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Not gonna lie really appreciated the playthrough opening hand at the end, really helps with understanding what a good hand would be.

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @Jake Burger, thanks for checking out my video! I love goldfishing, it's really fun to go through the motions a bunch of times before playing the deck.

If they try to kill Obeka while final fortune is on the stack, Just end the turn with Obeka, and you lose final fortune instead rather than the game! You live for another day....

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @LEONARD HILL, I thought Final Fortune had the same oracle text as Glorious End, but it's slightly different: "Take an extra turn after this one. At the beginning of that turn's end step, you lose the game." You can activate Obeka anytime during the extra turn and it will work and the trigger will not happen. However, you can just kill Obeka before the extra turn.

@vincenzoorasi2498

3 жыл бұрын

@@vex_mtg if they try to kill obeka during your turn before the extra turn, you just end your turn in response to the removal spell and go to the extra turn, then end that one too as usual. The only way you loose with your own final fortune is if they have two removal spells and respond with the second one to you e ending the first one

@josehaya6362

3 жыл бұрын

@@vincenzoorasi2498 i think that’s what he meant: Two removal spells at obeka

I just started this new hobbies of mine and you have been by far the best game tutorial I have been watching for tech decks

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

@maximo gonzalez, thanks, really appreciate the support!

Thank you for the video! I am excited to start playing this commander.

@vex_mtg

Жыл бұрын

No problem, good luck with the deck.

You can tap obeka in response to the removal. As long as you have something else to either untap obeka or protect from a second removal, you're probably fine.

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @Brian, that is correct, those are some of the ways to save yourself. I just didn't want to jump through those hoops to save 3 mana on a time warp. I believe Obeka can be good in cEDH where there's more counterspells and cheaper interaction.

32:03 Smooth, real smooth...

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

@Uriah, Sometimes fatties appear when you need them the most!!!

Zealous Conscripts does not work with Obeka if I am correct. You cannot exile the until end of turn on that card because it happens at the same time you cast the effect to gain control of it. Its all part of the same effect. Its not like for example Slave of Bolas that has a separate sentence that triggers later on during the end phase.

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @gubi, you are correct, good catch. I was mistaken about it's controlling ability ending when the turn ends. Thanks for checking out my video!

The thing is if you go with final fortune you have to have a competitive list, for example after Ad nauseam resolving (or if you know anyone has interaction for your Obeka) they can try to remove Obeka but they won't succeed for many reasons as : - Deflecting swat - fierce guardianship - Flusterstorm - Force of will - Pact of negation - And tapping Obeka Also, you can do all of this again with Underworld breach which stays because of Obeka exiling the trigger of sacrifice it. If you are in another strategy with Obeka then final fortune isn't that good. PD: I liked the idea of Minamo in Obeka

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @Oconner7, thanks for the insight, yeah I see Final Fortune and its ilk being used in more competitive lists because of a larger protection suite you listed. I do think Obeka is strong in cEDH, which I do play sometimes, but I usually lean my deck towards the casual side. Thanks for stopping by!

@darkdragonXD1

3 жыл бұрын

@@vex_mtg Np, thx for the vid.

@beltfedweapon9967

2 жыл бұрын

Well said. The only thing I need to add: it doesn’t need to be ‘free’ premium removal to protect Obeka. Holding on to a Counterspell or Arcane Denial will ALMOST always be enough on top of Obeka’ ability.

I will def put final fortune and scepter in my build with thassas oracle as a win con. You have excess to blue for protection and should be running all the great counters.

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @Derrick Brown, I think Final Fortune would be okay in a higher powered deck with good protection as you suggested.

Hey Vex! I'm a new comer on your channel. I loved how you presented the cards! Seeing the actual prints (and some proxy I assume) really made me want to go play it. So I did! I've imported your list into Moxfield and I'm ready to play it! One card I thought might be interesting to play is Rakdos the Showstopper. For such a fun yet powerful commander like Obeka, a janky goofy card like the Showstopper peeked my interest. Any thoughts on cards you could see being added/removed or maybe flavor changes you might have wanted but didn't feel they were all too powerful?

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @William Porter, thanks for the support! All of the cards I show you are real cards, no proxies (Hence why I don't have deck tech until after pre-release). You can remove some of the mean cards like Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, Opposition Agent, It That Betrays, and Agent of Treachery. I really like stealing my opponents' cards. I also added Thieving Skydiver because its a pet card of mine that I think is really good in EDH, but the deck doesn't need it. You can basically sub out most of the fatties for other more fun fatties like Rakdos the Showstopper. I originally had the extra turns theme but didn't want to lose to my own cards because my playgroup would do that to me.

