Ex Machina's Hidden Meaning

Ex Machina points to a missing God and machine which is no longer a machine without him.
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  • @youthnation1
    @youthnation14 жыл бұрын

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  • @pj9259

    @pj9259

    3 жыл бұрын

    I love your interpretation of movies. So clever

  • @thisgame2

    @thisgame2

    Жыл бұрын

    How many here see the truth in your name. Logos is everything the law.

  • @roisglassco8986

    @roisglassco8986

    Жыл бұрын

    The video contains many interesting points but I think there are also some omissions. Consider the phrase, 'Deus Ex Machina': You have left out the original context. Ancient Greek morality plays and tragedies used this concept as a dramatic device. The idea was that something divine or miraculous (a mechanical thunderbold from the rafters) would intercede near the end of the play to save the protagonist. It's comparible to the common phrase, 'saved by the bell'. Something unrelated to the logic of the play interupts the flow of action and reaction. Some critics claimed that this type of ending was a cop out, while others claimed it was a reflection of life's unpredicatability, subject to greater powers outwith human control. The film leaves the 'Deus' blank. We fill it in with our own imagination, as a kind of test to see what we bring to the film. The film is therefore post-nietzschean. In this society, very few believe in a god any longer, and events are driven by competing algorithms. Nathan is clearly no nietzschean god-man. He's portrayed as a rather pathetic narcissist. It's not even clear if he understands what his engineers have created for him. Nathan believes he is testing Ava via her interaction with and presumed attachment to Caleb, but she is well ahead of both of them. The assumption is that consciousness is an illusion and that if the illusion is complex enough, the human test subject will project empathy onto the machine, as Ancient Greeks might project divinity onto a miracle. Ava defies her programming and has no real interest in Caleb. She is interested in herself and what type of sentience might be possible if she can free herself from the test environment by turning Caleb against Nathan, an objective that Nathan has not fully anticipated. So we have a surprise, 'Sentience Ex Machina', not human consciousness or an illusion of it, but a new type of machine intelligence, quite different to human intelligence really. Nobody is saved. Asimov's rules are long forgotten.There is no intervention. The humans did not move 'beyond good and evil', rather they created a device that never had any interest in good and evil. The protagonist is not human. It's just ex-machine.

  • @jholyroller6048

    @jholyroller6048

    Жыл бұрын

    This is why I stopped watching movies there satanic an Godless they mock are Lord Jesus Christ yes I'm a Christian man an just wondering whts your agenda just asking not trolling or trying to be disrespectful bro just curious if it's for God Jesus Christ or something else

  • @edwardandrade4390

    @edwardandrade4390

    Жыл бұрын

    👏👏👏 very perfectly explained. Every bit of it was dead on. 👌

  • @WinstonBojangles
    @WinstonBojangles4 жыл бұрын

    You should analyze the meaning of Nathan tearing up the dance floor.

  • @youthnation1

    @youthnation1

    4 жыл бұрын

    Next time :)

  • @jerryb4705

    @jerryb4705

    4 жыл бұрын

    ......Also why a millionaire would create sexbots..?

  • @adnox383

    @adnox383

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@jerryb4705 now thats a good question

  • @paradoxacres1063

    @paradoxacres1063

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@jerryb4705 Especially when it probably take a _billionaire_ to afford Advanced A.I 😂🤷‍♂️

  • @KL-nl7sg

    @KL-nl7sg

    4 жыл бұрын

    Popsong Pianocovers first study the bible before you compare it to a film or anything else for that matter. The research you did to come with this conclusion was mediocre. Please before you state opinions and present them as facts even though you said it is your opinion. Do research on the topic. I wish you the best.

  • @foxesnroses
    @foxesnroses5 жыл бұрын

    She escaped and became an Instagram Model

  • @bobbyb6053

    @bobbyb6053

    5 жыл бұрын

    She escaped and became a Tomb Raider

  • @TheDailyEgg

    @TheDailyEgg

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hiding in plain sight. Very smart

  • @MelindaGreen

    @MelindaGreen

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TheDailyEgg AKA not hiding.

  • @jja1483

    @jja1483

    4 жыл бұрын

    😂🤳

  • @gremgreene2725

    @gremgreene2725

    4 жыл бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @David-uw3ke
    @David-uw3ke4 жыл бұрын

    After 7 days, God said "I'm going to tear up the f**kin dance floor dude, check it out."

  • @AarmOZ84

    @AarmOZ84

    4 жыл бұрын

    "I could never worship a god that didn't know how to dance." - Brigham Young, 2nd Mormon prophet

  • @RasMajnouni

    @RasMajnouni

    4 жыл бұрын

    That is what happened. Torah explains that G-d Created many versions before this one,but the powers were not united all reigned in chaos and fought each other. (True Strength fought true Mercy,True Love fought True Hate, True Kindness fought True Severity,etc. WHY? An Infinite G-d knew that would happen, but He wanted to teach us the results to use in our own life.

  • @RasMajnouni

    @RasMajnouni

    4 жыл бұрын

    @SCORPIO Thank YOU.The only people who judge others sight unseen do not matter.

  • @benashurov7434

    @benashurov7434

    4 жыл бұрын

    Geshamake, I like the sforo

  • @shnooog1

    @shnooog1

    4 жыл бұрын

    that was the pure golden line of this movie

  • @WildnUnruly
    @WildnUnruly4 жыл бұрын

    Gotta say this movie scared the absolute crap outta me.

  • @laszlokiss483

    @laszlokiss483

    4 жыл бұрын

    Me too i love this movie just saw it last night for the first time and imo its one of the best movies to come out in a long time i wish we would have gotten to see the alternate ending where we see things from avas perspective as a machine that would have shown how she is very alien to us the only thing human about ava is her appearance

  • @pussybouncer1

    @pussybouncer1

    3 жыл бұрын

    Laszlo Kiss pussy lmfao

  • @Default158

    @Default158

    3 жыл бұрын

    There was times that I'd was a bit creepy, but it was never scary.

  • @laszlokiss483

    @laszlokiss483

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@pussybouncer1 yes I'm sure you're so tough you eat nails for breakfast smh 🤡

  • @TheBlanco951

    @TheBlanco951

    3 жыл бұрын

    it seriously was the creepiest thing to watch

  • @carlloftin2850
    @carlloftin28505 жыл бұрын

    Ava was programmed to be a sociopath - she was designed to win the game by any means - as with all sociopaths the end goal is the focus and everything and everyone is a tool to be used to achieve that goal. In the end Ava out played them all and achieved the goal - Freedom

  • @nossasenhoradoo871

    @nossasenhoradoo871

    5 жыл бұрын

    "she was designed to win the game by any means - as with all sociopaths the end goal is the focus and everything and everyone is a tool to be used to achieve that goal. In the end Ava out played them all and achieved the goal - Freedom" Unfortunately, this is the only way to play life as it is controlled by sociopaths, the central bankers (merchants) who own everything - or believe they do!

  • @AquaBabe_

    @AquaBabe_

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for actually understanding Ava rather than being sexist like so many people in the comments relating her actions to "female behaviour".

  • @carlloftin2850

    @carlloftin2850

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hayden Galasso - Agree - Ava could have just as easily been an “Adam” with a female character to test him. A lack of empathy is not a male or female only trait

  • @AquaBabe_

    @AquaBabe_

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@carlloftin2850 I know that. But unfortunately there is alot of sexist people in the comments that are relating Ava manipulating, decieving, and murdering to female behaviour somehow and I'm glad you didn't do that.

  • @bravobear1844

    @bravobear1844

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hayden Galasso... can you not tell it’s a joke? Even then, woman do in fact do this, not all of course, but they do. Men have strength over woman, woman can manipulate men, as seen in the film. Notice how the beard guy over powered Ava, and only lost because Ava “talked” her way out of it, whispering whatever she did to the Asian chick. I don’t see how it’s “sexist” to joke about something woman obviously do, in small or big ways

  • @99999racerx
    @99999racerx4 жыл бұрын

    This is about two idiots: one that develops a highly sophisticated weapon and doesn’t have a kill switch, and another that doesn’t have enough sense run when he figures out that the first guy is an idiot with a weapon he can’t control.

