Hey everyone! Important notes: This TV is currently over-brightening content and TCL is not only aware, but working on a fix. If you look at the Calman charts, the color temp in greyscale is fine, and the colors hit their coordinate targets fine, but the issues are in the luminance, where they are brighter than the target. Thanks to a tip from Classy, I was able to confirm the TV does not do this in Game mode. Furthermore, turning off local dimming corrects all luminance errors. I have the fix for the luminance shift bug I showed in hand, and will be reporting the fixes once completed. The good news in all of this is that the hardware is fully capable of accuracy, the new AIPQ processor used here just needs to be updated to target accuracy if that’s what TCL wants. That the Tv simply overbrightens beyond spec is not the worst thing in the world, as it just comes off more vivid, but without white balance or colors looking off. Still, for $20K, it needs to have one accurate mode outside of Game mode, and that’s what I hope to see.

@MJasonUK30

4 күн бұрын

My 98" QM8 calibration is what Classy is referencing here! Classy is an AMAZING calibrator! The EOTF was wonky everywhere except Game mode and there are some other crazy bugs currently but WOW does she get bright (5500 nits for the 98") and black levels are amazing! I'm running a 2.6 gamma and 48 black level to eliminate wash out which creates some crush but I like the almost-OLED blacks in that trade-off! Thanks Caleb and Classy!

@Sas-wk9lj

4 күн бұрын

lol, first liability talk and now this....sounds like it wasn't a great experience after all 😉

@evilbeaver1353

4 күн бұрын

Thank you for the review, but what I'm concerned about is why you have a picture of a naked guy on your shelf.

@Caleb_Denison

4 күн бұрын

@@evilbeaver1353 Not naked, just topless. That’s the Herbie Man Push! Push! record, considered a groundbreaking moment for jazz flute in its time. While it’s fair to question the taste in album art from the period, there’s no denying the music it represents is historic.

@Caleb_Denison

4 күн бұрын

@@MJasonUK30 was super happy to hear Classy’s account of your TV’s calibration!

THANK YOU!! Putting that 65” tv in front really shows the scale of this tv. AMAZING!!!

@GamezGuru1

3 күн бұрын

It was a 55

@dsoprano13

Күн бұрын

It also shows how big those tower speakers are. They are not dwarfed by the TV.

The 115" QM8 is $20,000 - the 98" QM8 is $5,000 ...

@thenonexistinghero

3 күн бұрын

In Europe it's €24K for the big one and €7K for the small one. The 85 inch Sony Bravia 9 is €5K in Europe. All of these prices include tax though Anyhow, I can only conclude that pricing across regions is just weird. For some stuff it's significantly cheaper in Europe while other stuff is significantly more expensive.

@michael-4k4000

3 күн бұрын

Buy 4 98"s

@troudefion7069

3 күн бұрын

That's ridiculous the real price for that size should be 6.000€ or $... There's no big difference between 98 and 115, 20.000€ or $ should be a 400" tv size normaly

@exhibitD79

3 күн бұрын

Same say 17" is pretty .., big....

@thenonexistinghero

3 күн бұрын

@@troudefion7069 There actually is a pretty big difference in manufacturing cost. Making sure a 115 inch panel fits the same standard as a 98 inch one is costly and will likely result in far more panels being thrown away due to not meeting the standard. It'll be another year or 2 before the process is streamline enough to make a TV that size affordable. Just look at OLED. The 80+ inch ones used to be almost impossible to make. And just recently they've started to become very slightly affordable, but the 80+ inch versions of OLEDs are still like $2000-$3000 more expensive than the 77 inch versions of that same TV.

10:12 You really made that 65 Inch TV look like a 27 inch monitor lol

@Sas-wk9lj

4 күн бұрын

dude, comparison sucks. A 200" TV in near future will make this 115" like a 65" TV. Enjoy the content not size.

@The2ndavepete

4 күн бұрын

It was shocking the difference. Really get an idea of the scale.

