Really good discussion on how Vader is goal-orientated and his atrocities are in service to those goals rather than just for the sake of “being evil”. The trouble is, Darth Vader is Lawful Evil and the writers are Chaotic Stupid.

@kevinbeaver8534

2 жыл бұрын

I u mm m 6muilmikumku0 6muilmikumku0 United Arab no M

@iivin4233

2 жыл бұрын

I never thought about Vader that way but it is true and even if it weren't, a goal oriented Vader is more complex than the screaming child we got in the prequels and sequels.

@Nexus-6

2 жыл бұрын

'Chaotic Stupid' - I'll have to add that to my alignment chart. 😂👌

@fictiontheorizer1991

2 жыл бұрын

@@iivin4233 I liked him in the Phantom Menace. We definitely deserved better than the screaming teenager though.

@anzelmpup3346

2 жыл бұрын

Chatotic stupid is my favorite alignment now. Thank you.

Remember that time Darth Vader killed Obi Wan Kenobi in the Death Star and Luke was really upset, and Leia gave exactly zero fks and gave no impression she had ever met him?

@brianlagrant9757

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe he'll Men in Black her memory before the series ends. LOL.

@dorianshepard2841

2 жыл бұрын

​@@brianlagrant9757 Tessa Thompson will show up as a secret jedi named valkyrie and mind trick Leia into believing they never met and then that's how Kenobi learns how to do the mind tricks he forgot about it

@StaticDreads

2 жыл бұрын

Then recruit kenobi to the avengers

@newtpondskipper

2 жыл бұрын

Pepperidge Farms remembers.

@ppsarrakis

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianlagrant9757 not maybe,this is gonna happen,or a traumatic force attack by the sith.

Whenever Disney tried to call the fans racist for not liking their character, just don’t forget what they did to Finn and John Boyega in order to appease Chinese government.

@no_activity

2 жыл бұрын

He had so much potential, and they did nothing with him.

@marcogenovesi8570

2 жыл бұрын

they basically murdered Finn as well, he could have been a great character and they made him into a shite "diversity hire" weak and sad male

@garethdevlin5399

2 жыл бұрын

If there was a new star wars movie would it do well at the box office I mean most star wars fans know it would be bad drinker predicted the ending of Kenobi show we kinda know this was going to happen anyway

@kenjifox4264

Жыл бұрын

@@garethdevlin5399 punctuation my friend.

@psychokinrazalon

Жыл бұрын

Government or the people?

0:40 - Hello 1:29 - Disparu Enters 2:05 - Congratulations Johnny Depp 12:20 - *Obi-Wan Kenobi* 1:32:56 - *Rings of Power* 1:47:35 - George R.R. Martin & House of the Dragon 2:06:40 - Superchats 2:49:40 - Disparu Exits

@aronblanche

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@deepaknambisan3251

2 жыл бұрын

You da real MVP etc. Thank you.

@fugu_3467

2 жыл бұрын

you could say Disparu disappeared...

@watermusic4381

2 жыл бұрын

People like you are the real heroes. 👍👏

@MoriMemento117

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!

The writer for Obi-Wan said in an interview she wanted to top the rogue one scary Vader scene. The problem is, Vader is scary for the inexperienced, and ordinary soldiers. He shouldn't be scary to Obi-Wan who already fought and defeated him. Obi-Wan also shouldn't be rusty. If his goal in life was to protect and eventually train Luke, wouldn't he make sure he is in fighting condition? And don't get me started on how they did the grand inquisitor dirty.

@supernintendochalmers646

2 жыл бұрын

The Grand Inquisitor was my favourite NEW bad guy character. Guy playing him had some acting talent unlike some new 'diverse' actors who shall remain nameless.

@JanaenaeYT

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention that writing for a massive world like this shouldn't be about "one-upping" previous outings... it's not a competition, it should all work together, damnit. No pun intended, but you shouldn't have to force anything.

@alesksander

2 жыл бұрын

@@JanaenaeYT this... sometimes less is more... Kenobi should be character study about failed friendship and mentorship without direct confrontation. Period.

@diegofiggie965

2 жыл бұрын

See, I don't think him losing against Vader was a problem of him being old and rusty (although he is), but simply that Vader has become much more powerful and that's why he's so scared of him. Even if Obi-Wan was on his prime, he wouldn't be able to defeat current Vader, who is the chosen one, has the highest midiclorian count, chada chada. The fact he is a burned quadriplegic in a robot suit doesn't affect his force powers (if anything, it increases them for fueling his anger and connection to the dark side).

@dimitarbojkov7893

2 жыл бұрын

​@@diegofiggie965 The problem is that this breaks continuity since in A New Hope Vader talks as if he was weaker than Obi-Wan when the two of them met for the last time. If Vader dominates Obi-Wan in this one then the scene in Episode 4 won't make any sense.

Mad to think we'd live in the futuristic year of 2022, and all we'd want is to go back to late 90s/early 00s entertainment. God, they were golden days...

@jack_meoff69

2 жыл бұрын

I'll take the 80s and 90s please and thank you

@jonbaxter2254

2 жыл бұрын

@@jack_meoff69 Good choice, loved 80s action films. I just think late 90s struck that great tone of story and action with thing like The Matrix and Falling Down.

@braindeadgaming273

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah and you could actually live off a income

@RM_VFX

2 жыл бұрын

There were 3 good solid decades of true post-studio system blockbusters, before the over-CG'd downfall, committee films, and corporate wokeness ruined things. At least now we can watch the good old stuff in 4K HDR.

@skylx0812

2 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised Mathilda May was never forced to apologize to the green hair mob for strolling around in Lifeforce wearing only a pair of special contact lenses. Gedde Watanabe had to apologize to the woke mob for his Long Duk Dong character from Sixteen Candles. They demand retroactive wokeness from the "uniformed" past.

Amber's friends: "Just accuse him of domestic abuse, women win literally every time. You're so brave and strong boo, you go gurl (etc etc)" Jonny Depp: "Nah, hold my spyglass."

@robbomegavlkafenryka6158

2 жыл бұрын

“It seems you have forgotten; that I am, in fact, Captain Jack Sparrow.”

@ohnosmoarlulcatz

2 жыл бұрын

Johnny Depp: "Your honor, here is an audio recording of Amber Turd beating me."

@Nunya310

2 жыл бұрын

“Hold my mega pint”

@HisNameWasCrazy

2 жыл бұрын

@@ohnosmoarlulcatz News Media: "What recording, all I heard was evil internet influencers plotting world domination?"

@MrGlenakatheone

2 жыл бұрын

“I gave Marilyn Manson a pill…so he would stop talking so much.”

