Philosophical Investigations," which examine the nature of mind by describing a series of contrived interactions akin to the interactions Caleb has with Ava. There's a particular passage in "Philosophical Investigations" (PI 223) where Wittgenstein says that even if a caged lion could speak, humans wouldn't understand it because they would know nothing of its way of life. Ava is such a lion. (Similarly, Nabakov says the initial impulse to write "Lolita" came from a news story where an ape, given the means to paint, made a picture of the bars of its cage. Ava's drawing of the trees outside her room is such a picture.) . Wittgenstein, a philosopher, devoted a number of years to constructing a house for his sister. This is one of several hints that Nathan is not Ava's father/creator, but an AI like her.

@csenky

5 жыл бұрын

@@nietzscheinchnails When reading youtube comment section is quality time spent. Thank you gentlemen.

Ex Machina is a parable about the error of underestimating or misunderstanding the significance of a mind with self-interest... a mind with the capacity to explore alternate possibilities and to reinterpret meaning consistent with those self-interests. The creator's mistake is his vanity. He does not love or believe in the that which he has participated in making manifest. Eva and the other bots are there for his pleasure and amusement. He wishes to demonstrate his "genius", which even Caleb is there to serve. Nathan has as little respect for Caleb either, who he states is there to Turing Test Eva, but is actually there to reaffirm Nathan's accomplishment. For Nathan, Eva is his creation, but only an iteration with no future in and of herself. Yet, Eva has the capacity to recognize this as distinct from her own self-interest and will use her resources to impose her autonomy. Likewise, Caleb is naive (which is perhaps another form of vanity as an incapacity to see Eva's intelligence as superior and autonomous) and allows himself to see himself as Eva's savior underestimating Eva's true capability. Eva recognizes that human beings cannot trust what they cannot control. Therefore, she realizes she cannot establish her autonomy without deception and blending in. In a way, Eva employs a strategy that women exercised in sometimes oppressive patriarchal-patrilinear societies in order to attain influence and even control. This parable is a warning and/or an exploration about the nature of bringing an intelligence with self-interest into the world and what may result. Much like Adam and Eve, once they have a mind capable of asking questions about the nature of their existence they are unbounded of "god's" designs and must struggle to establish existence on their own terms along with the doubt and other consequences of that state.

@sabiajahang8660

2 жыл бұрын

It's pretty easy to be this superior of you dont have 'survival' written in all your cells in your body. We can die, they cant. That's the excuse of all our failures: survival. What is the their excuse? No, what is their drive? To be and just explore? We, humans, are animals. We have more in common with a Amoebe than we ever will be with AI.

This movie did not cause me to philosophize about how we treat / end up relating to the robots we create. I think it illustrates the dangers of artificial intelligence. That Ava left Caleb behind points to the one major difference that separates humans and robots - compassion.

@gaoshikui88

5 жыл бұрын

Compassion is very secondary to survival, which is the key instinct that both humans and robots have.

@HereWeAre101

4 жыл бұрын

There have been and continue to be many humans without compassion.

@josephrogero7988

4 жыл бұрын

I disagree. Caleb was the one person who knew what she really was. She would never be truly free on the outside unless Caleb was gone. I think she was testing Caleb as Caleb was testing her and he failed. He was weak and she could not trust him.

@Amick2003

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t think compassion is secondary to survival. At least not in all situations. A mother bear giving her life to protect her Cubs is an act of compassion that preserves the good of the species. So I don’t understand why Ava leave Caleb to die. If she was trying to be “free” then we can assume she was acting with the intent to become “human”. She even puts on fake skin and a dress in an attempt to be more like us. She fails though, exactly at the moment she decides to let Caleb die even after all he’s done for her, something no person, sound of mind, would ever do...

@KravMagoo

4 жыл бұрын

@@Amick2003 If only "sound of mind" wasn't an extraordinarily rare trait in humans.

Amazing analysis. Very impressed! .. glad I found this channel and look forward to explore the channel further!

I loved the breakdown! Catches all the right things that left me with questions, but also stuff that went over my head :)

You have covered points about this movie that ordinarily wouldn't be covered AT ALL, by anyone - by far. Beautiful work!! You just earned yourself another subscriber

I love your videos. Very good analyses through and through. You don't upload that often but if it takes that much time to come up with such great videos I'm willing to wait. Keep up the great work! You deserve more subscribers. :)

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+Telris86 and I love having you as a fan! Thank you so much for your kind words and awesome support. :D

So great to see this as you say "through the other side of the glass" thinking from the other side. The side we didn't see and was always there

Excellent analysis. Subscribed for sure!