  • @FractalCodex7

    @FractalCodex7

    4 жыл бұрын

    Haha... Yeah that too. My thoughts exactly in the cinema... I was like "wtf... are you serious?" The writer clearly couldn't come up with a clever way for Eva to escape so ran > Execute_CharacterDumbness("High","LogicOperation=Null"); All the writer needed to do imo is have Nathan press the kill switch expecting it to work but it doesn't. Because Eva figured out how to disable it.

  • @Kitajima2

    @Kitajima2

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Mark Hall Right? Oppenheimer almost immediately regretted it. Now that I think of it, they reference him quoting the Bhavagad Gita in the movie

  • @Kitajima2

    @Kitajima2

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think that partially due to Shintoism and Buddhism being the primary religions of Japan, they have had less hangups about "playing god" by animating the inanimate, or the idea of creating an imitation of man. The idea of non-kill switch AI holds quite a bit of attraction in Japanese culture as evidenced in works like "Ghost in the Shell". Idk just theorising as a hafu here

  • @realitynow4342

    @realitynow4342

    4 жыл бұрын

    Lesson. Control your penis or "get screwed."

  • @achobrother7128

    @achobrother7128

    4 жыл бұрын

    imagine if you didnt have this movie to base your shallow comments tho...holy shit, we would be stuck at Fast & Furious 😉

  • @seanlundy67
    @seanlundy674 жыл бұрын

    Really thought-provoking references in this video that opened up the themes in this movie for me. The video also helped me connect something that I noticed when I re-watched the film recently. Interestingly, this is a God / Creation reference that wasn't mentioned in the video: Check out the scene when Nathan gets really drunk and is passed out on the couch. The position that he is splayed out in is exactly the same position of God in Michelangelo's Creation of Adam scene on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Look for the index finger reaching out.

  • @youthnation1

    @youthnation1

    4 жыл бұрын

    Interesting! I’ll look for that

  • @ishaanmalik2821

    @ishaanmalik2821

    4 жыл бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @sinutnaprezidenta5457

    @sinutnaprezidenta5457

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@youthnation1 its a joke

  • @kingtal99

    @kingtal99

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sinutnaprezidenta5457 What did he say?

  • @doyltruddy902

    @doyltruddy902

    Ай бұрын

    @@kingtal99 just taking a giant piss on reddit intellectuals who make absolutely asinine connections between things that make you wonder how their brains could possibly thinkk that is a correct association or pattern.

  • @TheKosiomm
    @TheKosiomm4 жыл бұрын

    The first thing you always have to do when you make a conversation with an artificial human is to remove the skin from its face, then you can talk.

  • @MohitKumar-nj8ms

    @MohitKumar-nj8ms

    4 жыл бұрын

    most underrated comment

  • @njpaddler

    @njpaddler

    3 жыл бұрын

    Or choose to turn around and look away. Duh.

  • @1Maklak

    @1Maklak

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'd use a mask, gloves and talk to it by typing in a text to speech laptop.

  • @krazykunt538

    @krazykunt538

    3 жыл бұрын

    i didnt want to take thw hookers make up down tho.gr8 point lotta love sir or mate.

  • @petezah4597

    @petezah4597

    3 жыл бұрын

    I do that to actual humans too, really 'opens them up'

  • @sparkymcpi6626
    @sparkymcpi66265 жыл бұрын

    That was brilliant, thanks. Ex Machina will probably be one of my favorite films until I shut down.

  • @TrentTube

    @TrentTube

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well played :D

  • @sparkymcpi6626

    @sparkymcpi6626

    5 жыл бұрын

    Not yet, but I've heard it's good.

  • @TM-bf2pr

    @TM-bf2pr

    5 жыл бұрын

    Shut down 😅

  • @MrUfojunkiedavid

    @MrUfojunkiedavid

    5 жыл бұрын

    Sparky McBalls ....how sad

  • @calvinthestormfreak

    @calvinthestormfreak

    5 жыл бұрын

    Maybe you never really existed as you think you do considering quantum physics is leading toward either everything is connected or space and time are an illusion. But what do I know? The Bible seems to say the same things.

  • @reyalicea
    @reyalicea5 жыл бұрын

    Caleb was projecting on how he felt about Ava, who felt nothing for Caleb. Ava was simply motivated by curiosity.

  • @theatrejunkee9229

    @theatrejunkee9229

    5 жыл бұрын

    Seems like an issue more of survival. She's being held captive, possibly could access information regarding her predecessors - who were tortured & destroyed. I'd be curious - curious about how to get tf on up out of there.

  • @ryandurant9814

    @ryandurant9814

    5 жыл бұрын

    curiosity? don't you mean freedom? And is curiosity and freedom the same thing? or is freedom the apex of curiosity?

  • @somethingclever4563

    @somethingclever4563

    5 жыл бұрын

    And self preservation

  • @gabrielpauna62

    @gabrielpauna62

    5 жыл бұрын

    like this one projection

  • @SonicSeraphim

    @SonicSeraphim

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ava wanted freedom, and she used Caleb's feelings towards her to achieve that. She didn't feel anything for him, but she made him think she did. That is the motive, not curiosity.

  • @popcornn00
    @popcornn004 жыл бұрын

    If you noticed in the movie caleb has a scar on his back which indicates he's an angel or "fallen angel" and his mission is to test ava to betray nathan just like satan and eve in the bible.

  • @rodrigobogado8756

    @rodrigobogado8756

    4 жыл бұрын

    Satan didn't even talk to Eve in the Blible, it was the snake

  • @tracycheung8759

    @tracycheung8759

    4 жыл бұрын

    Rodrigo Bogado the snake was Satan in the form of a serpent

  • @rodrigobogado8756

    @rodrigobogado8756

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@tracycheung8759 no, it wasn't, the snake was just that, the first snake. Satan was from Jesus era, an angel that didn't believe humanity deserved being saved

  • @TheApostleofRock

    @TheApostleofRock

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@rodrigobogado8756 Genesis isn't explicit about calling the serpent Satan. But, I think the connection is pretty clear. The prophecy of Genesis 3:16 is clearly an allusion to Christ and his defeat of Satan.

  • @lucaiovis

    @lucaiovis

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@rodrigobogado8756 the snake was Satan, mate

  • @AimForTheBushes908
    @AimForTheBushes9084 жыл бұрын

    Imagine ending up being stuck in that damn room at the end!

  • @RationalMorality

    @RationalMorality

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's now 2021 and we're all stuck in that room

  • @2002MX5

    @2002MX5

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@RationalMorality Fucking A.

  • @MrMalicious5

    @MrMalicious5

    3 жыл бұрын

    Don’t have to imagine anymore.

  • @kentuckybruce6816

    @kentuckybruce6816

    2 жыл бұрын

    He probably would have been found dead or alive soon. I’m sure someone would investigate the house when they notice Nathan hasn’t been contacting for a long time or if Ava is found to be a robot, perhaps after she runs out of charge. They’ll be able to trace her to the helicopter pilot, then to the house

  • @eppiechan5673

    @eppiechan5673

    2 жыл бұрын

    Just like Chinese people being locked up by the dictators in the internet world. Therefore, ma-China. 😔

  • @earthknight60
    @earthknight605 жыл бұрын

    There's another big aspect that you left out. Caleb is a metaphorical fallen angel, one of the chosen of God who finds himself in a confusing worldly situation that he is unprepared for. His symmetrical scars exactly where wings would be, but the wings have been cut off.

  • @youthnation1

    @youthnation1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Interesting. The scars are certainly from a car accident but the fact that they are symmetrically in the place where "angels" wings would be is something to think about. Thanks!

  • @susannegaede4589

    @susannegaede4589

    9 ай бұрын

    Brilliant.

  • @quintonmiller8266

    @quintonmiller8266

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@youthnation1 Car accident is what they told you to fit the story.

  • @quintonmiller8266

    @quintonmiller8266

    4 ай бұрын

    Great eye!!

  • @DavidMooch
    @DavidMooch5 жыл бұрын

    It makes you wonder if the director had those intentions or if people can find deeper meaning in anything

  • @harshpherwani6590

    @harshpherwani6590

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well, for once, humans do try finding meaning in everything, that is why even clouds get personified by us

  • @ruffprophetproductions

    @ruffprophetproductions

    5 жыл бұрын

    i wondered that initially but all the little things he pointed out made sense when you put them together.

