Brothers and sisters, please pray for me to stop this pornography addiction

@rivinius1

3 күн бұрын

Hey. You got it! I struggle too. Prayers incoming for you, and all that are on this difficult journey of recovery and healing. Appreciate you being vulnerable enough to share your challenges with us. 🙏🙏🙏

@marcihf217

3 күн бұрын

praying

@airman6822

3 күн бұрын

I came through it with the help of the Lord.

@nathanbustamante1525

3 күн бұрын

I understand. It's possible to break this addiction. God help you!

@JohnHenrysaysHi

3 күн бұрын

Praying for you. Hope you and yours have a nice week!

I'm normally a bit of a hate-watcher of your channel. Someone who disagrees with you pretty consistently on a whole host of issues, mainly because I am an atheist, but has some respect for the consistency of your worldview. Before watching this video, my views on this topic were uninformed, but generally favorable to the whole "sex work is work" viewpoint. This is the fastest I have ever changed my mind. Thank you

@Mattt5

3 күн бұрын

i don’t think you’re a hate watcher. sounds to me like you keep an open mind and are willing to hear out opposing world views. i pray for your eventual conversion. God bless

@lucacuradossi1040

3 күн бұрын

Prostitution is not limited to human trafficking, trent was very dishonest to mix this up. There are plenty of prostitutes that chose that life freely. The skill argument is silly because there are plenty of jobs that require no training.

@sidwhiting665

3 күн бұрын

@@lucacuradossi1040 , but can you do those jobs unconscious? He brought that point up. Additionally, he never said "prostitution is limited to human trafficking." He said prostitution often results in human trafficking because the supply can't keep up with the demand. So what do you think: should prostitutes be allowed to refuse to perform the service for which they are hired if they find the "client" utterly repulsive and demeaning, or do they have to allow men to use their bodies even if they don't want to? Sure, you can find a few women who sign up for it, because the amount of money paid is often way more than real work. That doesn't negate the point that far too many times women are forced into it and / or regret signing up for it later.

@Mattt5

3 күн бұрын

@@lucacuradossi1040 that’s wild, but trent didn’t make either of those points

@TortekMr

3 күн бұрын

@atilabie What a great comment! Kudos to your honesty

Ppl dont seem to realize that things like prostitution and porn harm WAY more ppl than just the "consenting adults" involved... 😢😢😢

@lucacuradossi1040

3 күн бұрын

@@christinax9104 with that logic you have to prohibit smoking, alcohol and any other things that goes against your definition of harm. Most of Hollywood is impermissible for Christian's, are you going to ban movies?

@jamesbhollingsworth5452

3 күн бұрын

@@lucacuradossi1040 Yes.

@John_Fisher

3 күн бұрын

@@lucacuradossi1040 I don't know the details of Christina's position, but just reading from her comment the statement is that prostitution and porn harm people, not necessarily that it should be made illegal. As with some of the examples that you give, it is possible to hold the position that making something illegal would cause more harm than allowing it to remain legal while acknowledging that it is harmful.

@newglof9558

3 күн бұрын

​@@lucacuradossi1040we should bring back the Hayes code

@lucacuradossi1040

3 күн бұрын

@@newglof9558 you are insane, that would kill cinema. You militant Christians are a minority, normal people want to go to the movies and watch all sorts of things

I mean, can you imagine a woman going to her "job" at a brothel and then coming home after 8 hours and spending time in the loving embrace of her husband? Is that even a remotely possible reality? Obviously not. Whatever our culture's views on sex may be, we all know it is set apart - it's not something to be treated likely. If prostitution were just work, then rape would be like someone stealing your stapler (I'm being facetious but you get the point I hope).

@leobuana7430

3 күн бұрын

Indeed,comparing it to stolen staplers is to light,it's actually more like a boxer who got into bar fight if "sex work is work" is true

@davido3026

3 күн бұрын

You mixed the term husband with pimp!!! Or sex manager

@edisonchin2463

2 күн бұрын

I mean, isn't that the reality for alot of pornstars?

@zacdredge3859

Күн бұрын

Just to clarify, I guess you meant 'lightly' rather than likely.

@master_samwise

Күн бұрын

@@zacdredge3859 yup

Turning back to Christ in the middle of April has delivered me from at least 10 years of porn addiction. God is good! Thank you Trent for your videos and for clarifying the Catholic’s teachings. I’m a cradle Catholic but now I really am practicing. Currently doing a 54 day novena and reading/spreading the Word of God in the hopes of bringing myself and others closer to Christ. God bless you ✝️

@twitherspoon8954

3 күн бұрын

Jesus is a fictional character.

@shepherddog1199

3 күн бұрын

May the scales fall from your eyes. ​@@twitherspoon8954

@toasterdoge6045

3 күн бұрын

Thats just simply untrue​@@twitherspoon8954

@sandordelgado9812

2 күн бұрын

@@twitherspoon8954 Cool. Good for you. God bless you

Lust is an incredible parasite of modern society

@levrai944

3 күн бұрын

It’s been a parasite of every society since antiquity.

