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@oy3ah2025

3 жыл бұрын

-OY3AH!

Wow, not sure if i feel stupid or smart but I never once considered that Domhnall Gleeson's character might actually be the robot.

@Smb2886

4 жыл бұрын

Dark Thaumaturge not even when he thought he was a robot? Lmao

@armada854

4 жыл бұрын

@@Smb2886: wtf I've seen this move 3 times and never once has this thought crossed my mind.. yikes. I need a careful rewatch

@RustinChole

4 жыл бұрын

.....if he was the robot he had a job ....and co workers who knew him and a porn search history? It never seemed suggested to me outside of the wrist cutting scene.

@Smb2886

4 жыл бұрын

Patrick Chole......implanted memories but yea I guess

@kyletitterton

4 жыл бұрын

Same. Never crossed my mind once.

Great idea for a channel. Edit the best part of interviews, DVD extras, etc., together. You will only be limited by the number of movies that this treatment warrants. Ex Machina fully deserves it.

That is one of the most wonderfully practical ways of writing a screenplay.

I forgot how great this film was, just the story and nuance from it alone is mind blowingly spectacular.

I never clicked so fast. Thanks for your consistent high quality of work. Much appreciated

3:31 I will remember this! I think its a good way to structure the story and to focus on the main ideas of a story

Thank you for creating this channel and this format. It is a pure first-hand thoughts and experiences from great people, distilled to a 10-minute format of main ideas. Awesome.

Good stuff! A tip for the next one you make: please turn the volume of the music during your screenwriting course narration part down a bit.

@BehindtheCurtain

4 жыл бұрын

Yep that was an oversight on my part! Will be fixed in the future.

I like his method of getting the story down in a series of sentences and then going back and expanding them until he has a first draft. This is similar to Randy Ingermanson's Snowflake Method.

His self awareness is what makes him a good writer

That was fantastic. I agree with the getting up to speed. Finally someone answers what do they do in the first draft and what software. Even mentions the game of the meetings

I love this channel, I've missed these kind of videos Very insightful, informative and pleasing! Keep up the good work!

Beautifully put together! This is a great movie, one of my favourites for sure

Oooh, I'm glad I found this! Ex Machina and Arrival are by far the best movies I've seen the past several years, and I really enjoyed your vid about the latter.

i appreciate the massive increase in volume while you trying to sell us stuff

Thank You for this. That writing structure is a beautiful way to never lose momentum.

Great channel. I've seen videos like this where it's someone talking over a bunch of film clips but to add interesting graphics and edited elements, it just makes the video that much more professional and enjoyable to watch. Nice one!

I never noticed the scar on his back. Great insight into this masterpiece!

Never seen that first draft method before, interesting. Might try that myself.

I JUST read this script and rewatched this movie today! What timing.

You always make great videos keep it up my dude

He makes a really great point with his last few statements

Awesome! Thanks for this content :)

This channel inspired me to try and write a screenplay, just for fun. Many thanks

@BehindtheCurtain

4 жыл бұрын

Good luck!

After watching the video I pressed the subscribe button and then realized I was already subscribed, I never before subscribed to a channel twice well done Behind the Curtain 😅

Alex Garland is so much smarter than I am and I'm ok with that.

@John-gq7vt

4 жыл бұрын

So is he, and I know exactly how you feel!

@alexman378

4 жыл бұрын

How much you wanna bet his “crap first draft” is better quality than the average screenplay that gets greenlit?

@self1sch

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexman378 Did you reply to the wrong comment by any chance?

@UnknownUser-nz3io

4 жыл бұрын

My IQ is 147 and he seems pretty dumb to me

@Mikewilliamswhc

4 жыл бұрын

@@UnknownUser-nz3io edgy

So happy I found this channel

Best video so far!!

I'm definitely going to use his script writing method.

