Toad

@pdizzleparker5556

2 жыл бұрын

Toad

@superresch64

2 жыл бұрын

Toad

@driveasandwich6734

2 жыл бұрын

Toad

@cad4871

2 жыл бұрын

Toad

@larrykoopa64dshacker64

2 жыл бұрын

Toad

Yeah. A lot of people tend to forget that animals mimicking the appearance of plants is not an uncommon occurrence. The most well known examples being insects such as orchid mantises *(or mantises in general),* katydids, and stick bugs. Heck, even reptiles and amphibians have gotten in on it like the leafy-tailed gecko or the Vietnamese mossy frog.

@Yipper64

2 жыл бұрын

But also in fantasy the idea of mushrooms growing out of a creature in symbiosis is pretty common as well.

@Headless_Toil2418

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget leaf bugs

@Headless_Toil2418

2 жыл бұрын

@@Yipper64 there's also a kind of parasitic fungus that reproduces by controlling the bugs that they grow on in order to make them go to the perfect spot to release spores. Once they go to said spot, the bug dies and a mushroom grows on its head while spores are released. Or at least it's what I remember from a documentary. And that's why it isn't just in fantasy. It'd be absolutely terrifying if bugs weren't the only victims.

@TeamClusterTruck

2 жыл бұрын

@@Headless_Toil2418 The parasitic fungus in question is Cordyceps. They control an insect's brain and forces it to climb to the highest point it can, at which point it consumes and replaces the host's body tissue to grow higher. iirc we recently discovered specimens of an extinct cordyceps ancestor that sprouted from the other end of the host. Outside of being objectively horrifying, it's known for its use as pest control and naturopathic medicine, and the game The Last of Us centers around the idea of Cordyceps parasitizing non-insect hosts.

@Dark_Mario_Bros.

2 жыл бұрын

Which would explain the whole plant with legs from piranha plant

As a fan of the three theorist channels, this is a REALLY good debunk. I honestly completely forgot that toads, piranha plants, and other mario characters had bones. I thought this was gonna be one of those videos where the person speaking is just ranting about Mat and his team and how they always get everything wrong, but you actually went out of your way to research even more and make a respectful and simple video! Good job.

@lunasif

2 жыл бұрын

Eh... I'm not convinced on the bone thing. Bones are just a dense material that shows up on x-rays because the particles struggle to penetrate them. Water shows up in a similar way so they could just be filled with water as far as we know. Though since they arent immobile plants/fungus it would make sense they form a dense internal skeleton to help with movement unlike most plants/mushrooms that have more of an external structure, same way we have internal skeletons while anything related to insects has an external one. To be honest the shading on the skeleton is the fishiest thing... But then this is using an electric shock not x-rays particles and special recording equipment, and I'm not even sure if that should light up bones unless the bones are highly conductive.

@_EmperorWaluigi

2 жыл бұрын

@@lunasif there are literal bone piranha plants in the mario universe

@jarielwilliams9856

Жыл бұрын

So if the toads are infected...Does that mean they are still alive but the cordyceps are making them do horrible things?

@MahNamJeff

Жыл бұрын

​@Luna Scythe a person's skeleton appearing during an electric shock is a classic cartoon trope, which means that they were probably intended to be bones

@seandwalsh3

Жыл бұрын

The Toads aren’t infected, the Mushrooms are essentially just a part of their body. It’s a long-standing symbiosis.

Very informative video! I think the Toads being animals rather than "just" mushrooms is what makes them more interesting to think about as characters and as a species. Likewise with the Piranha Plants not being actual plants. Looking forward to more of your Mario analyses!

@toasturhztoastbunz896

2 жыл бұрын

Speaking of, aren't mushrooms *themselves* technically more animal than plant?

@nabbitgohome9672

2 жыл бұрын

@@toasturhztoastbunz896 that’s what I was wondering?

@natstar7864

2 жыл бұрын

Matpat always makes videos he knows nothing about because his patreons suggest it which is bad idea since then people stop watching his channel because of it.

@yolobrodittopokemon2954

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe Parasect

@nopsinops7547

2 жыл бұрын

That with the Piranha Plant is fax. You can see in their mouth that they are flesh and blood

I gotta say, throwing out there that the Toad species page on the Mario wiki does, in fact, have a list of every color of Toad, right after MatPat had said how much work went into figuring that out, was hilarious. That's gotta burn at least a little.

@Aramyx

2 жыл бұрын

Like it's so dumb if they really went thrugh that effort, because a list like that is very likely to exist, and easy to find lmao.

