“The devil can imitate humility, but he cannot imitate obedience” (St Faustina Kowalska).

@RedWolf5

Жыл бұрын

Obedience to who?

@phetmoz

Жыл бұрын

​@@RedWolf5 to God. That's when he would actually be worshipping and loving God as opposed to loving himself, at which point he would cease to be the devil.

@flowinproductions6416

Жыл бұрын

true but WE can actually, without imitation, obey the devil. especially when we choose to obey teachings that are contrary to what Christ Himself taught, no matter who the human source of that teaching may be, for we all have free will to say and teach evil, even the pope, if he so chooses (i.e. exercises his free will apart from the Holy Spirit).

Yes! As a convert from Protestantism (6 years ago), this is balm to my soul. It breaks my heart when I see Catholics speak like this. I’m not sure if they realize how damaging it truly is.

@yalechuk6714

Жыл бұрын

Fruits of American media culture

@bernardevillaw3410

Жыл бұрын

You CONVERTED to this child rape cult? 330,000 little boys in France were raped by 3,000 catholic pedophile priests, and it barely made the news, because people EXPECT that from catholics. Jesus said child rape was UNFORGIVABLE (Matt 18:6-14), and everyone who supported it will get eternal damnation. That means every single catholic, especially you.

@twitherspoon8954

Жыл бұрын

You know that Jesus is a fictional character, right?

@halleylujah247

Жыл бұрын

​@@twitherspoon8954 I am convinced. Completely destroyed everything I believe because randos comment.🤡

@jenniebars6575

Жыл бұрын

​@@twitherspoon8954 That's laughable! Jesus is God 100% He is The Way the Truth and the Life! Try to prove He is not !!!!!

Thank you Trent for doing this. It hurts my soul when I read comments like this. May God heal the divisions within true church.

As someone who would identify as a “Traditionalist” I could not agree more with this video. Thank you Trent!

Trent, absolutely killed it in this episode. You're doing an amazing job. I used to be very close to sedevecantism and now I'm glad to have turned from that. The Catholics that are uncharitable to the Pope are great soldiers for Protestantism and Orthodoxy

@annefranciselizabeth3840

Жыл бұрын

There is no way out of the dilemma except a return to the sola Scriptura recovered by the true Church during the glorious Reformation. I am almost certain that this so-called "Catholic" youtuber believes in his heart of hearts that Francis is not a true Pope. But were he to admit it publicly, the human-made superstructure of Romanism would collapse. Romanism is far more fractious than the Churches of the Reformation. There are nearly as many "RC Orthodoxies" as there are Roman Catholics. Why? Like the Bible, "the Catechism"/"the Canon Laws" of the RCC must also be interpreted. In their attempt to enforce man-made uniformity, the heedless Romanists replaced a divine book with a human distillate of the same. But unlike the Bible, only very few doctrines in "the Catechism" have ever been infallibly defined (such as the Assumption) so most of its stipulations are mere pius opinions (since they may be wrong). Therefore, literarily every Romanist has his/her private orthodoxy. I know many Romanists who have declared the Pope an anti-Pope or a "Protestant Pope" simply because they disagree with the Pope's NON-DOGMATIC OPINION on some aspect of the "Catechism!" There is far more unity of doctrine between the CLASSICAL forms of the major branches of the Reformed Churches (Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, etc) than amongst the confusing array of Romanist contortions. Each RC denomination (Mainline, Montinian, Sedevacantist, SSPV, SSPX, Conclavist, Lefebvrist, Catholic Restoration, Sedeprivationist, Ultramontanist, Semi-traditionalist, Concilarist, Neo-ultramontanist, Novus Ordo Catholic, Catholic Liberal, Extraordinary Formist, Opus Dei, Divine Mercy cultists, etc, etc) seems to make up its own "Catholic Truth" on the go. Ironically, it is easier to know what a Reformed denomination believes than to pin down RCs to anything. I do not (yet) know any Baptists who believe that the President of the Baptist Convention is an unsaved heretic. But there is a vibrant army of zealous RCs online screaming that all Popes since Paul VI (some even add John the XXIII for good measure) are damned heretics and false prophets!! What can be more confusing? I repeat - the Churches of the Reformation agreed on major points of doctrine. Anglicans did not believe that Lutherans were heretics whereas many RC denominations believe the Pope himself to be a heretic. The trick of referring to every non-Roman Church as "Protestant" is fallacious. How can a sect formed in Poland in 1998 by a former Romanist be called "Protestant"? This linguistic farce has gotten so bad that there are now millions of Romanists who actually believe that Pope Francis is "Protestant". But if all the Churches formed by former Methodists are linked back to Methodism as "Protestant" then surely all denominations founded by former Romanists should continue to be linked with Romanism. Nothing stops the Orthodox Church from lumping all non-Orthodox Churches (including the RCC) together and giving them one name - say, "the Heterodox" - and then pointing out that "Heterdodox sects" are doctrinally confused. Baptists can play the same disingenuous linguistic game by lumping every non-Baptist (including Romanists) under one name (e.g. "Paedo-baptists") so as to "prove" that only Baptists are coherent! What people find so attractive about Romanism (namely, its consistency) is an illusion.

@greg28

7 ай бұрын

Love your insta vids!

Finished it, solid episode. The less rooted you are in history, the more likely you are to be demoralized by current times.

Right now, unfortunately, it's very trendy in Catholic circles who call Pope Francis "Bergoglio." At that point we're no better than Jack Chick disciples. Then we become Latin-speaking protestants.

@djo-dji6018

Жыл бұрын

It's not inappropriate to call a Pope by his second name. The problem are the tone and the intentions of those people who use the word 'Bergoglio' as an offence.

@bernardevillaw3410

Жыл бұрын

Catholics are a child raep cult no matter what you say. 330,000 little boys in France were raped by 3,000 catholic pedophile priests, and it barely made the news, because people EXPECT that from catholics. Jesus said child rape was UNFORGIVABLE (Matt 18:6-14), and everyone who supported it will get eternal damnation. That means every single catholic.

@KristiLEvans1

Жыл бұрын

@@djo-dji6018 and as an outsider, it would be ‘Pope Bergoglio’, no?

@canibezeroun1988

Жыл бұрын

I don't even address my former Charismatic pastor by his first name alone. The title shows respect to God because this person acts as a father to an ecclesiasial community.

@LostArchivist

Жыл бұрын

It is apparently not unusual in Europe to do just in ordinary day-to-day parlance

This is a great video. Recently, I made some traditional Catholic content which got some attention and falls under a lot of criticism you’re bringing up. And after reflecting on it for the past month, I really have to agree that rebelling against your own Church is a ridiculous thing to do (especially when the Church you’re rebelling against is the one Jesus established). Yes, the Pope and the Bishops have made imprudent decisions. And lay people don’t have to like every decision the Church makes. But it is a FACT that you have to submit to the Church (barring obvious exceptions). And consistently rebelling against the Church in such a public manner scandalizes others who are thinking of converting.