@williamporter4011

3 жыл бұрын

@@vex_mtg Awesome! I like the stealing subtheme as well, however I think subbing in more abusable cards with the recursive themes like ETB effects (rakdos showstopper, molten primordial which also is stealing stuff on etb)

Question here. I understand the end step is a phase. But how does 'end of turn' work? Like Ideas Unbound, if it's until end of turn and you end the turn...

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @Mike Butler, I believe the end step is part of the "ending phase" (I know it's confusing). Cards like Ideas Unbound have been errata'd to say "Draw three cards. Discard three cards at the beginning of the next end step.". So what happens is when you pass through your second main phase to your end step, the Ideas Unbound delayed trigger will go on the stack and make you discard 3 cards, at that point you can end the turn and remove the trigger on the stack. I recommend checking out the Oracle text of some of these older cards as their wording has been re-templated. Thanks for checking out my video!

The decklist link is broken. Please share.

Uh... Blightsteel does not ever go into graveyard... sorry.

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @Trevi Lim, you are correct! I was waiting for someone to catch that. I actually had an overlay stating that, but somehow I forgot to edit it in.

@itzmimz8238

3 жыл бұрын

It does if you have the Japanese version and no one in your play group speaks Japanese 💁🏽‍♂️

@illicitenergy3307

3 жыл бұрын

it absolutely does if you respond to the trigger and exile it with obeka. just sayin

Que otro commandante, de la expansion de commander legends piensas armar?

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @Rolando Andrade, to start, I'm planning to build Yurlok, Araumi, Ghen, Wyleth, Belbe, and much more. Is there one in particular you want to see?

@rolandoandrade9783

3 жыл бұрын

@@vex_mtg me gustaria ver Wyleth, Gwen y Jared Carthalion. En ese mismo orden.

Soo you still discard at end of turn for the draw three she only works with triggers that say " at the beginning of the next end step "

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @jordan lyon, I believe you are talking about the card Ideas Unbound. I actually check on this card before I recorded and it has new Oracle text: "Draw three cards. Discard three cards at the beginning of the next end step."

@bouncingdonut9969

3 жыл бұрын

at end of turn works for her.

I don't understand, does obeka end a player's turn? So in one on one my opponent has no hope?

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

@CantSeeMe 98, Obeka gives the active player the option to end the turn, therefore they can decline the option if they want, meaning lots of hope left.

Building Obeka without the final fortune combo is just wrong. The risk is part of the fun. Plus isochron is great with mana drain or vampiric tutor. I think I'm avoiding reanimator when I build Obeka, there are just better and more interesting things to try with her.

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @Seth Jenkins, that's the beauty of EDH, you can build things the way you want them. I think if you are willing to take the risk, by all means, go ahead.

@sethjenkins4028

3 жыл бұрын

@@vex_mtg I'm definitely not disagreeing there is a risk but the pay off is a win. I think it makes for a great casual combo deck. Pair it with tidal barracuda or conqueror's flail for a little added protection.

@sethjenkins4028

3 жыл бұрын

@@vex_mtg Also since Obeka is so adept at protecting herself you could always spend a counter on your own final fortune copy for the first activation.

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

@Seth Jenkins, that's a good point, I guess it does end the game pretty quick either way. 😅

Blightsteel never hits the graveyard, therefore you can't target it with Feldon, because of the "if" clause. It works with every other creature though.

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @dracobeans419, you are correct! I caught it in editing, but forgot to insert an overlay stating that.

@illicitenergy3307

3 жыл бұрын

respond to blightsteels trigger with obeka and exile it.

I feel like you shouldn't be trying the the final fortune until you've reanimator'd their removal to exhaustion with feldon and goryo type copies of Jin-Gitaxis and Co., not to mention bashing them with their own best guys with the plethora of available Hijack-style spells...and while you milk their hand for removal using your bulimic graveyard, you slowly stack up your drain/pact/force/counterspells and wait....then isocron scepter + final fortune for infinite turns and THEN use that blue thickness to keep the lady safe. Or yeah, greaves or whatever too. I have to run Glorious End, it's in the title.

@vex_mtg

2 жыл бұрын

@Ted Uhrich, I think once you have the clamp down on the game as you described, the extra turn spells become win more at that point.

@uhrich11

2 жыл бұрын

@@vex_mtg I agree, but as a former standard grinder (back when we had tourneys and such, I'm old) "win more" was a reason to not do it, EDH is a fun format and sometimes I get off on seeing a big-time "win more", even if it's aimed at my head. You can do some awesome/hilarious stuff at a commander table....plus I kinda like dancing on the edge of the knife! "Maybe they'll make me kill me"....

What u say is the truth about final fortune. Following u now just do to that fact!

@vex_mtg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @Vita Dragon, thanks for the support!

Feldon says "sac it at the beginning of the next end step" so you´re gonna lose the token copy at the end of your opponent´s turn right?