@sidwhiting665

3 күн бұрын

Delete the word "modern" and replace "society" with "humans" and I'll agree 100%.

@davido3026

3 күн бұрын

Henry Viii, head of anglican, episcopal, and other churches!!!

@davido3026

3 күн бұрын

It is a capital sin!!! King David fell through that, and so did king solomon, the wisest man in the history of humankind! etc

@user-ku9jc1xb4x

3 күн бұрын

@@sidwhiting665 He should also remove “Incredible” from that sentence too, because there is nothing positive or good about a sin. If anything, the best way to describe sin, in my opinion, is, “A cruel cancer on the mind.”

Trent's face says, I can't believe I have to explain this

@LIlFro-

3 күн бұрын

Yuup 😂

@powerlessburger

3 күн бұрын

Poor man looks a lot older in this video

@FiMvisibl3

3 күн бұрын

The lighting doesn't exactly help, it's been like this since the new setup (which I like, don't get me wrong, but it does make Trent look older compared to before)

Our Lady of Chastity, pray for us.

If sex work was real work then there would be no problem with bosses requiring their employees to perform sexual acts on them. It’s not real work and never has been. It’s a category all to its own.

@rahulpaul147

3 күн бұрын

The obvious problem is consent the boss would be forcing consent. Not just that if you are working in a specific sector say IT sector the boss cannot ask or force you to do any other job say his house cleaning that would be immoral and illegal

@lucacuradossi1040

3 күн бұрын

This makes no sense, a prostitutes job is to offer a sexual service, employees are expected to fulfill their contracts

@jareddembrun783

3 күн бұрын

​@@rahulpaul147but this just gets back to Trent's first point. Belgian prostitutes now are not legally free to consent or not. They have to weigh whether consenting or not is worth it in every instance now, because refusing to many times can cause problems for them "at work." How would this be any different from your corporate boss putting sexual favors on demand into your employment contract? If sex work were real work, we shouldn't see any problems with such a contract, all else being equal. Yet, we do.

@MK_ULTRA420

3 күн бұрын

But there is no problem. The boss is more likely to give raises and promotions to employees who perform sexual acts on them. The metoo movement was simply Hollywood getting caught.

@lucacuradossi1040

3 күн бұрын

​@@jareddembrun783because not al sex work is forced, there are plenty of prostitutes that work by themselves. Of course that sex trafficking isnt consensual. In a job you are demanded to fulfill a contract, being demanded to do anything outside the contract is abuse

"Sex work" is one of my least favorite modern euphamism.

I love how Trent casually just wears a suit in every video 😅great video!

@A.Froster

3 күн бұрын

I mean it looks good , i dig it !

@lc4n333

3 күн бұрын

He's got a new suit! It looks fit him better than the old ones.

Imagine feeling about sex the way you feel about going to your job. Sure, it can be rewarding, but now it's also a kind-of miserable grind.

Sex, like fire, is a natural gift from God but is way too powerful and dangerous to play with! Just like fire must only be used when necessary, for only the right reasons and only in the right way, it’s exactly the same with sex! Unfortunately most people haven’t wised up on this! Don’t know if most people ever will! I sometimes wished God just have babies delivered by the stork or by cabbage patch like the fairy tales say because most people can’t handle sex!

@ShiniGuraiJoker

3 күн бұрын

Guess we should thank God for all the gift of diseases too.

@bikesrcool_1958

3 күн бұрын

Shini, do you think the amount of people getting diseases wouldn’t be as big if people waited until marriage to have sex with one partner? If you are sleeping around and get a disease, It’s awful and you should get help, but God owes you nothing in that area. He said don’t do this, it’s bad. You did this and got a bad turn out from it.

@davido3026

3 күн бұрын

​​@@ShiniGuraiJokerthanks for AIDS, syphilis, herpes, etc. Howevee, they are no deterrent to aberrant consummers

@God_my_Savior

2 күн бұрын

It’s always easier for sinners to blame it on God.

Great video, I see the "if prostitution is just sec work then sexual harassment is requesting a service" as by and far the most compelling argument to most people and I wish you would have went in on it more. Maybe something to expand upon in another video.

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions! -Vanessa

@graysonguinn1943

3 күн бұрын

@@johnny6767g treating sex work the same as normal work wouldn’t reduce sexual harassment to ‘requesting a service’ it would just be the same as regular harassment

This hit me hard. Firs of all thank you for this video. I was security long time ago for prostitues, and i also met alot of prostitutes. i never met prostitute who like her work. They are just destroyed human beings. No society should ever allow prostitution. Thank you Trent

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing and for your support!- Vanessa

That initial story, that Belgian law, is absolutely shocking and sad. Its like the days of Noah. We've blown way past Sodom and Gomorrah.

@davido3026

3 күн бұрын

Red Light district in AMSTERDAM!!! You forgot the displaying of women with menus description on glass Windows

Brilliant argument. I must listen to this a good few times. As a Catholic, I am often sneered at, but it's great to have these points memorised. I never shy away from an argument. Most of my ammunition comes from Trent Horn, Jimmy Aiken or Bryan Mercier. Thanks again so much Trent , love and kudos from Ireland 🇮🇪.