@troymazzei5976

Жыл бұрын

Love your content and your prudence, too many conservative voices have become radicalized.

@nicholasweaver2374

17 күн бұрын

Dude, I love your Sedevacantism Refuted video!

Living in San Diego, I needed to hear this today. This topic has been troubling me the last few days and I decided to pray for our bishop this morning in Mass. Your video is a timely confirmation.

Thanks for doing this video. I'm sure you'll get pushback from some. I'm a Lutheran converting to Catholicism and this is what I am trying to escape - constant squabbling and negativity which is a Protestant mindset, IMHO.

New videos from Trent AND Laura in ONE DAY?? WOW!

Personal attacks on the Clergy should never be encouraged by anybody. But the error in the teachings should be refuted no matter who spoke it

@gabismom77

Жыл бұрын

Exactly 💯

@bernardevillaw3410

Жыл бұрын

HILARIOUS. 330,000 little boys in France were raped by 3,000 catholic pedophile priests, and it barely made the news, because people EXPECT that from catholics. Your clergy runs the world's largest child rape cult, and you don't think they shoudl be questioned. Jesus said child rape was UNFORGIVABLE (Matt 18:6-14), and everyone who supported it will get eternal damnation. That means every single catholic. However, you laugh in the face of Jesus.

@cbooth151

Жыл бұрын

@@gabismom77 How do you feel about Catholic clergymen who sexually molest children?

@gerry30

Жыл бұрын

Unless of course, the personal attacks are attacking the personal and public scandals committed by clergy. As an extreme example: If someday a gay Pope steps out onto the Loggia and starts kissing his lover in full view of the gathered faithful and the whole world via media. Should the faithful just stand there and express their personal disappointment but it's really his business what he does and since he hasn't bound the faithful to an error of faith and morals I guess we should just do whatever he says.

@hyeminkwun9523

Жыл бұрын

Blessed Mother is telling us "to be alert and do not be deceived by False Magisterium." Magisterium is Pope, Vicar of Christ, and Bishops united with Him. Therefore False Magisterium means false pope and bishops united with him. This is another confirmation that the one in charge now is the false one and we should not follow him, but follow those Bishops who uphold and teach ages-old Catholic Dogmas and Traditions, because after the passing of Benedict XVI, we do not have True Pope with us now. When the Church is purified after Schism (separating from the false ones), we will have the last Pope in St. Malachy's prophecy -- 'Peter, the Roman, who will guide the Church through the persecutions of the Antichrist and his followers.

While I was going through my RCIA - the instructor was always saying that the world had change, and for that reason the Church couldn’t be rigid like it was - 😡 I always refuted her saying “the world must conform to the Church, Ma’am not the other way around” thank God I only went to RCIA because it was the only way for me to enter Mother church and not to find information otherwise I would have been very confused! I find that Pope Francis, in many respects, is just like my RCIA instructor

@sleepystar1638

Жыл бұрын

If it’s not in line with tradition, you don’t have to believe it. The church doesn’t change it’s a Vatican 1 anathema.

@flowinproductions6416

Жыл бұрын

For the Church to change for the world literally goes against Scripture.

In my humble opinion: we ought to respect the Pope and bishops in their authority, and when we want to criticise them we must remember their role and the rule of charity. Criticism is important, but almost always is equally important to dole it in the right and gentle way. It is really sad when they refuse to even call Jorge Bergoglio the Pope.

@nathanstrik5904

Жыл бұрын

He is the Pope, but an objectively bad one. He is a globalist and says apostates like Joe Biden are “in good standing”.

@MegaVega2007

Жыл бұрын

we can rebuke them if they do wrong, just as Paul rebuked Peter. but you are right, we have to remember their authority and respect it. Bishops do not suddenly lose their authority when we disagree with them.

@kinghoodofmousekind2906

Жыл бұрын

@@MegaVega2007 yes, I wholly agree :)

@bernardevillaw3410

Жыл бұрын

The ONLY thing that links the cahtolic church to Jesus is if you believe in popes, which was nonsense to start with. If you don't believe in popes, then you're just a child rape cult. If you do believe in popes, you're still a child rape cult that hopes that God loves a series of popes more than God loves children.

@carmenanico2786

Жыл бұрын

​@Ribguy101 wholly agree, 2:24 2:29 too

Laudetur Jesus Christ! Well said, Trent. Thank you for addressing this issue. Keep up your incredible work. May God bless you and your family.

I converted five years ago. I stood in front of the church and agreed to obey the Bishop. I see Catholics acting like protestants when they decide for themselves what church teaching to accept or reject. They set themselves as authorities above the Bishop. This saddens me deeply. As Christians we are not a collection of individuals, but instead a People. Paul told the Roman's to make of themselves (plural) a living sacrifice (singular). In Ephesians 2, we as individuals are part of a household being built together into a dwelling place (singular) of God. If I understand correctly, at Mass, we as Catholics offer up a singular sacrifice and the priest presents it on our (collective) behalf. I suspect we can go too far with our personal, private prayers and devotions. Starting with Abraham, God built the Israel children into His chosen People. He led them out of Slavery as a People. When they misbehaved, He judged them as a People. They went into slavery as a People. They returned and rebuilt Jerusalem as a People. I am afraid we have learned from or Protestant brothers and sisters that we are each free agents who will be saved or damned as "me and Jesus" free agents. As Catholics we must remember that we are a single body.

@lois2997

Жыл бұрын

@@_ready__ staring your trolling already, what is the matter with you. Protestantism is a mental illness

@halleylujah247

Жыл бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏 This is a great!

Thank you for this! I came into the Church a year ago after 4 long years trying to untangle the many Protestant traditions I was raised in. When I see fellow Catholics behave this way I can’t help but think wow you sound like a Protestant. I’ve lived that life and the grass isn’t greener. Whenever I see something troubling I ask where else shall I go? And pray for the Pope or Bishop, because at the end of the day either Catholicism is true and we stick it out faithfully, or it’s not.

@HarperJay_

Жыл бұрын

@@_ready__ one must be baptized and obey God. A quick look at your previous replies on other videos it seems as though you’re not interested in listening. I’m a faithful catholic. I hold the church teaching. If you’re asking only for the sole purpose of being obnoxious I won’t engage any further.

@LostArchivist

Жыл бұрын

@@_ready__ Key question is, what do you mean by attain?