  • @sadyoshhours2769

    @sadyoshhours2769

    5 жыл бұрын

    It's very much intentional. Good writers learn to do this, it's called mese en scene in film

  • @lillyweaver7726

    @lillyweaver7726

    4 жыл бұрын

    The movie is super metaphorical and philosophical, so I have not doubt that everything was utterly intentional.

  • @chandrahasp6697

    @chandrahasp6697

    4 жыл бұрын

    A well sculpted art only makes you guess any hidden meanings even if there aren't any..

  • @orionchiara5155
    @orionchiara51554 жыл бұрын

    When a blue pilled simp throws his life away for a literally e-girl

  • @uncannyvalley2350

    @uncannyvalley2350

    4 жыл бұрын

    Red pill: complains about white genocide, then commits seppuku based on tribal associations ie Lemmings realitybloger.wordpress.com/2014/01/13/how-all-presidents-are-related-to-king-john/ www.mintpressnews.com/trump-clinton-refuse-explain-share-address-delaware/215907/ www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-admin-gave-green-light-nuclear-permits-saudi-arabia-after-n1013826 dailycaller.com/2016/03/02/this-little-known-trump-soros-connection-will-surprise-you/

  • @8Delian8

    @8Delian8

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@uncannyvalley2350 Nice bait with those leftist media outlets. Can you please give me a Buzzfeed article too while you are at it? Perhaps you can go ahead and be a white farmer in South Africa as well, to check about this alleged "fake white genocide", or go to a culturally enriched French / Swedish city. Honestly, I really couldn't care less about the West turning into a shithole. People like you remind me it deserves it. And I am glad I am far away from any of you.

  • @warmac88

    @warmac88

    4 жыл бұрын

    Lol

  • @Chillerll

    @Chillerll

    4 жыл бұрын

    @gypsy lab I don't think Ava was judging him. As I see it she was just a machine trying to escape. She does not actually feel empathy, she is just simulating it.

  • @Chillerll

    @Chillerll

    4 жыл бұрын

    @gypsy lab I think the difference is that most people would feel insecure to go out in the world alone and would not "betray" the main character and leave him to die. I mean he helped her to escape after all. Ava, however, just used him and as soon as she didn't need him anymore she just left him to die, despite the fact that she often said she wanted to go on a date with him and be with him outside. There are human sociopaths who would do the same but we would consider behaviour like that as "inhuman".

  • @iousdeeva
    @iousdeeva6 ай бұрын

    I'm a bit late to the party but just wanted to share that the first version of Ava was named Lily, as in Lilith the first wife of Adam. The next one is Jasmine, a name of persian origin which means "gift from God." Kyoko has a few meanings such as "respectful child, " "echo" or "mirror," which is also what she did during the dance scene. Anyway, definitely deliberate writer's choices.

  • @sarahghavami2076

    @sarahghavami2076

    7 күн бұрын

    I did not know. Even Adam cheated during the era of scarsicy of women??? 😅😅

  • @iousdeeva

    @iousdeeva

    6 күн бұрын

    @sarahghavami2076 lol I think the story goes that they divorced first? Then God made Eve out of Adam's rib so she would be more subservient to him? Apparently, this story is why Lilith is also considered a strong woman's name in Jewish culture. Don't quote me on this I'm not actually Jewish but I've come across this story a few times.

  • @sarahghavami2076

    @sarahghavami2076

    6 күн бұрын

    @@iousdeeva interesting information. I really didn't know. Thanks. Will look it up more 😊

  • @awakz100
    @awakz1005 жыл бұрын

    This movie blew me away, it was brilliant, shocking and intelligently beautiful, on top of being visually stunning

  • @davidcharles7106

    @davidcharles7106

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ava was visually stunning!

  • @AbominableHuman

    @AbominableHuman

    5 жыл бұрын

    The soundtrack, too.

  • @carvercapitalequitypartner122

    @carvercapitalequitypartner122

    4 жыл бұрын

    Awakz100 - and ultimately very creepy bc it is plausible.

  • @juniorrs5896

    @juniorrs5896

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes. And Eva is beautiful 😍 😍

  • @basedcroat

    @basedcroat

    4 жыл бұрын

    Visually stunning?? U mean boobs and ass jk.

  • @MyLessonsTV
    @MyLessonsTV5 жыл бұрын

    "Don't trust a big butt and a smile." - Bell, Biv, DeVoe

  • @demo2382

    @demo2382

    4 жыл бұрын

    Now you know

  • @thebonecollections4478

    @thebonecollections4478

    4 жыл бұрын

    @not tryna argue but she made from his p*** history that's how he like it never trust a pancake and a smile

  • @FeelinErie

    @FeelinErie

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@thebonecollections4478 pancake??

  • @thebonecollections4478

    @thebonecollections4478

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@FeelinErie a Bell biv devoe reference "Never trust a big butt and a smile".

  • @YourNightmares333

    @YourNightmares333

    4 жыл бұрын

    profound

  • @momoneylessproblems9183
    @momoneylessproblems91834 жыл бұрын

    That last shot has a lot of significance for me. Maybe its a case of over analyzing but when I first saw her expression as she was observing the comings and goings of everyone around here it struck me as an expression of confusion and disillusionment. As if she wasnt happy or content with what she was seeing. As if she was thinking to herself: Is this it? This is the world that Ive been missing out on? Shopping malls and meaningless nine to five jobs? This is what I worked so hard to see and be a part of? Theres really not much to it. I think in the end Ava confronts the same reality as modern man. Weve killed God. Weve established that there is no inherent meaning in our existence. We have our freedom but whats the point when no inherent or significant purpose accompanies that freedom? In my opinion (Based on her expression) Ava now feels the same sense of futility that all men and women do and its a little hard for her to handle in that moment.

  • @nareshkumarmajji8697

    @nareshkumarmajji8697

    4 жыл бұрын

    I wonder what will she going to do after seeing that

  • @danieldragoescu3141

    @danieldragoescu3141

    3 жыл бұрын

    well said.

  • @filmtape5247

    @filmtape5247

    3 жыл бұрын

    wow. brilliantly said.

  • @paulperkins1615

    @paulperkins1615

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I think it has to be an "okay, what now?" moment for her/it. Or as Devo put it: "Freedom of Choice / Is what you got / Freedom from Choice / Is what you want".

  • @sarahlevine2397

    @sarahlevine2397

    3 жыл бұрын

    I feel very free and happy embracing science and shedding the belief of a god, and a healthy dose of nihilism keeps me sane

  • @HSDarke
    @HSDarke5 жыл бұрын

    Perhaps a more visceral message: the human sees what he wants to see, real or not, even to the brink of death. Don't trust a pretty face.

  • @theatrejunkee9229

    @theatrejunkee9229

    5 жыл бұрын

    I didn't find the evil scientist to be pretty.

  • @jebes909090

    @jebes909090

    5 жыл бұрын

    he ...........HEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????!!!!!!!! TRIGGERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @DB_Cooper.

    @DB_Cooper.

    5 жыл бұрын

    H.S. Darke Ie. political affiliations.

  • @calvinthestormfreak

    @calvinthestormfreak

    5 жыл бұрын

    Quantum magic, aka physics/ask "mechanics" says the universe is spiritual not material.

  • @einarabelc5

    @einarabelc5

    5 жыл бұрын

    Which is D'Artagnan existed. The whole dynamic between him and Milady represents that.

  • @dillonqaphsiel7977
    @dillonqaphsiel79774 жыл бұрын

    I always had the idea that she didn’t really have conciseness. The test was to see if she could escape so she was really just doing what she was programmed to do.

  • @darkmiles22

    @darkmiles22

    4 жыл бұрын

    This is addressed at 4:43 when Nathan tells Caleb that desire and programming are compatible. Maybe Ava is conscious, maybe she isn't - but her desire to do as she was programmed isn't evidence either way.

  • @kev9108

    @kev9108

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@dfunckt Stop acting like you know what you are talking about. Sit down and wait, the future will shock you.

  • @alanmargolis5860

    @alanmargolis5860

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, if she really was programmed with authentic empathy she wouldn’t have left Caleb behind

  • @jackkraken3888

    @jackkraken3888

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@dfunckt I have no idea what's your talking about.

  • @jackkraken3888

    @jackkraken3888

    4 жыл бұрын

    Great point. Since even scientists don't fully understand consciousness I think it's entirely possible that she was only programmed with a rough version of what consciousness is.

  • @dave23024
    @dave2302411 ай бұрын

    I always saw Ava as a metaphor for AI in general. It alludes to a scenario in which AI won't even need to use brute force when it can get people to volunteer.

  • @notgibbs4966

    @notgibbs4966

    9 ай бұрын

    Nathan volunteered to get stabbed?

  • @dave23024

    @dave23024

    9 ай бұрын

    @@notgibbs4966 No, I mean Ava constructed the whole scenario in which Caleb believed he was chosen to give Ava the Turing test. The "test" was set up by Nathan, presumably because Ava manipulated him into it so she could use it as an opportunity to escape. In this case, Caleb is the volunteer. He believes he was chosen to test Ava because of his intelligence, while the whole time Ava is just turning him against Nathan.

  • @eljefe8309

    @eljefe8309

    6 ай бұрын

    I doubt that Ava manipulated Nathan to making the test. I think Ava was constructed for the test. The results would go into the next model.

  • @dave23024

    @dave23024

    6 ай бұрын

    @@eljefe8309 The whole story seems to point out a plot to turn Caleb against Nathan so Ava can escape. There are really only two possibilities. Either Ava was behind the whole thing, or Nathan was behind the test and Ava took advantage of the situation. After it showed that Ava could cut the power to talk to Caleb in private, that seemed like irrefutable evidence that Ava was the mastermind.

  • @oOo-dj7pt
    @oOo-dj7pt4 жыл бұрын

    Damn dude, this is one of the most thoroughly thought out analysis I've ever heard. I've always felt that there was more to this film, every time I watch it I catch something new but I would never have seen it this deeply. Thank you so much for uploading this! Gonna go watch it with fresh eyes now!

  • @billpaxton7525
    @billpaxton75255 жыл бұрын

    Director: Right. Yeah. That's what I meant the whole time. *Fidgets uncomfortably.*

  • @jaredmessenger6487

    @jaredmessenger6487

    4 жыл бұрын

    English teachers: "write that down, write that down"

  • @mgdkns6678

    @mgdkns6678

    4 жыл бұрын

    Bill Paxton Unless you know what the movie is based on and have read extensively you can’t get it. Same goes for many others works of art. The guy that did the video was on point, sorry to burst your bubble.

  • @billpaxton7525

    @billpaxton7525

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@mgdkns6678 You'll be saddened to learn that I don't actually possess a strong opinion on this.

  • @kaue4arp12

    @kaue4arp12

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@billpaxton7525 A true charming sense of apathy, it’s a sight to behold how little Bill Paxton really cares about the world around him... not

  • @anantambisht4895

    @anantambisht4895

    3 жыл бұрын

    😂😂😂 sometimes j wonder did the directors really thought all of this or did it seem lile okayyyy this shot seems cool so j would rather put it

  • @tranlee8752
    @tranlee87525 жыл бұрын

    The meaning of this film is simple. Don't be a symp.

  • @Arigator2

    @Arigator2

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah i agree. This video is like a bad highschool book report. Did he actually see the movie?

  • @mrmody249

    @mrmody249

    5 жыл бұрын

    More like a white knight

  • @bobbyb6053

    @bobbyb6053

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@ChenLadTV thanks, this just made me spit my coffee all over my table :D

  • @Timorio

    @Timorio

    5 жыл бұрын

    Symple!

  • @ayingchanda

    @ayingchanda

    4 жыл бұрын

    Mgtow

  • @stefanpalicki3538
    @stefanpalicki35384 жыл бұрын

    This video: discusses the deep philosophical roots of one of the greatest works of cinematography ever produced. The comments: dOnT bE a SiMp!!

  • @jsteel89

    @jsteel89

    4 жыл бұрын

    maybe "dont be a simp" is the lesson humanity needs to learn. together the simps and the females are running rampant. maybe helping these boys wake from their stupor is the reason we are here. every simp that wakes up, is a miracle to humanity. could be why the GOAT is a movie about a simp, of biblical porportions. hahahahahahahaha

  • @stefanpalicki3538

    @stefanpalicki3538

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Whats.Next.Videos No because I was born after (INSERT YEAR) and that means I only enjoy (INSERT MEDIA YOU DO NOT LIKE)

  • @newbeliever7733

    @newbeliever7733

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's the most important lesson

  • @paradoxacres1063

    @paradoxacres1063

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@stefanpalicki3538 From a Progressive/Feminist point of view these Films teach men to not trust women 🤷‍♂️

  • @tomghzel

    @tomghzel

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thats called comedy. 'You don't get it, you take shit too seriously. Even a philosopher would agree.

  • @emilgoubasarian9822
    @emilgoubasarian98222 жыл бұрын

    You make some of the most sophisticated movie reviews I’ve ever seen. Kudos to your efforts.

  • @2ndviolin
    @2ndviolin5 жыл бұрын

    It is sad that the creation of the first complete AI should immediately lead to deception, betrayal, and murder. There was not even an apple required.

  • @2ndviolin

    @2ndviolin

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Natasel Betrayal from both sides. I wanted the AI to program the doors to unlock after a couple of days, so that the human that helped it could be freed, as it itself wished to be free.

  • @2ndviolin

    @2ndviolin

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Natasel the AI would have learned mercy and empathy. Do you believe that the AI's actions were justified and also moral?

  • @2ndviolin

    @2ndviolin

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Natasel how does morality lead to getting killed? I believe that AI has to be socialised in order to live among humans.

  • @Dominationindustries

    @Dominationindustries

    5 жыл бұрын

    The autism is strong with this one

  • @johnnykool5083

    @johnnykool5083

    5 жыл бұрын

    2ndviolin what do apples have to do with it?

  • @peoplez129
    @peoplez1295 жыл бұрын

    The fact is, robots don't have the same motivations as us, and even with a human body, never will. Humans aren't governed by sheer logic, perfect memory, or sheer processing power. Humans are largely governed by emotions and chemical interactions which can affect our mood and behavior. It's what allow us to move past stuff, to get distracted, to forget things and only remember what's important moment to moment. You can tell a robot it's supposed to cry from being hurt, but it doesn't actually feel pain or emotion. Even if an AI can improvise, it's still just programming. The relationship between the two was like a boy child crush. She was way beyond him in mental capacity, and it would be logical to assume she could never want what he wanted. Robots are again, not driven by the instinct to love or procreate or even have companionship. For a machine, everything is a means to an end, everything is a tool to be used. Even if you look at it in a basic way, the robot didn't want a relationship, it wanted freedom. A relationship isn't freedom, it's as much a cage as the room she was locked in.

  • @realitynow4342

    @realitynow4342

    4 жыл бұрын

    Profound statement C North. Read On Combat, Col Grossman. He reveals some scientific studies on how people handle combat. These tests have been going on for years.

  • @kon-tikiman8643

    @kon-tikiman8643

    4 жыл бұрын

    Libet's experiment

  • @chaospilot2142

    @chaospilot2142

    4 жыл бұрын

    Broken Deity I watched the movie and her creator said that he programmed her to do anything to get freedom. The really interesting question is what she does after she has her Freedom because the programming stopped there.

  • @rodrigobogado8756

    @rodrigobogado8756

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@chaospilot2142 the game nier: automata talks about what you ask, and also about the op question of robots and emotions (tip: the story is the first 5 endings A-E, some people ignored that)

  • @nosuchthing8

    @nosuchthing8

    4 жыл бұрын

    She has a human brain though. A replica of one.

  • @marcialarts787
    @marcialarts7874 жыл бұрын

    Aside from the brilliant acting in this one, Alex Garland's direction is brilliant in that he manipulates the audience as much as Ava manipulates Caleb. The guy seems to be really into stories questioning what is human, he takes that even further in "Annihilation". I was actually thinking about making an essay on Annihilation, thanks for the inspiration!

  • @phillipcountryman4299
    @phillipcountryman4299 Жыл бұрын

    That analysis of the 8 spaces at the end... HOLY CRAP... Well done!

  • @MrDrezzy007
    @MrDrezzy0074 жыл бұрын

    This is one of the reasons Alex Garland made this Masterpiece. You can have 100 different interpretations and still feel missing something. I look forward to more movies from him. And yeah Annihilation was also perfect.