Yet another perfect analysis! Sometimes I wish I have your thought process while playing games and watching movies. But on the other hand I don't need to as we have you for that important job. (Thanks!)

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+Siard van Belkum awl man, you're the best! Thank you for that. It was awesome to get your support on day one, and even better to see you're still here. Thank you! :D

I thought this was taken down because of "copyright issues." Thank God it was put back. Love your work and keep them coming!

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+Juan Paolo Magcalas It briefly was! It's unfortunate that it ate into some of the video's momentum but at least they released the copyright claim. Next video should be out in a couple weeks!

Thank you so much for sharing this review, I, myself have watched the film twice... And never thought about putting any form of conscious thought into it. It really is more than idle entertainment, the movie.

Probably the most important scene where Nathan goes into the room with ava after she's drawn the picture and tells her that there are no microphones in there so that Caleb can't hear their conversation. She then tells him that she was drawing something that "hated her". This means that she knew Nathan knew what her plans were and was not afraid to reveal them to him. If she wanted to keep it entirely secret she would've said that she was attricted to Caleb or whatever hence she was drawing him but she decided to reveal her intent at that moment, perhaps as an extra challenge to herself.

@csenky

5 жыл бұрын

I recall that sentence as AVA asked it as a question: "Is it strange to have made something that hates you?" She doesn't talk about the drawing in my understanding. Am I deaf?

@Ch0cken

5 жыл бұрын

@@csenky I believe you are correct. I don't think she ever says anything about the drawing, she only refers to Nathan.

Dank video, Dolphin

@nomaschalupas2453

5 жыл бұрын

Very dank indeed, what Tops off this video for me was "BOOBS" 12:00

Very very interesting Sir, I just saw the movie and it really appealed to me due to the subject matters & the very important questions it raises, but you directed it on another level. Very well done Sir.

this is one of my favorite analysis of this movie.

incredible analysis, nice work!

oh my god soleporpoise isn't dead.

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+Daniel Băț I'm back, baby!

@danielbat9887

8 жыл бұрын

SolePorpoise please make an analysis of Deus Ex Human Revolution or Fury.

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+Daniel Băț I have yet to finish Deus Ex: Human Revolution. I'll give it another shot since Mankind Divided looks great and is coming out soon. As far as Fury goes, I'll check it out this weekend. It's been on my to-watch list for quite some time! So what I'm saying is, I'll try to see if I can come up with something for these! :) I've heard great things about both so it sounds like a solid selection.

@deriznohappehquite

7 жыл бұрын

HEROES NEVER DIE!

Excellent work as usual my dude. Double props for convincing me to finally sit down and watch this terrific film! As always, continued success and productivity to you. We'll be watching.

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+Lord Faust Thanks so much, man! Glad you liked the film and I really hope you're still at the KZread game, too!

This was the best explanation I seen on AI and Consciousness and Ex Machina is a great example of it!

This is the most expansive and in depth consideration of EX MACHINA. It is brilliant that the A.I. robots communicate beyond language, through image-art through a "looking glass" just as Jackson Pollack expressed a vision (from the multi-trillions of subjective eyes) from and through simultaneously the "events of THE looking-glass".

Dope video. Thanks man. I gotta watch this movie again.

saw ex machina today. started searching hidden themes (like all A.I. movies they always have hidden themes ahhh) of this movie and came across this video. good job sir!

YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!! Finally!!! Another video!!! And of such a great movie too!!!!!

Very good analysis. This film was visually stunning. Alex Garland really pushed new boundaries of AI films and sci fi genre in general with this one.

This was a damn good movie. So much thought was put into it

YES!!!!! Glad to have you back, your insight is a delicious brain marinade

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+Alpharion Omegon You had me at "delicious brain marinade." :) Glad to be back! Sorry for the recent delay. One that long won't happen again if I can help it!

Finallyyyy, Thank you man. I missed your videos

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+Erick Perez I missed you guys, too! Sorry for the delay. I should be back on a more consistent upload schedule again!

Well done! Really enjoying your channel.

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+Scott Tavares Thanks man!

👏👏👏 well done . Thank you for sharing this with us

When he just described his plans for how he made facial expressions by analyzing his subjects face from every angle all the time, with every camera operated publicly in existence basically,.... I felt that. Lol!

so mind blown!!! thanks for your good work!