@LostArchivist

Жыл бұрын

@@_ready__ God provides the grace and the means, He paid the price and offers us to journey home with Him until death and should we slip or turn from Him, He again offers and if we agree, comes and picks us up again. This rejection is by sin and reconciliation by repentance and indeed sacramental confession because whether in mercy or judgement, every sin must be brought before God`s tribunal for arbitration. Certainly if one perfectly repents out of purely love fot God and sorrow for offending Him, He will forgive, but not coming to Him through the arbitration means He has established, if one can, shows a contempt for His Kingship and that one is not willing to do what one can in love for Him. Or taken by another metaphor, The Divine Physician operates in His way not simply as however we desire. He will triage you if you come, but a full surgery to remove the tumor fully is necessary. The Physician shall either see us with His attendant to heal you, or at the end to declare you spiritually deceased. Apart from God and His grace, we can do nothing, but we must act accordingly and continually consent, God will not force us to stay with Him against our will, God is no kidnapper. Once in His grace, indeed we can do good, but only because of His grace, not because we are suddenly in our own natures increased. If we knowingly refuse God, we can do nothing as we are apart from Him and His Sacrifice. In short, we are in the desert making our Great Exodus, Christ is the New Moses, and the New Aaron, apart from Him and those He chooses, we die in the spiritual desert. However if your question is regarding a certain Commandment, that is a different matter requiring its own response. Remember, if you hate your brother, you commit murder in your heart. God bless you, through Jesus Christ Our Blesser Lord and Savior, Who is the Divine Justice, Divine Wisdom, and Divine Mercy, Who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, our Eternal King and Great High Priest. Amen.

@gerry30

Жыл бұрын

@@_ready__ Hey! Why'd you run away from the other thread and start posting your same old errors again as if you didn't get put on the spot? Ready to explain how the scriptures got here or not? 😉

@gerry30

Жыл бұрын

@@_ready__ Again, you ignore the clarification of terms. Why are you capitalizing "ATTAIN"? Your definition is probably different from the Church true definition. I asked you if an unrepentent sinner could go to Heaven and you ran away from that question. You also never told me who it is that told you the books of the Bible are Divinely Inspired.

Well said. Glad I found your channel. My problem with the present hierarchy is not what is said and done, but what is not said and not done. They seem to have lost all interest in correcting blatant heresy and in publicly admonishing notorious public sinners who claim to be members of the Church.

I converted to catholicism as an adult, and I sometime have problems justifying these things to others. I am supposed to submit to the authority of the church but when I hear or see the Pope or bishops say or do things that are so obviously not in line with the tradition or teachings of the church.. for example even entertaining the thought of blessing same sex relationships. Am I not allowed to criticize that? Can I not understand basic rights and wrongs of the Christian faith as a layman? I'm tried of being accused of cognitive dissonance when I say I believe in the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church but have to excuse or defend Pope/Bishops/Priests who are saying things that are clearly not Catholic.

@theKKfighters1

Жыл бұрын

Well said, and this is one of my issues as well. We can understand right and wrong from the teachings of the Church and from the Bible, yet when a Pope or Bishop says something that is contradictory to official teachings, then we aren’t allowed to criticize? I understand that they are not speaking infallibly all the time, but they are supposed to know the teachings of the church and even if they aren’t speaking infallibly they still shouldn’t contradict teaching. Also, at what point does a Pope or Bishop say enough things that are contrary to teachings that we are then allowed to say that they should no longer be a part of the Magisterium? I’m sure that laity in the Catholic Church are not allowed to challenge a Pope over what he says, but if the rest of the Magisterium refuses to do so, then what are the laity supposed to do? Just continue to say “The Pope is incorrect about this according to Church teaching, but he’s not speaking infallibly so its all good”?

@Mrs_Homemaker

Жыл бұрын

It seems our option is to sit down a shut up. Or at least that's how we are made to feel. I can only excuse so many airplane interviews before my protestant family is going to start rolling their eyes.

@Ark_bleu

Жыл бұрын

Why we ask a question often matters more than the answer. When progressives begin a discussion about tradition, they’ve already made up their minds on what they’re gong to do. Yet this principle also applies to us I think. When we argue with a single Church leader-instead of looking deeper at Church history, sometimes our minds are made up. There’s a wealth of reading and doctrine to contradict the misguided actions of progressive bishops. Enough to root us against small storms. So in a way “sit down and shut up” is the right course for us., But instead I’d say: “ *read up* -and steer others to the library”. For instance, Regarding same sex marriage issue, a thorough examination of the issue is Unchanging Witness by Gram and Fortston. They’re not Catholic but their research carefully dismantles the recent arguments by progressive Christians about the ancient world.

Thank you Trent! I have been discerning catholicism and this bothers me. I'm a bit hung up on the papacy because of the way people treat the novus ordo, the pope, etc. People like you being honest and restating what Catholics believe have helped me.

@katrinagiovanni891

Жыл бұрын

As a newer convert, I was nearly lead down a path of despair because of all the disparaging commentary on the pope and the Novus Ordo mass, particularly on KZread. I have a wonderful and wise priest (convert) and attend a reverent Novus Ordo mass every Sunday. I thank God in my prayers every night for the amazing priests He has placed in my life to learn from and for our pope, our church and the unity of all Christian's 🙏❤

@steelytemplar

Жыл бұрын

May God bless and guide your discernment, brother. I hope one day celebrate your coming home to the Church. But, whatever happens, may God's blessings be with you. I would like to testify this from my own experience: I have attended Masses of in both the Ordinary ("Novus Ordo") and Extraordinary ("Tridentine", "Latin", or "TLM") Forms. In that experience, I have seen Masses of great beauty and solemnity in both forms. I have also seen uninspiring Masses, though they were still holy by the presence of Our Lord in the Eucharist, in both forms. It really comes down to the way in which it is celebrated. "Novus Ordo" Masses can have full choirs singing majestic music, the use of incense, and the inclusion of things like saying the Rosary pre-Mass or the St. Michael Prayer after Mass. Nothing prevents such pious practices and others in a "Novus Ordo" Mass. Nor, indeed, are those the only ways that a Mass can be celebrated with solemnity. I hope that you can take heart from this that the Mass being celebrated in most cases is not lacking or to be looked down upon.

@benclark1482

Жыл бұрын

@@steelytemplar thank you for sharing your experience. I have kind of come to realize that you can make the novus ordo beautiful and reverent. I think it is harder to make a bad Latin maybe because it has so many guard rails, but I think I now see that the novus ordo just gives people more freedom to express themselves as they see appropriate

As a Catholic, I’ve been waiting for this one. Should probably do a “when Catholics argue like atheists,” too

“we don’t have to agree with their opinions beyond faith and morals.” Respectfully, Trent, there are instances where we don’t have to agree with their personal opinions ON faith and morals either. I agree we need to be respectful but there are also bishops spreading false views and teachings related to faith and morality.