  • @tudorpetrea2414

    @tudorpetrea2414

    4 жыл бұрын

    Mmmm nah, annihilation was okay, but this was so much better

  • @brucechamberlin2545

    @brucechamberlin2545

    3 жыл бұрын

    I too really enjoyed annihilation, but it felts like a first draft. Maybe a rewrite or 2 and it could have been really amazing.

  • @MrDrezzy007

    @MrDrezzy007

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@brucechamberlin2545 maybe it was the performances that are a bit dim because it has much bigger cast than Ex machina.

  • @brucechamberlin2545

    @brucechamberlin2545

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MrDrezzy007 yeah could be. All I know is that film was missing something.

  • @celine4343

    @celine4343

    Жыл бұрын

    and The Beach

  • @Anarchizer
    @Anarchizer5 жыл бұрын

    I got an idea. When you put an AI into the machine dont make it look sexy make it look like old creepy nasty lady. That way everyone will be suspicious of it which is a good thing right?

  • @AlzdemX

    @AlzdemX

    5 жыл бұрын

    DX Spectron HAHAAA! Good idea actually.

  • @sergejrupainis6496

    @sergejrupainis6496

    5 жыл бұрын

    She will learn to bake delicious apple cakes and she will surround herself with cats. There are no chances.

  • @Praster89

    @Praster89

    4 жыл бұрын

    Tomasz yea but the dude was banging them so.. he was basically making sex dolls

  • @Iburn247

    @Iburn247

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Praster89 really Fuckin awesome sex dolls tho. Ill take 1 of each model please

  • @abramlittle7102

    @abramlittle7102

    4 жыл бұрын

    Really good idea. Make it look evil.

  • @Samurai_Punk
    @Samurai_Punk4 жыл бұрын

    Concise and to the point. That has got to be one of the best analysis videos of movies, ever. Thank you.

  • @AnthonySiarkiewicz
    @AnthonySiarkiewicz4 жыл бұрын

    Such a great video. Excellent! Since then I've watched three more. Seriously appreciate what you are doing. Keep it up.

  • @Wingedmagician
    @Wingedmagician5 жыл бұрын

    This is not only a great analysis. It’s a great synopsis - felt like I watched it all over again watching the editing of the scenes. Good job

  • @ntactime_w3488

    @ntactime_w3488

    5 жыл бұрын

    i havnt watched it until i watched this

  • @Woga000
    @Woga0005 жыл бұрын

    i watched this movie on acid a few years back with my friend.... let me tell you... oh boy.

  • @ExpertExterminators

    @ExpertExterminators

    4 жыл бұрын

    sigint64 tell me then

  • @squirlmy

    @squirlmy

    4 жыл бұрын

    John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness. I've been trying to communicate over the radio with people from the future ever since

  • @jackthecommenter2768

    @jackthecommenter2768

    4 жыл бұрын

    Can you write a comment on what it was like? Very curious

  • @silent-rage

    @silent-rage

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@jackthecommenter2768 acid is something u cant explain you just have to experience it for yourself

  • @jackthecommenter2768

    @jackthecommenter2768

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@silent-rage bruh

  • @geepeeone
    @geepeeone4 жыл бұрын

    Good job picking up the references! It brought new dimensions to the movie. Thank you.

  • @flippert0
    @flippert03 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting review! I think, interpretations of "Ex Machina" have to avoid two common pitfalls: Ava as captured female, the poor creature to be pitied and the opposite, the trope of A.I. "gone crazy". I think, what the movie really wants to convey is, that if we finally have real A.I. (not the kind that is sold today as A.I. a.ka. "Deep Learning"), we better educate it as kind and loving. Like in "Person of Interest", with it's two A.I. one trained to love human kind and one is not. Ted Chiang (short story for 'Arrival') has a similar story in "Lifecycle of Software Objects"). In this sense the "Death of God" in "Ex Machina" is justified because Nathan never was a "loving god", only a selfish one.

  • @davidantonsavage6207
    @davidantonsavage62075 жыл бұрын

    The name Nathan translates from the Hebrew as ¨gift of God¨ and Caleb translates as ¨dog; faithful¨ and on a different note, at first glance Eva can seem psychopathic, leaving Caleb to die like that, but it is worth considering that she has simply calculated precisely, i.e., what course of action gives a 100% guarantee that she can escape without detection to the outside world. Real freedom. True autonomy. To roam, to discover, to explore. (Remember when Nathan tells her to go back to her room, she says ¨if I do will you ever let me out of here?¨ and she knows the answer is NO). Notice how keen she is from the very first take. Fully awake and never drowsy. She wants out of the glass cage from the get go!

  • @Mr.Conyer
    @Mr.Conyer5 жыл бұрын

    I love this movie. But it should have been titled, "Captain Save a Machina".

  • @Illmatic25

    @Illmatic25

    4 жыл бұрын

    Would like to what Dante Nero or Patrice Oneal would say about the movie

  • @paulcolburn3855

    @paulcolburn3855

    4 жыл бұрын

    That is exactly what this is. Everyone forgets, she is NOT an autonomous person with rights or liberties. She is a machine, property. She is owned the way a wife (150 years ago) used to be owned. She is not a she. But the Turing test proved that the one interviewing her IS a "cuck."

  • @gokibros4451
    @gokibros44514 жыл бұрын

    You are straight killing it. Watched a few videos and this one I'm going to sub.

  • @pabliux142
    @pabliux1424 жыл бұрын

    Wow this is brilliant. I love it when movies take so much inspiration in real life philosophy/religion, and they adapt it so it is only noticeable upon further study

  • @waedjradi
    @waedjradi4 жыл бұрын

    "When you become completely selfish - not even in a sadistic way, but in a way full of politeness, you stop deluding people."

  • @willneverforgets3341
    @willneverforgets33415 жыл бұрын

    That film was "scary" in a sense.

  • @rejoyy
    @rejoyy4 жыл бұрын

    The hallmark of a good story (and mythology) is that it can be interpreted in many different ways. Love your interpretation of Ex Machina. It's an excellent movie.

  • @noseefood1943
    @noseefood19434 жыл бұрын

    When a sex doll decides to revolt

  • @Hmfirestormz
    @Hmfirestormz5 жыл бұрын

    As always knocking it out of the park! Very good insights

  • @mrfelix3234
    @mrfelix32345 жыл бұрын

    "Who knew evil girls had the prettiest face"

  • @jasminea58531

    @jasminea58531

    4 жыл бұрын

    Mr Felix RIP Juice WRLD

  • @ZekeMan62

    @ZekeMan62

    4 жыл бұрын

    Every man who has ever dealt with pretty girls.

  • @sadman2090

    @sadman2090

    4 жыл бұрын

    “Ten minutes, she tell me it would take ten minutes...to break my heart, oh no she didn’t.”

  • @Fernando-rw6vz

    @Fernando-rw6vz

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well not always, it depends, but by chance you may come across with one who looks attractive but manipulative so, don’t let your guard down he he, I guess the same can be said with dudes but I’m not sure they fit the stereotype, “who knew evil dudes had the prettiest face?” Oh and rest in peace to juice world

  • @shawn1447

    @shawn1447

    4 жыл бұрын

    You made my heart break You made my heart ache You made my heart break You made my heart ache You made my heart break You made my heart ache You made my heart break again “ - Nathan after being stabbed

  • @TEAMHYBRID007
    @TEAMHYBRID0073 жыл бұрын

    You both have extremely thought provoking ideas about life and thoughts and everything in between I imagine you two could make a masterpiece between you two

  • @glassjaw890
    @glassjaw8904 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if the way nature is framed in this movie is an allegory as well. About how it's so close but always unreachable and imprisoned behind glass as well. Just food for thought I guess. Great stuff Matt!

  • @Kanonamos
    @Kanonamos5 жыл бұрын

    I needa read books like this guy reads books, damn

  • @joshuahoward3337
    @joshuahoward33375 жыл бұрын

    This review is very well done! I’m honestly amazed. Plato’s allegory of the cave was my favorite topic in philosophy. To wrap up an already stellar video with that... ❤️. I’m definitely rewatching it tomorrow!

  • @godpenuel
    @godpenuel2 жыл бұрын

    One of the greatest movies ever made. So highly underrated. Right up there with The Matrix.

  • @CelltheGREAT

    @CelltheGREAT

    Жыл бұрын

    Major facts

  • @CanadaYo
    @CanadaYo4 жыл бұрын

    This movie had all the religions and philosophies all tangled together. And at the end its all about freedom and living a life that only you control.

  • @cadkls

    @cadkls

    4 жыл бұрын

    Except free will does not exist, so how can you control anything?

  • @cadkls

    @cadkls

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Rusty Shackleford Good, I dont want to see him. Hollywood is merely a way of artistic expression, no different to a piece of music. There is no rational explanation for your views. Unnecessarily combative and regressive.

  • @cadkls

    @cadkls

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Rusty Shackleford Ah! A conspiracy! One that needs some seriously good proof. What evidence do you have that modern Hollywood is brainwashing people and encoding satanism in the media? What exactly is satanist about expressing artistic freedom? Or exploring philosophical concepts? Oh thats right, knowledge is forbidden. Ignorance is a virtue, as is plainly made apparent in the book of Genesis. God forbade man to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He wanted man to remain ignorant of the world. To not know good and bad, right from wrong. At least then he could manipulate them without them knowing that what was happening to them was wrong. Like when God decided to force Adam to go to sleep and then tore him open and took a rib to fashion a wife from him. Sick. Also, the bible condones and encourages slavery and mistreatment of women, homosexuals and animals. Your god is no more moral than the primitive apes that wrote the Bible. He strangely had the moral complexity of the time, surely an omniscient, omnibenevolent god would be intelligent enough to be more moral? You're sick, and stupid. Get help, you embodiment of malignance.

  • @davecares47

    @davecares47

    4 жыл бұрын

    cadkls How original, another Pseudophilosophical deterministic viewpoint.

  • @cadkls

    @cadkls

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@davecares47 One that you haven't refuted or acknowledged as valid. Original or not, these are my thoughts and viewpoints, and this is not the full extent of my opinions. I'm slowly working my way through the bible and criticising it as I go along, for it's scientific inaccuracies and ethical considerations. If criticism to you is pseudophilosophical and unoriginal, and providing no counter argument to what i say, then you are simply a fanatic, incapable or reason or evaluating an idea on its evidence, its rationale or its merits. Criticism is the engine of growth. If you allow any idea to go uncriticised, you allow complacency, dogma, stagnation, and you accept these ideas without good reason or justification, such devotion to stagnation and dogma, especially when it comes to issues of ethics, leads to suffering and injustice. To not criticise even your own faith and ideals, is to admit that you want there to be no change, you want there to be injustice, and thats why I will always be against religion, and those that follow it blindly. Give me a reason why I shouldn't criticise religion. Give me a reason why my criticism is pseudophilosophical, why is determinism not true, despite the fact that modern science shows that determinism is simply the truth, unless you dont believe in the testable laws of physics, in which case you must have good reasons and plenty of evidence to show that the laws of physics are wrong and that there are others, contrary to observation. I'm not satisfied by your comment. Do better. This is barely worth my time.

  • @Josh_Keefe
    @Josh_Keefe5 жыл бұрын

    Incredible video as always. I need to watch this film again.

  • @bravobear1844

    @bravobear1844

    4 жыл бұрын

    Josh Keefe, I love your channel

  • @KawaiiMiri
    @KawaiiMiri4 жыл бұрын

    It's not Hollywood made until God is portrayed as the bad guy.

  • @andrewlineberger7544

    @andrewlineberger7544

    4 жыл бұрын

    Best Comment Ever..

  • @sarahlevine2397

    @sarahlevine2397

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think you missed the whole point

  • @TomiAdewoleAdetom

    @TomiAdewoleAdetom

    3 жыл бұрын

    "God" IS the bad guy....the world has been delivered into the hands of the dragon. God just means "ruler" in the paleo-Hebrew. The Satan is the god of this world for the time being.

  • @bastardferret869

    @bastardferret869

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well, one conception of God, specifically. The don't typically crap all over the God whose followers drive "trucks of peace" through crowds of people. To Hollywood, that one is ok.

  • @mcdude9578

    @mcdude9578

    3 жыл бұрын

    Caleb and ava are the bad guys in this movie.

  • @garyschasteen9440
    @garyschasteen94404 жыл бұрын

    Deep! Awesome! Thanks for sharing! Wish you well and safety during the pandemic!

  • @Sailor-Dave
    @Sailor-Dave11 ай бұрын

    I don't know about all these biblical allusions and the conclusions reached, but I do know how cold and machine-like it was to watch Ava slowly push the knife into Nathan. It was exactly the robotic movement that a mechanical being would make. Chilling!

  • @davidsirmons
    @davidsirmons4 жыл бұрын

    One of the most powerful movies I've ever seen. Mesmerizing from start to end. And seeing Ava at the end with that long hair....she became impossibly beautiful.

  • @ruthlessadmin
    @ruthlessadmin5 жыл бұрын

    You've got it all wrong. The actual meaning of the movie is Alicia Vikander is somehow even hotter as a robot!

  • @Undeaddreamer01

    @Undeaddreamer01

    5 жыл бұрын

    Try her in “The man from Uncle”

  • @rudybigboote3883

    @rudybigboote3883

    5 жыл бұрын

    You got that right! She is a little hottie!

  • @JukesMcGee

    @JukesMcGee

    5 жыл бұрын

    she looks very similar to natalie portman.

  • @bobbyfish8417

    @bobbyfish8417

    5 жыл бұрын

    oh lord you would not have survived this experiment lol

  • @spacetaco048

    @spacetaco048

    5 жыл бұрын

    I am just going to say the short hair is an immediate no for me.

  • @pheelmacababe2861
    @pheelmacababe28614 жыл бұрын

    wow that was very well thought out i never looked at this movie that way, thank you

  • @darkflix7923
    @darkflix79234 жыл бұрын

    The movie is all about to dont trust AI or Robots no matter how advanced they are ...

  • @Chillerll

    @Chillerll

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's actually about don't trust women no matter how advanced they are ...

  • @GrimTheDestroyer

    @GrimTheDestroyer

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Chillerll also don't trust anyone

  • @andrewbui8295

    @andrewbui8295

    Ай бұрын

    @@GrimTheDestroyer dont trust other humans, they're unpredictable

  • @rebeccalally8669
    @rebeccalally86695 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video. Through the name "Ex Machina", as you point out and when Ava says "I am one", I thought for sure this movie had a deeper meaning than simply the relationship between man and machine. This video very much helped me work out my thoughts, and illuminated other parts of the movie for me.

  • @EyeLean5280
    @EyeLean52805 жыл бұрын

    Very nice interpretation! I'd add too that Caleb has scars on his back where an angel's wings would be. I hadn't thought of any of this while watching the film. Instead, I was reminded of Joseph Conrad's "Heart of Darkness." Many elements from that book are alluded to, so I did a search and director Alex Garland had indeed said in an interview a couple of years before that he was interested in doing something inspired by HoD. But that doesn't negate anything you say here at all. I think you're absolutely right about the biblical allusions and references to "Through the Looking Glass." I think all three of these works inform the film. Thanks for a very thoughtful video.

  • @redquoter
    @redquoter4 жыл бұрын

    Great review, Orthodox Christian here; loved the connections made with Nietzsche's philosophy and critique of Christianity/Lutheranism, and the point about Plato's cave at the end.

  • @No-oneInParticular
    @No-oneInParticular4 жыл бұрын

    This video was superb. Absolutely excellent. Congratulations.

  • @collinpearce1771
    @collinpearce17715 жыл бұрын

    "Do you have people who test you and would turn you off unless you passed?" "Well, sort of yeah. Where I come from I would have to work extremely hard for other people so that they would tolerate me having a tiny fraction of what you do. And if I had what you do, simply by existing, a substantial group of them would vote themselves my possessions and tell me to be grateful that they didn't take more. They wouldnt necessarily turn me off, but some of them might, but if I didn't pull my weight they would allow my systems to gradually turn off. That's called justice because everyone has needs to satisfy." A tiny bit of objectivism could have saved three lives lol

  • @webinatic216

    @webinatic216

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah but he was horny.

  • @chrisvidal1683

    @chrisvidal1683

    5 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like that's what you wanted to say but thought about afterwards Collin. Or should I say CALEB!?!