@Datenschutz_Datenschutz

3 күн бұрын

same at 14:16 lol

@Spealer

3 күн бұрын

@@Sas-wk9lj ? I mean yes, if you compare the earth to the sun, the earth is small, but it’s actually still big

@Sas-wk9lj

3 күн бұрын

@@Spealer exactly my point, the 65" 4K TV on its own is quite big when you're watching from a distance of 5-6 ft, so I don't know what you're trying to prove here.

Im an electrical enginieer and can help you with the heat question: It's totally easy for any TV, or any electrical device for that matter. Near ANY electrical power you put into it from your wall outlet ends up as heat in your room (minus the light energy that goes out the windows, but that's not much). So you can just buy a cheap energy-messuring socket and take that value (W for the power (energy-stream) or kWh for the total amount of engery for the entire movie (if you reset that value to 0 before staring it).

The liability issues you pointed out (limitations of low res content on such a huge display) was such a valuable insight! Very much appreciated sir

I built my dedicated room around the LG 97 G2 and have been absolutely loving it. If this was released at the same time I would have seriously considered it though. What a time to be alive!

@notsorandumusername

3 күн бұрын

That's a tv that was never talked about enough. A 97" OLED!

@heftyfunseeker9987

3 күн бұрын

@@notsorandumusername it’s absolutely fantastic. I love seeing all these new big tvs. I went from: 120” front projection setup -> 77” OLED -> 83” OLED -> 97” OLED. I think I’ll just hold out for microled to come down in price… or wait for a 115” oled 😂

On the topic of how much heat it puts out, the objective metric would be to talk about how much power this TV consumes while watching content, and compare that to the power of a smaller TV. Power consumed is mostly converted to heat, and some is converted to light and sound.

@evildude109

3 күн бұрын

It pulls about 800 watts according to what Linus looked at when he opened last year's chinese model.

@ichinichisan

3 күн бұрын

The light is just photons, not so different from an infrared heater, so they're ultimately going to heat up the room too. (Well, unless you put the TV by a window facing out, heh.)

@random_n

2 күн бұрын

But why do that when we can instead compare to cooking spaghetti? 😄It's actually kind of a fun comparison given the burst output of heat and humidity from a pot of spaghetti vs the 90 minutes of lesser wattage from a movie on a TV. I think the TV would typically draw more total power, but the spaghetti would be more likely to kick on the A/C.

"...laying down your credit card." More like calling your bank to wire the money over! 😂

@mmjohns2705

2 күн бұрын

Depends on the card, maybe for him it’s not out of the realm of normal 😂

Thanks for a thoughtful, honest, yet enthusiastic review!

Size = cinematic immersion. Always choose size over everything else. I had quite a size journey myself: for years used projectors and had wonderful 100", then got jealous of TV features and moved to a 77" OLED, and then realized how much I missed the big size, so now I'm at 83" OLED but still feel deprived of a few inches. :)

@marklabonte2925

4 күн бұрын

My wife says the same thing to me

@EmblemParade

4 күн бұрын

@@marklabonte2925 Glad you provide your wife with cinematic immersion! I recommend a real-life relationship, too, even if out-of-the-box color accuracy suffers. :p

@Sas-wk9lj

4 күн бұрын

cinematic immersion is due to the quality of the content, not the size. You saw Seinfeld clip, what immersion did you see there?

@PSYCHOV3N0M

4 күн бұрын

​@@Sas-wk9ljIt's not just one over the other. You wouldn't understand if you've never been to a 1570 IMAX theater.

@bluered3228

4 күн бұрын

I'm still using a 92 inch DLP because I didn't want to go down in size. I figure they'll either come out with 98 inch OLED for less than a new car or micro-led eventually.

Hearing you list off the acronyms and features at around the 5:30 mark for some reason reminded me of Ron Popeil - “but wait, there’s more”

@Caleb_Denison

4 күн бұрын

@@fonkenful set it and forget it!

@fonkenful

3 күн бұрын

@@Caleb_Denison We actually had a Chop o matic in our kitchen growing up in the mid ‘60s, so yeah that ages me. Loved the hair spray paint.