@skippy675

3 күн бұрын

You are sneered at because as you admit yourself, you seek only to memorize points to win arguments. Like any action, there is a broad spectrum of moral "correctness" which is applicable. The faithful try to paint everything as objective. Black or white. Right or wrong. It's not so simple. Women can prey on men, or vice versa. I agree that human trafficking is quite wrong. It's sexual slavery. However, there is a lot of sex work which falls outside of this. Do you know how many mothers in poorer places in the world (East Africa in particular) have to decide between selling their bodies for money or watching their children starve to death? What a choice. Sell my body, risk getting HIV so that my children will live this month, or stay pure, and watch my children die. I've spent several years in East Africa as an aide worker. Unfortunately, most of the charitable donations sent that way are simply stolen by those in power before they ever reach those in need. Some prostitutes (though not the majority) cater to those with disabilities. This to me is extremely noble work. Imagine going your entire life with no hope of experiencing intimacy the way that able bodies people do. No amount of Jesus is ever going to replace the yearning for human touch in this life. Delude yourself all you like. People who deny themselves sex, simply compensate in other areas. Sex is very much like food. It can be junk or it can be quite healthy. It can be an addiction. Too much and too little are not healthy. The church, Catholics especially, have an obsession with sexual purity which is untenable. You see how a vow of abstinence works out for Catholic priests. They prey on young boys or whomever they can get their hands on. Even if we are designed by God, then it is God himself who wired our bodies. Wired us to seek intimacy.

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

Thank you so much for watching and your support! -Vanessa

@skippy675

3 күн бұрын

You are sneered at because you admit that you only effort to memorize points to debate with people and win arguments. You are a modern day Pharisee. Sex work can be deeply evil, those forced in by human trafficking are sex slaves. Point blank. There is a broad spectrum though. Some women have to make the choice between selling their bodies or watching their children starve to death. Happens a lot in poorer countries. Most of the humanitarian aid and charitable donations to those places are simply stolen before they ever reach those who really need them, Some sex workers choose to minister to the disabled who would never feel the full intimacy of human touch otherwise. This is noble and commendable, though admittedly rare. What clearly doesn't work is a vow of abstinence as taken by Catholic priests where pedophilia runs rampant. Let's see if this comment gets deleted too! Some folks are so insecure about their position, they won't even entertain any or try to refute any points against them.

With more single people now than there has ever been, more people are going to be tempted to head in this direction. Lord preserve us.

Some parts of the video made me slightly wanna throw up. It's good that you are calling this out.

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

Thank you for this feedback! -Vanessa

Whenever someone tells me they support legal sex work, I ask them if they would _want_ their daughter to get involved with sex work. It's a really good test of just how insane they are. Most people balk immediately, but the truly insane will sit there and assure you they would be proud.

I am absolutely shocked that prostitution has law regulations. It's illegal!!!! It shouldn't be something normal and it shouldn't be something law-regulated but banned!!! What?????!!! I'm absolutely appalled and baffled.

@TheCounselofTrent

2 күн бұрын

That’s for your perspective, Estelle! -Vanessa

@EstelleWalter

2 күн бұрын

@@TheCounselofTrent You believe it should be legal and law regulated?

@AuRora-lx6vq

Күн бұрын

Estelle, I am certain Vanessa agrees with you. She meant to write "thanks", not "that's".

@EstelleWalter

Күн бұрын

​@@AuRora-lx6vq oooh that makes sense yes. Thank you for that comment. ❤

I have struggled with my trauma from “sex work”. I appreciate that you affirm that my PTSD is real and that it’s been proven to be as bad as combat.

As for pornography, Rather than finding a way to make it virtually impossible to view, our schools use the ease of access as an excuse to introduce sexual deviation to our youth. Grr...

Enjoyed your interview on Reason! This was really well done. Left libertarians should take note and ponder. Definitely puts "consent" and "harm" in proper perspective.

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

Thanks for sharing! -Vanessa

Dont mean to be political, but i live in an immigrant neighborhood and i had to call the police many times for alleged prostitution on the corner and prostitutes hanging around the bar.