@ponodude101

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aramyx Exactly lol. Like did he or anyone on his team not scroll all the way down on the wiki page?

@ElFreakinCid

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, he openly thinks he knows more about Nintendo games than Nintendo and also has to scour these things for info himself because, I guess in his mind, Nintendo is just a bunch of fools who half-ass their job all the time. He once made the bold claim that even Nintendo doesn't know whether Inklings are humans or squids, is completely willing to ignore canon evidence against him and statements to the contrary from people who actually made the games he's talking about, and believes the official Zelda timeline is BS because it doesn't line up with what he got his fans parroting about Link being dead in Majora's Mask.

@TrickWiz

2 жыл бұрын

@@ponodude101 I remember Matpat saying in a video that wikis do not give accurate information. Which is funny to me, because wikis have helped me understand a lot about games and movies.

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

Wikis shouldn’t be used as a primary source, but in this case the page had images of every Toad and a source where they came from, making it more trustworthy.

1. I thoroughly enjoyed the opening disclaimer. Shows how you understand their channel and appreciate good discourse. 2. A very good dissection of the case with great presentation. Great counterpoints! 3. It would have been nice to link the Miyamoto interview because taking your word is as good as taking MatPat’s word. If that video was quoted for gain, we need the full context to determine how to validate your interpretation as well.

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. In the clip that’s played in the Game Theory video alone it’s clear that Miyamoto his view of things doesn’t align with what MatPat’s video proposes. He says “…since Toadette was a girl”, which definitively genders her. The main point is that in the games themselves different Toads are called boys and girls and referred to with both masculine and feminine pronouns, proving that if they were envisioned as genderless at their inception, that changed in the proceeding years.

@n10tan1gam1

2 жыл бұрын

​@@seandwalsh3 In truth, I never watched the Game Theory video, but I could already see that their own research doomed certain parts of their premise. Such as them referencing Paper Mario yet glossing over details that you brought to light. So I agree that aiming to determine the Toads being genderless is fruitless on their part. All I was basically saying about using the video is, in a nutshell, "cite your sources". Because when I saw the video interview being used as an argument for both sides of the coin, regardless if incorrectly utilized by GT, I only then want to watch the video for myself with no commentary from either side. Hope I'm understood! :)

@hioman

2 жыл бұрын

@@seandwalsh3 i think he meant to put a link in the description on where to find the interview

@n10tan1gam1

2 жыл бұрын

@@hioman Haha exactly yes, but it's not what I meant but mean

@robbiewalker2831

2 жыл бұрын

@@seandwalsh3 MatPat has been cherry picking and discarding Word of God since the day he was married. The "Donkey Kong Banana Wars" video he did was the last video he did as a bachelor (and it involves a distinct possiblity that Donkey Kong Country is an allegory of the USA fighting for fruit stock and attacking other countries for their property, with King K. Rool being the game's depiction of Teddy Roosevelt), which is followed by the "Peach has Stockholm Syndrome" video, where he compared Peach and Bowser's non-existant romance to that of Disney's Beauty and the Beast (rather than the original one where it involves Bride-napping because of the father taking a rose from the Beast's Garden and his daughter never questioning why the Beast would take her).

I am guessing there are some people in the comments defending matpat just because they are huge fans, but the thing is that in a previous game theory episode matpat admitted fully that he himself doesn't believe most of his theories, they are just meant to give people something to think about. Great video, and I love the channel icon, short, simple, effective.

@felador5959

2 жыл бұрын

They're just fun stories that get you to think about an aspect of a game more than you may initially. It's all good fun :)

@ElFreakinCid

2 жыл бұрын

@@felador5959 Yeah, and unfortunately, these "fun stories" are then treated as fact by most of his fans, who apparently are even worse at basic research than MatPat.

@ElFreakinCid

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I find it funny that, while defending his Undertale theories and saying they're still totally plausible, he says he doesn't want people to take him seriously and think differently about the games they like, only to turn around literally the next second and add that he just wants people to think differently about games they like. And 99% of the time, these things to "think about" are absolute BS easily debunked by paying even the slightest bit of attention to the damn game or movie he's talking about.

@creeperz653

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah After all he says it’s just a theory

@insaneproductions9117

2 жыл бұрын

@@creeperz653 A game theory!

Algorithm

@Speh_

2 жыл бұрын

More algorithm.

