Two of the biggest casualties of the LGBTQ movement are male friendships, and tomboys.

@kenzietyaga9035

18 күн бұрын

Male Friendship? I think you meant Femboys or Homosexuality

@Johnathan_Porkinstein

18 күн бұрын

And children

@Quekksilber

18 күн бұрын

@@kenzietyaga9035 He's talking about casualties...

@kenzietyaga9035

18 күн бұрын

@@Quekksilber oh wait yeah, my mistake

@Trumblocity

18 күн бұрын

And women and girls. Essentially, everyone.

I am utterly disgusted of how these people rush to imply brotherhood means erotic relationship.

@NGAOPC

18 күн бұрын

We’re not so far from it now; so muddled are their concepts of “kinds of love”, that varying by difference as well as degree is lost; “friends with benefits” is even a dated concept, “t’s all “love” now.

@supernerd8067

18 күн бұрын

I think this is a symptom of modern culture. Have seen how fandoms react to two characters of the same sex just getting along? Modern media, social awkwardness, the removal of the boundaries, and conflating all loves as the same makes people think genuine friendship is pretext for erotic love.

@NGAOPC

18 күн бұрын

In a way the confusion he gets into with the ruining of friendship also comes out in women commonly now expecting that a prospective husband must also be their “best friend” before considering proposals, etc - I really have to wonder how their actual BFFs would feel, having confided so much in them before the guy proposed and after, as she vacillated.

@johnisaacfelipe6357

18 күн бұрын

Its a degeneration of love, they eliminate so much of what it is and what it can be and collapse it all into eros that it ruins many lives and destroy many friendships. Homosexual Revisionists does violence against human love

@MauricioLSB

18 күн бұрын

You know I once told an lgbt peraon that God and Jesus loves them Response: "So God is queer" Implying that love meant sexual desire.

They can't conceive of a relationship that doesn't involve sex. Sad. 😢

@RodrigoMera

17 күн бұрын

Compulsive sexuality

@tookie36

17 күн бұрын

13:20 and yet Trent doesn’t think men and women can be friends alone… bc he can’t think of a relationship that doesn’t involve sex

@teamgab7432

17 күн бұрын

​@tookie36 His opinion was valid. he literally said "I" explaining that he doesn't spend time alone with other women due to sexual attraction(he is married). He is taking steps to protect his marriage. You are cherry picking anything you can find to try to discredit him. Tbh it's embarrassing

@tookie36

17 күн бұрын

@@teamgab7432 he said “I” after saying men and women are different. This is the standard line from catholic apologists. Pints with aquinas said the same thing. Men and women shouldn’t be friends as “just friends” especially while married. Which is fine for a personal life experience but nonsense when it comes to a theological teaching

@matthewcarver2013

17 күн бұрын

You people say the whole point of marriage is to create children through the act of sex, then because you also say gays can't reproduce so they aren't allowed to get married but now you're saying sex is irrelevant. I love the moving goalposts, just admit your opinion of gays is your own and you're just hiding behind religion. You just personally think they're "icky".

I understand Tren'ts frustation at this point. It's digusting how they try to twist the life of the saints for their degenerate agenda.

@pastorbri

17 күн бұрын

thats the homophobic agenda for u sadly

Unfortunately, the term, "daddy" can have sexual connotation. Imagine watching home movies of a family where the children call their father "daddy" and arguing that those children were in an innappropriate relationship with their father. Thats what is happening here.

@laurenweber6826

17 күн бұрын

👏👏👏

@wolfofthewest8019

17 күн бұрын

Once, at a party, I had a gay man tell me, after learning I'm Catholic, that the only difference between Catholics and gays is that we say "Father, forgive me" and they say "Daddy, I've been naughty." Then he laughed. I said, "No, the difference between us is that you think you're normal and I know you're a degenerate pervert." He stopped laughing.

@Gaz4113

17 күн бұрын

This is why I find calling God daddy as some priests do in sermons to help them understand the wording Jesus used during the our father, because Abba is essentially daddy. But that word now has terrible connotations.

@josephjackson1956

5 күн бұрын

There’s a reason the LGBT movement is twisted and their sexual actions are sinful.

The LGBT movement has absolutely destroyed male comradery. You can hardly hug another guy in public without people thinking "gay". Believe it or not, guys can show affection for one another without having sexual desires.

@christinavessel1779

17 күн бұрын

I agree this is getting way out of control to the point where everything that used to be considered compassionate is now considered gay.discusting 😢

@pastorbri

17 күн бұрын

And the homophobic movement has destroyed families and relationships .....guess thats better yes?

@jackieo8693

16 күн бұрын

Right

@pastorbri

15 күн бұрын

@@jackieo8693 yes we must help the homophobic community to repent and come back to christ.

@jackieo8693

15 күн бұрын

@@pastorbri yeah right. Keep up the insanity

> sighs < These people are so tiresome.

@God_my_Savior

18 күн бұрын

Amen to that

@pastorbri

17 күн бұрын

yes homophobics are

@StringofPearls55

17 күн бұрын

Soooo tiresome.

@pastorbri

17 күн бұрын

@@StringofPearls55 thats the homophobic community for u

Every time someone implies Frodo and Sam were more than just friends, an Ainur loses its wings.

@femaleKCRoyalsFan

17 күн бұрын

That’s one of the reasons I have a hard time listening to some of the audio commentary on the extended editions of the Lord of the rings DVDs, because the actor who is gay, who played the Christ figure Gandalf, was so happy when Sam touched Frodo’s hand. this man is gay, He’s a homosexual that thinks that Sam and Frodo are gay because that’s the way his demented brain works.