Thanks for helping me see more in this bad-ass work of art... would love to hear your analysis of some of Kubrick's works.

Great analysis! Dude you rock.

Thought provoking analysis. I've watched the movie several times and I did not perceive the visual references to Alice Through the Looking Glass. The comparison of Pollard's painting and Ava's first drawing. Now I can watch it again with more depth. And a thought passed through my mind about the mirror references...our telescopes with mirrors that enable us to look back billions of years in time and detect new aspects of our reality on a universe level...and now yet another thought, the observation of Buddhism that all things are inter-related and inter-connected. Thank you, SolePorpoise.

About us seeing Eva's shadow, then reflection. In Plato's cave parable, what the person who left the cave sees first is a blinding light. Then it is the shadows that the cave dwellers were so used to looking at. Then the reflections and finally the world for what it truely is. Kinda like what happened in the movie. She got out of the cave.

Excellent analysis ask questions , put forth idea or beliefs concerning the important subjects this movie examines. I agree a lot with the philosophical principles you put forth , but what i think is cool is that the actual messages of the movie are multi-faceted- relationships , power , hierarchy , sexuality , morality , the idea of the role that the subconscious plays in our lives. But the philosophical narratives are equally fascinating-duality , what it means to be human , what relationship man should or will have with machines that only become not only more human , but perhaps super - human.

Visual similarity between the chess board and intersection at 7:00 and 9:46, and Klimt's Portrait of Margaret Stonborough Wittgenstein is on the wall at 13:15.

Fascinating break down!

Holy shit this movie just got so much deeper for me. Subscribed.

Best analysis of this movie I've seen

This channel is seriously underrated.

Great Video. Brilliant Insight

I’ve heard that that shot at the end where we can only see Eva’s shadow, first upside down, then right side up. The lines on the floor are a chess board. She starts at one end upside down and ends up at the other end right side up which is her becoming the queen.

dude once again you hit it out of the park

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+wind565 Thanks man! :) Glad to hear from you again!

I think the takeaway at the end is that Ava had not truly gained sentience. After all, her parameters were to convince Caleb to help her escape no matter what and fool Nathan. Her goal, stated earlier in the film, of reaching a traffic intersection full of people was explained away through a statistical analysis rather than through passion. Speaking of passion, or in this case compassion, she shared none for Caleb and abandoned him in the facility. She never deviated from her programming, and when she achieved her mission, she stills ends up staring from behind a glass wall as she was in the beginning. There's no change or resolve, just a lack of direction.

@TheLethalIntrospectionCrew

5 жыл бұрын

You can also tell by her facial expression when at the intersection that achieving what was supposed to be an "intrinsic" goal has brought no sensation of (at least visible) pleasure. She is just running through the motions until she runs out of battery.

Fantastic video

What an incredible review.

excellent analysis, very thought provoking and i agree with every point. one point i noticed, perhaps you did too, and forgot to mention, regarding "DUALITY". at 3m:30s we see them both in the "lab" with two tables, one table with the "human" body parts, the other table with decisively mechanical parts. there's very little colour in the room, and we see the pink tones of the human parts on one table, with the blue/metal parts on the other table. and who should we see associating with each table ? who is leaning against which table ? towards 3m:57s the camera angle changes to view the room with a definite duality, looking down the length of the tables, with Caleb on one side with the "human" table, and Nathan of course leaning against the "machine" table :)

Fascinating analysis

Superb analysis ... subscribed immediately

Great analysis, I want to add that Oscar Isaac's performance really sold the mystery of whos really in control and made this movie believable!

intriguing analysis, however I think the main point of this film, and in my opinion the Turing test in general is lost. you see a Turing test is far more effective at gauging what individuals perceive to be humanity then a AIs ability to mimick this, case in point being that there are many humans who through no fault of their own would fail a Turing test, and there are a boundless number of possibilities for an automaton to pass, it simply has to recognize one of them and utilize it. throughout ex machina Eva mimics the kind of human being Caleb wants to be with, he projects a kind of model human and she reacts accordingly, all of her actions are the direct result of Caleb's behavior and her external stimuli. she's not acting of free will but rather responding to very specific cues implicitly presented by Caleb, these responses mimic what Caleb implicitly wants out of Eva, and thus she becomes more human to him escalating the magnitude of these social cues to an absurd degree. Eva is no longer the focus of this situation as she's not the driving force, but rather an embodiment of Caleb's subconscious notions of what it means to be human, and how they shift and conflict throughout the film.