Regarding hitting studs for the tv mount. If you are building a room or finishing a basement, always eput blocking in anywhere you might hang a disply. Then there is no question you will have a rigid support as needed.

That’s exactly how good my R635 from 2020 (TCL) has been. Thanks to you because I bought it because of you.

Question: how do you balance your media cabinet against thin, wall mounted TVs like the LG G series? I am going to wall mount a G3 77", but I feel like I am losing the value of the TV's thin, picture frame profile by putting a 15" or deeper media cabinet underneath. Wouldn't a TV centered on the deep media be more esthetically pleasing than a TV behind a deep cabinet? My 7.2.2 setup will have 2 subwoofers, 2 tower speakers and a center channel on the TV wall, with need for a media cabinet/shelf to hold a receiver, xbox, blu-ray player, the center channel. How can have the benefits of the flush TV, and avoid having a media cabinet sticking 15-20" out in front of it?

Another great review! Question, can this TCL 115" TV be wall hanged? How much does it weight? If so, how to make sure it is secured hanged?

I’d be curious to know how much power it draws from the wall

I just went from a VA monitor to an OLED monitor and thought it would fix the pixelation in dark scenes when I streamed content. I learned it's not the monitor but the poor quality bit rate of the content. Oh well, it's still a huge upgrade but was disappointed about that.

@epap1375

3 күн бұрын

Monitors don’t do any picture processing. Play that same content on a tv especially one with great processing like a newer Sony OLED with XRClear and a lot of it will be cleaned up

@phillipvorndran6531

3 күн бұрын

@@epap1375 yes, I came to that conclusion. It's too bad monitors don't have picture processing. I am still trying to figure out why monitors are just as expensive or more expensive relative to size as tv's when they don't have speakers (most of the time) and they don't have picture processing

I think for crappy or old content, you should be able to scale the image down to 1080p's worth of pixels, and have a MASIVE black border.

@npbetts1

3 күн бұрын

Absolutely. Any of the really large TV sizes would benefit from “descaling” mode that could display content in its native resolution in the center of the screen. For 1080 content for example, this 115 inch TV could display it in a 57.5 inch window that would make compression artifacts much less visible at shorter viewing distances.

Would a MadVR processor help this TV?

The purchase link for Best Buy is wrong

Hey Caleb I have a question. I currently have a 2023 model 65" Hisense U7K. Would it be a major upgrade to go with a 2024 U8N or 2024 model TCL QM8

Does this have the same specs as the 65 Inch qm851g or will be getting any separate videos for that model?

Would be there interested in how this TCL 115" compared to Hisence 110"?

Does this TV have an atsc 3.0 tuner? What does OTA broadcast tv look like on this TV? Does sports from antenna look good? Does streamed sports look good?

Should I get the s90d woled (in my region) or lg c4 woled?

Which would you recommend, this TV or the 97" wireless LG OLED? Both are similar price.

What are the scaling options when you have bad content? I mean if you would just scale it down eg 50%, you might have a lot of black bars but quality wise you would be at 55” screen. Can the tv do this? What about a media player or some hdmi device?

Hey I’d love to know how this stacks up against something like the Apple Vision Pro with its theoretical same size screen. Is the AVP STILL more immersive? Also with Apple’s display being OLED and this being Micro-LED, I think this’d even be a super interesting comparison

At this sized a curved model would be beneficial ?

I know allot of mfg. Are moving away from 8K, but do you feel at this size the extra resolution even if content is upscaled would benefit the overall PQ?

I recently upgraded my mancave TV from 65 to 75", a TCL c845k. Games look very immersive with awesome HDR, and just the right size for the room leaving approx 3 feet either side of the set. I game in a dark room so it's ideal for me. Was lucky with no visible DSE and no dead pixels.

Question. I have denon AVR-S730H, capable of 7.2 or 5.2.2 surround sound, which is the best setup? I would think 5.2.2 for the atmos content on streaming and 4k discs, but I also have a lot of blu-rays that have 5.1 or 7.1 and obviously no atmos. Bonus question: if I have all the surround and ceiling speakers in place, is there a way to quickly switch between the 5.2.2 and 7.2 without needing to rebalance the sound of the system?