@wanderingthedesert5599

17 күн бұрын

You mean they aren't Joe Biden supporters? Oh man, I'm so confused!

@sandstorm7768

17 күн бұрын

It's headshake worthy. Sam fantasizes about Rosie and has children with her, and Frodo (to my knowledge) has no sexual thoughts about anyone.

@VanchaMarch2

17 күн бұрын

The singular form is Ainu :) Ainur is plural

@bigfootapologetics

16 күн бұрын

@@VanchaMarch2 Okay, nerd! (((THANK YOU.)))

I completely understand why homosexual people have a hard time imagining 2 men cant love each other deeply without being sexual. It's the same thing as how some men don't think they can have a relationship with a woman without being sexual. It is a lust problem.

@femaleKCRoyalsFan

17 күн бұрын

I’m sure there’s some people that think Han Solo and Luke Skywalker can’t be good friends and care about each other

@Oh-God-Of-All-Creation

17 күн бұрын

@@femaleKCRoyalsFan I'm not a fan of star wars so I really can't understand your example. I'm raised in a society with no homosexuality so I see this phenomena in straight men and women where just normal friendship are viewed in sexual ways

@pastorbri

17 күн бұрын

lust is a sin but love is not is the difference

@sandstorm7768

17 күн бұрын

Exactly.

@pastorbri

16 күн бұрын

@@sandstorm7768 Many gay men love other men non sexually old bean

"Those who cannot conceive friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a friend." C. S. Lewis Edit: I commented this before finishing the video. I should've known Trent would have noted it!

@TheCounselofTrent

17 күн бұрын

haha beat you to it! -Vanessa

@Teuts2000

16 күн бұрын

This rings so true today. I also suspect in today's times, "father" could be substituted for friend in many cases.

Hey Trent! Thanks for rebutting the nonsense of the people who attempt to rewrite the history of Christianity. God bless.

@joshuataylor3550

18 күн бұрын

Hi Daniel, I'm sorry that reality is so hard to swallow. I hope you find the truth one day.

@Daniel-sy6uj

18 күн бұрын

​@@joshuataylor3550I'm perfectly in reality! God bless 😊

@Maryismymom2

18 күн бұрын

​@joshuataylor3550 I'm sorry it's hard for you to swallow that homosexuality is a mortal sin. The Bible doesn't change because of your opinion, Have a great day.

@RationalistMH

18 күн бұрын

@@Maryismymom2 'Mortal sin' or 'sin' in general means nothing to people who aren't theists.And given that the West is rapidly secularizing every passing day, your words will continue to have less and less impact on people's lives, and this must be hard to come to terms with. How else will insecure people get to satisfy their superiority complexes?

@asamanthinketh5944

18 күн бұрын

@@RationalistMH What does this have to do with anything related to the comment thread or video, lmao

This guy only trying to convince himself. The fact that homosexuality is a grave sin is an infallible dogma.

@ironymatt

18 күн бұрын

If he were only trying to convince himself it wouldn't be any soul but his own being put into jeopardy. He's guilty of actively perpetuating the confusion, and while I don't doubt that on some level he actually believes his own bovine excrement, it doesn't get him off the hook. Ignorance isn't an indefinite excuse for spiritual blindness.

@wanderingthedesert5599

17 күн бұрын

It's not homosexuality per se, though I would consider that it represents temptation, rather it's the act of sodomy. The modern understanding of homosexuality is same sex attraction, vs. the older form which is what you're using; i.e. a homosexual is a sodomite. Barring that, I completely agree with you that this guy is desperately trying to rationalize his temptation (assuming he's not a sodomite) by committing another grievous sin; bearing false witness, in this case against God's Holy Ones, and then by extension, God Himself.

@pastorbri

17 күн бұрын

no homophobia is a grave sin. Always was.

@nickw9766

17 күн бұрын

@@pastorbri huh? Not sure that I understand your post

@nickw9766

17 күн бұрын

@@pastorbri btw, catechism disagrees with you in fact it says it is a grave depravity.

6:21 "They're turning the frickin' frogs gay!" - Alex Jones 🐸

People always use these mental gymnastics to try to justify their sinful ways.

@jhoughjr1

18 күн бұрын

My mom's "I'm not the one who is married so I'm not committing adultery" is my favorite.

@RationalistMH

18 күн бұрын

Unlike you, of course, the holier than thou Catholic informing us of how depraved those 'people' are.

@twitherspoon8954

18 күн бұрын

_"...these mental gymnastics..."_ LOL, from someone who literally worship cannibalism and propitiatory human sacrifice based solely on a fictional character.

@TitusCastiglione1503

17 күн бұрын

@@twitherspoon8954…. are you ok?

@twitherspoon8954

17 күн бұрын

@@TitusCastiglione1503 Are you denying that the literal worship of propitiatory human sacrifice is the core tenet of Christianity? You know... that cross thing and John 3:16. Paul created Christianity in 48 AD and this is how he put it: "He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all." (Romans 8:32) "Christ our passover is sacrificed for us." (1 Corinthians 5:7) "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement." (Romans 3:25) "God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us." (Romans 5:8) "We are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ." (Hebrews 10:10)

I've seen a lot of people try to do this in fiction as well. Especially with Frodo and Sam from Lord of the Rings. Like, have y'all never had a homie you'd go on an adventure and carry up a mountain for???