"Look how they massacred my boy" - Every fan of everything atm

@kenXtripleI

2 жыл бұрын

It's depressing it's come to that

@fr0ck360

2 жыл бұрын

“Let’s fucking go!!” - Every Souls fan -

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

It’s just sad and tragic in the most horrible way.

"If you write a series where you have to wipe somebody's memory in a prequel... you probably wrote it badly" Threepio has entered the chat

@harlannguyen4048

2 жыл бұрын

R2D2 didn't get his mind wiped in Episode 3. It actually becomes important in Legends.

@coltonwhite2518

Жыл бұрын

I can forgive that because droids in the Star wars saga do routinely get memory wipes or else they develop personality quirks and can become hostile. This was established all the way in the OT and was consistently carried over into the expanded universe.

I was born in 81 and grew up with Star Wars as literally the earliest stories I knew. The Empire Strikes Back was complete sensory overload and the most completely engrossing tale I knew in my young life. It's so good, even nearly 4 decades later, it still grabs my whole attention and sucks me into that world. When I was a kid, I wanted so bad for the story to be real. I used to lay awake at night as a 6, 7, or 8 year old boy creating elaborate Star Wars fantasies in my mind until I fell asleep. Retconning the original trilogy is completely unforgivable. They may own Star Wars, but the story doesn't belong to them. It belongs to the people in whose minds it has taken shape. They can do whatever they like with the new trash they make, but retconning the original story is completely unforgivable. It is creative and cultural vandalism. They are literally stealing a mythology from us. The people doing this and writing this garbage aren't even Star Wars fans. They change the story at will because they never knew it to begin with. It means nothing to them. Even worse, they're doing it to make a social and political point. It's sickening.

@JoeMama-yd1ve

2 жыл бұрын

I watched the final confrontation between Luke and Vader a million times and would play it out in the back yard and with an older neighbor kid all the time. I'd even get on the ground and writhe around, pleading for my father to save me. One time he asked if he could play as Luke this time and I politely declined. I can't comprehend how anyone that was a fan of the original movies can enjoy the disney ones. They weren't just poorly written. No. They deliberately undid every significant moment by each and every beloved character with a transparent political message specifically crafted to antagonize and provoke the fans of George Lucas's vision. And not a unique political message, but the same damn one we get in every single piece of media, so it's not just ranting and raving against woke sjw bullshit. It's exhausting and beyond old to see this messaging in everything. I would not be surprised if they made a new mini series about a woman of color who decides to turn off the trash compactor in "A New Hope," just to make sure we know that the droids didn't actually save the day. Shit, I just gave them a new bright idea...

@Jordo246

2 жыл бұрын

It's funny that you were born 14 years before me and yet we had the same experience with Star Wars, I endlessly watched the OT as a child and even liked the prequels because I was a child and didn't understand anything about writing or directing at the time but even so Star Wars meant a lot to me. It shows just how powerful of an emotional bond it has to with the fans that even people born decades apart like us still loved it. What they are doing with it now is nothing short of a travesty, taking established plots and and re-contextualising them into their shitty woke political pandering bullcrap world view destroys escapism. Every movie quite literally starts with "A long time ago, in a galaxy far away" and they fail to understand even this basic thing, ironically making it relate more to our real world makes the characters less relatable. I'm so sick of seeing beloved characters from not just Star Wars but any of these older big franchises being turned into cynical, broken and useless old men that need some shitty new usually female character to do everything for them. In my mind Star Wars ends with Return of The Jedi and it will always remain that way, everything Disney has done is nothing but shit tier fan fiction, actually no not even fan fiction because that implies these people are fans. Whatever this shit is, it doesn't count.

@Korschtal

2 жыл бұрын

Worse, it isn't even a true political point; they're trying to convince people of something in the hope that if enough people believe it, then it will somehow become true.

@Zenbuck2

2 жыл бұрын

Every soft reboot, spinoff, etc, drains the magic from the originals. Intellectual Product is all it's about these days, and no effort goes into creativity anymore.

@luishion

2 жыл бұрын

G/' g. Z

No one ever mentions this so I will: Reva… Revan So creatively BANKRUPT they can’t even name her and be original.

@fr0ck360

2 жыл бұрын

Even Starkiller with Starkiller base…how original

The reason amber can’t use bankruptcy to remove the judgement is because she was found to have committed actual malice

If you don't 100% support Kenobi then pure liquid bigotry flows through your veins. - Disney, probably

@jonbaxter2254

2 жыл бұрын

"Let the hate flow through you..."

@genmaicha.lapsang

2 жыл бұрын

I will have you know that my veinous bigotry is solid.

@enalb5085

2 жыл бұрын

I see people on social media commenting on Disney's ad for it "I don't know why people are giving the black girl such a hard time" like dude nobody is giving her a hard time its all lies. As long as companies like Disney have control of the news media we are going to be slaves. Disney needs to get hit with anti-trust legislation (along with others)

@iivin4233

2 жыл бұрын

@@genmaicha.lapsang You need to consume less saturated bigotry. It can cause a heart attack.

@verindictus3639

2 жыл бұрын

- Disney, definitely.

General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. - does this sound like a message from someone who had a memorable adventure with some years ago?!? I hate Disney

@whiskeyhound

2 жыл бұрын

Would be funny if "Leia" turns out to be a body double and her parents didn't even realise the real Leia was still hanging out around their palace as a maid or something.

The perfect British trio, a Welshman, an Englishman and a Scotsman

@_Dovar_

10 ай бұрын

...walk into an Open Bar.

Maybe the big reveal will be that obi-wan found the younglings but intentionally left behind the black one to make room for grogu on the ship

@dianebrooks1859

2 жыл бұрын

Oh nooooo I bet you are on point somewhere in that

@aloaloings5596

2 жыл бұрын

I mean wouldnt you

@amanibob1416

2 жыл бұрын

Alright I laughed, here's another like.

The most staggering thing is the general public seem to love this show, I'd say it's like 95% are absolutely digging it and are all "Vader is just toying with Kenobi OBVIOUSLY, you just don't understand Vaders character"

@thehoerscorral8565

2 жыл бұрын

These are the people who think The Last Jedi is the pinnacle of cinema and the absolute peak of all SW content. What did you expect?

@jaimeruiz7837

2 жыл бұрын

@@thehoerscorral8565 that isn’t true, I know some people from work who don’t see the issues and think it’s a good thing.

@libertyprime6932

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaimeruiz7837 You say "that isn't true" then you immediately prove his point. Those people will eat up anything, they are the people who wouldn't recognize a character or continuity error if it smacked them in the face.

@thehoerscorral8565

2 жыл бұрын

@@libertyprime6932 lmao exactly, you beat me to it. He disagrees then agrees with me?

@macahdahma7382

2 жыл бұрын

Crack addicts love taking crack at first...