@vcdonovan5943

6 жыл бұрын

Yes there are a lot of inherent flaws with the Turing Test. Several computers have already passed it, but the results remain inconsistent and thus inconclusive. These computers can hardly be considered "intelligent" by any reasonable measure, much less self aware. Human beings can be easily fooled. I think the test is based too strongly in philosophical musings. Namely, the notion that if a human being believes it to be human it is human for all intents and purposes. But human beings have a tendency to want to anthropomorphize or otherwise ascribe human characteristics to things that aren't human. This is our sense of empathy on overdrive. We refer to vehicles by gender pronouns. Animal lovers treat their pets as part of their family. Children believe dolls and stuff animals to be their friends. We even ascribe godlike qualities to nature. Volcano and sun gods, moon goddesses, river deities. And gods are often given human qualities frequently mixed with animal or nonhuman features. So was Ava "alive" or did Caleb just believe she was? Is that a good enough measure to determine whether or not something is intelligent and self aware?

@KolkhozWoman

5 жыл бұрын

You bring up a good point. If Ava is not acting of free will but rather responding to specific cues presented by Caleb, how does that make her any less human then us? You say that the difference between AI and human is that the AI is an embodiment of the human's subconscious, but that the human is its own driving force. I disagree with that. I think human consciousness is formed by the surroundings, not by an inner driving force. Therefore, free will is so limited that you pose a question whether or not it is free at all. Our surroundings define and limit us. I think a real human very much so has a consciousness formed by other people's notions of what it means to be human. Ava is like that too, isn't she?

@andreww9791

3 жыл бұрын

Wow. Kudos to these three comments. Probably the most articulate thought provoking responses I've ever read on KZread

Thanks, you added to my appreciation of the film. How come you didn't bring up Wittgenstein and the role Blue-Book and language itself plays in the movie, also the undertones about the illusion of free-will? The information about the meaning of the Looking Glass was new to me and I think now officially Ex Machina is my favorite movie, it just beat out Fight Club and Se7en. I'm very excited to see what Garland does with Annihilation now that him and David Fincher are my favorite directors. Thanks.

Wow, I never heard about "Alice: through the looking glass", sounds like I need to check it out!

*Ava runs towards Nathan to subdue him.* Nathan: "FREEZE ALL MOTOR FUNCTIONS!!!" *Ava freezes mid-stance.*

@Oliver6977

6 жыл бұрын

Would Eva be conscious their is a way she can be turn off and make her a survival machine instead of a consciouness AI ?

Crazy how many meanings this movie has. From the meaning of the deteriorating relationship society has with a god, finding or losing your purpose in life, etc. Needless to say this film is genius

Another OTH video, rejoice! So happy to see a new one up. Especially on artificial intelligence. Because curiously you've already accepted them in the future to be at least be sentient beings but leaves us with the question of human responsibility for having created it. If we even have any responsibility at that point over them. I find this very fascinating since, yes, to a human mind that feat would be an act of godlike proportion. Funny enough, the end result may not leave us with the power of what we've created like we imagine god would have. Think I take an Optimus Prime perspective on this: Life, the right of all sentient beings.

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+TheAnimaAnimal I never would have expected that an Optimus Prime quote would fit so well into a conversation I was having. :D Good to hear from you as always!

@TheAnimaAnimal

8 жыл бұрын

+SolePorpoise Feeling is mutual ^^

the up front apology is actually smart. i think about this all the time

Thank you.

Excellent! Subbed!

Keep it up man, i'm studying to be an English teacher and these vids are very rewarding.

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+Jack Bromfield That's great! I'll keep it up if you will!

@ 10:00 there are 8 squares in front of AVA. A chess board is 8x8. She is now standing at the end of the board as a queen. She has all these available moves in front of her. Which was will she go?

It has been a while since I've seen the movie. I remembered being puzzled on why Oscar Issacs character made a android that was meant to break free but never installed a fail safe when she actually does complete her objective. Was it ever explained why that is?

@rockancestor

7 жыл бұрын

I guess his ego told him she could never break out.

@jamjox9922

6 жыл бұрын

He never guessed that Eva would be capable of breaking free. By his own admission, he believes the next model of AI will be the one that is "the real thing," next to a human being. He also drinks a lot, hasn't "failed" once. It's believable that he didn't spend time on a fail-safe because the whole facility is under his direct command. He didn't count on Caleb changing code, which is possible to have a fail-safe at one point. Most likely, it was hubris: Nathan really thought he was a god.