@mrm4sherman271

3 күн бұрын

Keep it up. They shouldn’t feel emboldened to do that it public

This article is the most bizarre thing. It’s saddening as well. Troubling… When sin is “legally” regulated, you get messes! You get horror! I mean the same ludicrous outcomes in law and practice happen in abortion. How early can someone murder their child? Like “what!?” And the craziest thing is how these two topics (sex-work regulations and abortion) now run into each other. Now women can’t say no? Okay, so then is a child conceived then a product of this work? Is a child conceived considered more or less valuable? Etc. They will say, “oh, this biological process of conception which is the point of this ‘sex’ done in ‘sex-work’ is not a product of this type of work, so we should treat it as ‘accidental’ and a ‘burden’ to the mother, but also this man who impregnated this woman who could not refuse him her own body, yeah, this man is not the father because he just wanted the ‘sex’ part of ‘sex-work’ not the ‘accidental birth’ part.” Or “Gosh, with women not being able to refuse men who want sex with them, we are having to pay a lot of money for these women to get abortions for these accidental children. This is not a cost we want. Let’s make it a requirement that all ‘sex-workers’ get the ‘vaccine’ called a hysterectomy to qualify for this ‘sex work.’ We only want to protect our employees, don’t blame us. Taking away a sex-workers ability to give birth is actually a good thing. Y’know, these women who are trafficked or who otherwise do not have any other options of work, or who want this ‘low-bar’ work, yeah we are going to force them to be sterilized, and it’s not at all predatory or obligatory, it’s totally a freely willed decision.”

God bless you Trent Horn! Thank you for helping me understand Catholicism, in return I buy your patreon membership

@twitherspoon8954

3 күн бұрын

Propitiatory human sacrifice and cannibalism are evil and must not be worshiped.

@bikesrcool_1958

3 күн бұрын

Twitherspoon, great trying to pull some Roman insults to Christian’s. Cannibalism is exactly what the Roman’s accused us of in between their mass persecutions.

@bikesrcool_1958

3 күн бұрын

Based off of rumors and misunderstanding of what the Christian’s were doing in their meetings, rumours like orgies even came out. Say what you want but it’s not making you look better, or giving any impact to anyone other then “this guy has problems with communion”

@bikesrcool_1958

3 күн бұрын

The charge of cannibalism is not new. Roman pagans called early Church Christians cannibals precisely because the disciples spoke of eating and drinking their God. Also, the Eucharist doesn’t defile Jesus, disrespect him, or give us nourishment in the way normal food does. There are some stories of miraculous living off of the Eucharist, but it’s not a lunch. You can paint it to be some evil practice for yourself. The pagans said it and you can also, but it’s funny because it feels like such a coping comment

@twitherspoon8954

3 күн бұрын

@@bikesrcool_1958 _"Cannibalism is exactly what the Roman’s accused us of..."_ Jesus: "Whoever gnaws my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink." Conference of Catholic Bishops: "The Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ truly present on the altar under the appearances of bread and wine."

Off topic comment. I watched a speech you made where you mentioned low hanging fruit paying for scholarly work and can certainly understand. I just wanted to say, I am one who thirsts for the scholarly having only recently discovered you.

Thank you Trent. I will definitely be sharing this video.

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing the video! -Vanessa

St Thomas Aquinas and st Augustine did not advocate for legal prostitution, they advocate for its decriminalization . It is the difference between accepting x and tolerating it Even in modern law there is a difference. It is like in the US where polygamous marriages are not a crime but illegal as no state allows it.

@tomasrocha6139

3 күн бұрын

Augustine says (De Ordine ii, 4): "If you do away with harlots, the world will be convulsed with lust."

@trismegistus2881

3 күн бұрын

@@tomasrocha6139 Tolerating something is not the same as permitting something by organizing and promoting it yourself. Augustine believed that we shouldn't try to stop prostitution, be he certainly didn't believe that we should organize or promote it.

@jdotoz

3 күн бұрын

Bigamy is a crime everywhere in the US and is often a felony. The people who appear to be getting away with it aren't actually attempting to obtain marriage licenses.

@ShiniGuraiJoker

3 күн бұрын

​@@trismegistus2881 By your argument, we should simply remove all of the things in the world not congruent with your book when we don't all follow it.

@chrisiswright

3 күн бұрын

Precisely. That’s why when I say I agree with them on this issue, it’s through the decriminalisation route. Although the necessity of tolerating it is drastically lower today than in their time period. The function taken up by prostitutes of allowing many people to release certain urges and thus preventing certain societal ills has now been replaced in today’s less Christian world where most people end up sleeping around and living in with their partners. It’s still immoral, but there is a function that unfortunately has to be tolerated because of its role in the common good

Trent horn is blessing

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

Thank you for this comment! -Vanessa

“Nobody except the most abused and broken people dream of being a prostitute” is one of the kindest things I’ve ever heard. Thank you. The “sex-positive” ideology makes regretting sex or feeling degraded by it seem anti-woman. It has taken a long time to accept what I did AND what was done TO me. Saying “sex work is work” made me feel as if I had no right to feel traumatized, and that if I was, it was my fault for not being open minded enough.

That is so true they say that anything less than an enthusiastic “yes!” is r word. No use of coercion or convincing can be considered legitimate in their worldview. It’s still r word to them. That would mean that s*x work is by its very nature r word, as you said. They’ll just claim she’s agreeing to “work” so that’s consent but that is not an enthusiastic yes to engage with every man that she will ultimately engage with. No way. Every single one is an act of “coercion” regardless because she’s being convinced by financial gain. She may wish inside to say no to every single one of them but instead she is *forced* to say yes to at least some of them. She’s getting paid for getting r* worded according to their own liberal framework too..