@FlurryPie0

2 жыл бұрын

Algorithm indeed

@kevChess

2 жыл бұрын

ALGORYTHMIC

@ragingnoob3603

2 жыл бұрын

AL-gorithm

@FellaSimpleton

2 жыл бұрын

Algorithm moment

I love this, I've always headcanoned Toads as being mammals that are related to humans, they just evolved to look like mushrooms. Nice to see that there’s some actual evidence to support that!

I think the main issue with this theory is that MatPat is saying that toads gender is based on its color, right... But then he says that the type of mushroom they are is due to the color being white with red spots?

@collinherrin4596

2 жыл бұрын

Look while I don’t agree with matpat’s the general idea was he identified the type of mushroom he thought they were based on average toad being white cap with red spots then discussed how color may be a way of seeing the different mating types.

@Yipper64

2 жыл бұрын

@@collinherrin4596 but since when do mushrooms have a different color based on mating types? Like sure it happens with some *animals* but not mushrooms.

@collinherrin4596

2 жыл бұрын

@@Yipper64 like I said I don’t agree with it I was just trying to explain how he came to the results he did

Great video! Matpat making up a statement based on an existing one because it contradicts him will always be funny. Most of the mistakes seems to come from random ignorance of spin-offs, only to re-use them later to make a point (the "Toadette is the first non-identical Toad" and reproduction points notably) Also, "the storks payed them a visit" is one hell of an innuendo

@natstar7864

2 жыл бұрын

Matpat always makes videos he knows nothing about because his patreons suggest it.

@thechugg4372

2 жыл бұрын

@@natstar7864 Let's be honest now is there a single video where he knows anything?

@EvilAutisms

2 жыл бұрын

canonically storks do deliver babies in the mario world as seen in yoshi's island

After watching the video of matpat roasting a food sciencist out for debunking him for a 20 secs clip, *OH BOY*

@natstar7864

2 жыл бұрын

Matpat always makes videos he knows nothing about because his patreons suggest it which is bad idea since then people stop watching his channel because of it.

@prodigydigit

2 жыл бұрын

​@@natstar7864 you've spammed this comment at least 20 times

Good video, still think it’s funny he mentions Toads need to be evolved mushrooms but then proceeds to treat them like they need to mate like animals anyways.

@natstar7864

2 жыл бұрын

Matpat always makes videos he knows nothing about because his patreons suggest it which is bad idea since then people stop watching his channel because of it.

@darkmoondeath00

2 жыл бұрын

@@natstar7864 You're*

@delete0497

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe because fungus are closer to animals then they are to plants?

@SpoonAtNoon

2 жыл бұрын

@@natstar7864 stop spamming

@BBPRandomSeeds

2 жыл бұрын

@@natstar7864 You're

Very nice video. Good to see you making videos again Miku!

Imagine having a channel with ove 10 million subscribers and getting outsmarted by a channel with just over 1000

Please make another video like this, the Mario fandom needs more people like you.

Most matpat theory videos do this… usually quite narrow-minded. Missing out the obvious contradictions in order to make a compelling theory…

@natstar7864

2 жыл бұрын

Matpat always makes videos he knows nothing about because his patreons suggest it which is bad idea since then people stop watching his channel because of it.

@coffetrueno9791

2 жыл бұрын

@@natstar7864 you been copy pasting the same comment so much im thinking your a bot

@animosital1645

2 жыл бұрын

**cough** Fallen Order Theory **cough**

@kingofflames738

2 жыл бұрын

@@natstar7864 it's actually still fun to watch though. Doesn't mean I'll believe it. It's just a game theory.

@Kahadi

2 жыл бұрын

A bit harsh considering the respectful nature of this video. Keep in mind a few things instead of just hating on him. First, as this video even notes, MatPat doesn't come up with all of the theories alone. A good amount come from his editors and other team members, with him just being the face and voice of the channel. They do the research, he presents the theory. Sometimes its a joint effort, he does some research and they do others. All together they do try to fact check things, but they are limited. Some are better at the research than others, and those that might be newer to the channel are even more likely to not be as good at it. Doesn't mean they're stupid or don't care though. They're also rather limited in how long they can spend researching topics to maintain their release schedule for 3 different channels and livestream (sort of more recently) on a fourth channel, and while a larger team helps that, it also means more chances for mistakes through miscommunication. Next, he has said before that he knows he's wrong about a lot of his theories. He doesn't outright make stuff up (mistakes happen, of course), but they're just meant to be fun and get people thinking, not be perfectly accurate explanations for things. He does try to be right, but the whole point is that its just a theory, as he always says. He pretty well never claims them to be fact unless as a joke or later confirmed by devs (like with his FNAF lore). Finally, and most importantly, his focus with his theories is on teaching new concepts and stuff. For the Toad one, some examples would be that in the fungus world, colours are incredibly important, the point that animals often identify sex and mating types using colour, and that some living things don't reproduce with a strictly male/female system, with some having multiple kinds of mating types, some changing as needed, things like that. Even if the theory as a whole is wrong about Toad, those points are still true facts about the world, and he still taught those points, and more, to some of his viewers. And for those that already knew or focused more on the accuracy regarding the theory about Toad, you can refer back to the previous point of it being fun and bringing up discussions on the topic. All in all, MatPat isn't the only one making the theories, and they're meant more to be fun and educational than to be perfectly right about the game itself. They try, but people make mistakes. You don't need to like him, but especially when this video says its meant in a respectful and friendly way, you don't need to be mean.