We studied this movie in my uni English class such an underrated movie

@barbmarley7875

4 жыл бұрын

How is this movie underrated? It was nominated for 2 oscars, considered one of the best movies of 2014 by the National Board of Review, and pretty much every conversation I have about sci fi will lead to praise of this movie.

@CallsignJoNay

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, basically everyone holds this movie in a high regard. Great movie, but not underrated.

@andreaalexander534

4 жыл бұрын

@thePinkPanda69 I wanted to read the book with my class, but there is no book. How did you study the film?

Ex Machina an incredibly good screenplay. It’s so efficient and sharp. Not a single word is wasted.

I love this fucking channel. keep it up dude.

What a crazy way to write a script! Must be soo satisfying to delete that last line😂

Really nicely made. Some of the graphics, while nice made, are a little distracting at times perhaps. Just less movement might help.

It was a wonderful movie. The cinematography was beautiful and it was scored appropriately. Loved it. Praise to Alex Garland.

Ex Machina is just one of my favourites.

I really like this guy. Really thoughtful guy.

He got me. I was thinking the twist was the main guy was the robot, but the twist was that he wasn’t. Genius

Great video! looking forward to what you doing next :)

lol guess I'm a dumb viewer. Never once suspected Caleb to be a robot. Even when he was cutting his face open, I was like "chill out dude, you're human!"

@anthonymartensen3164

4 жыл бұрын

I don't get why one might think Caleb is a robot

@vladimirhorowitz

4 жыл бұрын

Same here. That never even occurred to me.

@meximan282

3 жыл бұрын

If a person has ever questioned what it means to be conscious or human, they don’t assume feelings prove either

@mace2172

3 жыл бұрын

Same here, I didn't think that at all. I figured out what he was doing when he started cutting himself but not before then.

If Alex Garland and Christopher Nolan collaborated to make a Science Fiction film, the world would not be ready.

@BroughtCat

2 жыл бұрын

Omg I was thinking the same thing where Garland is a younger Nolan which I love lol.

@miyahtallulah

Жыл бұрын

Nolan would ruin it

@nickfish8345

10 ай бұрын

absolutely! I thought Interstellar was garbage.@@miyahtallulah

Masterpiece.

Sci fi masterpiece

3:30 that is a cool technique!

Favorite movie of all time

Great great cast to

The music for the end as is really really loud Still love you

@BehindtheCurtain

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, was definitely an oversight on my part. Will improve that in the future. Thanks for watching, my guy!

Great video once again man! Was just wondering, I am trying to write a murder mystery of sorts and was wondering if you could help me out by making a video on (for example) how rian Johnson wrote knives out! Would love to see that! Thanks in advance!

@BehindtheCurtain

4 жыл бұрын

Good suggestion! I'll see what I can do!

@Lukeabothadeez

4 жыл бұрын

Behind the Curtain thanks for responding! Love your channel and can’t wait to see what you do next :)

Does anyone know the song title during the Q&A at 6:45? Thanks :)

One of the most underrated sci fi movies I know of

It would be pretty bloody hard to be a machine and not notice it. For one, if you ever have an x-ray or ct there would be an aweful lot of metal on the film's that shouldn't be there (and don't even get me started on an MRI). Even more noticeable would be a pretty big number when ya jump on the scales!

What a brilliant film

Need to do one about Devs now

@BehindtheCurtain

4 жыл бұрын

Did you like it? Haven't started yet. I was excited about it, but I've heard mixed reviews.

Einstein said the first premise in the predictive decison tree is 'are you naughty or nice?' (hostile or friendly). Sure enough, that was Ava's first question. Genius film. Of all the AI genre this is the best, most provoking and thoughtful. Hard to imagine how General AI couldn't one day become sentient, that is just anthropocentric conceit. Before Q-processing starts to reach the finite capacity it will need to perfectly replicate sentiences bandwidth, that will become obvious. The opacity that comes with that level of complexity is important to anticipate also.

The music is way too loud when you’re trying to hock that promo code at the end

How does he know what the story beats are and how many to have?