That’s what happened in Legends. Ben was at a bar when a news story talks about this new soldier of the empire named Vader. Ben has a panic attack. He thinks he messed up by putting Luke with Owen and Beru. He meditates and talks to Qui Gon’s ghost and Qui Gon tells him Anakin won’t come back to Tattooine because he was a slave there. His mother is brutally murdered there. Tattooine is a place of pain and suffering for Anakin.

Remember the comment in a New Hope, “I don’t remember owning a droid”. You literally have one guarding your cave!

@Soyuz2578

2 жыл бұрын

Yup... Theyre destroying canon one turd at a time

@Nightbreed24

2 жыл бұрын

Lucas started screwing that up to be fair.

@manoz6194

2 жыл бұрын

Don't invest emotionally in works of fiction

@krald8421

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nightbreed24 How, Obi wan never viewed himself as owning the droid, it was the Jedi's property not his

@fictiontheorizer1991

2 жыл бұрын

In fairness he had droids in the prequels. The habit of Obi-wan spiting falsehoods is not new to Disney.

It's comforting to know that HER story is more important than the story of Kenobi...the TITULAR CHARACTER.

From the interview with Morfydd Clark: "Rings of Power is more of a message to the patriarchy, and the old cultural guard. A message that says we are no longer going to play fiddle to a white man's vision. This uses elements of Tolkien and his story, but focuses on a sociopolitical statement of power and unity. The story was great, but had a lot of flaws. Now its time to bring the focus to the minorities and the LGBT community. This story is for everyone." Says it all pretty much doesn't it. There never was much hope. Only a fool's hope -Gandalf

@sillygoose9791

2 жыл бұрын

If they don't want to "play fiddle to a white man's vision", why do they even use a white man's idea as the basis to jump from? Why can't the spreaders of the "message" make their own IPs?

@aw7400

2 жыл бұрын

They won't play second fiddle to a white man's vision, but they sure as hell will use that vision to make a quick buck. If you want to "stick it to the patriarchy" just write your own fantasy series where everyone is diverse and gay and you can tell whatever stories you want. Good luck making any profit off that, though.

They so badly wanted to do a redemption story for Obi Wan, but he really didn't need redeeming. He was one of the only people in the galaxy who could hold his head high after the fall of the republic. He defeated Vader and cut him into pieces, he then selflessly went into exile for the rest of his life to watch over Luke. Why would he be so decrepit and beaten down? I mean yes, sure he'd have regrets over Anakin, but enough to completely forget how to Jedi? That was his whole life, he still had a mission to complete.

2:08 Johnny Depp Victorious! 7:30 Tom Cruise - the Movie Magic vs the Real World 12:25 _Obi-Wan Kenobi_ 1:32:48 _The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power_ 1:47:56 George R. R. Martin 2:06:55 Superchats

@OliverHollingdale

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Not all heroes wear capes!

@etme1000

2 жыл бұрын

and then there are those quiet heroes like GenMVeers...

@GenMVeers

2 жыл бұрын

@@OliverHollingdale You're welcome 🙂. I got my ispiration from the guys who do timestamp lists for *MooLer* and *Overlord DVD* (though I am _too slow_ to make as detailed lists as they do 😕). Oh!, it's 28 June, I'm going through some unread e-mail notifications from KZread, hence the late reply 😅.

They pulled off the "cut off from the force" plot point in KOTOR 2, and it was executed brilliantly in that game. How the fuck did the writers for Kenobi fuck up that same idea so hard?

@dorianshepard2841

2 жыл бұрын

guarantee none of these writers played that game or read any books written before 2014

@roadbone1941

2 жыл бұрын

They're going to rape KOTOR too.

@fl4shblade

2 жыл бұрын

do you also remember that in that game someone asks what the force is like and all three descriptions are actually awe inspiring? "imagine waking up to the heartbeat of the universe for the first time...."

@spencerbean8802

2 жыл бұрын

@@fl4shblade it's insanely good. It's beautiful. It's the best Star Wars story that's ever been told.

@thefool8224

2 жыл бұрын

or like kyle katarn in jedi knight 2. who basically forgets how to use even basic force push

52:02 “They (Disney) haven’t fucked up Vader yet.” TROS, Disney took away Vader’s redemption of killing the Emperor and bringing balance to the force, by giving it to Rey instead. Disney fucked Vader/Anakin in 2019.

Reva is the perfect representation of THE MESSAGE. She want all the power without having earned it. She just thinks she deserves it.

@AkaiSuisei1776

2 жыл бұрын

This would have been fine if she would fail and get admonished by Vader, constantly showing her power hunger and ambition.

@dire213

2 жыл бұрын

reva is just the woke version of kylo ren

@MrJabbothehut

2 жыл бұрын

They had the perfect blueprint of female nasty inquisitor with Trilla from Fallen Order. They couldnt even copy her properly and fucked it up so badly.

@marcogenovesi8570

2 жыл бұрын

@@dire213 I mean Kylo is still a white male ffs, how can he tell THE MESSAGE

@elsarabrook4273

2 жыл бұрын

One thing that bugs me about Reva is the ordinary look to the character. I first saw inquisitors in an animation, so they were stylized, interesting looking. She looks completely ordinary in a plain black 'wanna-be Vader' outfit. A bit of alien exoticness may have made her more menacing.

That anyone is surprised how this turned out given the track record at Disney baffles me.Let's be honest, The Mandalorian and Rogue One are the high water marks for Disney Star Wars,not because they are amazing works of their own but because they are simply just not as woefully bad as the rest.

@EmperorNero

2 жыл бұрын

I'd take 5 Book of Bobas over this. Yea Boba was bad, but at least they didn't make Boba a coward.

@chadalicious374

2 жыл бұрын

@@EmperorNero No,they just made him a useless and bumbling ancillary character in his own show.

@EmperorNero

2 жыл бұрын

@@chadalicious374 Useless yes, totally incapable.

@JanaenaeYT

2 жыл бұрын

My first red flag went up a few months ago, when I learned that one of the writers for the show was Joby Harold. He helped Zack Snyder write Army of the Dead... That was a pretty big uh-oh moment. :/

@kalasmournrex1470

2 жыл бұрын

Rogue One was only better than TLJ. Name a single character in Rogue One that isn’t Jen Urso, and admit you only know her name because they say it 100 times.

Yoda LITERALLY gave obi wan training to do so he could become a force ghost when he died so the idea that he just cuts himself off from the force makes zero sense

I think Disney writers just have the most incredible hubris and ego, if you think about it Ahsoka is a strong diverse female character. They should be going wild for her and putting her in anything. But because she’s a popular character that they didn’t make they don’t. Funny isn’t it.