I've had a pretty elaborate theory about the Toads for a long time, so I'm going to say it here. The key to what Toads are is found in Mario & Luigi Partners in Time. In this game, the mushroom-like alien Shroobs invade the Mushroom Kingdom and begin harvesting Toads for their "vim", a green substance used to make their spaceships operate. Now, this seems like a really bizarre coincidence, don't you think? Why should a substance found in Toad bodies be able to produce starship fuel for a random alien species? How did the Shroobs even know about this? Shroobs also show numerous times that they are capable of manipulating the biology of other organisms to turn them into their "shroobified" minions. In short, my theory is this: The Mushroom Kingdom is actually the future of Earth - after being terraformed (fungiformed?) by the Shroobs. Toads are Shroob-modified humans: infected by a parasitic fungus that stunts their growth, makes them subservient in demeanor (the better to harvest them), suppresses their natural secondary sexual characteristics (so that they are forced to rely on the fungus to assist in their reproduction, ensuring that the human child is properly infected), and uses their bodies to produce vim. The Shroobs likely have many such worlds, which they periodically harvest vim from - presumably the Mushroom World (formerly Earth) is at the very fringes of their empire, so it has not been harvested in some time, and because it has not been harvested often it still has enough resources to make it appealing as a new homeworld. Mario and the other non-Toad humans of the Mushroom Kingdom are simply individuals who have a rare genetic immunity to the fungus' infection. It is probable that they form a noble class, but it might also be possible that Toad parents could, in rare circumstances, produce non-Toad human offspring. Bonus theory: Warp pipes are made using Toad vim. It can power interstellar starships and is green when extracted. Think about it.

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

In Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time they specify that the Vim is mixed with chemicals before it’s turned into fuel for the ships - the Vim on its own doesn’t work as a fuel source. Vim appears to be liquid ghost energy, the same stuff Professor E. Gadd mixed with coffee to create Gooigi. It seems that it’s a versatile tool in chemistry. Yes, Shroobs have biological manipulation, however they absolutely did not create the Toads. We know that the Shroobs previously resided on their home planet, which was far from the Mushroom Kingdom and shunned by starlight. They only discovered the Mario’s Home Planet through their telescopes when Mario, Luigi and Peach were babies - at a point when Toads had already existed on the planet for thousands of years. Mario’s Planet is an alternate universe version of Earth, but it’s not post-apocalyptic. Humans are very prevalent all over the world, just not so common in the Mushroom Kingdom. The Toads are clearly a fair deal away from humans, and even seemingly have relatives that don’t have Mushroom caps (such as Shelltops). We’ve seen Warp Pipes all over the world, in space and in other dimensions. We’ve seen people like the Sprixies and Welderberg construct pipes, and we know that the Toads themselves make pipe installations within the Mushroom Kingdom. It’s highly unlikely that they’re constructed with Vim.

@roseofhappilove6841

2 жыл бұрын

honestly wish he made therios with this extended Mario universe instead of generalizing it into the mainline mario series

Every time Matpad makes a Mario theory he's always so wrong about it (by example, his awful theory of Mario being an asshole) thank you so much for this video, you earned mu sub man, I really hope Matpad sees your video

@kamdenpichardo1021

2 жыл бұрын

Just because you don't like him you don't have to be a jerk

@natstar7864

2 жыл бұрын

Matpat always makes videos he knows nothing about because his patreons suggest it which is bad idea since then people stop watching his channel because of it.

@elpatosad5757

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamdenpichardo1021 how I was a jerk? I only said that his Mario theories are always wrong ._.