@TheCounselofTrent

18 күн бұрын

You’re right about that! -Vanessa

@eddardgreybeard

18 күн бұрын

Nah, all they can think is brokeback mountain

@claybahl5107

8 күн бұрын

Love the way you phrased this hahaha. My adventure homie is significantly more athletic than me which means I could only carry him emotionally while he could also throw me up the mountain physically lol

I remember seeing a rainbow as a child and being so exited. I can’t stand looking at one nowadays

@darlajzorn4849

17 күн бұрын

I still LOVE to see God's rainbow in the sky because that rainbow IS His. The promise that He made is still present in that rainbow, and even the LBGTQ+ movement cannot take God's rainbow away. All they can do is try to copy it, which they have, but their rainbow is not as bright or translucent as God's. But you are right in the fact that their rainbow is sickening and disgusting and one can't even stand to look at them plastered all over the place. I used to love buying rainbow stickers and drawing rainbows and now I'm afraid to use any sort of rainbow whatsoever because I never ever want to be misunderstood as being in support of that movement. It is sad that they had to choose to use a copycat version of God's rainbow as their symbol. But that is what the devil does....copies in a sick way everything that God has created. The devil has his time now, but I look forward to the day when he will be forever defeated.

@MFVyoshinator7

17 күн бұрын

Me too, which is sad because rainbows are supposed to represent God's covenant with us.

@shy_gxx

17 күн бұрын

I like rainbows, no matter how much annoying people want to shove their opinion onto me. Rainbows stay a natural phenomenon, whether we make it a symbol or not.

@chefEmersonWilliams

14 күн бұрын

The "Pride" movement tends to have only 6 colors in the rainbow, when it should have 7. "7" is the representation of perfection in the Bible, and "6" is associated with the evil one.

@shy_gxx

14 күн бұрын

@@chefEmersonWilliams Superstitions that drive people crazy

Ugh, Mason Mennenga. Good on you for rebutting his blatant revisionist nonsense Trent

@user-jy6hd9uw8h

13 күн бұрын

Sheesh I'm familiar with you and the Lutheran anime girl haha Always nice to see you in random Christian channel

Yet if we were to revise established Gay history, we would be attacked wouldn’t we? The double standard is infuriating

@bennygohome4576

18 күн бұрын

If they didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have any

@ironymatt

18 күн бұрын

@@bennygohome4576 a double standard is no standard at all, so yeah... they've got no standards

This reminds me of the argument that Christ himself was gay. Because Saint John was his "beloved" and he left him to care for his mother. They'll latch onto anything.

@asunder6797

2 күн бұрын

As will all people.

No the Early Christians did not! The Early Christians believed the same as the Jews that Marriage was a sacred covenant or a sacrament between God, Man, and Woman for the purposes of worship and procreation.

Short answer to video question: No Long Answer: Absolutely not

Adelphopoesis was also practiced by nobles in many other countries, in truth it's mostly was a get out of "supporting the state by leaving your estate witouth an heir" card, by finding someone who is of noble blood and who may sire offspring and thus gift that "brother of yours" in wealth, ofc I'm not of the byzantine rite and I only studied it as a medieval (and pre civil state) law to fix inheritance issues. Buuut if you would have a relationship with your brother in blood you are sick. Also, having a deep and caring friendship, being interpreted as gay is showing how few deep friendships they had.

@suburbanbanshee

18 күн бұрын

Oh, this makes a lot of sense. It seems to have started as a way for soldiers to provide for that unmarried sister left back home, or to leave their stuff to a battle buddy if they didn't survive. (And as a Christian version of the pagan blood brotherhood practiced by various steppe tribes.) But obviously it would be valuable for people with a lot more stuff, also.

@t.j.armendariz354

17 күн бұрын

@@suburbanbansheeI was about to mention, it came as a Christian version of the blood brotherhood ceremonies used to cement treaties etc

I'm so grateful that I grew up in a family with cultural roots in Italy. It has always been completely normal for us to greet friends with hugs and kisses on the cheek. Of course it has always left me baffled at this "ermagerd that's gay" mentality that's so common here in the US since that was never part of my experience growing up. It comes across as very insecure about one's sexuality to accuse men of being gay just because they have affection for one another. My best friend and I call each other "brothers" and have always given each other big old hugs and cheek kisses and cried on each others' shoulders when we were going through emotional hardships. Nothing gay about it. It makes me sad for people who don't have these kinds of friendships because it must be very difficult feeling like you can't have that type of relationship to help you get through the troubles in life. Who do such people reach out to when they are suffering? No one? Do they simply suffer alone? It's very sad. Edit: I'd also note that there is a complete double standard here. Women who are friends call each other "girlfriends" and give each other hugs and kisses and will hold hands and go to the bathroom together, etc., and no one bats an eye over it, but if two men do anything even remotely similar they must be gay.

I think in the medieval era the word "gay" meant "cheerful"

@RomanDiaries

11 күн бұрын

Gay meant "happy" as recently as the 50s-60s.

@sunnyjohnson992

7 күн бұрын

@@RomanDiariesYep, just like the theme song from The Flintstones. “We’ll have a Gay Ole time.”

@michaelhaywood8262

3 күн бұрын

@@RomanDiaries Correct, it is from 'gaiety', which in turn is from 'gaudete' [to rejoice].

@michaelhaywood8262

3 күн бұрын

Correct, it is from 'gaiety', which in turn is from 'gaudete' [to rejoice]. IDK when the meaning changed, although language does evolve. It may have been in the 1970s, my father, at the time ran a small business which sold, among other things, greeting cards. He had to withdraw from sale and destroy some invitation cards which said ''Please come to a Gay Party'' due to the change in meaning. Similarly there used to be a hymn sang in church which contained the line ''May we be in season grave and in season gay''. That certainly can no longer be used, it would no longer fit the tune if the wording was changed.