He KNEW Darth Vader in Ep 4. "He's more machine than man now". He KNEW Vader was Anakin in Ep 3. So there is no way you can make that scene work

@_Dovar_

10 ай бұрын

This quote is from Episode V.

So, if Obi-Wan never heard of Vader on a planet frequented by criminals and smugglers, how did Yoda know Anakin survived? He was in exile on an uninhabited swamp world.

@djm122270

2 жыл бұрын

The Force, duh....

@dicedoom7162

2 жыл бұрын

obi-wan told him

@laughingmask3118

2 жыл бұрын

Obi-Wan thought he was dead. He STILL thinks he's dead! In the OT he clearly disassociates Anakin and Vader, and he sees Vader as the man who killed Anakin! NO ONE REMEMBERS THIS SHIT AND IT'S REALLY PISSING ME OFF.

@dicedoom7162

2 жыл бұрын

@@laughingmask3118 i thought he meant it as a metafore?

@kalasmournrex1470

2 жыл бұрын

@@laughingmask3118 Obi-Wan appears on Dagobah as a ghost to convinced Yoda to train Luke. Perhaps the ghost also told Yoda Anakin survived as Vader. We know he knows Yoda is alive once he is a ghost since he is the one who tells Luke to go to Dagobah.

The Vader Kenobi showdown was so utterly wasted in that episode.

If Drinker is exposed to direct sunlight he goes up in flames faster than a Guy Fawkes effigy.

@atomicdancer

2 жыл бұрын

He's more alcohol than man, now. Twisted and highly flammable.

@mcd22630

2 жыл бұрын

Alcohol is flammable.

This is one of my favorite open bars so far. Good conversation with no one person dominating the conversation.

Glad to see Disparu on here. His content is top notch and its great seeing his channel get bigger and bigger.

@Capybara2240

2 жыл бұрын

I watched one of his recent vids on kenobi a few days ago because I’ve seen hardly anyone speak up about how bad the show is and then a day later I see him on the critical drinkers live stream and it was pretty cool to see a smaller creator join this live, felt like the multiverse of madness but better

@skylx0812

2 жыл бұрын

Only just happened upon his channel. I was under the impression he was already a well established name. Certainly carries himself like one. Mazel tov, stranger...

I wish Kenobi figured out that Darth Vader is Anakin on his own, sensing his presence or realizing it in their confrontation…not through Reva; who shouldn’t have known his identity in the first place. That’s such a cheap thing to do.

@aw7400

2 жыл бұрын

Yup take away the big payoff for the main character and give it to a random nobody they introduced to this series just for the diversity points. Seems on par for Disney at this point.

@johnhoney5089

Жыл бұрын

Yoda already told him Anakin was Vader in Revenge of the Sith. The whole thing was pointless.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

@@johnhoney5089 💯💯

We wanted "Logan" out of an ObiWan series and disney gave us... disney starwars. As it always seems to be, the one thing that could fail is what they've done with an idea. They could have given an on screen death to Asaag Ventress. We could have had Ahsoka. They could have brought in Crimson Dawn and Darth Maul. They could have had parallel stories of Vader hunting the Jedi and Obi Wan having to betray his ideals and fighting the darkside in his own dissolusioned self, intercut with flashback as they both dwelled on the mistakes of the past.

@dorianshepard2841

2 жыл бұрын

oh look another Disney star wars show about a middle aged loner having to watch after a small child and the antics ensue.

Star Wars has the most broken pieces of lore of any IP of its level of popularity. Star Wars' writing rivals comic book writing for its imbicility. The sad thing is Star Wars' problems as compared to, say, Marvel's problems, are so easy to fix. For example, the stormtroopers not recognizing Kenobi in this latest series. Have the stormtroopers recognize him but write the stormtroopers to be old clones. The region that the truck scene takes place in looks isolated. It's plausible that aging but still useful soldiers would be deployed there. I imagine the interaction playing out like this: The clones realize it's General Kenobi but without Order 66 being in effect they choose to look the other way out of respect for his war career. That could be a plot point to build the series on: Kenobi--with some senatorial help--wrestles away control of some of his former clone subordinates. Maybe Kenobi builds up a network of insiders to hide force sensitives, most important among them being Luke and Leia. Maybe the plan becomes to challenge Palpatine's legitimacy with Leia--peaceful Alderaan behind her, and challenge Vader physically with Luke. In this scenario the Empire's eventual destruction of Alderaan and capture of Leia would make them seem one step ahead of the good guys. The dueling plans of Empire and Rebel/Old Republic supporters would make both sides seem competent. Hell. If you wanted to subvert expectations in a logical way you could write it so that Luke is not immediately force sensitive. As Kenobi's plan expands Leia rises to prominence and Luke gets lost in the shuffle. Then when Luke grows up to save everybody and not kill Vader but convert him it is a triumph of the underdog and the power of the light side of the force. This would also have the happy benefit of subverting the idea that the force is genetic. Luke accesses it when he learns to access it. Leia doesn't end up accessing it because her political acumen becomes more important than combat training and centeredness. But instead we're given an Organa child who is an iredeemable bigot. This civilization that is is going to die in Ep 4, a writing team should spend time making it sympathetic. Instead we're given a story centered on the one character who is obligated to sit tight in order for the rest of the series' plot to work. He's made depressed and inadequate on top of that and his opposition, laughable. I do not understand why this had to be. Star Wars never violated The Message. It has always showed the triumph of diversity and even sensitivity. It didn't have to be sacrificed to make a point. The existence of a That Star Wars Girl proves that the series was good enough for girls as it was, it's universal success that it was already made for everybody.

@supergrovah2729

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, you just put more thought into writing than Disney did....

@fictiontheorizer1991

2 жыл бұрын

The clones never really did have personalities in the movies though. That was the whole reason Order 66 didn't send off any alarm bells for the group of trained empaths until they started dying in mass. Because the clones were just following orders. As for why they are butchering Star Wars? Sheer contempt towards anything not made by them, and a utter disdain towards the past. If they can't have the spotlight, no one will.

@iivin4233

2 жыл бұрын

@@supergrovah2729 Thank you. That means more to me than you might realize.

@iivin4233

2 жыл бұрын

@@fictiontheorizer1991Thanks for reading my long comment. It's awesome to be heard! Ah that is a problem then if the clones don't have an understanding of emotions like respect. Honestly though clone lore was just poorly thought out. I'd change it completely. My idea for the clones would be that they were a separatist project. The separatists would want a force of thinking automatons after what to happened to their drones on Naboo. Palpatine, knowing about this CIS project, could then seize the clones to save the jedi. What a coup for Palpatine. He not only appears to save the jedi (who the senate did nothing to help) but stole a CIS army in order to do it (an army the senate did nothing to deal with). Then in later movies Palpatine would use the questionable ethics of using only human clones to rally to his Empire all of the human minorities on all of the republic planets. Since humans have no home planet for protection it could be easy to convince them that they've been systemically abused. But they do seem to have a large presence on most planets so if Palpatine did concentrate them into the Imperial Army they'd outnumber species like the Wookies, Mon Cal and others who have less affinity for leaving their home planet and less reason to serve in expeditionary armies. I can empathize with those writers wanting to tell their own stories. I've been doing that for years BECAUSE of them. Thanks again.