Thank you, Trent. Really great video.

thank you trent! as someone who recently has come back to the Church the claims of an antipope and illegitimate Church authority has created a lot of worry in me that i’m on the right path

Thank you, Trent, for such a reasonable, well-thought out and well-researched discussion on a crucial issue. I love how you brought in the Vatican Council… with a surprise! Fundamentally, the question is: To Be Obedient or Not To Be Obedient.

Thank you, Trent! We all could use a bit of introspection and charity.

I’m an FSSP parishioner. I’ve never heard our pastor or any of our other priests ever speak badly about the Holy Father. The most I’ve ever heard is them literally saying “we need to pray for the pope” because of the potential for the mass to be restricted. That’s it. I think they’ve honestly been more critical of the bishop but only for just reasons, like when our bishop wasn’t allowing any masses or confessions during covid, the pastor spoke out against that, which I think is fine. He didn’t do it in a disrespectful way. I think this comes down to the poison of social media and summed up by my pastor in this way: “Social media is not even neutral. It’s a net negative. You all need to stay off social media because it’s just feeding you fear, anger and anxiety. Stop following these talking heads on the internet who say crazy things. Stop watching the negative news about what’s happening in the church. What you need to do is come to mass, say your rosaries, and stay in unity with Holy Mother Church.”

@Jerds

Жыл бұрын

I think a lot of these people are SSPXers or sympathize with the SSPX and have bought into their talking points. We had people at our parish that left for the SSPX and from what I heard, these were the more radical anti-pope Francis people. Our pastor warned people too about leaving and that it’s schism. But they dipped. We recently had a couple that argued with my buddy about the sspx and another priest had to shut them down. He laid it out why they’re wrong on V2, why they’re wrong on the pope, and why they’re wrong on the SSPX. Told them that they don’t have licit sacraments or orders and have no jurisdiction to do anything. That they are truly a schismatic group. I was so proud of him when he did that. Cause some priests just aren’t courageous or knowledgeable enough to do that. So props to him.

@asrieldreemurr6886

Жыл бұрын

@@Jerds the SSPX are not in schism, this is an insidious lie.

@DigitalLogos

Жыл бұрын

The types he's addressing are more in line with the SSPX or even sedevacantists. Those comments are the same rhetoric I would always see (and disseminate myself, mea culpa) in those circles.

@AbdielGonzalez-in4zv

Жыл бұрын

I’m a SSPX parishioner, it was my first parish after my conversion from protestantism 8 months ago. I have your same experience, never heard that rhetoric on my parish and less from our priest. We pray for the pope, and he teaches us about the Church and pope’s authority. I think social media and YT is feeding a uncharitable hatred among catholics and creating this dialectical war with labels like “trads”, “radtrad”, “sspx” etc. It’s sad that the fact that mentioning that someone is from the SSPX can trigger a lot of prejudices in peoples minds about a fellow catholic. It’s sad… but I pray that this would end soon, and the Church settles this issue. Maybe getting off social media and just having a coffee with a catholic brother from the “other side” can make people see that there are more reasons to be one.

@Jerds

Жыл бұрын

@@AbdielGonzalez-in4zv that’s very interesting. We had some parishioners leave for the sspx and since then I’ve only met a couple. You’re the only person I’ve seen online who has said this about their parish! Must be unique. Praying for full unity if the church and reconciliation of the Holy See and the Society. Pray for your bishops cause I know they’re divided on this

As someone who has been angry with the bishops and Pope at times, this was important for me to hear. I believe the Holy Spirit sanctioned this message. Thank you Trent.

Thank you so much. It's one of the main reasons I dropped social media and mostly stoped reading YT comments.

We had a 40days for life campaign close to an „Old Catholic“ Church in Switzerland. The leading priest was strongly against us! So sad.

❤ this video. Thank you Mr. Horn.

Thank you for speaking up on this, this is a real big problem right now

Thank you Trent. A much needed clarification and warning to those Catholics who behave in this way. My Mass and the Eucharist are my life and that is what matters to me. I pray for guidance for our Holy Father Pope Francis, our Clergy and laity. “Love one another as I have loved you” 🙏

I appreciate this video Trent. As someone who attends the TLM, uncharitable rhetoric isn't uncommon. I try to avoid the finer points of Church politics, but I do sympathize with Catholics that are angry with the hierarchy. The timid leadership and consistent ambiguity are a source of real scandal. It's especially damaging when trying to evangelize conservative Protestants. Even if you effectively convey the beauty and truth of the Catholic faith, many are simply unwilling to step under the authority of a pope who seems more concerned with climate change than biblical morality.

@Mrs_Homemaker

Жыл бұрын

Yep. My protestant family could not understand why I would convert under the current pope. They constantly come to me with questions about why he said this or that. I can only say "maybe he was mistranslated" so many times.

@BrewMeister27

Жыл бұрын

@@Mrs_Homemaker My brother left the Catholic faith to join a conservative Protestant church. He had never really taken ownership of his Catholic faith so I don't think it was mainly about theological issues. He's strong in his faith for Christ and even agrees with Catholic teachings on things like contraception. But every time I bring up the topic of the Catholic faith, he expresses his concerns about Pope Francis. What am I supposed to say? That the Vicar of Christ, capable of infallible teaching, doesn't need to be a strong defender of orthodoxy?

@fury_blade9303

Жыл бұрын

@@BrewMeister27 Pope Francis isn’t actively teaching heresy though (I’m sure if he did I would know about it), and if he were invalid, he would be teaching heresy. Despite what he does personally, he is not contradicting from his place of authority the teachings of the church. That, if anything, should be a testament to the power of the position.

@BrewMeister27

Жыл бұрын

@@fury_blade9303 I'm not accusing him of openly teaching heresy or being invalid. I'm accusing him of committing the sin of scandal. And that's a very serious sin because it turns people away from the faith. People like my brother. Pope Francis has a habit of making vague, off the cuff remarks. The media then interpret and report them in the most left-wing context. But then Pope Francis never comes out to correct the record. When his "who am I to judge?" comment was reported as approval for gay marriage, he allowed that characterization to stand. He never released a response forcefully condemning the LGBT agenda. And repeated incidences like this have allowed the public to believe the Catholic Church is tolerant of heretical beliefs. And that scandalizes the conservative protestants that would otherwise be interested in the Catholic faith.

@user-ki2vh1uc5k

2 ай бұрын

I think many Catholics are tired of the Pope talking about Climate Change. At times, he seems more like a politician than a Pope. I certainly miss John Paul 2.

It's sad that this needs to be said..but it does! These self righteous channels seem to be multiplying. We all could name a few..but they know who they are. Lead us not into temptation..but deliver us from evil. 🙏

Thank you Trent! Excellent video. I appreciate you addressing this topic since anyone who frequently looks up Catholic content on KZread is likely to come across those who are too harsh with our clergy. Channels like yours and Michael Lofton's do a good job explaining the nuance of our faith without overindulging in one position or another.