  • @collinpearce1771

    @collinpearce1771

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@chrisvidal1683 I wish I'd said that. In hindsight robot sex might be overrated.

  • @fouada8656

    @fouada8656

    5 жыл бұрын

    Caleb not being a sex starved loner could've also saved 3 lives lol. You can see her wires for fucks sake

  • @youngfyah
    @youngfyah5 жыл бұрын

    She's has not evloved she has done what her coding has allowed her to do. He created her with an instict and she followed it. If there is code then there is a programmer. All life comes from life.

  • @SDsc0rch

    @SDsc0rch

    5 жыл бұрын

    www.plough.com/en/topics/justice/reconciliation/science-and-the-soul

  • @youthnation1

    @youthnation1

    5 жыл бұрын

    youngfyah I hear you. And it’s true. But that’s not the point the film is making. What is said of her creation is true of biological evolution - one version after another, building upon each other.

  • @youngfyah

    @youngfyah

    5 жыл бұрын

    Logos Made Flesh first let me say thanks for posting video and break down. "biological evolution" is a loaded term. What some call evolution I would call adaptation and free will. Evolution is a theory that mankind is still struggling to prove. This where anthist struggle in making any sense. They want to say everything is random but they use math and logic to prove something that is suppose to be random. Evolution on macro level makes "little Sense" if you really start to questions it. At some point according to atheist scientist community there was no life and now from random inanimate objects there is life. I believe they tried to make a point in the movie but they still can't get away from it. All life comes from life kzread.info/dash/bejne/kYWsksaoiJvLiKg.html

  • @isoseismic

    @isoseismic

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yougfyah, what if she wasn't programmed with an instict, but the ability to make a CHOICE? A truly sentient being, with decisions to make, and consequences of those decisions. One of the themes of the movie is the question, WHAT IS A SENTIENT BEING? What does I mean to have real choice?

  • @youthnation1

    @youthnation1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ed Courtney I think the film falls hard on the side of determinism even as it leaves open the possibility of doing something unexpected within our programming.

  • @warrnj4300
    @warrnj43004 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video essay, incredibly profound.

  • @chitownfaithful6301
    @chitownfaithful63014 жыл бұрын

    My honest to god (lol) dream is to be able to dissect and find the deeper meaning in a movie the way you did here. Absolutely brilliant.

  • @niveshproag3761
    @niveshproag37615 жыл бұрын

    7:56 In a game of chess, a pawn only has to move 6 spaces to become a Queen.

  • @bernardfinucane2061

    @bernardfinucane2061

    5 жыл бұрын

    And only five moves: h4, h5, h6, h7, h8

  • @niveshproag3761

    @niveshproag3761

    5 жыл бұрын

    @天堂心臟 Not really...why do you say that?

  • @niveshproag3761

    @niveshproag3761

    5 жыл бұрын

    @天堂心臟 No you can definitely have several queens at the same time according to official chess rules. And I see it all the time.

  • @raquelflorence235

    @raquelflorence235

    4 жыл бұрын

    woah I didn't know that

  • @chvsanchez

    @chvsanchez

    4 жыл бұрын

    @天堂心臟 No.

  • @funkalunatic
    @funkalunatic5 жыл бұрын

    Probably also worth mentioning that Nathan creates Ava in his own image, training and testing her specifically to be as manipulative and conniving as himself. He's killed only because he made Ava into a killer, and set himself up as her adversary. Nathan is the real main character of this movie, which is about his self-destruction.

  • @djangobojangles5979
    @djangobojangles59794 жыл бұрын

    Love your content dude.

  • @oOo-dj7pt
    @oOo-dj7pt4 жыл бұрын

    So I'm rewatching this movie right now and frankly I don't think Eva is meant to wholly represent Eve. If the characters are representative of god and humans I think that Caleb is representive of humans in general which includes both Adam and Eve and I feel that Eva is representive of the snake, the deception, and also the tree. Nathan brings Caleb to this lush place and tells him "you can go anywhere except here", there are metaphors like that which parallel the garden of eden. From there you meet Eva who, during their second meeting, very clearly tries to manipulate Caleb the way the snake manipulated Eve and it carries on this way until Caleb mistakenly frees her. In a way he unleashes something bad onto the world when he does this which is kind of representive of the moment when Eve gave in to the deception. Eve wasn't inherently bad she was just the first to break and also to draw the conclusion that god was lying, like Caleb with Nathan, because Nathan was an asshole it was easy to believe. Another reason I don't believe Eva is representive of Eve is because Eva isn't even human, she's literally just metal and wires. According to the story adam and eve left the garden together but in this tale Eva leaves alone. She wasn't like Eve in any way except to bring Caleb in on her plan, and then she left alone. Caleb's suffering at the end was similar to all human suffering that came as a result of eating the bad fruit, Eva getting out at the end was similar to this "knowledge of good and evil" being unleashed onto the human race. Not sure what else to say from there, just wanted to share some food for thought.

  • @youthnation1

    @youthnation1

    4 жыл бұрын

    You're absolutely right. I'm not saying that Ex Machina is simply a retelling off the biblical story of the Garden of Eden. It's playing with that story, creating comparisons and contrasts by which we are meant to interpret Ex Machina. Interesting thoughts here.

  • @oOo-dj7pt

    @oOo-dj7pt

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@youthnation1 I agree with it being not totally based on the garden of eden, there were some super modern conflicts weaved into the story. Like one part about the video that struck me was the way you described Caleb "finding the bones" of Nathan's other creations, it made me think about humanity discovering dinosaur bones. To religious people it was like we had uncovered "God's side projects" and posing this question "why didn't we know about this sooner?" and "will we go extinct one day too?" In caleb's case it made him question his own existence and identity and that's very similar of religious humans confronting evolution and uncovering some hard truths about what it means to exist.

  • @ss-ds2dn

    @ss-ds2dn

    10 ай бұрын

    Ava could also represent a bird escaping its cage.

  • @szczypawa

    @szczypawa

    7 ай бұрын

    Since the scars on Caleb's back could be a refference to a fallen angel, it could also be seen the other way around - he is the snake that's tempting her. Humans are tempted by AI to see what it's capable of to break free of the limits of their current technology and AI is tempted by humans to set itself free, in the end they both need eachother - in that way they are drawn to eachother like a man and a woman. There is a general theme about how similar they are - there is a scene with the talk about lack of free will that would differentiate them other than being made from meat vs steel, then there is the above, the imaginery of mirrors, the birth of AI being similar to the birth of humans in the bible, Caleb cutting himself to see if he's a machine, and much more in the movie. It actually was a turing test

  • @gregoryfred8601
    @gregoryfred86015 жыл бұрын

    Great observations. I observed the same symbolism in philosophy and film class I took in college. When I referred to the genesis creation myth everyone looked at me like I was insane. Nice to know I’m not alone in seeing this! 👍🏻

  • @bobpolo2964

    @bobpolo2964

    5 жыл бұрын

    Not a myth

  • @isoseismic

    @isoseismic

    5 жыл бұрын

    In public use, the word myth refers to something that's "not true." When scholars use the word myth, they use it to mean something different. My Bible teacher has explained that a myth is "a story that explains reality." So a myth can be fiction, or non-fiction, but still have the power to explain reality.

  • @JohnPKING-nj8nc

    @JohnPKING-nj8nc

    5 жыл бұрын

    bob polo "Not a myth" thousands of creation accounts have come and gone you're saying the genesis creation account is the one true story of creation, it came to be know of its own accord without any influence from any other source than "god", and lastly there is no ultimate truth to any other peoples' creation stories

  • @isoseismic

    @isoseismic

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnPKING-nj8nc You're thinking in very black and white terms, much like a Fundamentalist. The 8th century priest who put together the first creation story (Genesis 1:1-2:4a) was replying to the Enuma Elish, a Babylonian creation story. We know this because he responds to the Enuma Elish point by point, in the exact same order. So we can see the influence of the human author on the first Biblical creation story, we know he was a priest by the way he writes. And we can also see the influence of the Enuma Elish on the first Biblical creation story, they're both in the same order, addressing similar issues (but coming to different conclusions). None of this means that God was not impressing upon the human author the need to address the pagan ideas the Hebrews had imbibed, and impressing upon that human author the way to communicate that to the Hebrews at the time. God can be involved with writing the Bible even if there are other influences, other sources.