@SpoonAtNoon

2 жыл бұрын

that's because he make theories for entertainment purposes only (literally EXCEPT for Mario's height, which was very wrong and fooled literally everyone in existence)

@agentnintendonate1thee2tan89

2 жыл бұрын

I wound up believing the Mental Mario thing when I was still in school... look where that stunt got me.

8:43 Mario and Luigi Partners in time is mentioned for six seconds. Earned a sub.

Great work as always! This is the type of stuff we need

Matpat annoys me to no end. What annoys me even more is that people take his theories to be absolutely true even when they’re so obviously not.

@pickleboi934

2 жыл бұрын

I mean they are just a theory lol. A theory is just an idea or concept that could be true or could not

@LowPoly64Gaming

2 жыл бұрын

For me, it's not just the theory videos that don't gel with me. I'm not the biggest fan of his delivery even in his livestreams. No judgment against him, it's just not my style

@papramayro46

2 жыл бұрын

@@pickleboi934 I think his theories are missing the “could be true” aspect

@TMS-Oddbot

2 жыл бұрын

@@pickleboi934 Well, actually, what you described is a hypothesis. Theories have to be backed up by good evidence, and unfortunately this video does show that MatPat's evidence is apparently mostly pulled from nothing but flawed logic.

@somerobloxdude3699

2 жыл бұрын

@@TMS-Oddbot so it would be a game hypothesis "But remember that's just a hypothesis... A game hypothesis!"

Great video! Really do hope you make more commentary styled videos like this, just subscribed!

I think this has been the friendliest debunking video I've ever seen, no hint of anger just a fun attitude.

Wake up babe, new Seán video dropped

This video is how I learned that toads have bones, absolutely terrifying to see, thank you.

"That's a bit of a stretch, MatPat." That could be his slogan. It's certainly his MO.

I feel the issue with matpats theory is he was so tunnel visioned on the mushroom part of the theory he was brushing over lots of the Mario facts. The funniest part is in the interview he used about comparing mushrooms to toads they distinctly say toadette is a girl xD

This was very entertaining, would love to see more

This video just did a 180 on MatPat's video. Its bringing me Sans = Ness vibes

Never wanted to see a toad skeleton, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy

Thank you for the clarification of the Game Theory video! you were a very big help! ^~^

matpat can just never get toad right like you see this in some of his old videos too

Honestly Matpat's theories have always been a hit or miss for me. Sometimes, they're interesting and make you think "huh, that could have actually happened". However, sometimes they're so farfetched and hyperfocused on small pieces of evidence that easily have other reasonable explanations. This is definitely not the worse video he's done but it certainly isn't the best.

I wanna say this is a really good debunk on the toad theory and your points are really solid, i have a bit of a problem with the piranha plant bit tho, i do think piranha plant being camoflaged animals is a cool idea but theres a big hole in that theory, in games like mario party you can see how piranha plants come out of seeds and grow normally like a plant, so you could really go either way with that, but againl your main topic was very well elaborated

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

Piranha Plants have only come from Eggs and Spores, never seeds. Glad you enjoyed it!

@CloutmasterPhluphyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@seandwalsh3 so what I'm getting from this is that they could also be a fungus...

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

@@CloutmasterPhluphyy fungi don’t have bones, so no

@CloutmasterPhluphyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@seandwalsh3 fair

This definitely deserves a subscription. I really love these type of videos. Keep up the great work!

Finally, a video that debunks that theory

@natstar7864

2 жыл бұрын

Matpat always makes videos he knows nothing about because his patreons suggest it which is bad idea since then people stop watching his channel because of it.

MatPat’s videos are always entertaining and well researched for the most part, but in my quest to become a Kirby Lore master i have started to become skeptical of specifically his Kirby videos. I never considered that this could be the case for other franchises too! On another note, Mario lore does seem more interesting then it lets on. (I guess that’s on me for not being able to get past world 2 in Mario Bros Wii, haha) This is a good video. I didn’t realize Mario games had dedicated theorists!

@samkeiser9776

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh, I think Matpat does a lot of cherry-picking, which is to say, he purposely omits information in order to make it seem like his theories are sound. And he does it… *alot*

@linhero797

2 жыл бұрын

@@samkeiser9776 Far more then people realize. Almost all his videos use it in some form. The thing is a lot of people are easily won over by the stories he makes, or don't care about the lore of their games franchises. So they remain oblivious to the finer details that often generally out sometimes, and not uncommoy, completely disprove his theories.