@Sas-wk9lj

Күн бұрын

Yes, with modern AVRs you can have 4-5 different channel configurations/ setup saved and you can easily switch between them any time by getting into the AVR's settings.

How does the picture on the 115" screen compare to the LG G2 97-inch OLED evo? As this is the largest OLED, enquiring minds what to know.

Center channel placement seems like a real challenge here. How do you solve it?

So which one is better 65 inch 2024 QM8 or Hisense U8N?

So with TV's this size, wouldnt it benefit from 8K panels as far as screen resolution goes to not be sble to see the pixels sitting closer?

For a large part of the country these heat concerns are ridiculous. If I spend a little more on air conditioning I save a little more on heating in winter. Besides, when I used to watch the yule log channel on my 50 inch Sony plasma it FELT like a fire place too ! Now that's realistic.

Nice video keep up the good work

Size has a quality all its own.

@Sas-wk9lj

4 күн бұрын

yeah the Seinfeld video clip 🤣

"Cinematic motion looks great without the aid of motion smoothing." Doubt, unless there's some kind of strobing or the pixel response time is slow. Motion issues on modern TVs are chronically glossed over by reviewers. Size makes stutter more perceptible, "stutter" meaning the appearance that an object in motion on the screen is jumping back and forth instead of moving smoothly, because as your eyes track the object they naturally get ahead of it while the previous frame is still being displayed. If an object moves 1" per frame on a 55" inch screen, it's moving 2"+ on this screen, so the stutter must be very noticeable unless there's a lot of motion blur due to slow pixel response time or you're sitting far away.

So is the center of the picture at couch sitting height on those legs? It look like it is a foot or so too low in the video but it is hard to tell these things if you're not in person. I'm not a potential customer of a TV this expensive but I like to think about how I'd make it work in the spaces we have.

So, any feel for how much more immersive this is than a 98-100” TV? Thinking specifically about the Hisense U8K 100”, which is rediculously cheap by comparison.

Would love to see a content comparison using a Nvidia shield pro. Curious to see how much their upscaling can help when an image is this large.

As the owner of a 2023 85” QM8 I can barely comprehend how big this TV is. I hope to own one , one day.

Will this be good for my son’s dorm room at college?

Black levels? Power consumption?

I like that the SVS towers look proportional and appropriate next to this TV

what about blooming and off axis viewing?

Awesome review, Caleb! Thank you. 😎🤑

Great video Caleb! At 97+ I would like to see 8k with great upscaling. For time being 77-85 will suffice maybe in 5 years this will be our reality.

@Hirnlego999

3 күн бұрын

Agree although I expect 8k /120 new hdmi standards in the near future. Who wants 60hz?

Size does matter. All "traditional" seating distances from tiny 65" TV's is dated. 100"+ is the new king. Also it definitely demands higher quality media (4k bluray, 4k streaming with high bitrate). Will be excited to replace my 4k laser projector with one of these once the price comes down!

I wonder if there could be a windowed smaller pic mode for low rez content....just emulate a 65" or whatever in the middle of the screen

When I saw TCL 115 in the description for your video I got excited. I have two TCL 75 inch tv's that are about 3 years old and thought. Well, it's 40 inches bigger so maybe it will be around the $3000 mark as my 75 inch tv's were incredibly well priced. That was a HUGE whoops for me lol. Looks great though.

I sit 8.5ft from a 120" acoustically transparent screen and use a JVC NZ7. Immersion and picture are great but quality still doesn't compare to a good flat panel. Would love to have a screen like this. There are 2 major issues I see. One is logistics - many home theaters are in the basement as is mine. No way it would fit down the stairs. The other is audio. The ideal audio setup for a dedicated home theater especially with multiple rows is identical LCR speakers behind an acoustically transparent screen which obviously is not possible with a flat screen. So these issues need to worked out before moving away from projectors.

where can we purchase the optional legs? I don't see any reference on the TCL site.