Well done, keep up the good work. More videos like this. All of these are arguments I’d never considered before

Some of the studies you mentioned seems interesting, wish there were links

@TheCounselofTrent

2 күн бұрын

Noted! Thanks for the feedback! -Vanessa

A rough episode to listen to, but as you say an important one. I shudder when I think of the society being built now that my children will have to live in.

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

Thank you for watching. -Vanessa

Hit it out of the park on this one. 10/10 video. Thank you!

Eye-opening!

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

thank you for your comment! -Vanessa

Wow, thank you for this video ❤

Well done.

The preferred term is “massage therapist” just to distance ourselves from sex work as much as possible. Otherwise your video is spot on. Thanks.

Thank you. Spot on.

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

Thank you for watching! -Vanessa

I'm not a catholic, but I learn something out of every one of your videos.

@TheCounselofTrent

2 күн бұрын

That means so much to us! Thank you! -Vanessa

@jervisman2

2 күн бұрын

You’re welcome!

Wow, these are some great points that I never even thought about

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching! -Vanessa

This quote is from Run DNA It should be pointed out that the quote ["Take away whores from the world, and you will fill it with sodomy"] is not actually by Aquinas. Here's a translation of the relevant text in De Regimine Principum (On the Government of Rulers): Thus, Augustine says that a whore acts in the world as the bilge in a ship or the sewer in a palace: "Remove the sewer, and you will fill the palace with a stench." Similarly, concerning the bilge, he says: "Take away whores from the world, and you will fill it with sodomy." [Book 4, Chapter 14] As you can see, the passage is quoting (or more accurately, paraphrasing) Augustine. And though the book was often included in Aquinas's collected works, only perhaps Book 1 and the first four chapters of Book 2 are by Aquinas. The rest of the work was probably written by Ptolemy of Lucca. The latter parts even mention the crowning of Albert I of Habsburg, an event which did not occur until 1298, twenty-four years after Aquinas's death. And the quote we are talking about comes from Book 4, which is part of the work definitely not written by Aquinas. Source: Blythe, James M., trans. On the Government of Rulers: De Regimine Principum, by Ptolemy of Lucca, with portions attributed to Thomas Aquinas. The Middle Ages Series. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1997.

Thanks for this video, Trent. Still, I worry that a few of your arguments would apply to the war brides of Deuteronomy 21. How would you go about that?

Haven't been able to watch yet, but given the timestamps it looks like this is the exact argument promoted by my old professor Lori Watson in her 2014 article "Why Sex Work Isn’t Work - Safety, Sexual harassment, Civil Rights". I hope it gets some credit if that was a source of inspiration!

Great video!

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

Thank you for watching! -Vanessa

I love the new bad boy Trent rebrand haha great thumbnail

Excellent video. Thank you.

@TheCounselofTrent

2 күн бұрын

Glad you liked it! Thank you! -Vanessa

So well put

Well said

Thanks much for this video.

The use of non-religious arguments is super helpful.

Yes, very true. Thank you, dear Mr. Horn, for uploading this as the push towards "Sex work" is simply revolting and I hope more can realize how abusive it is towards women. Have a very blessed day, as well!

Thank you.

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

Thank you for watching! -Vanessa

The 2nd argument was very convincing

Absolutely superb. I am shocked how blase so many of my family friends & peers are about prostitution so I will totally sharing this with them

More people need to see this video.

Algorithm

7:46 We're called CNAs.

Great video. Gave me much to think about. It has been hard to hear real criticism of these ideas outside of religious circles. Religious criticism may be valid but ultimately means nothing to someone outside of the religion. The points presented here can resonate with everyone.

@TheCounselofTrent

2 күн бұрын

Thanks for sharing your feedback! -Vanessa

Thanks

@TheCounselofTrent

2 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching! -Vanessa

I agree pimps who abuse their worker are awful, I also agree since it is sex there should be laws that give the sex worker the power to say no. Pimps who abuse there staff are awful human beings. To say absolutely no one wants to be a sex worker is incorrect. I’m not so much opposed to sex work as I am primps and clients wanting to force the worker into things. If you force someone to have sex with you well enjoy your concrete box for the next 2 decades you won’t be leaving it. Also I don’t know if the health and safety requirements behind condom would be required as it’s sex work, sex is the point so telling sex workers to wear head gear and gloves is a bit much.

@thebitterrootranger4405

2 күн бұрын

I don't know, insisting on wearing gloves and headgear during sex might help solve the problem. The more uncomfortable or difficult something is to do the less likely someone is to do it. It would weed out a good many people who were 'bored' or 'do it 'cause they can'. Not saying it's a foolproof solution by any means, but it's something. Kind of like the 'safe sex' scene with Leslie Knielsen where they're both wearing the full body condoms. I wish I could remember what movie that was from

@Demonoicgamer666

2 күн бұрын

@@thebitterrootranger4405 yeah that’s what I’m saying Trent is saying sex work is unhygienic because the worlds health organisation says when exposed to other people you should cover up.

@user-of6lf5xl8b

Күн бұрын

⁠​⁠@@Demonoicgamer666It’s not only bad in the unhygenic sense. Additionally, he is also showing how sex workers are denied basic rights of workers, which shows how it isn’t real work because we don’t treat them like normal workers

@Demonoicgamer666

Күн бұрын

@@user-of6lf5xl8b but that’s not a problem with the work just a problem with the people.

Preach it brother Trent

Regarding the first point, non-discrimination law doesn't seem like a major hurdle to me. If your hard "no"s include not sleeping with entire races, nationalities, or religions, that's your prerogative, but then prostitution would not be the industry for you. The law can allow you to say no to anyone without allowing a no for that reason. And as for some of the other factors like "physical build," those aren't protected classes in the law. A sex work code of conduct would not have to model the masseuse code of conduct on those.

Wow this was gross but very informative. That’s crazy. God help us!

@TheCounselofTrent

3 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching. -Vanessa

...but paperwork is? Whatever makes you sweat.

In terms of the ending I think anyone who has read Augustine, particularly his Confessions, should be well aware that his views of sexuality were entangled with repenting of quite a sordid past and he seems to have reacted in some odd ways as a result(his treatment of the mother of his son, who he never refers to by name, is a particular shame for example). I say this because it's easy to ignore the biases of great thinkers and forget that have the same failings that are common to us all.

Never been this early

People view sex as entertainment that’s why they view sex work as any other work. What it’s hard to explain is why is that rape isn’t the same forcing someone to watch a boring movie with you ?

Thank you and God bless.

@TheCounselofTrent

2 күн бұрын

Thank you for watching! -Vanessa

I think many people are forgetting he said LEGITIMATE work. Technically, anything done in exchange for money can be loosely defined as “work”, but that’s not what he’s attacking

Depnds who the client is 😂 Joking aside this is the danger of a secular government.

I understand your points, but there is so much to say on all four of them, but well talking specifically on the first one the main objection is: "If a sex worker connot refuse to have sex with a person, then it is rape" As I said, I think I get your point and even that it would be valid under some circumstances, but at the same time when would you consider the following?: "If a worker connot refuse to do a job, then it is FORCED LABOR" I think that there's a case to be made in both scenarios but you don't outlaw a job because it implies doing something you don't want to do, what should be done is to have proper regulation that minimizes both cases, but will never be eliminated obvously. You close this point with the idea that you cannot hold the slogan "no means no" and "sex work is work" at the same time, because sex workers won't be able to say "no", but is exactly the same idea as the "foced labor" one, sex workers will be able to say "no" IN THEIR SPARE TIME AND PERSONAL LIFE, but wo't be able to do it in labor hours as any other worker cannot reject work activities in labor hours but he can in his spare and personal life.

@candorsspot2775

2 күн бұрын

This ignores the nature of the work. Who you want to have sex with varies greatly in a way that job assignments don't..

@naucifacio

2 күн бұрын

@@candorsspot2775 I don't quite see why the variation in liking of a job would matter to the point of banning it? If we find another job with greater variation than sex work, should we get rid of it?

@candorsspot2775

2 күн бұрын

@@naucifacio Ultimately, we need to acknowledge that sex is different. it means something spiritually and has serious physical consequences as well. Would you marry a prostitute?

Management reserves the right to admission Applies most appropriate in this case

Perfect!

A criticism: Using Natural Law reasoning shouldn’t be considered explicitly religious (I’m assuming that’s the reason you didn’t include it). One way to help people see the coherence of Christianity and Catholicism is to get them to “convert” to a Natural Law view independently of accepting Christianity. Once/if that is done, a potential convert/seeker won’t have the hurdle of thinking the church’s moral teachings, particularly on sexual issues, are non-sensical and outdated.

Sex work in my book is definitely work and a big sacrifice of your freely life but got to make something shake to feed my kids. Its better than taking a life or getting someone hooked on drugs

Let's see if the YT overlords ding Trent for saying the r-word in a video.

This should come as no shock, this has been in porn for quite a while. Let's not forget that August Ames was bullied to suicide for saying she wouldn't perform with men that had gay scenes (in recent light of the California ruling scaling back the stance on deliberate infection of hiv). Yes, of you're involved in "sex work," you don't exactly get to consent who you "work" with.

With the OSHA analogy, that doesn’t seem totally fair. We make exceptions when it would inhibit the work. UFC fighters and other professional athletes expose themselves to bodily fluids without following these standards because doing so would ruin the work. Not sure this is the best argument.

Extremly commen trent W.

hello trent

On the first point about prostitution being rape. By the same logic, not being able to refuce service in any other type of work would be slavery, as that is forced labour. The consent part is when you accept the job. And if you do not accept the job requirements you can quit. Not arguing for prostitution, just saying that particular argument is flawed.

@eddardgreybeard

2 күн бұрын

If you know women, women want all the perks and none of the burden. Most women probably dream of being escorts, where they play girlfriend for high end clientele. Meaning while they might say yes more than they typically would, it would be on their terms in a way that would benefit them. Probably why most are onlyfans models, the screen provides a degree of separation that allows them to be a bit more free than they normally would. If you forced them to be in the same room with their subs while they did what they did, they probably wouldn't be on onlyfans

A lot of agreement all around, but one of your first criticisms isn't the strongest I'll say. It may seem like a stretch to some, I get it, but part of what doesn't allow consent in regards to prostitution is the same regarding certain anti-discrimination laws we have regarding businesses choosing to interact with individuals or not. In the same way the famous court ruling on Jack Phillips' "Masterpiece Cake Shop" and the homosexual couple trying to get him to design a cake that supports their beliefs, because of anti-discrimination laws in America, it seems deeply questionable whether or not we as people have rights regarding who we do business with when on the side of the seller. If some of our anti-discrimination laws were amended that allowed for this process to exist, I could see a form of consent based prostitution rise, though ultimately it would still be open to some criticism because whether the woman gets paid or not is a matter of if they consent to sex with someone, so if they are desperate enough they could let it fly. But that ultimately isn't a criticism of the state or it's laws, it is a criticism of the typical state of mind most women who enter prostitution are in.

I guess then, that you are not much of a fan of the movie *"The Menu" (2022).* Ups, spoiler alert! My bad.

Been asking for the intercession of Saint Mary Magdalene patron saint of sexual temptation, people ridiculed for piety, women, penitent sinners, converts, and contemplative life; St. Agatha martyr of purity; St. Valentine patron saint of love, young people, and marriage; St. Mary of Egypt a sex addict turned saint; martyr St. Charles Lwanga; and St. Augustine of Hippo Doctor of Grace to our Lord Jesus for help with purity and chastity for us all! Been praying in my Rosary daily for years! Psalm 34:19 The Lord is close to the brokenhearted, saves those whose spirit is crushed. I believe God transforms our hearts so rather than be indifferent/use/manipulate/dominate each other, we have the ability by the power of the Holy Spirit because of what Jesus has done to actually truly love another. Matthew 5:27-28: "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart." If anyone is struggling, please know you are loved. And if anyone feels like your heart is breaking, if it means anything, I hope it can give you a little ease to know that in order for your heart to break, you must have love in your heart, which means you have so much love to give, and thank you for being so loving. All life is precious and priceless! Your life matters! No one can be a better you than you! I believe every single individual no matter our past or present story, which is informed by our personality, which is shaped by our faith, upbringing, tastes, culture, intelligence, finances, health, choices, traumas from the moment we were conceived, our life is a precious gift. The human person, having both body and spiritual and immortal soul, is only created for his or her sake, meaning he or she is not utility property. We were made in the image and likeness of God, who I believe to be Goodness, who is Love, which, imo, means each individual is made good, and is made to love and be loved. Hope you have a light-filled peaceful joyful week!

This is why I say I don't mind if a non-Christian wants to have a frivilous sex life, but that prostitution should still be illegal.

This is concerning

I agreed with this video, disagreed with his MMA video. The violence argument being my conviction. Can someone articulate to me the difference in the stances?

@NJWEBER18

3 күн бұрын

I may not articulate the difference but Trent did not claim that MMA is "Work", that challenging your employee to a fistfight is requesting a service, or that the PPE for MMA is sufficient for "Work". From a non-religious viewpoint, neither MMA nor Prostitution can be called work. The violence argument is fine for proving neither is work. As for Christian Morals, the violence argument is not as strong since self-defense, Just Wars, and Just Laws with punishments are violent but morally neutral/good.

@bradlygray1974

3 күн бұрын

@@NJWEBER18 Aye, but the promotion, capitalisation, and exploitation of pride, greed, and bloodlust definitely create a violent atmosphere at a MMA event. I agree with war and self defense, though those are in a separate category as to what was outlined. Maybe is was righteous to fight Hitler and liberate Europe, though to fight Connor McGregor in the name of economics feels... different. Martial Arts themselves as philosophy and self defense are a great part of anyone's life. A perversion of it in the name of worldly desire, like sex and prostitution, is the condemnable part. Of course, this is only how I feel and I really appreciate our interaction.

Who or what does give adults permission to use "adult language"?

"Sex work" is a grave sin, but that does not justify a government law prohibiting it for consenting adults that have freely chosen to engage in it. Prohibition on "sex work" is using violence against people that have not violated anyone else's rights, even though they are harming themselves and sinning against God. The government will kidnap them, lock them in a cage, and murder them if they resist. That's wrong. Christians shouldn't promote or encourage "sex work", but they also shouldn't ask the government to prohibit it. No Christian would dare intervene with violence on their own, so they shouldn't be asking the state to do it on their behalf. Violence is only justified in the defense of individual rights and a state prohibition on "sex work" isn't that.