This helped a lot Trent. God bless you!

St. Pius X also stated that the faithful in the early 20th century could not be assured of an imprimatur or nihil obistat being trustworthy. In Pascendi he stated outright that the enemies of the Church extended into the ranks of the priesthood itself.

This was an amazing video Trent. Thank you! ✝️♥️

Great video, Trent, great arguments, it is much needed today. 💪

Much needed video

In reading about various saints like Padre Pio, they all shared in common their obedience and deference to all superior clergy as is required by the vows they take. We would do well to imitate them.

Thank you Trent Horn. This was very informative and very needed. God bless!

this was very much needed. Thank you!

Thank YOU, Trent!

Great video! There are too many Catholics veering to the left or to the right instead of following the very narrow path that leads definitively to Christ Jesus. "Make straight your path!"

Thank you so much for this video. These times are very confusing times and its nice to hear some historical points about it. Lots of prayers for understanding and charity need to be made. God bless.

This video is so important. Thank you.

Great show. Totally agree. I always just think to myself, if I find I am getting caught up in the critical commenting on the actions or decisions of the Bishops or the Pope, it's above my pay grade and if Christ called me to a role of judging the hierarchy He would have done so. I remain fully obedient with the comfort that Christ has the Church under control....and we are commanded to do what He asks. It's actually the way to peace in your life when you give everything over to Christ including your worries and concerns.... I pray more people realize this....God is good, all the time

The problem is that the Pope and bishops undermine their own authority by distancing themselves from the very Tradition that affirms this authority. In the times like today we need the stability of Tradition more than ever.

Well presented and argued, Trent. Thank you!

Fantastic Response! God Bless you and your family Trent

Thank you for this Trent. It is definitely an ongoing issue I hear. We should be praying for Pope Francis, Cardinals, bishops, priests and all clergy instead of hating and rejecting them. They NEED our prayers.

Loving the videos Trent. It has me rethinking catholicism

I cannot tell you how helpful this video was for me. ❤️✝️ Glory to God! You’re doing good works, Trent.

Thank you Trent. I very much enjoyed thia video.

When I listen to my fellow Catholics disrespect the Pope, Bishops and priests these words of St. Catherine of Siena on disrespecting the clergy, that be priests, bishops and the Pope come to mind: "For this reason no one has excuse to say, "I am doing no harm, nor am I rebelling against holy Church. I am simply acting against the sins of evil pastors." Such persons are deluded, blinded as they are by their own selfishness. They see well enough, but they pretend not to see so as to blunt the pricking of conscience. If they would look, they could see that they are persecuting not these ministers, but the blood. It is me they assault, just as it was me they reverenced. To me redounds every assault they make on my ministers: derision, slander, disgrace, abuse. Whatever is done to them I count as done to me. For I have said and I say it again: No one is to touch my christs. It is my right to punish them, and no one else's. . "But this other is a sin committed directly against me. Other sins have some pretext; they are committed with some excuse, with some middle ground-for I told you that every sin as well as every virtue is realized through your neighbors. Sin is committed through lack of charity for God and your neighbors, and virtue is practiced out of the warmth of charity. If you sin against your neighbors you sin against me through them." Therefore I tell you, if all the other sins these people have committed were put on one side and this one sin on the other, the one would weigh more in my sight than all the others. I have shown you this so that you would have more reason to grieve that I am offended and these wretched souls damned, so that the bitter sorrow of you and my other servants by my kind mercy might dissolve the great darkness that has come over these rotten members who are cut off from the mystic body of holy Church. But I find hardly anyone who will grieve over the persecution that is waged against this glorious precious blood, while there are many who persecute me constantly with the arrows of disordered love and slavish fear and self-conceit. Blind as they are, they count as honor what is shameful, and as shame what is honorable, that is, to humble themselves before their head.”

The timing of this video could not be better for me. About a year ago I started watching KZread videos by Trent Horn and Dr. Taylor Marshall and started taking a second look at Catholicism. The debates that Trent had were just incredible. He was so well prepared. I thought wow what a champion for Catholicism. With Dr. Taylor Marshall, I thought whoa this guy does the Our Father in Latin? That's pretty serious. But the episodes I really enjoyed of his was when he had Timothy J Gordon on and that's when my reversion really kicked in because I had never heard a Catholic talk the way Tim did. Quite frankly, he made it sound cool for someone like me. A lot of apologists for the faith are very measured in their tone and there's nothing wrong with that, it's just Tim has a passionate flair that really resonated with me. During the past year I've consumed a lot of Catholic content including Pints with Aquinas, Reason & Theology and others. But the two guys that I check in on with any consistency and the only two I am a Patron for are Trent and Tim. So it's really bothered me to hear Tim go further and further down the road of schism where he calls Francis Pope but then proceeds to trash him incessantly. The most recent video with him and Patrick Coffin I couldn't even finish, comparing the Hope is Fuel debacle to things like the Vietnam War or the mob shouting "Free Barabbas." It's one thing to resist cancel culture but something else entirely to act with no accountability and embrace hyperbolic victimhood. The cognitive dissonance for not connecting what is happening to them personally and what they've criticized others for is truly disappointing. I've also quit listening to most Catholic podcasters who exalt the TLM and trash the Novus Ordo. I attend both liturgies and treat both as valid celebrations of the Eucharist. Therefore, I am so grateful for this video that clearly demonstrates what is happening today is neither new, correct, or the worst. Thank you Trent and God bless, this has been extremely helpful for me personally.

Thank you Trent. I’ve been saying this and it needs to be said.

Thank you Trent. God bless you and your mission.

Great point about the authority of the Catholic Church! Many are confused by the current situation and throw the baby out with the bath water. We should be faithful children of the Roman Catholic Church and live our faith within the confines of what the Church allows. Obedience can be difficult to discern but is necessary to belong to our hierarchical Church.

Thank you

Trent, you are my favorite Catholic apologist. Thank you for your content and most especially for your rebuttal videos...those are very interesting. I love your charitable approach to all these subjects. I wish I could get you to come to New Hampshire to do a lecture. God bless you and your ministry!

Thanks for this Trent!

What's interesting is that I only come across this type of criticism online and I've been attending a fssp for years now

Do the bishops regularly address the semantic shift that is one of the main problems today? On the contrary it seems they mostly acquiesce to new definitions: when you see them use words like "love" they mostly seem to use it in the contemporary sense as if Christianity is a hippie religion. So in some ways things are not as bad (Francis is not as liberal as most think, the conservative trend in fertility and young priests, etc), but at the same time we have the seemingly intractable evolution of culture with is very dynamic and chaotic

excellent video as always

Thank you for sharing..very helpful and giving very good advises...

I think it's more than a bit of a false equivalency to say that because some minority broke away when the Church declared something dogmatic, is the same as saying that a non-infallible Council that leads to enormous confusion and damage in which the current hierarchy actually declares that the Church adopted a "New Theology." And this is in direct opposition to the previous pontificate. Add to that an ever growing number of Catholics who resist as the hierarchy continues down a path the pre-conciliar Popes absolutely emphatically warned us about. The fact is the Church hierarchy and the faithful were correct on Vatican I and the Church hierarchy was wrong on Vatican II because they didn't "need" the protection of the Holy Ghost. That alone betrays an ill intent. And it was Cardinal Ratzinger that wrote not too long afterwards that not all Councils in the history of the Church produced good fruit, some of them just turned out to be a waste of time. And before I forget, it should be pointed out that Vatican I actually put a damper on Papal Infallibility. The Neo-Ultramontanists were pushing for absolute indiscriminate infallibility of the Pope. And that problem actually continued up beyond Vatican II into the papacy of John Paul II when people were unwilling to be objective about his papacy and the Catholic faith bent to his personal opinions according to the "overly enthusiastic" supporters he had.

@RedWolf5

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I agree with you, Trent is comparing apples to oranges, he built a subtle straw man that’s hard to trace but is there.

@shepherdson6189

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Are you saying that councils can be a hit or miss thing? That the church was guided in Vatican 1 and not with Vatican 2 with over 2,000 bishops in attendance? And to think that councils were convened by the church those who were supposedly guided were not, and the ones enlightened are these lay youtubers, lay people giving their own intepretation of Vatican 2? These kind of mindset is exactly what Trent is discussing in this video. This is exactly what happens if we think we know better than the magisterium of the church. I Thank God He gave us this ecclesiology, as imperfect it may be. Because without one, we surely would have gone beyond chaos and would have not survived 2,000 years with all the different voices claiming they are right.

@RedWolf5

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@@shepherdson6189 you ignore many facts. You should look into the speech Annibale Bugnini said to the committee that wrote Sacrosantum Concilium then you’ll understand the real issue here. This is not a conspiracy theory the documents exist but those like Trent will never dare to speak about this freely. The 2000 bishops you mentioned were technically duped and many have said over the years that they never imagined Vat-2 would turnout this way.

@gerry30

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@@shepherdson6189 I would suggest that you relax and entertain the possibility that the teaching of the Church is more nuanced than you currently understand it. Better to know this now than get shocked when the history of the Church decimates the more gilded image promoted by some. Regarding the hit or miss character of some Councils, I'm not the one saying it. The Church has always taught this. There is a tendency among all groups but especially among non-traditional "conservative" Catholics to avoid nuance when it comes to understanding the levels of Magisterial weight that are invoked. (The Magisterium is also not a group of men, it is a power that is utilized by the holders of the office of bishop in union with the office of the papacy ) As an aside, You do also realize you are citing a lay KZreadr to reinforce your condemnation of lay KZreadrs? it's the very people that officiated and participated at Vatican II that stated that it was a "hit or miss" thing because of the deliberate minimal level of authority they in union with the Pope were invoking. “Not every valid council in the history of the Church has been a fruitful one; in the last analysis, many of them have been a waste of time. Despite all the good to be found in the texts it produced, the last word about the historical value of Vatican Council II has yet to be spoken. If, in the end, it will be numbered among the highlights of Church history depends on those who will transform its words into the life of the Church.” Josef Cardinal Ratzinger Principles of Catholic Theology 1987 The Second Vatican Council has not been treated as a part of the entire living Tradition of the Church, but as an end of Tradition, a new start from zero. The truth is that this particular Council defined no dogma at all, and deliberately chose to remain on a modest level, as a merely pastoral council; and yet many treat it as though it had made itself into a sort of superdogma which takes away the importance of all the rest. But since the Council was aiming primarily at a pastoral orientation and hence refrained from making dogmatically binding statements or disassociating itself, as previous Church assemblies have done, from errors and false doctrines by means of clear anathemas, many questions took on an opalescent ambivalence which provided a certain amount of justification for those who speak of the spirit of the Council. Josef Cardinal Ratzinger Address to Chilean Bishops. July 1988 “John XXIII yearned for a Council that would achieve the renewal of the Church not through condemnations, but using the ‘medicine of mercy.’ By abstaining from reproving error, the Council would by this very means avoid formulating definite teachings that would be binding for all. And in fact, it held consistently to this initial direction.” Giacomo Cardinal Biffi; Memories and Digression of an Italian Cardinal 2007 “In view of the pastoral nature of the Council, it avoided any extraordinary statements of dogmas endowed with the note of infallibility, but it still provided its teaching with the authority of the Ordinary Magisterium which must be accepted with docility according to the mind of the Council concerning the nature and aims of each document.” Pope Paul VI General Audience January 12 1966 There are many, many more positions and citations by "non-lay KZreadrs" if you want more evidence. And in the history of Church we have things like Lateran VI decreeing that Jews and Muslims must be forced to wear special garb that will distinguish them from the Christians. The Holy Spirit wasn't behind that. It's a sociologically bad idea even back then. It was universally ignored by the Church.

@shepherdson6189

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@@gerry30 There's a big difference between Trent Horn and those I consider as lay youtubers. No doubt he's a lay youtuber himself, a Catholic apologist but the difference is, he's not critical of the Pope, Vatican 2 and the Novus Ordo. Trent is educating while other dissenting lay Catholic youtubers creates confusion among the faithfuls by being overly critical of the church leadership, Vatican 2 and the NO placing them in a bad light. It is hurting the body of Christ more than anything else. You're quotes doesn't necessarily mean they give the right nuances about what Vatican 2 is to think it is in error or prone to error. At best they just honestly differentiated Vatican 2 as pastoral while Vatican 1 is dogmatic in nature and binding. Both have the guidance of the Holy Spirit, one regarding faith and morals the other regarding Christian response in the secular world. Reading those quotes other than what it, in all honesty, means is a misrepresentation of those persons you quoted because they did not, even in the slightest, indicated that Vatican 2 have erred. The church convened in Vatican 2, wether it is pastoral in nature, we as Catholics have to trust the Church with the promise of guidance promised to her.

I know this will alarm some people here, and maybe even make people reply to me in anger, but.... Trent, you should really do more responses to Orthodoxy (there's already plenty of videos you've done against Protestantism)... I am seriously giving them consideration, and I'm starting to feel myself being won over... I don't want to make the wrong decision, and you are easily the most gifted Catholic apologist I know of, so if anyone can refute them and bring me back, it's you.. I just noticed that it's almost always a Catholic vs. Protestant back and forth, but rarely does anyone touch on Orthodoxy..

@TheCounselofTrent

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What in particular in Orthodoxy do you find concerning that would require a response?

@OrthoLou

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​@@TheCounselofTrent maybe I can share some videos you can respond to..?

@BeauBeckwith

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Michael Lofton from Reason and theology is a great resource for a response to Orthodoxy.

@petardraganov3716

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Ask them why they haven't had an ecumenical council since the Schism. Oh sure, they have gotten together, but it's always "some parts subject to revision by the local patriarchs", unlike the Pre-Schism councils. What changed?

@brianfarley926

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Check with Michael Lofton as well. The Orthodox are not unified at all in theology. While many Catholics can lean to hard on that it’s all great over here when clearly we have disagreements Catholics as a whole do not disagree on essential areas of doctrine while the Orthodox do like in areas baptism should new converts be re baptized, divorce and re marriage some say no, some say can be divorced and re married multiple times, some say contraception is okay some do not, some have disagreements over the Filoque. The Orthodox faith is fracturing again with Russians vs the Greeks right now. So it’s not all peaches and cream over there either. We have our issues sure, and we should reason them out however it’s not an excuse to leave the Church for a counterfeit faith that acts like everything is just them acting as one over there when they aren’t.

Amazing video as usual

Thank you for making this video

Good video, it let me with a lot to think about. I really like and appreciate if you make a video talking about what is happening with bishops in Germany and how, we catholics that want to be faithful, could get our head around it without fell into schismatic ideas

Before opening your mouth to criticize, open your mouth to offer a prayer. Pray more often than you criticize, then you might actually see some changes in the world.

Very well said, Trent. Thank you.

Good bless you Trent!!

When Pope Francis came to Kazakhstan, I followed the example of bishop Athanasius Schneider: I welcome Pope Francis and showed him love. One can and should be critical without being hateful.

So how would YOU stand up against a gnostic takeover?

Well said! 👏👏👏

Thank you 😊 and God bless you 🙏

I just look at this as being above my paygrade. I cant do anything about the clearly horrible things happening in the Church. And at the end of the day, its their millstone, not mine. But it does HURT on a physcial level (not to mention spiritual) to see bishops cower before the world and refuse to speak rightly. It makes us laity feel rather alone standing up for Christ when we have leaders in the Church saying nothing or being unclear. It doesnt take a theology degree to know that much of what is being allowed is wrong.

I feel exposed. I didn't know this, I literally said that Pope Francis had moral deficiencies to two people yesterday. Appart from confession, what else can I do to stop being ignorant? How can I stop myself from cringing or blushing as I haphazardly try to defend what the Pope says to my non-Catholic friends without looking stupid? I defend him = stupid fanatic. I criticize him = stupid fanatic. What should I do? Honestly, if I talked badly of my own father to other people, in defiance, I would feel horrible. I now know I am not justified. Is silence the better option? Something I feel very often is that bishops are super abstract. The people I hear on Catholic issues are on books and KZread, the priests in my parishes seem cold to me, like they would rather go to lunch than listen to my sins... literally. I feel like sobbing when they repeat in confession, verbatim, what they said in the homily as if I am still a member of a crowd instead of a very particular person, with very partiuclar sins, standing in front of them. Pouring my soul out. Talking like a politician would, instead of like a father to his children, reading from a tele-prompter. I could probably only name 2 bishops in my country. The whole bulk of what they say is unknown to me appart from the 1% that gets news coverage. I feel fatherless spiritually. Are my feelings, as a lay woman, an unimportant subjective thing then?

Excellent video

Thank you for this video, couldn't agree more. As a fairly new Catholic it has been a stumbling block to me. As Ecclesiastes says, "there's nothing new under the sun".

Pope Francis and some bishops make it very difficult to talk to protestants about the true Catholic faith, at least thats the case down here in alabama. They are aware of the sexual abuse cover-up, pachimama (they really hate idols), the german bishop push to accept homosexual marriage, the Holy Father's pressure on Catholics to get the covid vaccination, the bust of Martin Luther, the allowance of a celebration of an episcopal mass at st. John lateran...they see these things as proof that their protestantism is OK. Pope Francis is a challenge for me personally in many ways, including evangelization. I pray for him and for my own charity toward him.

@Candis55

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I actually wonder if Pope Francis even wants me to bother to evangelize.

@RedWolf5

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@@Candis55 clearly he doesn’t wants us to evangelize, at least not how the saints did.

@lorenzobianchini4415

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​@@Candis55I think you are invincible ignorant.People like you make me very sad

@calebadcock363

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The Vatican gardens ceremony was not idol worship and the Pope did not authorize the Anglican liturgy at St. John Lateran.

@calebadcock363

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@@RedWolf5 That is demonstrably false and contradicted by the holy father’s own words

Also from the CCC 907 : "In accord with the knowledge competence and preeminence which they possess lay people have the right and even at times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastor's their opinion on matters."

@StoaoftheSouth

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"Knowledge, competence and preeminence." We should do well to remember that those are three stipulations. And it would also be helpful to have the entire quotation, since it helps to put this into better context. "In accord with the knowledge, competence, and preeminence which they possess, [lay people] have the right and even at times a duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church, and they have a right to make their opinion known to the other Christian faithful, with due regard to the integrity of faith and morals and reverence toward their pastors, and with consideration for the common good and the dignity of persons."

Thanks for answer lots of my doubt.

As a convert of 6 years I struggle with this very thing and really needed to hear this. Thank you, Trent for another great clarification of our Faith.

I loved the parallel of dissenters of the first Vatican council and the second. Truly puts it into perspective

@thereasonableman2424

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Terrible comparison, the Church hás declined in every positive metric after VII, while no such thing happened after VI. Trent talks about the Magisterium now, which effectively doesn't exist, not because the hierarchy lacks Authority, but because they refuse to use it. Take Bishop Cordileone's case for example: Even his softer approach saying Nancy Pelosi should stay away from the Eucharist for promoting abortion was countermanded by Pope Francis, despite so-called colegiality being important to the Church. In fact Bishop Cordileone is entirely within his right to excommunicate Nancy Pelosi, but he won't because that'd bê too harsh and authoritarian.

By their fruits you will know them…

God bless you!

You've given me a lot to think about Trent, I have been one of these guys

This is a catholic mindset, I agree. The problem is that modernism is so rife in the church that we now have a crisis in the church. Akin to the Aryan crisis. How to have trust in the guidance of the hierarchy when so many Bishops are consistently acting and speaking heretically? We are told that we should always defer our judgement to them, but like a ship in a storm being run by a captain who's judgement seems to be faulty time and time again, the crew eventually needs to act in order to save the ship - and it might mean they disobey an order or two. It's not because they don't recognize the legitimacy of the authority of the captain in the first place - they have after all been dutiful and loyal crew to that point, but to just blindly follow the captain in that crisis would surely spell disaster. This is different than comparing it to Martin Luther who utterly changed his mind about the whole nature of the church (the ship) in the first place. The crew just wants the ship to begin doing what it was doing before the crisis started and it is not trying to set up a parallel hierarchy on that ship. They just need sanity to prevail in management of the ship so they can get out of the storm. To do otherwise would mean to divorce ourselves from our God given reason, and that is not catholic either. It makes no sense to argue against the available evidence since the end of Vatican 2: the loss of faith, loss of vocations, and diminishment of faith and morals in an utterly catastrophic fashion. Post hoc ergo propter hoc you say? Contra factum non est argumentum is what I'll say.