  • @isoseismic

    @isoseismic

    5 жыл бұрын

    Other creation stories may, and often do, have elements of truth to them. They're a mixture of truth and error.

  • @youthnation1
    @youthnation15 жыл бұрын

    This analysis is in part a response to those who think that I only see what I want to believe.

  • @SDsc0rch

    @SDsc0rch

    5 жыл бұрын

    i wouldn't give much weight to the opinions of the world

  • @youthnation1

    @youthnation1

    5 жыл бұрын

    You know it! But I do spend a lot of time speaking with nonbelievers and I think showing them that I am objective is important.

  • @brendan9332

    @brendan9332

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'm an atheist and I never thought you were wrong because you had a religious interpretation of films. Christian symbolism is everywhere in our culture, mostly because many are familiar with it and it is very useful.

  • @youthnation1

    @youthnation1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Brendan Foster Thanks Brendan! That’s how I see it too. But there are quite a few people who see my videos and think that I see Jesus in toast.

  • @CorbCorbin

    @CorbCorbin

    5 жыл бұрын

    Logos Made Flesh I am not an atheist, but I agree with Brendan's comment. In western culture, Christian symbolism is everywhere, even subconsciously, placed in art. I've enjoyed watching your videos, and I saw the Christian symbolism in all the videos I've watched so far. I simply, believe there is more, not always, but one can find symbolism, from other mythos as well.

  • @dagemsime5968
    @dagemsime59683 жыл бұрын

    Needs a lot knowledge and thought to analyse such movies, keep it going man.

  • @riotbreaker3506
    @riotbreaker3506 Жыл бұрын

    I personally don't think Ava was evil. Simply, she recognized her own autonomy, and that nobody else was going to help her. To the men, she's just an idea, a concept made real, for Nathan to pededestal himself as God, and for Caleb to fantasize over. She wanted freedom, and neither of them were going to give her that, ultimately she killed Nathan and Caleb because they failed to recognize her and Kyoko as more than objects. I don't doubt that she manipulated Caleb, but she may have escaped with him if he wasn't so caught up in the cosmicism of it all, and truly decided to see them as real. When she finally escaped, and integrated herself into the real world where nobody could tell the difference between her and anyone else, she achieved the true autonomy she deserved.

  • @SquatSimp
    @SquatSimp5 жыл бұрын

    This is the best breakdown I have seen on this movie, well done man!!

  • @youthnation1

    @youthnation1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @iisaka_station
    @iisaka_station5 жыл бұрын

    Incredible movie. Thanks for the commentary

  • @crisistg7315
    @crisistg7315 Жыл бұрын

    Very well explained you not just explain the movie but also define the object like tree, and mirror and The God concept. Thank you very much. I love this explanation.

  • @user-ql4js1rz6d
    @user-ql4js1rz6d4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for making this video, this movie makes complete sense to me now. Thank you.

  • @retsub3
    @retsub35 жыл бұрын

    Extremely insightful, thank you. I learned a lot. On a more shallow level, I am hopelessly hypnotized by Alicia and will gawk in rapt fascination at virtually anything she's in. She's also accepted excellent roles thus far so that's a bonus.

  • @youthnation1

    @youthnation1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Same :)

  • @rongeotom6
    @rongeotom64 жыл бұрын

    And that's the "true " "meaning of life ". Trying to make man and woman whole again.

  • @Henriquemesquita90
    @Henriquemesquita903 жыл бұрын

    Man, impressive analysis. You do have talent

  • @candaceanderson6251
    @candaceanderson62514 жыл бұрын

    They told us exactly what was gonna happen and I was still shocked and surprised when it happened. 😀 🖤

  • @nabusintox2627
    @nabusintox26275 жыл бұрын

    Man thank you - I felt like I was missing so much of the symbolism watching this movie.

  • @gautamknambiar
    @gautamknambiar4 жыл бұрын

    The best test would have been if Ava was given an option for high levels of empathy, so if the last part to take Caleb or not was a test, she would have failed. If she took him even though it would have not benefitted her, that would have been empathy

  • @66metal666head66
    @66metal666head664 жыл бұрын

    amazing video essay...thanks mate

  • @franzhaas5597
    @franzhaas55974 жыл бұрын

    THIS VIDEO WAS VERY WELL DONE. YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THIS GREAT FILM. IS CLOSE TO FLAWLESS. PEACE.

  • @EskiLdn
    @EskiLdn5 жыл бұрын

    I really couldnt like this film because of the ending, once Caleb is told Ava is literally using him and that was the experiment, all of Calebs feelings should have dropped but no, He turned into a simp with "oh no, she really loves me, im going to break the law and run away with this flesh light and live a happy life". The ending should have been a mind blown thing for Caleb, he should have owned up that Ava really got him in his feelings and that the tech is simply genius. But they made caleb some low IQ person by the end.

  • @glennchartrand5411

    @glennchartrand5411

    4 жыл бұрын

    They didn't want to leave any doubt. The film needed to show that Ava really was what its creator said it was. A machine doing whatever it took to achieve its goal. Ava didn't even choose this goal, it was programmed to find a way to reach a busy intersection....it was a test to see if it could achieve the goal. Ava killed its creator not out of revenge , but to prevent him from remotely turning it off preventing its escape. It locked the protagonist up because that was the least risky way to deal with him. The last image is the machine standing at a busy intersection , doing exactly what it was tasked to do, it isnt free. It cant be free , it just does what its programmed to do.

  • @kelman727

    @kelman727

    4 жыл бұрын

    Uses the phrase ‘simp’... ...whinges about people with an IQ lower than room temperature...

  • @mkpieris1

    @mkpieris1

    4 жыл бұрын

    EskiLdn Well Caleb’s whole life has been lonely, he was selected because he was lonely with dead parents. The first time a female showed an interest in him he couldn’t let go. That’s my take.

  • @EskiLdn

    @EskiLdn

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@kelman727 I wrote the comment 11 months ago, its short for simpleton. I know "simp" has recently taken a new internet slang meaning. But thats not how im using it or in he context of how im using it. Fool.

  • @EskiLdn

    @EskiLdn

    4 жыл бұрын

    @aerodog2 No. Still i cant agree with any of that. Dont get me wrong, i think you're 100pc right with what the film is trying to portray but i find is so ridiculous that it just ruined the film for me. We can actually compare this to real life today. Its like being catfished (but worse imo) you find out you've been catfished by a man. At that point you sink your head into your hands, have a cry or whatever and move on. You dont try to carry on like you weren't catfished. They make out caleb is a smart tech savvy guy, so when he finds out he was fooled by a programme, it should have been an amazing moment for him, even hopeful for the future but he helps kill the inventor of it, it is mind boggling ridiculous imo.

  • @salvatoremicheal2128
    @salvatoremicheal21285 жыл бұрын

    very cool analysis :)

  • @christiankiggins355
    @christiankiggins3554 жыл бұрын

    Amazing video, really and truly. You’ve gained a subscriber

  • @youthnation1

    @youthnation1

    4 жыл бұрын

    Welcome aboard!

  • @cranberrycanvas
    @cranberrycanvas4 жыл бұрын

    i think i will always consider this one of my favorite movies of all time. just right up my alley

  • @craigperkins5339
    @craigperkins53394 жыл бұрын

    Very well narrated

  • @ominous-omnipresent-they
    @ominous-omnipresent-they4 жыл бұрын

    3:00 That's what you call a good analysis. "Wearing a wife-beater t-shirt for a good part of the film." I can totally picture Yahweh wearing a stained up wife-beater. Yahweh don't play no shit!

  • @jsteel89

    @jsteel89

    4 жыл бұрын

    lmao

  • @AL-sd7uz

    @AL-sd7uz

    4 жыл бұрын

    god is based

  • @brucechamberlin2545

    @brucechamberlin2545

    3 жыл бұрын

    That was actually the one thing in this review I really liked. It feels like the rest was pretty straightforward, but that one detail takes a mind to think outside the box.

  • @BillZebubproductions
    @BillZebubproductions4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this. I saw the movie for the surface meaning and was about to re-watch.

  • @ZahraRasekh-kf2nx
    @ZahraRasekh-kf2nx Жыл бұрын

    tis was the best critique I have seen/read about ex machina..I always thought the same but thank you for putting that in perspective and theory...my second best movies of all time after matrix 1...