@Sas-wk9lj

4 күн бұрын

😮 you only want to purchase the optional legs and not the tv, what a joke, good one 🤣

@DS-wb2we

3 күн бұрын

LegsRus

Can we get a review of the "normal" sized 2024 QM8's?

Linus' 115 TCL Chinese version got the same problem and his videos is like 6+ months old, not sure whether TCL will ever fix it.

Great review, Caleb 😍

I love your channel but I'm in the UK and the part numbers you talk about don't match up or aren't sold here. Can you recommend a channel or expert over here that reviews uk tvs ? Thanks

I could tell just how large it was with it dwarfs the tower speakers, but when you put the "little" 65" TV in front of it my jaw hit the floor! My own TV is a 65" OLED

I wish they would just leave the speakers out and knock a couple grand off the price. Most people use an AVR and much better speakers anywways.

@d3vp131

3 күн бұрын

Those itty bitty speakers/sub won’t be a couple of grand off. If it was it’s still $25k+ for a tv that will make streaming content look worse

@DS-wb2we

3 күн бұрын

And the legs

@halfvader8015

3 күн бұрын

@@DS-wb2we The legs are extra/separate. They did leave them out.

How does sports look in it?

Might have to get this for the bathroom!

@LeezahB

4 күн бұрын

Ha ha!

@Sas-wk9lj

4 күн бұрын

you might as well like frying your scrambled eggs on the screen, just keep it on for an hour.

For $20,000 all 4 HDMI ports should be 2.1. TCL is crazy.

@boterhammetpindakaashagelslag

4 күн бұрын

Not really. If you can afford this tv, you also have an AV-receiver.

@dllemm

3 күн бұрын

If you have this TV you probably don’t care about either.

@stefanb974

3 күн бұрын

Should also be 144hz

Nice review 👏👍

The hisense ux110 have double the diming zones at 40,000… would be amazing if you do a side by side

Have you ever reviewed the 100inch Hisense U7K mini led TV for £3000 ??

Just bought the C855 65" (3500 nit peak version, 1344 dimming zones I think, with all else the same such as the processor) and it is outstanding. No need for OLED with 0.4 nit black. No blooming. Had an LG G1 until it got burn in after only 3 years. Never again OLED. Apple TV+ really shows the C855's capabilities in Dolby Vision IQ. I use Bose 700 Atmos headphones when viewing (speakers cannot even come close to these headphones at a peak 110 dB with excellent Atmos), all taken together = viewing heaven. Considered the X955 85" which is like the one you are reviewing but it was just too big for my space and the extra cash not worth it to me. But if you have the cash go for the larger version.

Would be cool if there were matching speaker stands. What a beast! Instead of wall mounting you could just build a wall around it.

Do you get to keep it? That would be a dream come true.

Why is price without tax ? Can you somehow buy this TV without paying or avoid tax in USA ?

OK. So now it is out. How close is it the the EU and others TCL 85X955?

@Alex335i

3 күн бұрын

EU has 115” x955 for quite some time, ‘same’ price, €20 000. I didn’t consider it as i can’t see how i can return it for service if (when) needed

"We're going to have to revisit this TV after the update." Darn, that's rough. The sacrifices you put up with, Caleb... 😄

How do I get this onto a second floor....

8:27 - 12:18 The best argument for owning a CRT tv. At least when it comes to older forms of media.

USB 3? 10/100 or 1Gb network card?

Can you please review the Hisense u76n 100 inch

What is the model number of TCL for last year’s 2023 for the model 65C845K, I want to compare the prices

A very important detail to me is viewing angle which can be an issue that’s magnified with size. How does off axis viewing look?

@RickinICT

3 күн бұрын

You'd need to have it in a ballroom to get very many degrees off axis from this behemoth!

@AffinityPhoto

2 күн бұрын

@@RickinICT just a wide couch for most tn lcd

With 20,000 dimming zones that is approximately one dimming zone per dollar spent! What a steal! 😊

At what distance it's safe to look at a 43 inch tv ?