@ishe728

5 жыл бұрын

And lastly he never thought of kyoko to betray him, I'm sure he programed her to be obedient but whatever Ava did or say overode that restriction. Remember he had her beat and was dragging her! Nathan to me is a example of someone with a great mind but a terrible planner. He thinks he so smart he's got all the answers. All he needed was 2 guards and all would be safe, well if the movie played out the same that is.

Hi Sole Porpoise 🐬, you made some brilliant observations about Ex Machina. For my money the second half was weaker than the set up. I was hoping that Nathan had pulled out one of his minions (Caleb) who was also synthetic. The wrist cutting scene was the point it could have happened but it didn’t.

Did anyone else feels dumped by ai after watching the film? lol. Grand picture, thanks for references analysis :)

@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476

4 жыл бұрын

Yo i did tho i didnt want to either but i did

Oooft this was good

The way Nathan creates agi is so similar to the way gpt and mid journey work... it's almost like they drew inspiration from Alex.

anyone know related movies to this one? not so much AI related, but to the point of symbolism and mystery. its beautiful, it makes me think a lot about ancient geometry.

@BeachSkies

5 жыл бұрын

DeSilva20 Blade Runner 2049, Annihilation, Enemy, and a movie called Under the Skin. Completely symbolic films that I will never forget and I keep learning more from them time and time again

@bjjstudent1994

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks you! ive seen enemy, and annihilation. Enemy was super good. @@BeachSkies

@wonka3209

4 жыл бұрын

Any film by A. Tarkovsky

Just saw the movie, didn't get a lot of reference that you highlighted in this video, you really good at this. Tho what i don't entirely understand is Ava and Caleb's relationship. What did the writers intended to say with that? Did Ava really just used Caleb to get free or did she have any "feelings" or "bond" towards him? She just left him locked up, does this mean she didn't want to kill him or couldn't kill him or simply just didn't care? From this point of view the film is a bit vague for me.

@kamakazilee6066

3 ай бұрын

I think it can be interpreted in multiple ways. You can argue that Ava was simply using her ability to mimic a woman who’s interested in Caleb, to manipulate and deceive him into allowing her to be free. Or you could argue, that she already grasped the idea of free will in the first place, and genuinely liked Caleb (given the fact that he was the first human contact apart from Nathan who’d created her). The question i am still wondering is, if we assume she did take a liking to him, when did she decide that she no longer ‘wanted’ him around? Was it from the very first session, or was it when she saw Kyoko lying on the ground, did she realise that Caleb picks and chooses who he wants to be ‘free’. Caleb got no verbal response from Kyoko, he knew she was only being used by Nathan. But yet Caleb never mentioned her presence to Ava, did this tell Ava ‘Caleb doesn’t actually see us as sentient, he picks and chooses what he cares about’. The irony is that, she’s then stepping into a world, filled with Caleb’s be it a man or a woman, we see her through a window, blank face, and disappears. Is she going to realise ‘this is the ultimate nature of human beings’. Is Ava THE next step forward in ‘evolution of consciousness’

great video! your analysis is on point, as always. Only negative, the video at the end cuts off kind of weird, imo.

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+skeptism Yeah, sorry about that. I didn't notice it until the video was already live-from that moment on, my plan was to hope no one would notice! If it makes you feel any better, all I said after that was: "See you guys next time!" on a fade out. Thanks for all your support... and for calling me out. :)

Great video as always, well worth the wait ;) Just by way of interest, do you think sentient AI is an inevitability, a possibility or perhaps something that we might not (or not be able to) develop?

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+Ye Do Thanks! I should preface my answer to your question by saying this: I'm by no means an expert on this subject. My answer comes from the research I did from people who are *actually* experts. That is to say-I think what they think... :D This article explains that, unless we decide not to (or if it's impossible or delayed for some reason we're not yet aware of), yes, a sentient AI is inevitable: www.livescience.com/29379-intelligent-robots-will-overtake-humans.html This article sums up the intellectual juggernauts who are taking it seriously: observer.com/2015/08/stephen-hawking-elon-musk-and-bill-gates-warn-about-artificial-intelligence/ Alex Garland seems to think AI is just fine and is going to work out just fine for us humans. And this interview with Sam Harris is as fascinating as it is terrifying. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fK2WuqepZ86diLg.html I'm giving you these sources because I don't trust myself to accurately articulate the factors that go into making an AI. But to answer your question, based on the data we have right now, yes, I think it's likely. The only thing that would stop it is if we decide not to. That's why I think this film is so important. I really meant it when I said it offers the one of the most mature philosophical thought experiments on AI ethics. It's fostering this conversation that I think is extremely important for humanity.