I'd also like to point out that even if this had happened, that wouldn't have legitimized it. It's repeatedly condemned in Scripture.

@TheCounselofTrent

18 күн бұрын

Interesting point! -Vanessa

@ddrse

18 күн бұрын

​@@TheCounselofTrentactually upon closer inspection those verses describe the fellowship you find yourself in. Who you are authentically is actively being dominated by the ideal you. That's the bad kind of ss relationship the Bible is talking about. Is Jesus your husband? Because you're cheating on him.

@t.j.armendariz354

18 күн бұрын

@@ddrsecan you explain your comment because it makes no sense

@ddrse

18 күн бұрын

@@t.j.armendariz354 people want to be the best. And when they find out what God's best is they become ashamed and try to become like that thing. It's called Falling for unrealistic standards. God gives without measure to those who Trust him. As for those who want God's measure they trust the serpent. The bringer of knowledge

@ddrse

18 күн бұрын

@@t.j.armendariz354 who do you think Trent trusts? God.... or the serpent?

When will they understand that we love them, even if they are gay. We want the best for them, and in spirituality, that means abandoning homosexuality. This is not homophobia, all of us have flaws that must be washed away and repented over. Come, lost lambs, come to the green pastures side by side with our shepard.

@God_my_Savior

18 күн бұрын

Amen they just don’t get it because they are all brainwashed

@t.j.armendariz354

17 күн бұрын

You might want to improve your wording, morally there is nothing wrong with experiencing same sex attractions as they are unchosen, the sin and therefore what must be rejected is acting upon ut

@mcfarvo

17 күн бұрын

​@@t.j.armendariz354even to look with lust is adultery according to Jesus Christ, so even a mere thought can be sinful, so be wary.

@t.j.armendariz354

17 күн бұрын

@@mcfarvo yes, however sin requires choice, the simple inclination of “I’m attracted to this person” is not a choice, it’s what you do with that choice, otherwise every time you see a woman and are attracted to her, that too would be lust, the key is in are you dwelling on it and fantasizing and desiring, or are you moving past and denying that desire The thing is there is a difference between lust which is a choice and attraction which is an involuntary reaction

@GooberD

17 күн бұрын

@@t.j.armendariz354 Thank you for the correction

Christ is King.

EVEN if Saints Sergius and Baccus were gay (which I think is obviously false), you could very easily argue their martyrdom washed away their sins of homosexuality. This means the example fails on all fronts.

@ddrse

18 күн бұрын

You can be LGBT and Christian 👨‍❤️‍👨

@t.j.armendariz354

17 күн бұрын

@@ddrsedefine what you mean by that

@ddrse

17 күн бұрын

@@t.j.armendariz354 I'm just here to discuss the literature with you. I'm not a religious person. According to the literature what is Christ like is what's rejected by religious people for not following their religious laws. I find no fault with the LGBT whatsoever. What have they done? what say you?

@antonioporras3029

17 күн бұрын

​@ddrse they violate God's law Jesus didn't come to abolish anything but rather to fulfill them and allow their true expression to come through from his sacrifice on the cross, salvation now comes from keeping Christ's laws and obedience to his commandments, Christ is not some rebel fighting the power of religious authority, he came to tear down hypocrites who twisted God's laws,

@mcfarvo

17 күн бұрын

Woah woah woah, you claim that the work of "martyrdom" will "wash away sin" in some way, but does that run contrary to what we know of soteriology based upon the Bible as it tells us the only thing that washes away sin is the blood of Christ? ✝️ Only God forgives sins and only the works of God, that being the incarnate Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, are the works that wash us and sanctify us. The act of dying for our faith in no way washes away any sin.

I am a male suffering SSA and while attending Catholic support groups like desert stream, I noticed some kind of a trend: Male with SSA often (not always) came from a background where the love and affection of a father is absent from their childhood. Hence, this craving of love from a male. Then it got tangled and SSA people tended to sexualise these cravings. But we did not realise that there is always a Father who loves us so much since we were born into this world, our Heavenly Father.

@TheCounselofTrent

17 күн бұрын

Thanks for sharing your perspective! -Vanessa

@claybahl5107

8 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing your experience, and amen! I hope you're finding all the peace and and encouragement you need in the support groups and local Catholic community. Praying for you, brother :)

@kamikuru4014

6 күн бұрын

dafuq is ssa?

without understanding the causes of homosexual inclinations, it is hard to know whether they were just as common in the past as they are now. The world today is very different than it was before; industrial revolution exposing to chemicals and pollutants most of humanity didn't deal with before, sedentary lifestyles, diet changes, different roles for men/women, co-ed schooling, common presence of sexualized images in culture, etc., if any of those things are impacting the development of the brain and sexual identity, then it is going to be hard to prove that what we are seeing today with the development of such inclinations in people was still happening in the same way thousands of years ago.

@irienerd8178

18 күн бұрын

Just the idea you've placed here is a sin because it assumes God can be wrong depending on time as if He isn't all-knowing. A sin is a sin regardless of the time in history we find ourselves in and no excuse will save someone unwilling to repent. If anything the age of information means almost NO ONE can claim ignorance of God's laws as the information is at anyone's fingertips. Each person will have to answer for their life which means none of the excuses you listed will do. Those who contributed to this disgusting lifestyle by creating/compounding the issues with their ideologies (sexual revolution, freemasonry, communism et. al.)/products (birth control, porn, medications, etc.) will have to answer for their individual sins. This is the problem with many people (yourself included), you believe you will be judged as a "group" under the idea of "if and then". "IF I watched porn, but I didn't make the porn myself, THEN God won't punish me for my sin..." as if God will excuse any mortal sin done willingly without repentance. God is unchanging as are His laws, it is OUR obligation to bend to HIS WILL regardless of what point in History we are in and grow in our faith so we aren't deceived into excusing our sinful behavior. To believe we can be released of our sins by some "loophole" means we don't serve God but our own sin-prone will. Please stop making excuses as it will only lead to eternal damnation and educate yourself.