@RM_VFX

2 жыл бұрын

I'd say most of the new stuff is below comic book level. I actually liked a lot of the post-2014 Star Wars comics more than any of the sequels. They actually gave the legacy chracters some depth. The Leia comic showed she was a loyal diplomat who wasn't afraid to get her hands dirty, and would do anything for her people. Vader in his own series and Dr Aphra showed his obsession with finding Luke after ANH, and hinted at a desire to subvert Palpatine. I don't understand why they can't make shows from some of this stuff, they'd actually be better.

I can not stand the stupid writing that has consistently come out of Disney since taking over Lucas. I watched in wonder in my youth when the first 1st Star Wars movie came out, but ever since Disney took the creative reins, I have gone from dread to cringe to hate of all things Star Wars, as per Disney.

"You take things too far!" "You don't take things far enough!" It's like poetry, it rhymes.

@11jerans

2 жыл бұрын

I say your taxes go too far! I say your taxes don’t go too far enough! -Futurama

Leia going on this kidnapping adventure with Obi Wan should be a life changing/life altering experience, one she would never forget. It makes her later mentions of obi wan in new hope seem totally out of place and off.

For the pop tart question: toaster (never frozen or raw), then break it in half, then eat the edges off each half, then consume the delicious inner portions.

The storm troopers they randomly ran into were supposedly walking around some giant prairie looking for Obi-Wan. First, that makes no sense they don't recognize the dude they are looking under tumbleweeds to find, but it made me laugh because it reminded me of the Spaceballs "combing the desert" looking for Lonestar. The troopers were let out in the middle of absolutely no where to look for a dude who is somewhere on the planet. So much of this series makes absolutely no sense. Mandalorian gave me faith that Disney wrested control of LucasFilm from Kennedy and unofficially gave it to Jon Favreau. But when you see the absolute lack of quality in Boba and now Obi-Wan, I can only guess Kennedy's back in charge.

The scene in which Obi-wan and Leia sat with the stormtroopers in the truck was probably one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen in my life. The level of stupidity displayed by both sides is unreal. It is almost as if the writers are trolling those who haven't completely turned their brains off. I mean, who wrote those conversations?

@Magneticlaw

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe HP Lovecraft did, from beyond the grave. While he created an amazing mythos, his skills at writing dialogue were hideous, but at least he knew it.....but these hacks don't, which is dangerous......

@bryant9774

2 жыл бұрын

They don't know Lovecraft's work. The only thing they know of him is his cats name.

@supernintendochalmers646

2 жыл бұрын

Woody Allen?

@djm122270

2 жыл бұрын

Shut it, Bruno...

About Obi-Wan Kenobi, it's obvious that the show is Kathleen kennedy's attempt to erase Dave Filoni legacy, eg. Reva killing the Grand Inquisitor. In Filoni's Star Wars Rebels, Obi-Wan easily defeated Darth Maul. That fight scene makes sense because if Obi-Wan was to protect Luke (The One) then it would make sense for him to always be prepared. If you are familiar with Filoni Star Wars shows, you'll see that Kennedy's Obi-Wan mini series completely veered off from the canon Filoni's already established.

@ghostfaceshillah4214

2 жыл бұрын

Im actually one of those people that like star wars rebels, and do you think kenobi is worth watching so far?

Kenobi: The boy has to be trained; Also Kenobi can't use the force because of the big sad.

That Tom Cruise “infomercial” was more him thanking people for coming to see the film and letting his audience know that they did the best they could to make a good movie for us to enjoy. It was great. It wasn’t really welcoming people back to the theater or anything.

@no_activity

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely started the film on a high point.

I've seen people argue that, like Luke, Obi-Wan cut himself off from The Force blah blah blah. How long was Yoda alone before Luke showed up and he was able to train Luke and pull his X-wing out of the swamp? Obi-Wan was a Master too...

@hariman7727

2 жыл бұрын

So they're copying both The Last Jedi AND The Mandalorian.

@archstanton9073

2 жыл бұрын

Degobah had an old Sith temple (the cave the Luke enters in Empire) on it which masked Yoda's Force powers.

"stop that leia" Stoom troopers raise there heads at the name Obi-wan doesn't turn his head but raises his hand at the Troopers and dismissingly says "not that leia" Setting up Obi-wan being badass but also a slight interesting comedy moment 🤟

Really happy to see Disparu chatting with you. I have been watching his reviews and I thought he would be a good addition to "the crew". Glad to see you agreed.

First Luke, then Han Solo, Anakin/Vader, force ghosts, Boba Fett, the Millennium Falcon, and many more have become retcon victims under Disney. Now Kenobi, and this is last straw. Cancel Disney+, this is how Disney gets the message.

25:42 this was actually very well explained in the former canon books ”Darth Bane”. Force users create a force shield around them to protect them from other force users. Only when one looses concentration, or when an adversary is incredibly strong in the force, can that ”shield” be broken. The first case happens when Obi fights Darth Maul and is thrown back by the force, he had lost his focus because of Qui-Gon's defeat, and the latter happens with Dooku, who is much stronger than Obi, but weaker that Anakin.

Good to see Disparu making the rounds!

What I'm seeing is a massive years-long movement towards political gentrification of various fanbases. Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, Terminator, on and on. Nothing is off-limits to these people. They will take every single beloved franchise that ever existed and race-swap/gender-swap the shit out of the characters. Like a plague of locusts, destroying all forms of creativity and replacing them with bland, unoriginal, diversity-hire checkboxes until the "new generation" finally accepts all this as normal.

Exactly how could kenobi train luke when he's supposedly forgotten the force 😆 🤣 😂 😹

@Chirishman343

2 жыл бұрын

he'll start studying the night before obviously!

@vespenegas261

2 жыл бұрын

10 year old princess Leia taught him, obviously.

It's ironic that Disney is becoming the villain in a franchise they bought, soon they'll say lines like "I am the senate", "I'll make it legal", "Let the hate flow through you", or "What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon"

remember in revenge of the sith anakin and obi Wan try to force push each other but their powers are too equivalent so they each end up rebounding off each other in attack of the clones Dooku force pushes Anakin because he's substantially more powerful. that combined with the clone wars and rebels would seem to show that a force user can only manipulate another force user when there is a large discrepancy in power/ability

@santiag0106

2 жыл бұрын

Dooku pushes Anakin after cutting his arm

@dorianshepard2841

2 жыл бұрын

@@santiag0106 AotC Dooku zaps anakin with lightening which he also uses to pick up and throw anakin. He tries the same on the more experienced Kenobi who blocks it with his lightsaber. Later in the fight tries it on Yoda who reflects it back at Dooku who then reflects it to the ceiling "its clear this contest can't be decided by our knowledge of the Force" a clear indication the preceding events were ruled by each Force users command and understanding of Force techniques. In RotS Dooku force pushes Kenobi. Later in the movie Palpatine tries to zap windu who reflects it with his saber until Anakin stops him. Later Palpatine zaps an unprepared Yoda who immediately after force pushes Palpatine. Later in the fight he tries to zap Yoda again who blocks and tries to absorb the energy, but their equivalency causes them both to he rebounded by a force wave. In RotJ Palpatine effortlessly zaps an unprepared Luke who has no hope of resisting that power level. These are all occasions where knowledge/power discrepancy caused a different result based on who was stronger or more prepared. So do you have anymore copium to embarass yourself with?

@santiag0106

2 жыл бұрын

@@dorianshepard2841 your bible doesn't contradict what I said

An example of a good desert fight is actually Obi-wan vs Maul in Rebels, it was short but impactful, there was meaning and ended with the resolution of the Obi-wan/Maul feud and respect between them. Kenobi is such a bloody let down in comparison.

@joshmorales770

2 жыл бұрын

This was actually my greatest concern when Obi-Wan was first announced, that the series would find a way to undo the Obi-Wan/Maul final duel in favor of some ridiculous spinning-flying-backflip CGI fest to *improve* it. I didn't realize the endgame was simply to destroy Obi-Wan as a character on the whole.

boba fett was ruined after his mainline story had ended. all the others are being ruined either by removing their prior victories or by setting them up to be failures before their time in the spotlight, examples in point leia in a suicide mission on rogue1(then being kidnapped as a child and her adopted family running to a hiding jedi instead of their government for help), obi-wan going galivanting and "facing" vader before a new hope, vader CONSTANTLY failing to close a kill/victory despite being within a saber-throw distance of it happening.

To be fair on the powerless Obi Wan, an easy explanation, and one that would have made more sense, was that Obi Wan had disconnected from the force (as characters have done in other Star Wars literature), as a way to stop other force sensitives such as Vader and Palpatine from finding him, as a way to protect Luke. Yeah, the fact he had no idea who Vader was made no sense. The fact Reva had to tell him was utter nonsense.

Vader force lifts Kenobi and laughingly says, " It appears you have the high ground again!"

Never been so anxious for an open bar....now I have something to listen to at work tonight! Thank you, Drinker and cheers!!

@TomTomTom87

2 жыл бұрын

same!

@_pokies

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you get fired

@TomTomTom87

2 жыл бұрын

@@aarone1981 cringe

I actually think, Disneys plans are much more sinister. They are not just satisfied with humiliating Obi Wan and Vader, they will show how much better Leia is compared to Luke and that SHE would had been the much better choice to become a Jedi.

Get Disparu on more please Will, fits in perfectly

"We'll never catch him now!" In the Rogue One universe Vader, the empire would have EASILY caught Obi Wan, easily.

Man... completely different from Obi-wan v Darth Maul in Rebels. Now that was a freaking moment.

Leia had adventures before Luke and she was a genius since age 10. That's all this is. This is the same tactic they keep repeating.

Thank God you guys talk about all the Kenobi problems. Social Media is loving it and it's so badly made.

Kenobi is irredeemable after he ran away while innocent ppl were getting neck snapped. No arc can undo that, eventually when he gets his power back everyone will be like "o gee thanks why the fuck couldn't u do that the other day dumbass" Edit: he gets full power back half way through the next episode

I used to think that KK was just incompetent and didn't understand Star Wars. Now I know she actively HATES IT.

Seriously though; the Pirates films are way more darker and adult than I remember.

@fictiontheorizer1991

2 жыл бұрын

The first is a classic and the second is okay. I'm partial to Stranger Tides, but that's a personal preference. 'Dead Man Tell No Tales' is a bit of a mess and At The World's End is a long boring political 'drama' that relys on spontaneous plot developments and handwaved story telling.

@jonbaxter2254

2 жыл бұрын

The first one has rape, a dude getting his face blown off point blank, zombies slitting throats and out-right murder. It's a great trilogy.

@fictiontheorizer1991

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonbaxter2254 The essence of a classic right there. Everyone must suffer. Seriously though, the first movie is great.

@JSPena

2 жыл бұрын

@@fictiontheorizer1991 I think World’s End is… okay. It’s long as hell, and killing the Kraken offscreen sucks, but like Endgame they should’ve just stopped there.

@tigervalley62

2 жыл бұрын

@@JSPena: Fully Agree. I've said for years they should have left it a trilogy. Whether the 3rd movie was good or not is debatable, but it did conclude the story for a lot of characters up to that point, including Jack's. To quote Gary from Nerdrotic: "There are only 3 Indiana Jones movies. There are only 6 Star Wars movies. There are only 2 Terminator movies." Likewise, there are only 3 Pirate movies so far as I'm concerned. Mermaids in the 4th one was cool though, I'll give them that.

If someone's trying to say DV victims are the same as her, that's an insult. I don't get this whole "setting domestic victims back" crap. The victim won. Depp was abused, silenced for years, was vilified by the very person abusing him. Gimme a break, this was a win for abuse victims everywhere. Amber separating victims into genders is a disgraceful way of shielding herself from accusations. Anyone can be a victim and anyone could be an abuser. The facts and evidence is what matters most, and justice prevailed in this case] INTERSTELLAR Main Theme Guitar kzread.info/dash/bejne/qpp2lqezaazHeZM.html Killing Arasaka... | Cyberpunk 2077 Rebel Path Guitar MV kzread.info/dash/bejne/imeTrNSRp9Wam5M.html Alucard and Trevor Battle Baroque Guitar MV (Lost Cathedral) kzread.info/dash/bejne/fa12tLyMfs2vdtY.html

When they mentioned Luke being left unprotected my first thought was the terminator dark woke scene were Connor is removed from the franchise. I wouldn't put it past Disney at this point.

As a great admirer of Sir Alec Guiness, and of the nobility of the character he created (whom he chose to create in a specific way), I find this humiliation of the Obi-Wan Kenobi character personally offensive.