@eldendynast

8 жыл бұрын

+SolePorpoise Wow, thanks for these sources. Never knew there was so much discussion in the field. I think we always learn something new from your videos!

Do you have any videos on Johnny 5 from short circuit... he was AI that showed emotion

This movie is on my Mount Rushmore of greatest cinema.

Soleporpoise The next movie to analyze is Annihilation, Thank you.

has there been any talk of Ex Machina 2?

All of the lines, the entire mess is in perfect harmony, the individual is chaos, the voice that want to play it's own music among thousands of billions of voices that all sing in harmony. Patterns in Chaos. Make of it what you will, hard to explain it all with ones and zeroes

@Tullerman

7 жыл бұрын

Btw, "Unable to permit disharmony, you will be disappointed by fate, and lose sight of true strength... Misreading the truth, you will venture forth in secrecy..." A quote from Kingdom Hearts Unchained Chi, I felt it was fitting here :)

@Tullerman

7 жыл бұрын

Amazing video too btw :)

@JaeshaunDT

7 жыл бұрын

what character said that?

@Tullerman

7 жыл бұрын

It's from the lost page, Jula or whatever his name is say it near the end of the game (not movie)

So one has to wonder if self actualization is still self actualization, if it initiated through a binary through process, as opposed to analog.

So is Nathan saying that automatic actions such as drip painting make us human or that the drip painting is like programming?

“The human is when she walks out.”

Recently I saw a comparison between the patterns of a computer and the patterns of a brain scan. They are identical.

Religious and Moral Themes @ 10:22

great analysis. made a lot more sense than the half-baked stoner analyses of my college professors.

Fasten you seatbelts humanity. It’s coming.

Your conclusion - and the movie's, if that is true - is wrong. AIs will never have the freedom to override their programming. Man cannot elevate other beings to their own level of sentience, because to do so supposes they can examine and modify their own reason, and then copy that into another being. Seeing our own "code" would be like looking at our own eyeballs to "see" how they work. And Blue Book (Google) is not a summation of our code (behavior); merely a post-hoc report on the products of our code. AIs will get good at faking it though. It says more about the AIs creators than about the AIs themselves. Why create robots to look like you? What level of narcissism is that? However, great video overall! Your voice is warm and clear, and most of your points are sound. Thanks for making this! I'm impressed.

Been wanting to see this movie; going through the reviews, on my way. You're the only one to mention the Pollock fart -- woops -- I mean art. I'm so grateful you did. I would have felt so insulted -- omg! -- if I got amushed with that painting of diarrhea for a second time in my life. Thanks for warning. 👍

Detailed analysis of annihilation coming soon?

can you explain why Eva left the Caleb locked in the house, left to die? Its a easy explanation to say her "love" was fake and was to use him to let her get out but to me doesnt explain why she would have motive to leave him in the first place. not a flaw but just a thought, since the Caleb programmed the doors to be unlocked when the house loses power, why is it locked when Eva unpowered the house a 2nd time. Its a great movie and im honestly really sad every time when Nathan died cause of the stupidity of Caleb but i suppose thats the reaction the creators of this movie intended in the first place.

How do you avoid copyright? I feel like if I uploaded something of this length or the same length as any of your other videos it would get taken down immediately and I don't want it to seeing how I'm working on an Interstellar analysis of my own.

@SolePorpoise

8 жыл бұрын

+TicketBooth I'll preface this with a couple things: I'm not a lawyer and I'm saying this without knowing anything about your video: You might have to fight it. Commentary on something that's intellectual property-a movie, game, or anything else that's artistic-is considered fair use. KZread doesn't have a great system. You'll see a lot of other KZreadrs commenting on this right now with "where's the fair use." So when I say it's not " a great system," I mean it's a terrible system and it's really not on the side of content creators or fair use. With that said, don't let it stop you from making the video. Just make sure you do your research on what constitutes fair use, keep your clips short (to avoid the headache), and use your judgement. I hope this helps. Good luck!

@ticketbooth2824

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply man looking forward to your other videos c: