CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:27 - What is a Deus Ex Machina (Definition) 00:59 - Deus Ex Machina Examples in Film 01:23 - History of the Deus Ex Machina 02:42 - Robert McKee on Deus Ex Machina 04:30 - Changing the Rules 05:30 - Unknown Information 06:40 - Cavalry to the Rescue 07:51 - Pure Coincidence 09:16 - Tip 1: Be self-aware 10:10 - Tip 2: Know your genre 11:06 - Tip 3: Keep the protagonist involved 11:37 - Takeaways

@salemalifilms8508

2 жыл бұрын

Can you explain to me what an act is i watched a lot of videos an I still don’t understand

@openlink9958

2 жыл бұрын

@@salemalifilms8508 its basically an scene of the movie that has a motive into the movie (safe X, internal conflict, external conflict, etc)

@chrisparkes2179

Жыл бұрын

@@salemalifilms8508 Acts are generally the blocks of plot dealing with separate stages of the story. Having three acts is generally seen as the optimum for good story telling. These can each be one scene (something that takes place in one location in one timeframe) or multiple scenes long (like interviewing witnesses, getting lab results, following up clues in a detective story). I don't know the correct terms but it's more or less; Set up Exploration Resolution. In the case of a thriller, cop story, most war stories, sci fi, supernatural that's more or less: 1 "What's going on?" 2 "Why is it going on?" [ "what are we going to do about it?" This can be either part of act 2 or act 3. ] 3 Putting the plan into action, resolving any last minute problems, the final chase or confrontation, etc. There's a lot more to it than that, but in the context of the movies referenced here, that's the general idea.

@salemalifilms8508

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisparkes2179 thank you 👍

@chrisparkes2179

Жыл бұрын

@@salemalifilms8508 You're welcome.

The t-rex rescue in Jurassic Park was put in because everybody loved the t-rex. It worked because everybody loved the t-rex. It would have been disappointing had they not brought back the t-rex.

@fastonfeat

2 жыл бұрын

I see u like t-rex 😋. Evidence suggests t-rex was vegetarian (fossilized dung had no bones, and teeth roots too shallow for combat)

@chrisparkes2179

Жыл бұрын

I've just had a vision of this as a sitcom when a favourite character turns up unexpectedly, and stands staring around for five minutes before they can say anything while the audience go nuts.

@LaneMaxfield

Жыл бұрын

I like this: it is true that the cooler and more beloved an element is, the more easily you can get away with it. I also think it works because we always knew the T-Rex was everywhere, and wanting to hunt, but would we have accepted it so readily if the T-Rex didn't absolutely rock? No.

@Whimsy3692

Жыл бұрын

I think that's the _only_ damn good Deus ex Machina that is famous, and that _works._ It seems like every other occurrence of this happening in Hollywood feels cheap. But because Jurassic Park was about Nature against Nature, Nature in the end saves them. From Nature. Nature is unpredictable... for good or bad. We can't predict or control what it does. So why take that chance in the first place? It's a bullseye when dealing with theme. Even if it was put in because people just liked big dinosaurs, it was a genius move in the storytelling aspect.

@eseguerito2629

Жыл бұрын

@@fastonfeat you made that up.

I’m not a film expert or anything like that, but I think that the fact that humanity only won in War of the Worlds only makes the whole film more terrifying. Humanity stood no reasonable chance and only won because of chance. I think that is a uniquely horrifying theme.

@HappyGingerWolf

2 жыл бұрын

Having humanity defeat the aliens fairly would make the story worse imo

@slinelol

2 жыл бұрын

H.G. Wells specificly wrote it that way. Humanity faced with something far far more powerful and they stood nothing in the face of eradication. It's basically cosmic horror before Lovecraft "invented" it. At the same time it was a critic against the british colonial empire, projecting the destruction so many native people went through directly into the british heartland. The bacteria were used to put humanity in it's place and to teach colonial brittain thankfullness and appreciation for life. the war of the worlds movie is bad enough on it's own but to frame this crucial point of the whole meaning of the original as a bad deus ex machina is just so far out of reach that I had to question every statement for the rest of the video

@HappyGingerWolf

2 жыл бұрын

@@slinelol i think it is still deus ex, I meets all the criteria, but it's definitely not bad and fits the themes

@slinelol

2 жыл бұрын

@@HappyGingerWolf I never said it wasn't. I just criticed framing it bad as missing the point of Wells original

@yetanotherbassdude

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! The central theme of the story is that humanity is nowhere near as powerful or as in control of its own destiny as it thinks it is. The only acceptable endings for this story would have been for humanity to have been wiped out entirely or for the aliens to be defeated by something outside of humanity's control like the bacteria and diseases that the plot actually uses.

In “Jurassic Park” it’s Deus Rex Machina.

@jaydeecee

Жыл бұрын

And so are biblical movies

@emptyallen3334

Жыл бұрын

God king machine?

@mellamofrost

Жыл бұрын

This is Such an stupid ass joke, but what a good stupid ass joke hsuahajah

@TesterAnimal1

Жыл бұрын

Rex ex machina?

@patpierce4854

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

I always found Dorothy accidentally killing the witch to be a satisfying unexpected twist. She was trying to save her friend from the fire. Also, Dorothy accidentally killed a witch at the beginning of the story. The two actions mirror each other.

@chrisparkes2179

Жыл бұрын

One of the worst unpunished serial killers in movie history.

@brachiator1

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisparkes2179 Well, there was that movie, Dorothy Gale, Witchfinder General. Toto had some vicious fangs and would scent out warlocks.

@rashadmadison1961

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think it's all subjective. Rules are meant to be broken.

@GregMoress

Жыл бұрын

@@rashadmadison1961 "No Wade! That is the exact opposite of their purpose!"

@ppak10

Жыл бұрын

Also this ending is further elaborated in Wicked

In Django unchained, literally the director of the movie appears to set Django free, while exploding in in the process. If it’s not a Deus Ex machina, it sure is “Quentin Ex Machina”.

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

That's meta 🤯. But Tarantino also set up the plot for it to make sense (Django convinced the slave owners)

@DonVigaDeFierro

2 жыл бұрын

Good thing it was the literal director. I wonder who was the figurative director 🤔

@tanveerhasan2382

Жыл бұрын

@@DonVigaDeFierro me

@PancakeDiaries

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if that counts... Those bounty papers saved the day s few times in the film. Django used them as the German did, and it worked again. Not really Ex Machina

Gotta love studio binder actively reading there own comment section and replying positively . Traits of a good KZread channel right there

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Love talking with our viewers!

"The only truly excellent Ex-Machina, is the one where Oscar, tears up the dance floor." Genius!

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Too good of a scene to not plug

@denissoares5348

2 жыл бұрын

@@StudioBinder of course ❤️

@RyoHazuki224

2 жыл бұрын

Such a great movie too!

@finntheunreliable

2 жыл бұрын

@@RyoHazuki224 what movie??

@NIGHTvdj

2 жыл бұрын

@@finntheunreliable Ex Machina (2014) - the pun is strong in this one

Narrator: "Modern deus ex machina refers to cheap, lazy, overly convenient writing..." Video: Prequel Clip *thousands of prequel fans typing in anger*

@kalakritistudios

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, honestly, we get it.😂

@men_del12

2 жыл бұрын

Thousands? Not Billions?

@hunterkiller1440

2 жыл бұрын

@@kalakritistudios As a wise man once said in an exaggerated Scottish accent, "No! No!"

@hunterkiller1440

2 жыл бұрын

@@men_del12 True, China loved the Prequels.

@letstalkaboutmovies1456

2 жыл бұрын

@@men_del12 200 000 and a million more are on their way

calling the "Calvary" showing up in end game a deus ex machina is pretty unfair. It's literally a natural consequence of the entire first 2 thirds of the movie. I think a deus ex machina needs to be something done without any setup.

@SmillyDonut

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@andrewtime2994

Жыл бұрын

Cavalry

@intergalactic92

Жыл бұрын

They have tarred with a very wide brush on this one. Lots of stuff mentioned here I do not think qualify.

@kexard

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I was thinking. What is the significance of “the friends we made along the way” or whatever, if it doesn’t culminate toward the end? Filler; That’s the significance.

@redcube9629

Жыл бұрын

Some could argue that "why weren't they present earlier", or "why wasn't the formation shown before the battle". I agree that some deus ex machina are worse and lazier than others, but I would still consider the cavalry rescue of the endgame a deus ex machina.

"Also, we ll be spoiling the following movies" *lists out 22 movies* Me: THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

THAT'S HEAVY DOC

@DARWINZOO

2 жыл бұрын

Saw them all

@barcafans4058

2 жыл бұрын

@@DARWINZOO Congratulations, you’re a prophet.

@DARWINZOO

2 жыл бұрын

@@barcafans4058 nope. I'm 60 and my son has a media degree (and a great job lol)

@Jaepeg

2 жыл бұрын

@@DARWINZOO Nice to hear that you supported your son's passion for media :)

The LotR example is really frustrating example as the entire option of the eagles is discussed earlier on in the book, but the movie decided to cut it

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, Tolkien knew to avoid the Deus Ex Machina!

@pvs092

2 жыл бұрын

@@StudioBinder then why you put it?

@THESERIOUSKNOB

2 жыл бұрын

@@pvs092 ... because its talking about the movies.

@DMichaelAtLarge

2 жыл бұрын

@@StudioBinder The whole resolution of LOTR was a deus ex machina. The ring in the end was destroyed because Gollum took an accidental misstep while celebrating his repossession of the ring. I always thought Tolkien should have had Samwise charge Gollum with a battlecry and push him over the edge.

@KyleRacki

2 жыл бұрын

@@DMichaelAtLarge but even that deus ex machina is set up from the beginning. Tolkien hints in Fellowship that Gollum has a part to play and that the pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many. The whole point at the end is that if Gollum died earlier the ring wouldn’t have been destroyed.

'Avengers: Endgame' had a good "Cavalry to the Rescue" and a bad one. The Portal scene had set-up; the cavalry had just return from their state of being dust or nothing, so we know where they came from. Captain Marvel, however, came out of nowhere. Not only that it was never specified, she was never even in the majority of the plot. It becomes worse that she only flattens the tension of the rest of the battle.

@aegerman6317

2 жыл бұрын

If she had showed up and greatly damaged the ship where they still had to continue to fight it and deal with it I think it would’ve been fine and a cool way to introduce her to the battle. But yeah completely solving that problem sucked a lot of power out of the “rain fire” moment, seeing as Thanos was willing to sacrifice a lot for it

@MrJHM007

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I thought that it was the helicarrier until I saw her.

@marlonmagdadaro4165

2 жыл бұрын

Captain Marvel's entrance is not a bad deux ex machina. It is on brand with her character as she is always late. She was late in Infinity War. She was late in saving Tony Stark and Nebula. She was late in the final battle.

@peronafanman

2 жыл бұрын

@@marlonmagdadaro4165 Can't tell if this an insult to Carol or a praise to Carol but either way I agree.

@idreamofgenie2599

2 жыл бұрын

We knew Captain Marvel was out there. We knew she was a "rogue" character who, while she was allied with the Avengers and supported their goals, did her own thing on her own terms. We knew she'd have to show up again in the movie sooner or later. When I watched the climactic battle scene for the first time, I had a hunch she'd show up to join the battle, and I was right. Her sudden arrival was set up well, was consistent with what we knew about the character, and worked perfectly for me. Plus, while she destroyed Thanos' mothership and added some serious firepower to the battle against Thanos, she wasn't the one who ultimately defeated him. So in that sense I don't think her arrival was a "deus ex machina."

The Deux ex Machina has to be a rescuer from outside of the story, not just a lucky break or coincidence or unexpected action of a character. The example I would use is "The Abyss", which was promoted as being entirely scientifically accurate, with the scientists going ever deeper in the ocean, avoiding drowning with bravery and acumen. Then, at the very end, they get rescued by space aliens! WTF!

@simonhadley8829

Жыл бұрын

Except, we know the aliens exist early on in the movie. When Bud is taken into the city after the crew thinks he died, the audience finally sees that there is a full civilization at work and not just a few random aliens sneaking around. If that had been left out of the movie then it would definitely qualify as a DEM.

@razenburn

Жыл бұрын

This is why he menti9ned the more metaphoric usage of the term in the modern day. It's not always a God, not always a rescue and not done with a crane anymore.

@m.hoffman2889

Жыл бұрын

nah dont agree with Abyss. The alien was the thing the movie was building up to. The REAL deus ex machina was the aliens changing their mind and not destroy humanity

@andrewtime2994

Жыл бұрын

@@simonhadley8829 You must have seen the director's cut. When it was in the theater there were only glimpses of an unknown creature, there was no city and no supposition that it was aliens, only that the creature was unknown.

@andrewtime2994

Жыл бұрын

@@m.hoffman2889 When it was in the theater the aliens were not given a reason for being there.

This is why One Punch Man is one of the greatest comic story plot ever. The reader know that when Saitama enter the scene, the antagonist will loose, no matter how strong they are. The Deus Ex Machina is already established at the beginning not at the end. What we did not know is when and how the story will end.

@aldrichemrys

2 жыл бұрын

But, that's one of the main focuses of the story and is something that will always be with the main character. Besides, it's a comedy, a parody, so Deus Ex Machina is not really an appropriate term to use.

@aiya5777

Жыл бұрын

OPM is trash he isnt even a legit one punch man, yes he kills several enemies with many punches butt he cant insta kill humans everytime he one punches humans they only lose unconsciousness they dont get blown up into smithereens like monters do even garou, a half monster a half human saitama cant insta kill him no matter how many times he punches him somehow saitama cant insta kill boros either, and he's a monster

@aiya5777

Жыл бұрын

I really despise a character that refuses to kill humans no matter what, hypocrites unrealistic naive impractical irl obviously I won't demand em to kill everyone but some humans deserve to be killed, why always humans who deserve the MC's mercy anyway? some monsters can be good monsters too saitama is trash

@errwhattheflip

Жыл бұрын

@@aiya5777 Yeah...because Saitama doesn't like killing humans. Seems like a normal response

@errwhattheflip

Жыл бұрын

@@aiya5777 How? That logic makes no sense. Everyone deserves life, and no human should have the right to decide who lives and who dies. Yes, people not killing others is perfectly realistic lmao. It's literally illegal to kill another human being. It isn't hypocritical either, not sure where you got that from. Yes, there are cases where one must defend themself, but killing someone is a choice you make, it's almost never a necessity

Neo possessing the power outside the matrix could be from the fact that "the real world" was just another layer of the matrix similar to the Inception as many people have suggested.

@spectrobit5554

2 жыл бұрын

It's not, Neo controlled those Sentinels "with his mind" because he had been "plugged" into the Source (presumably after his encounter with The Architect), as stated by The Oracle; "The Source. That's what you felt when you touched those Sentinels. But you weren't ready for it." The real world being another layer of The Matrix is a theory as old as the first movie, it really is the simplest, cheapest explanation that would excuse anything and allow for anything to happen, hence why it is impossible to ever be proven wrong and will continue to be spread until the end of times. Zion, the concept, is an intentional creation of the machines to allow for The Matrix to prosper, just like The One and the entire concept of allowing humans to "leave The Matrix"; the Red Pills are accounted for, they exist because the delusion of hope is what keeps the 3rd iteration of The Matrix from collapsing, like the previous two.

@DonVigaDeFierro

2 жыл бұрын

@@spectrobit5554 The reality of Matrix is a fractal. One fraction is a whole. Matrix is a whole, despite being a part of the real world. And the real world is just a part of an infinite, repeating pattern. "The powers of the chosen one extend beyond the world of Matrix" There's a certain level at theoretical computation where things get stupid weird, and we dive deep into the realm of philosophy. But if you "get" Matrix, you can get those ideas too: Given enough computing power, you can simulate an universe. Simple concept, innit? More or less the base of that. The original Matrix script mentioned that humans were used by the machines as _parts_ of a massive organic supercomputer... But producers thought that people were too dumb to even _grasp_ that concept and that's how we got the whole "human battery" thing... So, on to the context: Gottfried Leibniz (inventor of the binary system BTW) adopted the idea of "Monads", and there's this book that the Wachowskis read before even filming a single scene called "Sex, Ecology, Spirituality, the spirit of evolution" by Ken Wilber, in which he talks about "Holons" Basically, Monads and Holons are "wholes" which are also "parts": Atoms are wholes, but parts of molecules, which are parts of cells, etc. And the universe is made of these things that despite being "wholes", are mere sums of "parts". So, in a way, Neo is not only part of Matrix. The Matrix is _also_ a part of Neo... Because again, the world of Matrix is a fractal reality, like Monads, like Holons and like Indra's pearls... Have you noticed how many references to _mirrors_ are in the entire trilogy? Again, not a coincidence... ... I could write a pair of books about everything I've seen inside that fucking trilogy, (It ain't a coincidence that the Architect looks like Sigmund Freud and opposes the Oracle which represents _choices,_ and there's lots, _lots_ of references about Hinduism, designer drugs, hermeticism, etc.) but this is no place to do it... Anyways, I'll be happy to explain whatever could still remain unclear. God, I *hate* the Matrix.

@spectrobit5554

2 жыл бұрын

​@@DonVigaDeFierro What's not clear is this: Are you agreeing with me? I've heard the fractal theory before, with the same references to Monads and Holons even. And yes it is very much a shame how they altered the machine usage of humans from computing power to battery (Even if I have yet to see a verifiable source for that, only assumptions from analysis of the directors' influences, such as Hyperion, he said, she said and fan theories, all things I took at face value and believed over all these years). I think it would have been better for the overall plot and internal logic of the movies and reduced the "that's dumb" comments, as well as minimizing confusion towards Neo's powers outside The Matrix. Still, I digress, here's where my doubt comes from: Patrick M. suggested the old "Matrix within a Matrix" theory, which I rejected, explaining how Neo controlled The Sentinels (Neo being plugged to The Source). You seem to agree with the "Matrix within the Matrix" theory, but not in the same way Patrick does...? Almost like it is not intentional by the machines...? Perhaps I've just misunderstood. If you're suggesting that the machines used humans to create a fractal-like Matrix, which is where the movies take place, what in said movies (or even in The Animatrix) allude to that? More importantly, if this is hidden beneath film and literary analysis, most of which cannot be found in the canonical works, resorting to previous scripts and meta analysis and interpretations of the directors' influences, how is that any better? I've said in my original comment that "it is impossible to ever be proven wrong" in regards to the "MwM", and your comment seems to be proof of that. If such philosophical concepts are never explored in the narrative, what is the point? If Zion were another computer program, almost every aspect of what the Wachowskis are trying to tell us in this story would be completely irrelevant. Just because the directors studied a subject does not mean they incorporated all aspects of it, not even that they understood it. Also, if none of this mattered and you're actually suggesting some "we live in a simulation" Elon Musk type of thing, inevitably connecting it to The Matrix only by association, like a religious fanatic spreads his "truth" to others and finds a way to fit it into every conversation... That would be ultimate cringe, but I don't think that's the case, just making sure.

@DonVigaDeFierro

2 жыл бұрын

@@spectrobit5554 Ok, see. The Matrix as a franchise is an amalgamation of concepts coming from hinduism, hermeticism, etc. Combined with copious amounts of designer drugs (As the Wachowskis admitted in an interview published on November 6, 1999 although whether they were being serious or it was just an ironic response it's still up to debate.) What makes the Matrix different is that it was the very first time in which somebody combined so many concepts in a _whole_ with meaning, and not just some disjointed mess of vague connections and theories. They took six years to perfect the script, and they even consulted many people before filming a single scene. There is really no "true" interpretation about what the whole thing means (As Larry admitted in a talk with Ken Wilber himself:) *Ken:* "You yourself have not talked about your interpretation of The Matrix trilogy or what you were attempting to say, because you didn’t want it to become dogma, in other words you wanted people to be free to interpret the movies the way they wanted to, and they have the freedom to do that, and as soon as the movie-maker gets up and says “This is the meaning of The Matrix, and this is the source”, this really limits people, I think it’s a very wise thing to do…" *Larry:* "Yeah, I mean, you make a work of art, and you want it to be provocative, you want people to dialog about it, [Ken: Right.] you don’t want them to rely on somebody to tell them what it is, or… it’s like, the whole nature of the movie is exactly that… inspect it and pursue it yourself…" But there are concepts that are very clearly presented, and can be taken at face value. The "Fractal reality" is one of those concepts. I'm not saying that the MwM theory has any credence, I'm saying that the _very nature_ of the Matrix universe (The FICTIONAL universe, I don't know where did you get the idea that I was talking about real life) allows very easily the existence of structures that function like the Matrix itself, even outside it. Tl;Dr: There is no Matrix within Matrix. But the universe of Matrix itself functions in a way very similar to the Matrix.

@spectrobit5554

2 жыл бұрын

@@DonVigaDeFierro Sorry for the late reply, KZread doesn't notify me for some reason. I certainly don't agree with the Wachowskis, I am a firm believer in _The Death of the Author_ in any of it's forms. The Wachowskis stating their own interpretations or what they sought to create is irrelevant. What is canon is only what is shown, it's interpretations will always be open and equally valid. Because of this I don't reject the MwM theory or any other theory, they are all valid regardless of the director's opinions. I just like to see them supported with some evidence in the work itself, hence why I explained to Patrick M. that Neo controlling the sentinels is not a basis for MwM and then proceeded to give examples as to why I don't think the movies even support such a theory. "There are concepts that are very clearly presented, and can be taken at face value. The Fractal Reality is one of those concepts." Can you give me an example of this concept being clearly presented or supported on one of the three films, the animatrix or the games? I do agree with you that the "nature of the Matrix Universe" allows for that very easily, it is an interpretation like many others, but to start your first comment with "the reality of the matrix is..." and then write "there is really no true interpretation" is kind of.... Weird, specially when you quote the directors unwillingness to interfere with interpretations and then go on to use their inspirations and words as basis for your own theory, it goes back to that "meta analysis" that I mentioned on my previous comment, which is fine too and I also quite enjoy, mostly in works with a more abstract and/or esoteric "lore" though. Regarding where I got the idea you were talking about real life, I didn't, you can ignore that. No offense but the pedantic manner in which you write created that possibility of interpretation for me, I am sorry. Also, do you by chance like c0da? Sounds like something you'd enjoy, it is pretty hard to get into though, but with how much you seem to have studied The Matrix and it's inspirations, I'd give it a shot.

Great video and I learned this in my film classes but have always found it funny how many critically acclaimed and fan-favorite films are guilty of this and no one seems to care. I really think it all depends on the payoff. If it’s something people cheer over and generally enjoy, they tend to overlook the laziness of the writing. Hell, I think almost every film used as an example in this video I enjoy.

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

For sure, no film is perfect and even with some flaws it can be very enjoyable. Payoff is very important as well

@RyoHazuki224

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Sometimes there really is nothing that the protagonist can do. Like in Jurassic Park, they had a jammed shotgun, so they had no more weapons. What was the better payoff, them somehow eluding the raptors and getting away to safety? Or, driving home the point that despite human's power of the mind, the lack of responsibility in creating these powerful wild animals from 65+ million years ago means that we really are powerless against the forces of nature, by showing that when you are in danger from one type of vicious animal, it may only take a bigger, even more vicious animal to save you! It really showed that the problem was really too large for the humans to solve, they just needed a means of escape.

@drfifteenmd7561

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, look at the many fans of Avatar: the Last Airbender, including me.

To be fair the Deus Ex Machina from Toy Story 3 was a good and nostalgic callback/pay off to Toy Story 1

@Spitfire-zx7rj

5 күн бұрын

It was comedy, I'm pretty sure Deus ex machina was at the bottom liat of the writer concern

Have to disagree about Endgame using this plot device to cheat. The whole movie was about their goal to bring everyone back from nothingness, the Avengers did the work and in the final battle we saw that they succeeded- which satisfied the entire audience. Even with the “cavalry to the rescue” they still had a hard fight, and the only way to win was for Tony Stark to sacrifice himself. How was any of that “cheating”?

@OptimysticPessimyst

Жыл бұрын

Came here to say this. Endgame‘s issues aren’t with the final battle, it’s how it gets there. This channel doesn’t understand that Cavalry is not Deus Ex Machina. They made that up to pad their run time but then they forgot a fundamental example of Deus Ex Machina: when an unimportant/barely known character reveals crucial information to advance or resolve the plot. Harry’s butler, Bernard, revealing he knew all along that his father killer himself in Spider-Man 3 is a better example of Deus Ex Machina than anything shown in this video. And it’s a plot hole too. Double duty.

@marchii6414

Жыл бұрын

I am not satisfied with endgame. You might need to clarify your statement. Hehe

@funkyjbass7762

Жыл бұрын

@@OptimysticPessimyst I think you missed his point on Calvary being DEM. It is not that the calvary show up, it is bad use when the calvary resolve the conflict for the character without the character's action or agency. Endgame still needed the protagonists to act, it wasn't just solved now because the calvary showed up, there was still choice, action, and conflict - just on a large scale. So Endgame is a good example of the cavalry not being poor writing (except maybe Cpt. Marvel's entrance - that was a bit annoying, but she still didn't fix the whole problem, just one immediate danger).

@pieck5460

Жыл бұрын

@@marchii6414 no need for clarification pretty sure the majority of audiences were satisfied that's just a fact

1:12 Well, these are a lot of spoilers Me: Will watch it anyway, it’s StudioBinder

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

🤣❤

The ending of Monty Python and the Holy Grail is such a cop out 😅

@npcimknot958

2 жыл бұрын

LOOOL litearlly LOL

@christophersmith3005

Жыл бұрын

Several of the Mel Brooks comedies did the same thing. The characters were in one world (the wild west or ancient Rome) and suddenly they were in a modern setting.

@poiuyt975

Жыл бұрын

Good one! :D

You did an entire video on deus ex machina -- and somehow managed to avoid mentioning Raiders of the Lost Ark. I am both stunned _and_ impressed.

@chrisparkes2179

Жыл бұрын

Does Raiders count as Deus Ex Machina though. The power of God was mentioned a few times previously in the Bible.

@JoseCuervo11

Жыл бұрын

The whole point of the movie is that the ark contains the power of God

Really love this content! You guys have been my film school!

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Class in session!

Even when I was a kid reading chamber of secrets I knew how dumb it was Fawkes bringing Harry the sorting hat to just so happen to pull out the sword of gryffindor.

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Haha it was still a good read

@CLove511

2 жыл бұрын

You could rewrite every book title in the entire series to be "Harry Potter and the Deus Ex Machina". Or "JK Rowling can't stop painting herself into corners", take your pick.

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

@@CLove511 , What's wrong with "JK Rowling not keeping to the already established lore"?

@Kalpanakarangoda2697

Жыл бұрын

It may sound like Deus ex machina,but foex help Harry because he stayed loyal to the dumbeldore even in the most deficult moment.of cause it was Deus ex machina but it was put in a very nice and convenient way

Almost at 1M subs! That’s amazing you guys. I’ve been a fan from jump. Love your channel.

Another exquisite work, guys. Thank you so much!

Literally could not have ended the video any better. Excellent job.

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Got to end on a proper note 😂

Your content is fantastic! I would love to see some videos on film theory and techniques related to the more contemporary horror/suspense genre!!! Like Jordan Peele, Ari Aster, Robert Eggers, Jennifer Kent, John Krasinski in A Quiet Place, Luca Guadagnino in the Suspiria remake. Something like that.

The thing about Dorothy accidently discovering water melts the witch is that Dorothy is sort of an incidental hero. She never meant to go to Oz, she never meant to land on the witch with the house, it's the dog that discovers the wizard is just a guy. Female protagonists were often sort of passive in this way. Anyway, it's consistent with the rest of the plot and the Dorothy character being a young female, naively stumbling through weird twists.

@DeepFriedLiver

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Her story isn’t really about the witch. It’s about her Atonement With The Father. The story is only ready to end when she realizes how sincerely she lives and misses her family. Everything else is just a trial to stress her. The water needs as much explanation as flying monkeys. Cause that’s not what the story is about. Rather it’s just something in the story.

You literally cut off the line in Matrix Revolutions that showed Neo rejecting the Deus ex Machina. The full line he says is "The program ‘Smith’ has grown beyond your control. Soon he will spread through this city as he spread through the Matrix.[the important bit:] You cannot stop him, but I can." You see? Neo is telling the Deus ex Machina that it will not be the last minute savior of this story. The reason so many people walked out of the theater unhappily is they thought the Matrix series was supposed to be a "sci-fi dystopian kung fu" series when it was actually a messianic epic. And Neo was the savior in the story. Literally. In the end, all the machines do for him is open the door. He is the one who saves THEM.

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

It's a bit tricky bc they worked together. Neo fought Smith and basically lost, being taken over by him, but that was how Deus Ex Machina was able to destroy Smith. And Neo wasn't exactly saved by the machine bc it seemed like he died from this fight, but Zion was saved. In any case, the main point we're trying to make is that self-awareness by itself isn't enough to justify a deus ex machina.

@spacedoohicky

2 жыл бұрын

@@StudioBinder I thought Neo was the Deus Ex Machina of Deus Ex Machina.

@DonVigaDeFierro

2 жыл бұрын

@@spacedoohicky He was given that role like all chosen before him, but he outgrew that role. He was there not only to save both humanity and the machines, but also to end the perpetual state of war between both.

@cipherxen2

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. How it can be a Deus ex machina, if neo specifically gone to machine city to meet him.

@sirnikkel6746

2 жыл бұрын

YOOOOOOOO! YOU MADE THE CHANNEL OWNER SPEAK IN YOUR COMMENT! AND WITHOUT HEART! Congrats man! Few people can do it. I respect ya.

Your videos keep getting better and better.👏👍 Keep it up😎✊

I learn so much from this channel. Amazing content.

I was aware of this cheap technique but I was not aware it had a name. This is why I enjoy this channel. I'm learning so much.

I believe another channel uses the line; 'Super easy! Barely an inconvenience!' when faced with what seems an impossible solution to a problem. :)

@georgeterz4029

2 жыл бұрын

Deus ex machinas are tight

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Super easy 🤣 That's one way to put it

@_monolithic_

2 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna need you to go ahead and get all the way off of my back about this deus ex machina thing.

@curiousworld7912

2 жыл бұрын

@@_monolithic_ I was waiting for that. :)

@AdamFunk

2 жыл бұрын

@@StudioBinder If you're actually unaware, it's Ryan George's series on ScreenRant called Pitch Meetings, and they're generally pretty genius (even if the audience misses 80% of the jokes).

I thought the way the witch met her end was in line with that's stories tonal atmosphere. The story essentially begins with a DEM and ends with one. Dorothy's primary goal is to get home not destroy the witch. Same goes for the others around her. the primary goals of the tin man , lion , and scarecrow aren't achieved through their interactions with the witch but with the Oz universe overall. Even the way dorothy kills the witch is perfectly in line with the nature of her character and even more so with the odd nature of the oz world.

1:04 I really like the syncing between the music and titles reveal

What a perfect ending ♥️

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

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Precious content! Thank you🙏

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Hope it helps!

This is great. Thank you for sharing!

Channels like this, I always forget to 'smash that like button' when I love the content. Glad I remembered this time

Some of these examples don't feel like deus ex machina by the definition given in this video, like avengers and toy story 3. Those didn't come out of nowhere. In toy story it is a reference to a previous moment in the movie and in avengers it is what the whole movie had been building to.

"Here comes the cavalry" describe the whole foundation of Hollywood style storytelling :)

The second to last song used is "You Drive - Royal Blue", if anyone was wondering, such a beautiful song.

this was awesome, ive always know 'what' a deus ex machina was, but this really made me understand it so much more, and awesome examples, many of which i dont think i realized! Great vid, but now i kinda wanna watch some of these movies lol

I always wonder why they push the characters to unwinnable scenarios, just end them at that point.

@Whimsy3692

Жыл бұрын

Always put your characters through hell. Show your audience what they're made of. It's something they can take away from. It bares a character, and who they truly are for all to see. Besides, making people suffer is fun.

@RM_VFX

Жыл бұрын

@n1lknarf My dude, it's basically narrative orgasm. It's not that hard to understand. There's a reason it's called a "climax".

@bradbrad6521

Жыл бұрын

Lots of times in our era, the ending was "sad" and some studio bigwig decides on a non sequitur happy ending hence the very bad ending that not only go's against the whole film but also has to be shot after the fact on a budget.

@sentival

Жыл бұрын

emotional roller coaster as they said...

Every Star Wars movie suffers from this with the force. Suddenly a character has this magical force ability we didn't know they had before to get them out of every specific sticky situation.

@CLove511

2 жыл бұрын

*Rey Fixed that for you

@eroshan

2 жыл бұрын

The force is an established factor in the universe of starwars, its not something that suddenly introduced to save your heros. You seemed to have missed what a Deus Ex Machina is.

@CLove511

2 жыл бұрын

@@eroshan I'm not familiar enough with canon outside the 9 feature films to argue on this subject, so I'll take your word for it that Leia's magic force floating back into the ship, Rey's healing powers, or even the whole plot point of Rey and Kylo being able to transfer objects to each other through it (which does lead to a DEM moment at the end) are all previously established facets of the Force. What I would argue makes the Leia and Rey ones DEM is that they were never mentioned or established in the films prior to being used to get out of a specific jam with no other way out. I'd say that even if "Harry Potter has no solution for the current situation, then does some obscure magic that saves the day" isn't DEM because magic exists in the world, it is still lazy writing nonetheless.

@eroshan

2 жыл бұрын

@@CLove511 I agree that the references you make are lazy writing. But is it really DEM. You have made me question that too now.

@CLove511

2 жыл бұрын

@@eroshan Thinking about this more, you've got a good point that DEM is lazy writing, but not all lazy writing is DEM. Since DEM started in theater, where a god would literally appear to solve the issue FOR the people, it refers to some external thing or character that wasn't part of the story all along, then comes in at the last second and unexplainedly solves all the problems. So these examples aren't DEM then, good discussion :)

Love the final! Is Arwen's rescue of Aragorn also involved?

Stock markets open and new studio binder video? Today is an awesome day.

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Brightening up your Mondays

Great content!

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Enjoy!

I think in War of the Worlds the deus ex machina is well integrated with the themes of the work. It further highlights the random, uncontrollable nature of the world that the story is communicating. IMO if the humans had banded together to defeat the aliens it would go against the grain of those themes, and not necessarily made it a "better" movie by default.

@LegendShark

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's meaningless to have a deus ex machina ending or lazy depending on how you use it but in general actually lazy and convenient writing irks me. I hate that scene where you're with a character and they are about to be killed by an adversary and some other character comes in at the last second and rescues them. Many films use this trope multiple times and it is so hacky.

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

If it's aligned with the film's themes, then the deus ex machina can be pulled off. But it's still hard to retain the sense of meaning in the character's journey when you use it, especially when it comes to drama.

@ilyamusique

2 жыл бұрын

@@StudioBinder I think the bacterias intervention out of the blue is tootally meaningful in War of the Worlds ! From my perspective, the characters' journey as a human is to encounter humility and to reduce anthropocentrism : all is not in your fucking hands little humans ! Moreover, (how we could witness it), viruses, bacterias and microorganisms always "pop" into our visible world. As we should be more aware of all this, I think the "God ex machina" serves the point of the movie, as there are things greater than us, nearby us, we chose to ignore.

@TheJacklikesvideos

2 жыл бұрын

Lord of the Flies I feel is a great use of DeM to capstone the theme of the story.

@drfifteenmd7561

2 жыл бұрын

@@LegendShark I agree, but usually the film wasn't too good imo anyway

You're almost at one million subscribers and you deserve it! I'm subscribing too now I guess I'm... Bound to this studio now 😏

GREAT video! 🧡

I would say Gandalf saving Frodo and Sam at the very end is not necessarily a deus ex machina. The eagles did come to the last fight of men. And after everybody saw Barad-Dur fall, Gandalf immediately mounted an Eagle to search for the hobbits.

The portal scene in Endgame had setup revolving around the plot of the entire movie. When Hulk snaps we know someone is bound to show up. The hopeless battle against Thanos just makes us forget this. Not to mention it has explanation when we see Dr. Strange, it's not purely convenience.

@CLove511

2 жыл бұрын

The real DEM was iron man just being like, "I was gonna do a sudoku, but I ended up solving time travel, and also took out the garbage and built a rocket canoe out of an old tractor. Typical Thursday."

Studiobinder Essays are so brilliant I Wish I could hang them into a frame in the Wall!

Really love this content

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

I absolutely love this channel. I always learn a pinch more than I think I would. (There's a lot I still don't know, honestly! Hah! Always learning.) Kudos to this channel for executing high caliber videos, while delivering seamless editing and tossing in unparalleled audio quality to boot! I like this channel a lot more than those other film criticism channels. You know which ones I mean...there's some guy who's never sold a script or wrote a book, explaining their biases and disdain for another film artist's work. The kind of person who drags on and on for 40 mins just repeating the same junk to drill their drivel into your minds. All in essay format, directly from a guy in his basement! Yeah...show me how to be like you lmao. 😆😂🤣 (I'm looking at you "The Closer Look". That guy hates women because he has never had a date...he doesn't see that the issue is inside him and not because of women in general. A bit of an incel, who fancies himself a cut above the cloth. He makes fair points, but it's mostly opinionated bs.)

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Our viewers deserve only the best!

@JosephQuillen

2 жыл бұрын

Damn you going hard! But I'll say closer look is a bit hit or miss! There's only a few channels with consistentanly high quality stuff. Oh how I miss every frame a painting.

How in the world does endgame have any deux-ex machina. The previous movie setup that something was not quite as it seemed, and somehow what happened could be undone. Regarding the cavalry, the moment they turned on the glove, we new the cavarly was alive (and able to teleport). The climax of the action and the setup didn't make us realize it so it came as a suprise, but it would be more strange if it wasn't coming.

Finally thank you! Took me forever to get it.

i was almost about to say cavalry to the rescue has always been the best part in movies for me, it's at this critical moment where the hero or good guys can't seem to win then help arrives. Now i can see it's a moment that you need to be careful with and have good step up in the beginning. Almost like you need to have your audience forget that hulk snapped his finger and brought everyone back, but they saved that moment (which now feels a little convenient but at least the pay off was worth it and didn't ruin the film) another example might be LOTRs two towers when Gandalf arrives, that was something you might forget earlier what Gandalf said "look to my coming...etc) but they do give you a quick reminder before they ride out so it kind of ruins the cavalry to the rescue moment. lol well I'm glad you talked about it because it's one of my favorite moments in movies but I see now you need to be careful because it can look like an easy Deus Ex Machina moment.

Wizard of Oz and War of the Worlds are examples that show Deus Ex Machina is not inherently bad. To explain: In Wizard of Oz, the witch being _murdered_ by Dororthy is purely an accident. She didn't really mean to do it. This is actually thematically appropriate for the story as there's a whole lot Dorothy doesn't know about Oz and this is just one more example, one more instance of mystery. As a story meant to be fanciful and full of wonder and oddity, this is not out of place, and given it's tone as something meant for children it also fits in that respect. But relying on this sort of outcome too often is where the problem would set in, but as a one-time surprise I think it works just fine. Consider, though, that Dorothy had known water would melt the witch and the scene instead unfolds with Dorothy purposefully trying to kill the witch with water? It wouldn't seem right, would it? In War of the Worlds I think the way the aliens are defeated is actually important. It shows that humanity had no say in the matter, it was out of our hands, which is still quite scary and demoralizing. While it's good that the aliens are gone (for now?) there were still many who died and if we're now considering a matter of microbes then we are left to wonder what humanity may now have to fear in regard to the corpses of the aliens littering the cities. And again, if you were to show that the protagonist learned of a way to defeat the aliens and purposefully tries to spread germs to them... or even if he had some special weapon to use, that too would feel _wrong_ for the story. The empty void of an ending -- we couldn't defeat them, but without us knowing germs saved us, creates a very specific tone. Now then, if the protagonist accidentally hit a self-destruct in an alien ship, or some previously unknown of second alien army showed up to save the day that'd ruin the entire story. Being powerless to save ourselves makes for a more powerful ending.

The bactery is a clever solution, honestly. It is something that in a real world scenario would make sense and that would show how far alien tech was from human And the Endgame final is perfect, it abuses its own plot and the cavalry rescue makes sense

@bradbrad6521

Жыл бұрын

Is this suppose to be satire? and if so who are the 3 people thumping up? did they get the joke or do they thank a super smart race that invented teleportation, force shields, fusion and mechs somehow never discovered microbiology?

@TheCanalPedro

Жыл бұрын

If humanity can already realize that new diseases - like covid - can be highly fatal, dont you think that ultra advanced aliens wouldnt also?

@skodca7025

Жыл бұрын

@@bradbrad6521 well I only read a book, so I don´t know about the movie, but H.G. Wells books usually focus on development of society from futuristic point. Aliens represented humans and their power, or how much power we think we had, and bacteria represented small things that we overlooked, but have more power over us. Something like foodchain competition and nature always finds a way thing. Main character has intrest in biology, and is close to first alien that landed, which you can take as foreshadowing. From there it more describes how different people deal with invasion, inevitability of loss at some point. When aliens die from bacteria, its as unexpected as their arrival. So while it is deux ex machina it was always intended that way. It also has to noted that Wells wrote that book in 1898 so technological development weren´t where it is now, lot of his sci fi ideas are outdated and factually wrong by today standards.

@bradbrad6521

Жыл бұрын

@@skodca7025 and im saying its a stupid book, that made an even dumber movie.

@skodca7025

Жыл бұрын

@brad brad did you read it? If not try, I recommend it, and it's pretty short. I read his other works, so maybe I'm more familiar with his concepts of science evolution, but you can see the limits of knowledge of that time.

That ending line... Brilliant! *chef's kiss*

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

💯👌

Would you be able to make a video on all the films you recommend we watch before we watch all your videos cos I sometimes avoid videos that looks really interesting cos I have not seen it just yet thanks 😊 love the channel so far

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

We might! But even if we don't, we always mention any spoilers and you can usually stop the video before it goes into anything important about the plot 👍

@jarjarbinks9951

2 жыл бұрын

@@StudioBinder yes I always do! And I really appreciate the spoiler warnings looking forward to a video in the future 👍😁 the channel is great I have never been to a film school but this feels like it’s teaching me just as much as a film school would

@therealCrazyJake

Жыл бұрын

I love that this comment comes from none other than Jar Jar Binks himself!

In a normal film the protagonists would figure out that the aliens are weak to influenza and use it to triumph, but War of the Worlds isn't about triumph. War of the Worlds has always been a story about how small humanity is, nearly powerless against an alien threat, and ultimately less valuable in stopping them than a disease... and while the movie asaption kinda underplays that wide view for family drama it's still very much a story about a family surviving something much bigger than themselves. It's still ultimately about how small an individual family is, even if it doesn't really sell how small humanity as a whole is that effectively, the protagonists solving the crisis would just be another story about how we're the best, and thus no longer be War of the Worlds.

@foxman2137

2 жыл бұрын

If I can point out. The book was set around the 40's (from what I can remember). In the book the ending is understandable. There was also an issue with a red plant that started to choke all the worlds waterways. I think for its time and setting, the book was great.

My absolute favorite Deus Ex Machina comes from the thirty-fourth episode of "Monty Python's Flying Circus". The protagonist Mr Pither finds himself in a Moscow prison with his back to all stone wall and six fierce Bolshevik soldiers with bajonets charging at him at close distance. Quite hopeless, but then there's a cut and a caption "scene missing", and next we see Mr Pither with his bicycle in a beautiful English landscape, simply telling a friend "Phew, what an amazing escape". This even beats the heart attack gag from Holy Grail.

@johnjim6793

Жыл бұрын

@@mfnickster9754 That‘s also pure gold. :-)

Though I don't agree with all your examples, the message is clear and its importance well established. Good one!

favorite video of the month

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

For the record, the Martians dying because of their inability to fight the common bacteria that we evolved alongside doesn't render the climax meaningless. The whole meaning of the story is to suggest that, while the humans were weak, insignificant, and meaningless to the Martians, they were being destroyed by a threat we generally see as weak, insignificant, and meaningless. The theme of the story is dealing with power dynamics and human significance in the face of a vast and incomprehensible cosmos. It asks questions about the existence of God and whether his existence is necessary to find meaning.

@fastonfeat

2 жыл бұрын

I do not remember war of the worlds asking the God question. Care to elaborate? Ecclesiastes states repeatedly that everything is meaningless, and there is 'nothing new under the sun', that life without God is meaningless.

@SamONeil-OneWheelOneil

2 жыл бұрын

@@fastonfeat I guess I may be conflating some parts of the original book with the movie. I believe the book has a clergyman character who seems to fall apart when the Martians attack and destroy his church. The 2005 movie may not have that same character, but the thematic thread is still present, even if it doesn't specifically ask about meaning as it relates to religious ideology. My overall point is that using a supposed "deus ex machina" doesn't mean the ending has no meaning. It simply displays a meaning that is less focused on humanity's agency, and more focused on the seemingly arbitrary nature of calamity and survival.

@litteralyjustsam5262

2 жыл бұрын

@@fastonfeat The original novel did. The movie left out a lot of the themes... The movie kinda sucks in comparison to the novel as it makes the ending not have as much impact as the novel, the loneliness of the ending is not as pronounced as the novel imo

"Asgard, your Savior is here!" That wasn't just a literal Deus ex Machina, appearing from the clouds, standing on a space-ship. It was the climax of a medley of Deus ex Machinas. Even Korg got one. If you're going to do it, revel in it. It's when you try to sneak one past that it feels like a cheat.

Amazing video.

The Claw is one of my favourite Deux ex Machina because it is a callback AND an established deity in their world.

Thanks for this. A quibble: The Matrix series alienated its audience so much that the audience showed its vexation with 3.5 billion tiny green protest posters. Also, I think the whole premise of the first movie was whether Neo was a deus ex machina. The premise in later films was whether his version of a deus ex machina was in fact the king of a not-yet-completely explored jungle. Cheers!

Endgame was not a Deus ex machina, it WAS a result of the plot.

So interesting, never thought about it.

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

It's an important device to keep in mind if you ever go into screenwriting!

Thank you for putting a list of spoiler alerts at the beginning! 😁

Donnie Darko would have been a great adition considering that it literally quotes Deus Ex Machina.

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

It is a good pick!

I think Avatar: The Last Airbender is a great example of Deus Ex Machine done right. Not only does the Lion Turtle and the concept of energy bending fit seamlessly into the world/story, but all the Lion Turtle did was provide a tool to help...to provide a third option. It still fell on Aang to succeed or fail. He still needed to rely on his journey to even gain the chance to use the tool at all.

I mean, the eagles in lotr didn't help defeat Sauron. They didn't throw Gollum into the fire when he had stolen the ring from Frodo or take it from Frodo when he refused to cast it away. They just saved their lives after the fact. I feel like that's an important detail that softens the deus ex machina in this case, no?

@9nikolai

Жыл бұрын

And also, they only showed up because Sauron was gone, and they showed up as soon as they possibly could

In Greek theatre, the stage crew portrayed the rescuing "deity" as hastening to the rescue of our beleaguered hero(es) suspended upon ropes upon pulleys, to simulate flight or levitation. This they called "deity out of machinery (the rope on pulley arrangement)".

The Avengers End one, is it really a Deus Ex when they practically spent the whole movie bringing people back on a time heist?

@mayathepsychiic

2 жыл бұрын

could be argued that it's a deus ex machina resolution to the franchise arc as a whole, rather than the film itself. that being said i haven't actually seen endgame or most of the other marvel films so i might be 100% wrong talking out my ass, i'm just going off what i've heard.

@prathmeshbhatnagar5527

2 жыл бұрын

No it isn't I think. Because the movie is Avengers means a group of people. So all the people were the protagonists who resolved the problem together

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

We say it is because it breaks the rules set up by the film; two scenes before Stark says it's impossible but after a few minutes of tinkering he figures it out 🤯

@LuisSierra42

2 жыл бұрын

They come together at the right time, it is too coincidental

@briansydnor4331

2 жыл бұрын

​@@StudioBinder IMHO some of the examples brought up in this video are the iconic poster children for the saying, "tools, not rules". More specifically, maybe after everything we've seen in "Infinity War" (as well as newly minted expert, Scott Lang's account), Stark denying time travel *verbally* wasn't enough to set up an in-universe law with the audience, let alone himself...🤔

Great vid per usual, but it totally worked in The Wizard of Oz, Dorothy was innocent just trying to save her friend from a horrific death, had she known water was certain death for the witch she'd be viewed much differently - it's her good nature that kills the witch not an inborn violence, Dorothy is just as shocked as the witch and the scene allows us to experience and taste what death is really like with her, it feels natural and not contrived Even more impact if we the audience had known water was death to the witch probably so

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

No disagreement that Dorothy was innocent, but the scene still breaks the rule of resolving the problem with information that was unknown to anybody. Did give us an iconic line though

@fernandomeneghetti

2 жыл бұрын

Not only did it break the rule of resolving the problem with information that was unknown to anybody, as stated by @StudioBinder, it also solved a problem to which the characters had no solution on their own. If the water wasn't deadly to the Witch, the characters would've been stuck. Nobody is arguing the points you expressed, but that doesn't remove the Deus Ex Machina from the scene.

@therealCrazyJake

Жыл бұрын

@@fernandomeneghetti I don’t think his point was that it wasn’t a Deus Ex Machina, just that it’s one that actually works in that particular story.

Strange Luck was a one season television show back in the 90s that made use of the coincidence version of deus ex machina by making it a regular, even normal part of the protagonist's daily life. Odd things always happen to or around Chance Harper so naturally he makes a living as a photo journalist. He could always count on winning a few bucks from scratch ticket games, just enough to pay for his meal at the local diner. He drives an old beater car because it is always getting trashed in the most unexpected and clever ways. The entire show was an exercise in DEM and I loved it.

Great line to end on!

As long as the last minute save is set up prior, I'm okay with this. For example, the "Calvary saves the day" in the climax to _Avengers Endgame_ was completely and convincingly set up in _Avengers Infinity War_ the year before. Their showing up at this time was a surprise but not without logical back up. Captain Marvel's last minute save was more of an eye-roll because she had been gone the entire movie, but still plausible. When I went to see _Toy Story 3_ I must have been momentarily distracted when the 3 aliens ran off towards the excavator being used in the dump (this is before they go inside the processing plant), and so when they ended up saving the day I felt a little bit cheated, but thought to myself, "Wow, Disney is actually going to kill off these characters? They will get hate mail for decades!" When I saw it again a few weeks later it all made sense though.

@keith6706

2 жыл бұрын

Captain Marvel had to be gone the entire movie for the exact same reason the Justice League (animated or otherwise) has to often somehow take Superman out of the picture for there to be drama. Her re-entry plotwise, had to be carefully timed. If she shows up to the battle too early, she should easily beat Thanos before there's everything at stake, but if she shows up too late so she only swoops in to fight Thanos when he has the Gauntlet, then that's a deus ex machina. Having her come in when she did and how she did gives her her Moment of Awesome to justify why she could take on Thanos alone when the others, including the Hulk, had been beaten by him and turns the fight back to a more personal one-on-one battle that ends with Tony beating Thanos through guts and guile.

@JustWasted3HoursHere

2 жыл бұрын

@@keith6706 Yep, I can agree with that. The Russo brothers have said that Scarlet Witch could have defeated Thanos by herself which is why they had to "rain fire" at that moment (and then bring Captain Marvel back right then). I'm sure the writers and directors pondered 101 ways to do that final battle without cheating the audience and I have to say they did a great job, all things considered.

When 5:10 happened, I was convinced they had seen through another layer of the matrix and the ’Real world’ was in fact also fictional. I still think it would have been a more interesting concept than the whatever we got.

@Mikowmer

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's what is going to be the plot of the new matrix movie: They never actually left the Matrix.

@HappyGingerWolf

2 жыл бұрын

I imagine the Canon answer is that his matrix powers extends to all of the machines? So he didn't create an invisible wall he controlled the sentinels to destroy themselves. It's still deus ex machina because such an ability was never established

@charles9489

2 жыл бұрын

@@HappyGingerWolf so u call neo telekineticly destroying the sentinels yet what about agent smith seemingly possessing a real human body. Neo's telekinesis is more believable than smith possessing an actual human outside of the matrix and controlling him

In your description, the third type of resolution which is, "Cavalry to the Rescue" isn't mentioned.

I agree the illusion created in a movie can be broken by cheap and lazy tricks, but, in life random stuff happens, and sometimes I feel like my whole existence are random stuff happening, also, the one writing the script knows what is happening, in contrast to me seeing the film

please show us a critique for nonfiction movies, and equipment they used.

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Do you mean documentaries?

@okamivolgan

2 жыл бұрын

@@StudioBinder yes, thank you for responding

Amazing content.. plz make something on creating 3 dimensional characters successfully

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

You should watch our series on character arcs and 4 endings! Here's one to get you started kzread.info/dash/bejne/dYdls82Qg9G2j9I.html

Okay but the example from Toy Story 3 with the claw was really cute though. And it worked for them because it was on brand, like a sort of call back to the first movie when the aliens were chosen from the claw machine, and that was a foreshadow to that point in the movie where they rescue the other toys with the claw machine.

Please make a video about how time is frozen in movies.. Like something happens and everything freezes and the camera moves around all of it..

I appreciated the end of this video. Gave me a good laugh.

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

Starting everyone's day off properly!

The scene in the Matric where Neo killed the drones sets up the idea that you can't prove what is real and what it's. You can be in simulation within a simulation within a simulation and so on.

@argusy3866

2 жыл бұрын

That wasnt what happened. Dont know why people keep mention that theory. It was hinted in the movie itself and confirmed in the game: all Neos where connected to "The Source" on purpouse by the machines, giving him certain control over the machine's weapons to enhance the idea he is a saviour and the rest of the humans accept him and aid him to fulfill their "destiny", which is fight the machines, die, and reset the matrix.

2:24 After seeing Alan Rickman on screen and hearing his voice, I almost thought, after remembering a Harry Potter scene, the narrator was going to pay a homage to the actor by following his phrase "cheap, lazy" with "arrogant." I also just realized I haven't watched a lot of the legend's films yet.

Hello StudioBinder! Have you ever considered doing a video on the golden ratio in films? I'm unsure how difficult/easy this task would be, but it'd certainly be interesting - and of course it is only an idea. Other than that I just wish to say I absolutely love your content; whenever I see you've uploaded I almost jump up of utter joy. You educate future filmmakers, hopefully one of those being me; thank you

@StudioBinder

2 жыл бұрын

We might! Thanks for the suggestion!

@papakufi

2 жыл бұрын

@@StudioBinder my pleasure, and nonetheless I can't await you upcoming content!

The LGMs didn’t really save the day out of nowhere, though, we see them heading for the claw earlier in movie before the climax, we’re just given enough time and suspense in between seeing them that we forget where they went for a bit. Additionally, the extra life in Ready Player One is more an example of a Chekhov’s Gun than a Deus Ex Machina, since we’re made aware that it holds some significance, but not yet know its purpose.

I think the bacteria in War Of The Worlds serves its purpose. The characters didnt know how to win, they were very vulnerable, but the aliens, despite their technology, were also very vunerable, and they also didnt know

One example of "Deus ex Machina" used for comedic purpose was in "Emperor's New Groove"(2000) from Disney. Emperor Kuzco was turned into a llama and, by the end of the movie, the only potion that could turn him back to a human was dropped after Kuzco's decision to help a friend (Pacha) instead of capturing it, showing his growth/arc from a very selfish characther. While Yzma, the villain, is falling down to her probable death, the scene is switched to one of the guards talking to a trampoline salesman that had just installed a trampoline. Yzma is saved by the trampoline and catches the potion accidentally, before immediatelly run through a ceiling and letting it fall. The heroes have to use a manuever they learned on their journey, but Yzma still catches the potion earlier, just to be immediatelly hit by an open window by her own assistant, Kronk. This back-and-forth of winning and defeat with great timing works really well, and we can see 2 great coincidences that helped a plot go foward. Maybe the "doom" feeling before the "Deus Ex Machina" wasn't so dramatic, but still. We may call it "Deus ex Trampoline" and "Deus ex Kronk/Window". But still, the fact that it is used for comedic purposes makes the absurd coincidences work. Also, because, in the first example, there was a choice by the main characther that is supposed to by rewarded (even though, if he had won both, it would lose the meaning of his decision, he didn't know he would get both at the end, and he was content to help a friend). In the second part, if Yzma simply dropped the potion into their hand, it would be silly. Kuzco choses to help a friend, only for the potion to get immediatelly back to him. That takes out the importance of the decision. So the second part shows how he can acomplish with effort, friendship and collective work (the manuever). This would be sufficient, on its own, but they wanted to do another Yzma failure for multiple reasons (convinience, comedy, etc..)

@NoisqueVoaProduction

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/nJ6guLSQqdHRmLA.html The scene, if anyone want to watch

@therealCrazyJake

Жыл бұрын

“What are the ODDS of that trap door leadin’ me out here?!” -Kronk

What about what I would call a "failed" deus ex machina ? Like when the unexpected intervention finishes badly or doesn't solve the hero's problems. Is it something to avoid too ? To understand what I mean, here's an example : in Luca, in the race scene, it starts raining and Luca (a sea monster that turns into a human when not in contact with water) can't move from where he is or else he turns into a sea monster (in which case he's pretty dead because sea monsters are hunt by humans). But Alberto (another sea monster and the friend of Luca) unexpectedly comes towards him with an umbrella. So the problem's solved. Except that Alberto gets kicked by Ercole, the bad guy of the movie, and he turns into a sea monster in front of everyone. So to save him, Luca has to go under the rain and to turn into a sea monster too. Here, the problem (finishing the race without turning into a sea monster) couldn't have been solved despite Alberto's unexpected intervention.