@t.j.armendariz354

17 күн бұрын

Considering Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece, they were quite common, perhaps even more so, also most schooling was done at home until recently so it was co-ed

@user-nj1rc9hk4h

17 күн бұрын

@@t.j.armendariz354 Rome and Greece were not gay cultures as the common stereotype wants it. Gay relationships were considered a decadent condition of mind and the sex among two men absolutely a sign of turning them to women.

@t.j.armendariz354

17 күн бұрын

@@user-nj1rc9hk4h having spend a fair degree of time studying Ancient Greece and Rome, while much of society makes it out as constant, every day occurrences, men “topping” boys of lower social stature was relatively common in the upper escalóns, along with many other perversions. One Roman emperor found a boy who looked like a wife he had had killed, and so dressed the boy up as a woman and “married” “her”, and as Trent and Michael point out in the longer video they did, at one point debauchery was common enough that one historian wrote of a city that “here they do not yet have s*x in the streets”

@user-nj1rc9hk4h

17 күн бұрын

@@t.j.armendariz354 none of these practices were considered ''normal'', but decadent practices. I am against the stereotypical thought spread throughout the world that ''romans and, especially, greeks were gays''. This is a myth based on nothing at all, no evidence at all. Anglosaxon world was and is deeply puritanical, i.e. sex-centered with a paranoid way, and created these myths against foreign cultures. This is unacceptable and wrong.

I'll say what I said after watching your stream with IP on this video. Skillet is dope, I don't care what the mullet man says.

@pdxnikki1

18 күн бұрын

IP is based. I've learned life changing things from him.

@sergesavard636

18 күн бұрын

What do you expect from someone who thinks the anus is a sex organ.

@supernerd8067

17 күн бұрын

Skillet is dope! No argument here, fellow enjoyer.

3:13. The insistence on conflating the fight against racism with biblically defined sin is astounding. But I guess it's been stunningly effective so far.

Grasping at straws. More likely the history of male friendship was often one of extemely close bonds which has become less common in modern times. My own opinion. Someone else mentioned Frodo and Sam in LotR. As a child I remember other men and boys mocking their relationship whereas I saw this relationship as something to aspire to. edit: I commented before Trent had concluded his point about friendships. I think it's a great idea

Saw you on InspiringPhilosohy, as someone with homosexual temptations I'm glad you're out here preaching the biblical view

I grew up making more friendships with women than men and CONSTANTLY "OOH y'all goin' out?" Hated it.

"People sinned in the past, therefore when we do the same sins now, that means it's not a sin." Pffft 😂

@mcfarvo

17 күн бұрын

And no evidence that what they cited was even the sin he is trying to justify now anyhow

@FleurPillager

17 күн бұрын

Like people who read stories about King Solomon in the Old Testament and think that means God wants us to be as rich as he was. It's a story from the ancient world, not instructions how to live.

@user-jy6hd9uw8h

13 күн бұрын

​@@FleurPillager I think Ecclesiastes (Solomon's writings) would throw the idea of "getting rich" out of the window haha

Awesome video! God bless you and your family Trent🙏

@TheCounselofTrent

18 күн бұрын

We appreciate your support! -Vanessa

@ddrse

18 күн бұрын

@@TheCounselofTrent subscribed

The reason that the story of Ss. Sergius and Bacchus talks about chastity so much, is that Roman soldiers at the time were not supposed to get married until after they had finished their service years (I think 20), and could not get legally married until they got out. Most soldiers either went to brothels or took concubine wives, whom they might legally marry later, and with whom they often had kids. Concubines weren't considered fitting for high-status officers, though, who were supposed to wait and legally marry nice girls from nice knight- or senatorial-level families, before continuing their political careers. The story portrays both men as having risen high in the ranks while still too young to marry legally, so we don't know if they (or their families) had any fiancees in mind. But the point was that, as Christians, they couldn't be doing anything without a Christian marriage; and in general, the Church did not like to go against the secular law in this kind of matter. So a Christian soldier had to prepare to be chaste for a long time, and thus there are early comparisons between Christian soldiers and monks, as both being spiritual athletes who had to avoid sex while "in training." The bit where the emperor makes the guys wear women's clothing as a disgrace, is probably taken over from much later stories of stuff that Emperor Julian the Apostate did to Christian soldiers, because Julian was kinda stupid about that. Other emperors were more careful about how they treated members of their bodyguard, just in case the rest of the bodyguard decided to kill them instead of guarding them, like the Praetorian Guard used to do. (Which was why a different group was doing the guarding for Galerius, and why other different bodyguard units would later replace this one.)

He’s literally the guy in elementary school who called you and your homie gay because he didn’t have any friends

@user-jy6hd9uw8h

13 күн бұрын

Savage!

i was just reading Plato's Symposium last night, this guy couldn't be more wrong about history

@ironymatt

18 күн бұрын

It's scary to think that some unsuspecting kid could hear this guy and think he's an authority on historical matters of any kind, let alone presuming to somehow magically know that the innermost thoughts and feelings of ancient peoples were really just like his own immature and perverse ones

@Pospolite-Ruszenie

13 күн бұрын

Well you would just be wrong. Comparing modern people to ancient peoples is just wrong. We are similar on a basic sense but the way we live our lives varies greatly for region to region and time to time.

Chronological ethnocentrism twists truth to any conclusion you want.

This man drags the name of two Christian saints through the mud because he refuses to see the Truth. That’s sinful. ❤️‍🔥

Man the mental gymnastics the alphabet mob tries to perform can truly astounding....

@dyzmadamachus9842

17 күн бұрын

Alphabet mob xD Gonna steal that, may come in handy at some point

Sergius and Bacchus were the number one and number two commanders of the Scholas Gentilium, who were the imperial bodyguards at the time. If they had been doing each other, that would have been a violation of conduct, and also corrupt dealing. Yet they are portrayed as being excellent soldiers and commanders, to the point that they are compared to shining stars. Their household servants are so loyal that they come with them to try and help. They had several visions of angels encouraging them to persevere and come work for the heavenly court (not to mention Sergius singing psalms as cadence calls while running in shoes with spiked nails inside them). They are praised for being pure, and they tell other people to live morally pure lives as well as ceasing to be pagan. Voices from Heaven praise them publicly, so that even the pagans hear. After all this, there's one scene where Sergius is depressed that his exec Bacchus died first, and Bacchus appears to him to cheer him up. And Sergius does cheer up, and goes to martyrdom cheerfully (with the cadence call), and gets accused of sorcery because he gets miraculously healed after all this miraculous running. It is a bad joke to portray them as gay lovers. They are supposed to be examples of military officers who are enthusiastic Christians (and enthusiastic psalm singers and orators). They are also a warning that sometimes other friends whom one has helped will not return that loyalty, as the imperial governor who tortures and executes them is the same (pagan) friend whom Sergius recommended for the job.

members of this community must understand that two men or women are not in a spiritual relationship but carnal. A spiritual relationship is trusting God in his healing and blessing through the sacraments of His Church

When you love somebody because of sex, then you need to re-questioning your “love”.

Hallelujah!!! I’m favored and blessed with $60,000 every week! Now I can afford anything and also support the work of God and the church.

@AvaSmith-fe8kw

17 күн бұрын

Oh really? Tell me more!

@ChristianCruz-ii7oq

17 күн бұрын

This is what Ana Graciela Blackwelder does, she has changed my life.

@ChristianCruz-ii7oq

17 күн бұрын

After raising up to 60k trading with her, I bought a new house and car here in the US and also paid for my son’s (Oscar) surgery. Glory to God.shalom.

@AvaSmith-fe8kw

17 күн бұрын

what’s her contact information?

@RyanHall-qm2ye

17 күн бұрын

You work for 40 years to have 1 million dollars in your retirement. Meanwhile, some people are investing just $10,000 in a meme coin for a few months, sometimes less, and now they’re billionaires. I pray that anyone reading this will be successful in life.

Trent going hard on this. "Noo, fake persecution is when you think people are trying to commit genocide against you because they simply won't go along with the mistaken idea that a woman can have a penis" I'm here for it!

Trent (or Vanessa, whoever’s reading), could you do an episode about how marriage is good for women? I really enjoyed the “marriage is good for men” episode, and I’d love to hear the argument from the other side

@user-jy6hd9uw8h

13 күн бұрын

Commenting for the algorithm! Have you tried searching in other Catholic circles?

thank you for your videos Trent, i grew up Catholic but strayed away from it as i got older. recently i’ve been coming back to it and your videos are helping a lot as i try to decide between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. no matter which i pick i think ill always be able to come back to your videos. keep it up!!

@TheCounselofTrent

17 күн бұрын

Thank you so much for your support! -vanesss

Whoever is doing the thumbnails is doing a great job 👍🏻

@TheCounselofTrent

18 күн бұрын

Thank you for the feedback! -Vanessa

@ddrse

18 күн бұрын

Stay tuned Trent May Come out.

God bless brother Trent. Amazing video per usual and I especially enjoyed your conversation with Mike Jones on this topic. I was wondering if there was any way I could get in contact with you to seek advice on joining another church, etc. As I stand now I'm non denominational, but I'm also living a life that isn't glorifying God because of unrepentant sins. Thank you and keep up the great work.

@TheCounselofTrent

18 күн бұрын

Thank you for your comment and support! -Vanessa

@loosetube5417

15 күн бұрын

Hey bro, I'm not Trent, but I'd recommend you just find the nearest English-speaking Orthodox Church near you, start going on Sunday, make sure to stay for lunch and any classes/discussions the priest has! Spending time in serious prayer and worship will help you develop spiritually, big time. If you're more persuaded by the western church's historical claims (Papacy, etc) - then a Byzantine Catholic church has the same liturgy, fasting practices, etc as the Orthodox Church :)

@LadiacureBones

11 күн бұрын

@@loosetube5417 Thank you very much brother, tbh, I'm not really sure what to believe in terms of sacraments, practices, and whatnot. If anything, I'm just trying to find a new church where I can grow more since I don't feel myself growing at my current one. I'm also looking for one where I can get advice, counselling and mental help regarding sinful behaviors and my destructive ways of thinking. I'm not opposed to either denomination, Catholicism or Orthodox because in the end, I know we're all brothers and sisters in Christ.

Excellent response as always.

@TheCounselofTrent

18 күн бұрын

Thank you! We appreciate your support! -Vanessa

I actually attended a week day mass where a baby-boomer deacon gave a homily trying to saying that St. John Bosco was gay. I was livid.