Thank god this film was made.

Song in the background at 6:44 onwards?

HE DID SUNSHINE? I literally just watched it the other night! Hot damn!

@soysaucehairdye7869

4 жыл бұрын

he also wrote 28 days later and he wrote the book The Beach which is way better than the movie even though I do like the movie.

@livvsho

4 жыл бұрын

SoySauce HairDye whats it about?

Do jordan peele!!

I. Love. The shit. Out of this channel. Your work here is spectacular and I hope you never pull a Every Frame a Painting and end without warning. Lol

Wait I was meant to think he was the robot, because that totally passed over my head when I watched this

@BehindtheCurtain

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I didn't get that either. Interesting

Still incredibily relevant

You should do one about Annihilation!

@BehindtheCurtain

4 жыл бұрын

I might! I honestly wasn't the biggest fan of it.

Interesting way to write

Life lesson: if you are going to be contentious, be thoughtful about it.

i feel somewhat vindicated. i'm writing my book series just like that. indicator points. this way i can jump to anywhere in the story and go with it depending on my mood. wanna write action? wanna write intrigue...cue it up and go. (just don't forget the details)

This is one of the few instances I see characters described as “very intelligent” and I actually bought it. More often than not, it just seems like the characters are smart because the script said so and it told them what happens next, not because they actually show you how intelligent they are. Probably helps when an actually smart person writes smart characters.

@SJPace1776

4 жыл бұрын

Good point. Any character can only be as smart as its creator.

@EdNorty

3 жыл бұрын

@@SJPace1776 No, a character can be smarter than the author. The character has something the author doesn't... time. A character can say in ten seconds what the author had to think of for months.

@seltonquadros6557

3 жыл бұрын

@@EdNorty True, but the author still came up with the "smart" thing regardless. It's a paradoxical thing kind of

@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457

3 жыл бұрын

You should thank Hollywood for that.

@alexman378

3 жыл бұрын

@@seltonquadros6557 Yeah, but I am sure we can agree that while many writers can write characters smarter than them, due to the time and research that one can do online, while the characters think of it instantly themselves, but again, it’s really easy to say someone’s brilliant and nothing they do reflecting it in their actions or making you 100% feel that way. It’s because they don’t know what being very smart is like, aside from the superficial they can see from others (either fictional or real people). Same reason many seem to struggle to write a strong female character, most just conceive of an asshole of a man with a superiority complex, and flips the genders. It’s why we (men and women) can’t take them all that seriously, because the writers have an idea of what a strong woman is, they don’t actually know what one acts or feels like being in her presence.

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Holy shit, Alex Garland and I write our first drafts the same way

When he talks about not being able to actually talk to someone in the field about what they do it's amazing what you think you don't know but you might have insight on if you just have a go at it. If all you watch is American reality TV, chances are you won't have insight into anything, if you read books it opens you up to and makes you think about everything.

if we visualize the ai and centience within the simulation theory you then have to deal with gods immovable rock. Can you create something in a simulation thats not part of the simulation?

Great video but the music is way too loud and distracting. Should be decreased by ~40%