@thomasbailey921

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Do you really believe that Vatican II is the cause of faithlessness? If so, then I've got a revisionist history about a bridge to sell to you.

Cardinal Sarah says "those who do not accept the Pope is de facto not a Catholic"

Thank you for this talk. We are called to unify the Church not to divide her. This coming Sunday is Pentecost. May we bring ourselves down and allow the Holy Spirit to lead the Church. Lord Jesus, help us follow your footsteps in obedience.

A good bit of scholarship there on an important topic, which you handled like a Catholic gentleman. Thank you! ❤💙

So if the Pope and the Bishops were to contradict past teachings in the Bible and the magisterium on say, homosexuality, would we be right to follow the current magisterium or the past teachings ?

@brendanbutler1238

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@@horrorhawk3701 OK, let me word the question differently, if you believed that the current Church was contradicting Biblical and past teaching, should you follow past teaching or present ?

@annefranciselizabeth3840

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@@horrorhawk3701 Utter nonsense. The magisterium is subordinate to Tradition which is subordinate to Scripture. There is no way out of the dilemma except a return to the sola Scriptura recovered by the true Church during the glorious Reformation. Sola Scrriptura means that nothing can be taught as dogma if it is not affirmed in Scripture. I am almost certain that this so-called "Catholic" youtuber believes in his heart of hearts that Francis is not a true Pope. But were he to admit it publicly, the human-made superstructure of Romanism would collapse on his head. Romanism is far more fractious than the Churches of the Reformation. There are nearly as many "RC Orthodoxies" as there are Roman Catholics. Why? Like the Bible, "the Catechism"/"the Canon Laws" of the RCC must also be interpreted. In their attempt to enforce man-made uniformity, the heedless Romanists replaced a divine book with a human distillate of the same. But unlike the Bible, only very few doctrines in "the Catechism" have ever been infallibly defined (such as the Assumption) so most of its stipulations are mere pius opinions (since they may be wrong). Therefore, literarily every Romanist has his/her private orthodoxy. I know many Romanists who have declared the Pope an anti-Pope or a "Protestant Pope" simply because they disagree with the Pope's NON-DOGMATIC OPINION on some aspect of the "Catechism!" There is far more unity of doctrine between the CLASSICAL forms of the major branches of the Reformed Churches (Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, etc) than amongst the confusing array of Romanist contortions. Each RC denomination (Mainline, Montinian, Sedevacantist, SSPV, SSPX, Conclavist, Lefebvrist, Catholic Restoration, Sedeprivationist, Ultramontanist, Semi-traditionalist, Concilarist, Neo-ultramontanist, Novus Ordo Catholic, Catholic Liberal, Extraordinary Formist, Opus Dei, Divine Mercy cultists, etc, etc) seems to make up its own "Catholic Truth" on the go. Ironically, it is easier to know what a Reformed denomination believes than to pin down RCs to anything. I do not (yet) know any Baptists who believe that the President of the Baptist Convention is an unsaved heretic. But there is a vibrant army of zealous RCs online screaming that all Popes since Paul VI (some even add John the XXIII for good measure) are damned heretics and false prophets!! What can be more confusing? I repeat - the Churches of the Reformation agreed on major points of doctrine. Anglicans did not believe that Lutherans were heretics whereas many RC denominations believe the Pope himself to be a heretic. The trick of referring to every non-Roman Church as "Protestant" is fallacious. How can a sect formed in Poland in 1998 by a former Romanist be called "Protestant"? This linguistic farce has gotten so bad that there are now millions of Romanists who actually believe that Pope Francis is "Protestant". But if all the Churches formed by former Methodists are linked back to Methodism as "Protestant" then surely all denominations founded by former Romanists should continue to be linked with Romanism. Nothing stops the Orthodox Church from lumping all non-Orthodox Churches (including the RCC) together and giving them one name - say, "the Heterodox" - and then pointing out that "Heterdodox sects" are doctrinally confused. Baptists can play the same disingenuous linguistic game by lumping every non-Baptist (including Romanists) under one name (e.g. "Paedo-baptists") so as to "prove" that only Baptists are coherent! What people find so attractive about Romanism (namely, its consistency) is an illusion.

@brendanbutler1238

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@@horrorhawk3701 But only Ex Cathedra teachings can be said to be infallible. So if the Pope and the Bishops issued a non ex Cathedra teaching that contradicted past Ex Cathedra teachings we would have a responsibility to follow the past Ex Cathedra teachings rather than the non Ex Cathedra teachings. Also I would say that once a doctrine has been defined in the past Ex Cathedra, then even if a Pope and the Bishops try to redefine it Ex Cathedra then their redefinition is null and void because once something has been defined it cannot be undefined. Because we have more than one Pope through history then present Popes cannot contradict past popes and any attempt to do so must be considered heresy, even if it is a Pope who claims he is speaking Ex Cathedra.

I love watching your videos Trent, always have enjoyed watching them for some years now. But this one is a little problematic for me. I live in South America. For most of my life I lived in a great diocese, my bishop was very orthodox in his faith and so were most of the priests. But recently I moved to another city, in another diocese... This one has indeed an terrible bishop, one that adders to liberation theology. It's not even something he tries to cover. Now me and my wife we can't find good parishes close to our home, even the Latin mass he has banned without giving any reason for it. He expelled the Institut du Bon Pasteur from the archdiocese one day after Pope Francis' motu proprio some years ago... It's really hard to defend the bishops when you live under a bad one. It's specially hard when you live in a country such as Brazil, with so many bishop from the liberation theology :(

Terimakasih Pak, telah menyediakan subtitle Indonesia.

Thank you for this video and others. You are appreciated. I hadn't ever read Calvin's intro letter prior to you mentioning it. In doing so, I found his first argument against Papal authority was 1 Cor 3:21-22 "So let no one boast of men. For all things are yours, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future, all are yours;" What I find most sadly ironic is that just a couple versus prior, St. Paul writes in 1 Cor 3:18 "Let no one deceive himself. If any one among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise." Submission is challenging sometimes. As a former Protestant, it was the key to entering the door of Mother Church. I knew there was something special on the other side of that submission and I have been proven right everyday since. May God bless the work you do, and may we as a body continue to pray for our leaders...even when it is challenging.