This was great! Thank you for being firm Trent

All one has to do is look at the bonds of friendship formed by men in the military, especially if they serve in combat together. They are brothers in arms bonded for life in blood and truly love one another, but that doesn’t mean they are sexually attracted to each other.

You're right Trent, now they're saying Bert and Ernie are gay. 😢 Anything with two men are suddenly gay now with no regard to the original's artist's intent or wishes.

@TheCounselofTrent

17 күн бұрын

You’re very right about that! -Vanessa

Thank you Trent. Great video, God bless🙏

Thank you Trent. A much needed video for today. God Bless you Brother.

Happy solemnity of st john the baptist everyone

TLDR; No

13:20 what?!? That’s insane. Christian men aren’t suppose to be alone with women platonically ?

@Spicypapi333

16 күн бұрын

I think it’s nonsense too. I experience SSA but I’m rarely attracted to women however by his logic I’m not supposed to have any friends because I’m attracted to women and men are attracted to me…

@tookie36

16 күн бұрын

@@Spicypapi333 right? Trent blames LGBT agendas for sexualizing everything and then sexualizes men and women friendships. It’s wild that this has become normalized in Christian circles

Not only is he justifying gay relationships, but his arguments could also be used to justify incest.

Videos looking slick these days

Hey now, I love Skillet! Was hoping that Trent would defend them at the beginning of the video there 😂

@TheCounselofTrent

17 күн бұрын

You and me both! 🤔😂 justice for skillet! -vane (:

Background looks awesome!

@TheCounselofTrent

18 күн бұрын

We are glad you like it! -Vanessa

9/10, if someone doesn't understand deep, meaningful, platonic friendships, he was done dirty by Uncle Bad-Touch, or someone similar. I know this isn't a polite way to say that, but the m-word can get a comment deleted.

I visited the local Georgian Orthodox Church where my friend goes and I was struck by how affectionately tactile the Georgian men were with one another without being remotely effeminate. I had recently learned that pride parades are absolutely not tolerated in Georgia, which really added to my existing suspicion that this movement (which I used to support and identify with before Christ illuminated my own confusion) has sexualised natural masculine affection in the minds of modern men. Here were men from a relatively unaffected culture being more affectionate than any I had seen before. I also heard a long time ago that men in Britain were quite affectionate and would even hold hands until Oscar Wilde went to prison and they worried about being mistaken for homosexuals. I haven't fact checked that though.

Trying to rewrite homosexuality into Christian history AND insulting Skillet's music? How dare he! "Wishful thinking." That's exactly what queer historical revisionism is, just wishful thinking. If these men were gay, the words used to describe their relationship would be EXPLICITLY, INARGUABLY gay terms, not words that mean "supposedly, possibly gay." I see this erasure of platonic friendships in much of the media I consume. If two characters of the same sex have anything in common, everyone jumps to saying "oh! They must be gay! Quick, let's draw art of them kissing and write erotic about them!" It is desperate to say the least.

Thanks much for this video.

10:50 I don't like how he purposefully frames his sentence here. "However regardless if you believe Sergius and Bacchus were g*y l*vers or not..." where the presumption is "yes they were."

@dyzmadamachus9842

17 күн бұрын

This sentence sounds to me like a "get out of jail card". It's basically a "maybe (probably?) it's not true, I still want to make my point".

Hey Trent could you make a video talking about the Dead Sea Scrolls?

@TheCounselofTrent

17 күн бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion! -Vanessa

Thank God for you and your work Trent. Millions of us mourn these things as well

this shouldve been obvious but… no they didn’t.

Thank you Lord for having you doing this video!

We should bring back orthodox adelphopoesis as a chaste counterexample to gay relationships.

Still waiting for any religion to prove the existence of any supernatural being or beings. Until then any assertions without proof can be dismissed as worthless.

@Malygosblues

Күн бұрын

Alright. Was the beginning of material existence the result of a reaction or an action?

@asunder6797

2 сағат бұрын

@@Malygosblues Depends who you ask. Some would say the cosmos was never created that it always existed in one form or another, others would say a creator of one form or another but disagree on its characteristics, A solipsist would say its a creation of his own mind and nothing actually exist except itself. Etc., etc. Seem that an action would require a reaction and a reaction would be caused by an action. Seems irrelevant to ask that question about a merry go round.

This was a good rebuttal. I think it also helps to look at the actual text of the rite of Adelphopoeisis, because that's where Boswell, et al, produce the red-herring of the equating of "genesthai/γενέσθαι" ("belong," cf. Rom. 7:4: "belong to another [ie. Christ]" [RSVCE]) which is used in the original Greek text with "genetai/γένηται" ("marry," cf. Rom. 7:3: "if she marries another man" [RSVCE]), arguing for a skewed translation owing to the same root.

The pictures are being observed through "modern eyes." Those icons are still pictures which are trying to indicate their intense love or friendship for each other in a "moment caught in time." Think about our photos today. Rarely would we photograph two unrelated men embracing. We would be more comfortable with two women doing this, at least we were until the LGBTQ agenda made its mark on our society. But also, reflect on our movies, even now. It is not abnormal to see men who are good friends embrace or even sometimes kiss each other (say on the forehead) in a movie. We are just used to having our "pictures" move so we see the whole context of the moment. This is where those who look back into the ancient past will make mistakes because they are judging with a modern frame of reference.

@TheCounselofTrent

18 күн бұрын

Very true! -Vanessa

Trent, I ask this as a Lutheran, so there is my background/bias out of the way! I love your content, and I think it would be fascinating to see you compare various Protestant traditions by degree of error in your eyes. While I’m sure you see all these “Departed Brethren” as theologically misguided, I’d find it fascinating to see your unique and wonderful style lay out how much more similar classical Protestants like Lutherans and Anglicans are to your faith than more contemporary Evangelical groups like Baptists, much less fully far-gone groups like Pentecostals and Non-Denominationals that academics should frankly stop labeling as Protestant.