Here is my point of view on what he said, what we describe as consciousness is a dummy word. What we really mean is that we are different from animals, because that is what it inevitably describes. We are not dogs, we are not cats. Yet the truth is that we are dogs and cats, with an extra ability. Extended intelligence. A bigger brain, that harbors a bigger broader skill list. One of them is reflecting more extensively on what we have done, and on what we are doing. A lot of the time we are not simply feeling anymore, we are thinking. Because our situation has grown increasingly complicated, propelled by evolution, our brains are expanding. Are confronted with new energy sources, we are building our intelligence with every generation. It does not mean that we are conscious, we are not. We simply know what we feel, and outside off this realm we don't know and we don't care. There is no bigger overarching story, it is still a simple struggle for survival. In many ways we are no different then a leaf flowing down a river, bouncing against the shore, forced to fulfill its trip. Until it lies still rotting in the soil. Questions about consciousness come forth from fear, this idea that there is a higher power. Something that is out for us, something that wants to kill us. It comes from our tendency for overworking the brain, we loose our spirits when we tire. It is nothing more then a lack of dopamine, however with all our intelligence we have a hard time figuring this out. We see connections everywhere and we fear we might be making mistakes. And sometimes we are making mistakes, terrible ones. Not against a higher power but against our self, we betray our own spirit. Our own desire for survival, but we have a long road to go. And we are deeply flawed creatures, lonely and unintelligent in so many ways. Life is full of injustices, and people treat one another with such disdain. Out of fear. To me it is obvious, our big enemy is fear. Nothing else, we need to fight fear and stand together, this film is sort of grasping at the roots of this bigger idea, it asks and points towards several interesting observations. Like our tendency to fear what we don't understand, however it fails to see that we do not necessarily fear what we don't understand. We fear that what threatens us, threatens our feeling of safety.

@deplaneetegmont

4 жыл бұрын

Of course we are conscious. To be conscious is simply to experience and life is nothing but experience. You don't necessarily have to know that you are experiencing, but without experience, without consciousness, there is nothing.

@cill521

4 жыл бұрын

@@deplaneetegmont Yes I agree, however the term consciousness, to me, is implying (to much) as if in some sense have an all knowing spark or a special ability that justifies us in taking superiority over other creatures like nature or animals. Which is by nature wrong because we are not all knowing, we like you said only know our experience, it is what we crave and without it we rebel and die. Therefor the term conscioussness, the expression that the human mind is consciouss is wrong, definitely proofable wrong. It can never be claimed without the proper addition -> "We are consciouss of our own experience, and somewhat consciouss of the experience of other animals."

@deplaneetegmont

4 жыл бұрын

@@cill521 Yes, I think what you mean is meta-cognition or self-reflective capability. Not only having experience, but also KNOWING you are having experience. Consciousness is a term that implies only the second, but is really both. Or you may confuse it with conscience. In any case, you're right, there's no justification for taking superiority over other creatures. All life is conscious. All life is experience. It's all equally valid.

@cill521

4 жыл бұрын

@@deplaneetegmont I mean the term consciousness on its own always demands the question: "conscious of what?". This needlessly obstructs the speed of an interesting conversation, and usually indicates that what is said isn't from an intelligent comprehensible point of view but a more daring imaginative one. Usually out of enthousiasm to be right, rather then an interest in the deeper nature of what is said. If a person properly understands the deeper nature of "consciousness" and how "consciousness" is always context related, the person would never not mention the context since that would render the argument incomplete and thus incomprehensible.

@deplaneetegmont

4 жыл бұрын

@@cill521 Yes, I understand. Good point.

Are there plans to make a video on Annihilation?

@BehindtheCurtain

4 жыл бұрын

It isn't high on the list to do right now. But I might in the future.

Hey, I was wondering if you'd make a video on Prison Break.

Was funnily enough struggling with Penrose's Emperors New Mind when this movie came out, and in a sense, they are diametrically opposed. My interest in this question of the (im)possibility of AI was of course kicked off by another movie, (obviously 2001), where, by design, I'm sure, the most humanly complex character in the movie is actually HAL, the AI. Penrose assets, through a long involved, and technical argument, that AI is fundamentally impossible; something which i suspect is wrong, but after dozens of head battering pages of Gödelian arguments, i am at a loss to counter his thesis. Basically for the same reasons that Alex Garland alludes to, here. You have to say to yourself, "do i understand this argument?" (RE ENM, I don't). I suppose its hubris to still feel he is wrong, when you are dealing with an intellect like Penrose!

4:25 I'm surprised he actually uses the same document for it all, haha, if that's what he's saying...I would expect it would be less confusing to keep the paragraphs-outline and start the actual script on some other document or something...