@anyoneatall3488

2 жыл бұрын

Mat pat seems to only be able to make really good theories when it is about fnaf His other videos can be entertaining but usually are not very good theories

@psychonydia6531

Жыл бұрын

@@anyoneatall3488 The Mario is Mental Theory is a good example This Theory is Totally wrong and people still think it's a good Theory

Waiting for the fans to be like "bu-bu-but it's just a theory man, chill out" as they believe literally every word matpat says like he's their damn bible

Love this! Manages to debunk and inform with tact and respect towards MatPat. I still like Game Theory, but I've learned to accept most of their videos as intentionally far fetched and bizarre crackpot theories for entertainment purposes, using math, science, and well articulated (even if horribly misinformed) arguments to make viewers think outside the given narrative of a game. They were never meant to be accurate nor genuine deep dives into the lore. Just fun and provocative. And I think this is the type of thin MatPat actually wants to see come from his videos. That said, when something is so obviously wrong or misquoted at the most basic level, it definitely can hurt the enjoyment for those of us more invested in the lore of our favorite games.

@sirdrake1857

2 жыл бұрын

If it weren't for him making actual good theories whenever he wants (FnaF, the beginnings of Petscop etc...), I'd give no flack for Matpat. But of course, he actually puts effort in some of them, making one wonder why does he lump up obviously bizarre crackpot theories and actually well researched theories under the same umbrella

I love this dude keep up the great work

I previously watched another KZreadr who debunked a few of Mat’s megaman theories it’s a shame that he doesn’t put proper research in when making theories about games that aren’t FNAF

I’m glad when someone points out Mat Pat and his bullsh*t

7:40 lmao he said among

this was a REALLY good watch, wow that's an immediate sub from me, awesome stuff man

It’s kinda scary because if look at the original video’s comments all of the fans don’t question any of it

@girldartsgaming9033

2 жыл бұрын

Which goes against what mat Pat has said for years, he always ask people use these theories to think. Not take them to heart their made for entertainment and thought. Sadly they missed that

Yo I watched his video without a second thought. Good job dissecting. Very interesting to know

I'm new to this channel and I gotta say the outro is kinda funny with the unessessary pause. "And I'll see you guys, later."

You are a chad for cutting out the parts of the video where Matpat fails to be a comedian.

“Remember, MatPat is always wrong.” -Uncle Sonic

@natstar7864

2 жыл бұрын

Matpat always makes videos he knows nothing about because his patreons suggest it which is bad idea since then people stop watching his channel because of it.

@villageboy7768

2 жыл бұрын

@@natstar7864 Dude, quit spamming

Great video! Although I do have one question about the symbiosis theory you suggested: Peachette… what happens to the mushroom when a super crown is used. Does it temporarily fuse with Toadette, or is Peachette’s hair made from fungal threads? Not trying to debunk or suggest anything else: I am just curious about what you think it is.

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

I would say neither. The Super Crown is just a magical crown made in ancient times that turns Toadette into a peach-like human. This could’ve been a wish Toadette herself made, which is why the crown only works on her despite her not existing back when it was created and sealed away in the Grand Labyrinth. By nature of it being a magical transformation, nothing really “happens” to the Mushroom or Toadette’s normal body - her form just changes. Think of the caps Yoshi can use to turn into Mario, Luigi and Wario in Super Mario 64 DS. While not the exact same, it still shows someone changing shape with magical headwear.

@alexgerhard2245

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Funfact: geese and seagulls look and quack like ducks but are not ducks

welcome back to another episode of "Matpat ignores and makes up evidence to support a wrong theory" this episodes Universe "Mario"

I like that you're very factual. The friendly demeanor for a rebuttal video is very refreshing. 😊

MangaKamen not doing the response. Seandwalsh: Fine. I'm doing this myself.

wow, great video! i'm sure that the GT team simply weren't Mario nerds and thus couldn't have known as much information about the series as you do, though this wouldn't be the first time this kind of thing has happened, oof...

@sirdrake1857

2 жыл бұрын

There's a bit of that, but as the video points out, there's also fundamental missunderstanding (if not intentionially changing the meaning) of a quote. They *had* the quote, they just changed it to fit their scenario (their being Matpat and his writing team)