@dyzmadamachus9842

17 күн бұрын

When I saw how Lutheran and and Catholic liturgical services are similar in their looks (the vestments e.g.) I was astonished.

@fighterofthenightman1057

17 күн бұрын

@@dyzmadamachus9842 Honestly, historically Protestant services weren’t much different. Lutheran and Anglican ones were REALLY similar to Catholic Mass, but even Presbyterian, Congregationalist, Methodist, etc. liturgy wasn’t THAT different. Baptists really abandoned all tradition about 30 years ago, and all of the contemporary Evangelicals further abandoned their heritages after that.

Well done video.

@TheCounselofTrent

18 күн бұрын

Thank you! -Vanessa

It is no great revelation that humans engaging in perversity is as old as humanity itself.

I’m sorry but I’m dying at the thumbnail 😭😭😭 it’s just so bizarre it’s funny

It seems Trent turned into Spicy Trent when talking about David and Jonathan, lol.

Hi Trent! Can you do video about ateist arguments tierlist from Alex O Connor

@TheCounselofTrent

17 күн бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion! -Vanessa

Idk if Trent Horn is a fan of DBZ or is just familiar with it. I’m curious 🧐

@lonelyberg1808

15 күн бұрын

C-17

The Pillar & Ground of Truth by Pavel Florensky, the Da Vinci of Eastern Orthodoxy, gives an excellent description of actual adelphopoesis which was practiced in the Easterm Church up until the 20th Century...so we have literal modern examples of the practice to reference.

so if i love my Christian brother and we have a close bond of friendship then according to these people i am in a gay relationship? 🧐

@lulud7540

17 күн бұрын

Describe your "close bond of friendship" with your brother.

@robdee81

17 күн бұрын

@@lulud7540 sigh so youre one of them revisionists huh? close bond of friendship as in brotherly / best friend. The clue is in the word Friendship.

If someone is truly interested in understanding the earl church practices regarding same sex unions, I would highly recommend John Boswell's book "Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe." This book is well researched by Mr. Boswell who obtained access to very early manuscripts and was able to read them in their original language as he was fluent in 17 languages. He was well respected for his academic credentials and was the chairman of the Yale University history department. Incidentally he received many literary awards for his noted book. It is important when listening to podcasts that the credentials of the podcaster be researched so that his/her opinions can be trusted.

One big problem today is that love is often reduced to romantic love. When people talk about love, they mostly think about romantic relationships. Another issue is how friendships are portrayed. In movies and shows, when there are two friends of the same sex, fans or society often try to turn it into a romantic relationship, or "ship" it, instead of recognizing and valuing it as a friendship.

@TheCounselofTrent

17 күн бұрын

Thank you for your insights! -Vanessa

Great video

@TheCounselofTrent

17 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! -vanesss

Thank you Trent for speaking the Truth. I appreciate your hard work, and wonderful God-given talents.

@TheCounselofTrent

17 күн бұрын

Thank you for your support! -Vanessa

The miseducation of Gen Z… wow. They will try to argue anything with zero evidence.

That guy with the glasses is clearly not a man who cares about truth.

It must be a very sad existence on this planet to have almost every aspect of one's life and outlook be consumed and formulated by what gets one off sexually. There is SO much more to life than sex.

The guy doesn't even know about Emperor Theodosius I, or the Edict of Thessalonica, instead falling to Hislop's "Muh Evil Pagan Catholic Constantine" nvm, you mentioned it

I was listening to this episode yesterday on Spotify. The next episode that Spotify played was a Pro Pride episode from a show I've literally never heard of "Smosh Reads Reddit Stories" episode ". The Algorithm is watching 👁👁

@Bynatalieb

16 күн бұрын

Like literally not one of the many other podcasts I follow as always. NO, it had to be something pro pride bc my opinions are inaccurate and I need to be re-educated, super annoying. I made sure to skip to the end and give the show a 1 star review.

If my brother died and I grieved bitterly and he showed up to me in a vision, does that make me gay?

@dyzmadamachus9842

17 күн бұрын

Yes.

@user-jy6hd9uw8h

13 күн бұрын

​@@dyzmadamachus9842 Let this be satire.

@dyzmadamachus9842

8 күн бұрын

Yes.

I'm particularly amused by how he uses his experience being raise in what sounds like a very WASPy tradition as somehow anything relevant to historical Christianity. Throughout souther Europe Eastern Europe, and Latin America you can find societies rife with men being able to form close bonds and lots of touching and hugging. He seems to be using a rather anomalous norther European / Anglo American modern cultural insecurities as if they represent the history of Christian cultures. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. But, sheesh, even in the Anglo WASP world there were fraternities and military societies and other all male social clubs and binding that was part and parcel to the culture. It's only very, very recently in a historical sense that such institutions have been under such attack as exclusively male. And, as Trent notes, our modern peculiarities have us looking back at many of these institutions and seeing them as somehow decidedly "gay," a proclivity capitalized in by these activists trying to push their narrative. Was there homosexual relationships or pursuits back then? No doubt, and the now oft-disparage clear prohibitions against homosexuals in these all male institutions seems to speak specifically to the realization of how certain people were inclined, so as to explicitly keep that out of the picture.

@TheCounselofTrent

17 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment! -Vanessa

I think the audio for Trent is a bit out of sync.