@archangecamilien1879

4 жыл бұрын

7:36...haha, yeah, some things are probably only understood by 10 people in the world, I suppose what he means by "literally a handful of people", but when you think about it, that can never actually be "literally", haha, unless people could fit in someone's palm...even that is figurative...I'm just being pedantic, haha, it's clear what he means...there are topics in math that are only understood by less than 20 people in the world, supposedly...I mean...sometimes it's not a question of the topics being too complicated (though there's probably that too), it's just that no one else has looked into them...I mean...it's not a capacity statement, that only 20 people in the world have the IQ to understand the topics...it's just that they are the only ones who actually have the tools to understand them, have the training, have studied enough to do so...any scientific field has so many branches with different people specializing in specific parts...they can have deep knowledge about the craziest topics and be ignorant about the basics of some other branch of their own field (I like to cite the surprise of someone I know, a fairly ignorant graduate student of math at the time (well, haha...still), when 2 of the 3 people who were "judging" his presentation (all 3 had PhD's in mathematics and had been professors and probably, he doesn't know, researchers at the university in question since some time) didn't seem to have ever heard about the Hausdorff measure, an introductory and very basic part of the whole fractal-stuff (I think everyone even outside of math knows about fractals, nowadays, provided they are even remotely interested in the subject), or at least one way to approach them, perhaps they are others...and they all were much more knowledgeable than the student in question on virtually every other topic)...

@archangecamilien1879

4 жыл бұрын

He might be right about it being dangerous, at any rate, for only a few persons to be knowledgeable about certain topics...

@BehindtheCurtain

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I see the logic in making separate documents haha. I think for him though, it's nice to see what's coming up after the scene he's writing. He's just filling it out. Thanks for watching! I really liked reading your comments.

Alex Garland is a genius.

I feel like an ape listening to this guy. Brilliant man.

Thanks for sharing. Distracting / irritating music - perhaps more in the background of the mix next time

Random. I literally started reading the script two days ago- best movie I’ve ever seen in theaters.

@vladimirhorowitz

4 жыл бұрын

Inception? Jurassic Park? The Matrix? Interstellar?

@canetoad6944

4 жыл бұрын

Not Available lol Matrix was great but this movie did it all without excessive violence sex or frills

@canetoad6944

4 жыл бұрын

Not Available inception was fuckin stupid

@canetoad6944

4 жыл бұрын

Not Available I used to have the gun from that movie tho beretta px4

"Mmm-mmm"

I never once thought the guy was the robot. I feel dumb now

@BehindtheCurtain

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah neither did I, but I think my experience of the film isn't hurt by that.

@anthonymartensen3164

4 жыл бұрын

@@BehindtheCurtain why?

The importance of all the thinking about AI was that it allowed him to write a movie about a man building a sextoy and then having a parody of a relationship with it, without ever consciously noticing.

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you kinda killed the point of Garland's message at the end with the advert for the screenwriting course. should have let the moment sit for a couple seconds longer or added some clip that was also specifically about screenwriting like the first draft one, and then clip on the ad. almost ruined the video for me tbh.

I thought he was an artificial life the minute I saw him.

Mm hmm.

I F**king hate my self for not paying more attention the first time I watch this movie, I robbed my self off so much and I innerly regret it.

With chalkboard?

Like god being man we do anthropomorphize

Mmh Hmm...couldn't take it

This movie is criminally underrated.

@zlodrim9284

4 жыл бұрын

Except it's not, it was highly praised and still is as one of the best sci-fi films in years.

If you want your head to hurt more, go follow the author of that book on Twitter lol.

@BehindtheCurtain

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a fun time

Ex Machina II please

I tried to dislike this, as Garland understands nothing of phenominal consciousness; however, it was such a great movie that I couldn't.

alex garland gives me way too much credit lol i didnt think any of that am i dumb? :(

Not "scientists" -> engineers.