2:20 Yyyeah, Matpat will do that kinda thing, lol 3:19 I really don't understand how Matpat could comfortably make a theory about... anything... all while stretching his points or ignoring any piece of evidence that may counter his theory, when to make a good theory, to address the counter argument is very important. Otherwise if someone brings the counter argument up in a debate, then you might not know what to say. But it just makes your own theory all the more worse when you make up a quote that was apparently said for the sake of strengthening your theory, that's a large level of low I could only expect to see from the Game Theorists. I don't have anything against them, just saying. 4:37 My argument against Matpat for that is that Super Smash Brothers for Nintendo 3DS's trophy description of Larry claims Larry to be leader of the Koopalings as well as the boxing ring stage description in the Wii U version in a different regional version than the US. Despite this claim (which is probably mistranslated) Larry states in Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser "Also, I'm not gonna be captain. Seems like a lot of hassle." so the way I see it, if Larry doesn't choose to be captain and willingly obeys a goomba despite saying it made him sick earlier because it's too much hassle for him and would therefore, rather obey a goomba than be captain, why would he be leader of the Koopalings? Smash is simply an unreliable source. And basically, what you said, that's also part of the reason why Smash is an unreliable source. It's because it's not canon to Mario AND it gets things wrong. At the very least Mario and Sonic portrays their personalities accurately, unlike Smash (Wario) Honestly annoys me when people try using Smash. 4:49 Ah yeah! How can toads be a species of mushroom when they have bones? Easy answer is, as the interview stated, toads are not evolved mushrooms. How can Matpat come to that conclusion when he not only fabricated the quote to make it sound plausible for this theory, but also conveniently glances over the toad skeleton? That's actually a really cool explanation about the mushroom growing out of the toads' heads and spreading spores that don't create more toads but instead create regular mushrooms. 5:36 Ah yeah! Piranha Plant bones! I didn't really think about what kind of animal Piranha Plants are, but reptiles makes sense. 6:44 Before I hear your response, I'll just say two words that debunk what Matpat is saying... The stork... because babies in Mario are delivered via stork (Eggs for reptile beings likely are too and then they hatch later) for the most part. And listening to your response, I called it! I knew you'd bring up that babies in the world of Mario are delivered via stork. Something Matpat bothersomely missed. 7:30 Before I hear your response. Matpat says this despite the fact Toadette has a pink cap white spots and so do some toads in Paper Mario. And I knew you'd bring that up, because yeah, there is some small forms of toads and I don't know where the toad with the book comes from, but that is, yet another example, of the fact that toads can have inverted colors sometimes as well. 8:01 It's hilarious how there is a mushroom that _slightly enough to be convenient to use for a half-baked game theory_ resembles the default toad color-wise. Yeah, that's a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggeee complete stretch. Not only is the shape wrong and the cap pink, but the spots stick out like lumps rather than actually being like how spots on a toad are like. It's funny how Matpat says this despite the fact that, yeah, he can't use this for evidence either way, because toads come in a variety of colors. 8:29 I was about to say, didn't Toadsworth still have a brown cap and brown spots in the past in Partners in Time? The example of that mushroom "aging" didn't even look like the same species of mushroom, so I'm skeptical on if it even is or not. 9:17 Oh that's a neat observation! That toads caps can change color whenever, hahah! That's cool! 10:25 Lol, classic Matpat doesn't research that before saying it's not a thing. 10:43 Ah yeah, he was supposed to have red spots in Super Mario Bros 2. I always prefer to look to artwork, especially as a Koopaling fan when old Koopaling sprites were extremely off model. And good eye, about what Matpat missed from Mario Kart GP. I enjoyed the video! Great video on Toad! I plan on doing a Game Theory debunked video too, but I'm too lazy I suppose.

that's the kind of videos which usually gets a lot of deserved attention after a week, excellent debunk by the way.

@BBPRandomSeeds

2 жыл бұрын

@@natstar7864 You're*

I have a theory:Game Theory writers don't actually research and say facts out of memory of them playing the games a long time ago.

Wow, thats interesting how you said that toads are people with mushrooms growing on their heads as a symbiotic relationship

For me Toad is the species, males are similar to Toad and females have tails like Toadette, or else they don't (maybe because they are clipped)

@Umbra_J

2 жыл бұрын

And here’s the confusing part: Miyamoto confirmed Toads are genderless.

@SUPERELIASK

2 жыл бұрын

@@Umbra_J come on! Because they create clearly female characters, with clearly female voices, they create families equal to human ones and then they say they are genderless WHY

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

@@SUPERELIASK they didn’t say they’re genderless. Like I said in the video, they had no specific sex in mind back in Super Mario Bros., but since Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars there have explicitly been boy and girl Toads. Toad is a boy, Toadette is a girl.

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

@@Umbra_J No, as I said in the video that’s not what Miyamoto said. Toads explicitly have gender.