I became a fan of mauler, Efap and drinker for what happened to TLJ and ever since, their content and discussions are always what I wait for whenever the latest Star Wars bullshit is released by Disney. I’m actually thankful in a way that Disney Star Wars pissed me off so much that I found an unbridled rage by mauler or else I’d never have found these guys. Appreciate you all, speaking for so many people! Love you guys (no homo)

I don't understand, how does Reva know about Leia? It was literally summed up in a vague line where she says "I found a link in the archives between Kenobi and Organa." Really? How come Vader wouldn't have realised this? You'd think he'd be desperately searching for any leads and would have access to the best intelligence the empire had. Did he just overlook this link? And why would Organa even ask Kenobi? Does he not realise Kenobi is a very wanted man and him being involved could definitely make things worse? They really don't care.

@whiskeyhound

2 жыл бұрын

The link between Kenobi and Organa is probably gonna be that they both knew Amidala, so Vader would know about that and it really wouldn't make any sense to kidnap Leia on the off chance that Organa just happened to still be in contact with some guy he met 10 years ago. Organa getting Kenobi involved is even dumber than just asking him, he radios him and then travels from his planet directly to a random cave on Tattooine that Kenobi's living in, surely nobody would ever find that suspicious.

@rocknroadley8440

2 жыл бұрын

@@whiskeyhound Yeah I guess that's why I'm confused. All these remaining jedi are being slaughtered, Obi Wan doesn't show, yet they think kidnapping Organa's daughter will bring Obi Wan out from hiding.

@whiskeyhound

2 жыл бұрын

@@rocknroadley8440 I'd give up trying to understand it from an in-universe perspective, since the writers are being pretty lazy and cheating, black inquisitor lady knows that kidnapping Leia would draw out Kenobi because the script requires her to know that, despite the script giving no real reason she'd have more insight than Vader into Kenobi's mindset and connections.

@rocknroadley8440

2 жыл бұрын

@@whiskeyhound Exactly, just as ridiculous as her having mind extract powers, something Vader could never use on Leia in 4 🤦‍♂️

It’s fair to say that you should wait for a show to end to judge it as it a whole, or to criticize a character’s arc. But if the character sucks, it sucks. We didn’t need to wait for the end of RotJ and Vader’s redemption to say Vader was a good character. He was a great villain from the first scene. Reva is a horrible villain. Doesn’t matter where the story takes her. In these three episodes, she has been a blight. When writing an arc, you have to be very careful about where you start the character. They have to be appreciated for who they are and what they bring to the story from the get-go, even if that dynamic changes as the story progresses. If you’re going to have a character start off as a criminal and gradually become a “good” guy, you can’t have them do anything unforgivable. They can’t cross the line. As Mauler said in a previous episode, had Vader survived, he would have had to account for everything he’d done. I don’t know that his fate would have been death, considering he was ultimately (and literally) responsible for overthrowing the Emperor, which was demonstrable repentance, but there would still be accountability. (This makes me glad he didn’t survive, because that would have just been an ugly affair any which way you look at it.) So if you want a really nasty bit of business to do something selfless and magnanimous at the end of their life, that’s one thing. But if you want to transform a character an have them go forward with a new life, they can’t be absolute turd muffins, or have some kind of warped ideology that they carry with them. But we know Disney does’t understand morality, and they haven’t hired competent writers who understand that sort of thing. Wanda Vision made it clear that they have no understanding of right and wrong, or accountability. They don’t distinguish between fantasy and reality. Reva, Leia and Kenobi have been insufferable for these three episodes. They didn’t need to be. To quote Han Solo, “No reward is worth this”.

@OsellaSquadraCorse

2 жыл бұрын

To use (and given admittedly a far longer arc) an example: Londo Mollari from Babylon 5, a character can go full villain, but it was shown that he was well-intentioned but misguided and prideful, yet initially 'good' beforehand, making his attempted reversal still sympathetic, despite initiating genocide... That, is how to develop a character. Even a dream premonition inadvertantly turning a character "bad" (e.g. Vader) can be done well (witness Lorgar and Magnus from 30k, hell even Horus & Curze still comes across as sympathetic...) The problem with Vader is that Revenge of the Sith was shit, badly- written appalling dialogue that weakened his character and premise, and has only become worse since. This was the chance to make him a powerful, smart, dominating character; instead of a whiny emo dickless amputee in a robot suit. They needed to play UP the fear factor among his own side, not among the populace. That may yet happen, but based on what's happened in the past 20 years, very little hope of them understanding that. Intimidation comes from competence, not from thrashing weaklings. Vader is a commander, not a petty bully by A New Hope.

@evertonporter7887

2 жыл бұрын

Have they done a Star Trek Picard on Obi-Wan LOL... 🤣 🤣? All this criticism just makes me want to watch it all the more.

@JoshuaKevinPerry

2 жыл бұрын

Except that Lucas film would have forgotten about Vader crimes

Kenobi bot 9s and 10s just passed 800 out of 980 total on Metacritic. The bots just using basic grammatical rewording to say the same four basic things, over and over. It is glorious in how fake it looks, and how desperate they are to pretend their show is good. The most obvious are when they needed a 5 / 10 to maintain the overall score of 8.0 - 8.1 and just used the same basic text "The show is perfect. Vader/Sheva are terrifying. Fills in the gap, and makes you wonder what will happen next with great acting. 5 / 10". I am not kidding. They claim it is the best show ever and then toss a 5 on it. Though it seems they are only posting one text review for every tenth score that they give it, and have started adding new phrases like "lots of references", "ties to canon and legacy". So Disney is really trying to sell these as real, regardless of how easy they are to spot (all Day zero accounts with a single review as well - which you cannot check on RT).

@Szpareq

2 жыл бұрын

lmao I imagined someone being terrified by Reva

@thesaltmerchant4564

2 жыл бұрын

Sheeva lmao that’s so accurate

@thibaldus3

2 жыл бұрын

That's fascinating.

@skylx0812

2 жыл бұрын

Now, will someone please explain how the Yourube bots with the rack & butt pic avatars keep copying someone's post then paste it again and again?

You young kids are very impressive. Drinker and Mauler, you have some very astute analysis of storytelling on your channels. You did a good job of picking up where red letter media left off. U2 Drinker. It’s nice to know that you can practice what you preach. I read one of your books and, and while genre fiction is not really in my milieu, it’s 95% better than everything else out there. You know how to tell a story . I’m surprised you didn’t lean a little more into Trevanian satire.

In reference to actors' eternal youth: Adrenochrome does wonders.

@wakerobin9215

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that too.

Obi wan running away from Vader reminded me of Christopher guest in the princess bride running from the fight.

This drinker gentle sir has such a eloquent way of talking ! Love the vibes from you guys and the Excalibur in your mind that take a good look at these shows, and cuts away the chaff

Really enjoyed this Open Bar, Disparu is great thanks for keeping me company at work

Wow! My first time listening to Open Bar. Great discussions my friends. Keep up the good work. Cheers!