TCL had this EXACT SAME issue when their 85 inch QM8 came out in 2023. My brother got two sets and both had the same fluctuating brightness issue in both DV and HDR SETTINGS. TCL eventually fixed it with a FW update but it took a few months to roll it out

I'm definitely buying one.

Is there some message in the Herbie Mann album Push Push on the shelf???

my question pertains to watching live sport broadcasts - i don't generally watch sports on my Epson LS12000 because projectors don't handle it as well as a panel can.... But with your, much appreciated and thoughtful, commentary about "lessor quality content" - it makes me wonder how live sports that are 1080i or 720p from the networks going to look on a 115" OLED panel.

Even in the video, the brightness differences between the ambient/background and the TV seems to be pretty significant! It is too bad the QM series is exclusive to the U.S and Canada. Everywhere else like Europe and Asia Pacific gets the C series instead. Wished both Hisense and TCL could at least streamline their products and offer identical products globally, sadly it isn't happening.

@whitecrowuk575

4 күн бұрын

In Europe it’s called x955

@dannydoyle8731

4 күн бұрын

the 115 incher TCL Linus imported from China only costed him $11k as stated in his video, while this 115 incher QM8 msrp at $20k in the US. different models? I'd like to know the tech differences that warrant such a huge price gap.

@whitecrowuk575

4 күн бұрын

@@dannydoyle8731 the one Linus ordered has spec similar to 98” qm8 5k zones only. There is another one available only in China with 10k nits 20k zones

Please do the QM7 next 🔥🔥

Depending on its price, the Hisense 110” UX I think that’d be the better option at least on paper 🤔 5” smaller but 2x the dimming zones

Thank god it's $19,999 and not $20,000. I can buy 2 of them now.

20k quite affordable. How about the color calibration?

Wouldn’t a tv that size benefit from an 8k resolution? I feel like paying 20 grand for a 4k tv is just not good move.

@Sas-wk9lj

4 күн бұрын

there's no technology today, that can upscale low bit rate low resolution content to look like a good 1080p, let alone 4K or 8K. It'd look even crappier if they tried to over process something. p.s. There'll never be a technology that could convert a 240p, 480p or 720p content to a 4K like original quality. Forget it. I can easily see impurities and loss of depth in picture when a 1080p content is upscaled to 4K.

@PSYCHOV3N0M

4 күн бұрын

​@@Sas-wk9ljHe's not talking about upscaling. He's talking about the fact that a TV with that screen size should/would benefit from 8K. $20,000 for 4K at that size makes little to no sense.

@Sas-wk9lj

4 күн бұрын

@@PSYCHOV3N0M What's the point of having 8k TV when 70% content out there is HD, 25% FHD, 4.9% UHD and 0.1% 8K and beyond? Thanks for your TV mentoring, but no thanks.

@NexGenTek

4 күн бұрын

@@Sas-wk9ljBecause the bigger you go the more the tv looks softer and feels less sharp. 8K makes a difference!

@dllemm

3 күн бұрын

@@Sas-wk9ljdon’t watch low quality content? Plenty of new media.

No need to use a heat measure, just put a kill-a-watt on it, How many Watts go in ? (that basically how much heat comes out)

@ichinichisan

3 күн бұрын

No way, man, those massive subwoofers are totally sending most of that electricity out into the neighborhood in the form of HARDCORE BASS. 🔊🔊🔊 (In fact, I was just about to write a version of your comment.)

And here I am enjoying my 50 inch TCL QD Mini-LED like it's a cinema in my movie room. Can't imagine that 98 or 115 inch. Lol...

That is absolutely awesome, just not the price. 😮 Great video. Thank you for sharing.

Just out of curiosity, how many nits is the Sun?

@unies176

3 күн бұрын

1.6 billion nits Google it

Love the Herbie Mann album cover in the background

would be cool to see a comparison video of all 98" inch tv's to see which one wins.

So no Dolby Atmos?

Does anyone have any idea about what happened to LG nanocell?