@rusluck6620

3 күн бұрын

then don't outlaw the prostitutes, outlaw the pimps. Unless you want to legalize slavery

@FiatBurner

2 күн бұрын

@@rusluck6620 It's not slavery if a prostitute voluntarily accepts a job offer from a pimp and is able to quit at any time. If a pimp is using coercion and violence to prevent a prostitute from quitting, then yes that should be outlawed, but this also applies to the employee/employer relationship at any other job. It's the coercion and violence that should be outlawed, not the job itself. And ironically, pushing the job onto the black market ensures that coercion and violence will surround it, just like has been witnessed with other types of prohibition (drugs, alcohol, etc).

Looking at this from the point of view of "what is the nature of human law?" we get the story of St. Thomas Aquinas and the Saint King Louis of France considering whether to outlaw prostitution in the beloved city of Paris. Because human law must be enforceable (otherwise you create a new and even worse thing, a population of scoff-laws, citizens who ignore law) they accepted that this was a vital measure of whether or not a regulation was good law or bad law: enforceability. So these two saints decided to positively outlaw, pushing out prostitution for the rest of the city, but leaving it alone in one portion of the city (I don't know that they positively legalized it there, only that it was made positively illegal in the rest of Paris). Human Law by its nature must take into the account the level of vice or virtue of the citizens to whom it is applied. It is arrogant to dismiss the thinking of these two, especially that of Aquinas, to attempt a purist solutions. Yes, prostitution is intrinsically evil. But we cannot enact laws based solely on that. wish we could.

@partydean17

2 күн бұрын

Agreed but he does raise good points about the civil rights act of 1964 clause 2 in denial of services for discriminatory reasons and how OSHA is involved in potentially harmful substances and actions.

@pmlm1571

2 күн бұрын

@@partydean17 Yes, these are good points.

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@peanutbutterBrisket99

3 күн бұрын

so you support sex trafficking?

The society should get rid of porn and prostitution but i am still not convinced that outlawing it solves the problem.

@kaizer4506

3 күн бұрын

The problem can never be eradicated, but outlawing it would change the direction of our culture and greatly benefit all people, especially children

@POPS417

3 күн бұрын

I agree. It must be ground up moral education which seems extremely unlikely.

@CamiloSoares87

3 күн бұрын

It implies that the problem CAN be solved. It can't. But at least It can be minimized.

@ponti5882

3 күн бұрын

The fact that outlawing it may not “solve” the problem, meaning doesn’t eliminate it, is not the same as saying that it doesn’t reduce it, which it would. And has no bearing on the fact that it should be outlawed. Outlawing murder doesn’t end murder. But murder should still be illegal.

@POPS417

3 күн бұрын

@@ponti5882 good points

Prostitution is a grave sin, but that does not justify using violence against people that have voluntarily chosen to engage in the act and state law prohibiting prostitution *is* initiating violence against those people. The state will kidnap them, lock them in a cage, and kill them if they resist. Christians shouldn't promote or encourage prostitution, but they also shouldn't advocate initiating violence via state prohibition against those who engage in it.

May we come to a place where control over our bodies and sexual urges becomes a normal discussion point in our culture

@thebitterrootranger4405

2 күн бұрын

It's coming. It may not be mainstream yet but there are large pockets of people and media who are doing just that. Off the top of my head, the NoFap community springs to mind and Porn as the New Drug, both of which aren't religious in nature

@skylinefever

2 күн бұрын

@@quesostuff1009 I think about the people trying to make it easier with anti-h0rny tabs. Those should be a completely legal OTC tjing.

work /wûrk/ noun Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something. "Cleaning the basement was a lot of work." Such effort or activity by which one makes a living; employment. "looking for work." A trade, profession, or other means of livelihood. "His work is fixing cars." yep, its work. unhealthy and sinful, but work

@pmlm1571

3 күн бұрын

Really, what work does prostitution "accomplish" or "produce"? Sexual activity outside of marriage: if you think this is an accomplishment or an acceptable product, then you think well of the pornea condemned by the New Testament. Further, a common sense marker is whether the prostitute would perform the sex act if you didn't pay her. Whenever its "employer" and "employee", it's a power imbalance which deprives the "employee" of full ability to consent: so, not free. Further, she does it not to accomplish the purpose for which sex is designed--union of a man and woman from two into one physically/emotionally/spiritually and openess to new life--but to pay her bills. If her choice were truly free money would not be in the picture. Just how free is her choice. Be honest.

@jdotoz

3 күн бұрын

@@pmlm1571 The same thing as entertainment, and with many of the same problems as a lot of modern entertainment.

@donhaddix3770

2 күн бұрын

@@pmlm1571 the definition of work does not include value

@pmlm1571

2 күн бұрын

@@donhaddix3770 ok..?

Sex work is not real work. Being a landlord is, though. We need more protections for landlords and less for sex workers.

@MK_ULTRA420

3 күн бұрын

Depending on the property, being a landlord requires less work than sex work.

@jdotoz

3 күн бұрын

Managing a property is work. Owning it is not.

@Deuterocomical

3 күн бұрын

Don’t forgot to tip your landlord

@Annie-uz3ye

3 күн бұрын

Read the room

@karama5562

3 күн бұрын

This is just completely out of left field on a video about prostitution