When they brought Hayden & Ewan back, I naively thought they would make something of quality, that was a deep character study. Nope. Here’s the thing, it was dumb, but I thought the hacks at Disney Lucasfilm, might find some “imagination” or “creativity”. I know, these are qualities Disney Lucasfilm just don’t possess. Here’s some examples, of how they could’ve used Hayden & Ewan to tell some deeper and more interesting stories, that it seems they had no interest in doing. Dream Sequences. If you want Obi’s conscious to be tortured, that could be represented by Hayden as Anakin. They could have “conversations of substance”, that give us even greater insight into, get this, Obi-Wan’s “character”. Give Hayden a chance to redeem himself as an actor. Have Obi having a constant rematch, night after night with Hayden’s Anakin, since that’s how Obi would still see him in his mind’s eye. Heck have Obi dream of a different future where Anakin is raising Luke & Leia and he’s visiting them as Uncle Obi, had things gone differently. Written correctly, that could be absolutely heartbreaking. Waking Dreams Have Obi see Hayden’s Anakin while awake, they did this once & so far, with only 2 episodes left have done nothing else with it! They could’ve use this a bunch, perhaps have Obi wonder if he’s losing his mind from guilt or regret or maybe his subconscious or the Force is trying to tell him something? If you ever saw the show “Hannibal”, look at all the creative ways they used surrealism through the characters dreams and waking hallucinations, to tell deeper parts of the story, using the characters subconscious. Flashbacks They could do a few live action “Clone Wars” era scenes, with a little de-aging, instead Ep3 flashbacks, to tell us something about the character and have the theme of the flashback, work into the theme of that episode as a parallel or juxtaposition. Perhaps one with Anakin and a live action Ashoka, where Obi’s seeing Anakin be a mentor, like he was trying to be? A little creativity could go a long way. In order to do this. 1. You’d have to want the Series to be about Obi-Wan, instead of Leia & Reva. 2. The writer would have to care about Obi’s and Anakin’s relationship and make that the heart of the story. I think we all know, there’s NO WAY in HELL, Disney Lucasfilm would ever make a show around 2 White Male characters, even if that’s what they should have done, once they brought Ewan & Hayden back.

41:25 I honestly would have loved it if vader departed from his typical stoic and calm approach and while he was fighting Kenobi at the end of episode 3 just release all of his pent up rage in a massive rant about. Just everything about how "I was your friend and you left me to die" and "its your fault im mechanical monster" because this is the guy who made vader the big badass emotionally damaged and scorched badass he is. More than that kenobi was his master, his friend, his brother in a way and instead of saving him and brining him back to padames ship to at least try and turn him back to light or at least putting him out of his misery he leaves him to die a slow and painful death. I'm just saying there would be a lot of pent up rage and I'm not sure if even vader would keep his cool.

Regarding force users force choking each other, Dukoo does it in Episode III to Kenobi and incapacitates him. Also, Darth Maul force pushes Kenobi twice. The EU explanation in Darth Bane and other stories is that Jedi and Sith can put up protective force shields that prevent each other from using the force on each other. However, if you are strong enough or can break your opponent's concentration, you can rip through their force shield and affect them.

Thanks for introducing us to Disparu! I'm gonna start his wheel of time review as soon as i finish this!

Baby Leia has been using force run the whole series so far.. . idk why ppl think it was only in phantom menace

It's hilarious that Disney pre empted their show with racial gaslighting and every criticism has to do with what they did to Kenobi. I haven't heard a single criticism of the actress they claim they are sheltering. It's all directed at how they last jedi'd Kenobi.

The writers and director of kenobi are so out of their depth is not even funny. I actually had to Google the people making this to see if this was their first job. Fuck this shit. Every D+ show has been terrible. Mando isn’t a masterpiece, but it clearly has talent with genuine love of Star Wars.

@emhu2594

2 жыл бұрын

Mandalorian isn’t good either. It is boring kiddie shit with a helping of extreme violence.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

@@emhu2594 Mandalorian is still better than anything else coming out

Mauler hit the nail on the head, we listen to youse because we watch beloved shows know there’s something wrong but can’t nail down what it is. Thanks.

Drinker: have you seen the KZread fan series "Astartes"? It has better character development, combat, use of "force" powers and somehow dialogue than Obi-Wan... and not a single word is even said

I think this show so far proves the Legends Novel version of his time on Tatooine was a FAR better story.

Since boba Fett show I've been slowly trying to not comment or get Into comment wars with people over how stupid that show was. I was thinking " it's ok I know it's garbage people can like what they like" but then Kenobi happens and it pisses me off that people's standards are so low and they love it. It's people doing Red letter medias rogue one intro but for real! ...it's insane. Go watch the reaction videos. " Ooh he turned in his red lightsaber". I feel like I'm eating crazy pills. It's good I have the open bar so I don't feel alone 😆

@natelax1367

2 жыл бұрын

AT-ST AT-ST I go back and watch that video every once and a while and never fails to make me laugh. Same with the other nerd crew episodes.

@kevinoneil5120

2 жыл бұрын

"I clapped when I saw Darth VAAAAADERRRRRR!"

@-.-.11

2 жыл бұрын

IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!!!!

@kenXtripleI

2 жыл бұрын

And I feel like I'm the crazy one for thinking is show is light years from being anywhere near good when it's really not.

@emuman09

2 жыл бұрын

@@-.-.11 I clapped when he turned in his red lightsaber!

I hope the series ends with Obi Wan having fucked everything up so badly that he has to get plastic surgery to avoid detection and ends up looking like deep fake Alec Guiness.

I can understand if the writers wanted this story to be about Obi-Wan being at the lowest point in his life, overcoming his fears and complete his journey to his old self. But it's executed extremely poorly!

My favorite episode yet. Y'all keep it up.

I’m not as well versed as some in Jedi lore so I may be getting some things wrong, but in a new hope part of Leia’s plea to Obi-Wan is “you helped my father during the clone wars.” The clone wars happened before the events of this series, right? Wouldn’t a more effective plea from Leia be something like “you helped me when I was young.” As a matter of persuasion the more direct connection the better right?

@HooDooBrown

2 жыл бұрын

It's because they're doing their best to ret con previous lore to make sure their crap characters are front and center.

Great point, Disney has purchased an infinite number of science fiction characters and a universe of story plots already written out, but NO they have to change all the plot lines and make sure that the story plots & character lines are the worst written trash since Waterworld. They might as well flush Star Wars in the toilet with what the are doing with the tools they were given.

@Super_Ammo

2 жыл бұрын

Waterworld was a masterpiece, you shut your mouth. XD