@SUPERELIASK

2 жыл бұрын

@@seandwalsh3 thank goodness, thanks for saving my life

This video is great, informative and still to the point. It also highlights a major problem with the current Game Theory videos: That creating a shocking story is more important to them then making a waterproof theory.

@alexgerhard2245

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair that is honestly what I expect from a channel like this: theories take time, research, experimentation. But the problem with matpat is he is on a deadline: theories need to be posted on multiple channels almost weekly (with some week long gaps). Even with a team this is no easy task. You could be wrong and need to send it out anyway because you are out of time. You be working on something else and you are set back. At this point the only thing matpat really has going for these kinds of theories is that they teach us something along the way (in this case about mushrooms and their reproduction). And in the case with solving Lore you can’t afford any major mistakes so when you are set back you can’t release it unfinished. In turn when he makes a theory he cares more that it is releases rather then if it’s good simply because he needs …

@alexgerhard2245

2 жыл бұрын

…the money to pay his team. It is obvious that this theory was rushed (except maybe the part where they went through the games counting the toads, but then again they seemed to only count the sprites colours (and somewhat inaccurately)). Maybe he just needed the money, maybe he was held back when working on a poppy playtime theory and needed to find another quickly. Either way: as someone who theorises myself and is a fan of matpat. I honestly feel sad watching videos like this as it reminds me this. Either way, you are right in saying this and it does make me feel kind of annoyed that only certain videos of mat’s are actually made with care. Expect with Austin (I love every single one of his videos with every fibre of my being)

@ElFreakinCid

2 жыл бұрын

That's ALWAYS been what Game Theory is. Or at least since the "Mario is Mental", "Link is Dead" and "Mega Man is Evil" kind of shit began.

@SealyTheSeal

2 жыл бұрын

I concur. Some of his theories have other reasonable explanations within the canon that Matpat never mentions. Just mind boggling really.

@Oxygen1004

2 жыл бұрын

That's business, in one of his recent videos he even says he doesn't believe alot of his own theories and how they are just meant to make people think rather then him telling what he thinks

I keep forgetting that Piranha plants have bones. But it has teeth, so I guess it should've been obvious.

MatPat, wrong about something? Nooo, you don't say!

“I had to do the math” Matt’s most recent theories barely involve math whatsoever and evolved into tinfoil hat territory

@natstar7864

2 жыл бұрын

If he was good at math or anything else school related he would not only be doing youtube and nothing else with his life.

@crabulonbestgirl9130

2 жыл бұрын

remember when his theories were actual science, like doing the math to see if the hookshot would work in real life, not just lore and making mountains out of flat ground like nowadays.

@BatFan_Attic

2 жыл бұрын

Thats what makes it entertaining. Crack pot theories are fun to watch

MatPat is usually wrong about a lot of things

Miyamoto: **sits there and emotionlessly stares into nothingness**

That toad skeleton is the scariest thing I’ve seen all week

so, what you're saying is... toads are humanoid mammalian creatures in a state of symbiosis with mushrooms that provide camouflage and protection in exchange for its own survival. Toad colours are highly varied and have no correlation to age or gender, but is affected by powerups. mushroom colours also likely change to assist in further camouflage (since it turns green from them being in grass for long times). Toadette is in fact female (shown also from the fact the crown power-up turns her into a princess), and Toad is male. they're mammals since they can have moustaches, beards and pigtails the mushroom on their head can produce spores that grow regular mushrooms, meaning that is not how they reproduce. sexual reproduction is a possibility, though baby-delivering storks are canonical in-universe this is the power of debates, from one person being proven wrong we've learnt more about the subject than we would have previously

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly it! Glad to see you were able to glean all that from the video, love the attention to detail!

@eg_manifest510

2 жыл бұрын

@@seandwalsh3 one smaller detail I thought of after this comment is that the mushrooms that toads can create disappear quickly after growing, which could further imply that the mushrooms need a host for long-term survival

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting point! Not something I’d considered!

Magic shrooms 🥴

Matpats next video: "we were wrong"

The toads being mushroom like animals or some evolutionary link between them isn't too strange when you think about how mushrooms are much more similar to animals than plants

hey seandwalsh! it's me john. remember me? we both subscribed to miku. long time no see.

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

Hey!

You were so respectful and brought such good information. That I'm impressed that I never saw your channel before.

New theory: Toads are an advanced form of mushroom pikmin

Well that's unfortunate. MatPat should definitly watch this and respond to this.

I always assumed the mushrooms on toad were mushroom that toads used like hats

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

They’re attached to their heads, according to Yoshiaki Koizumi and pieces of in-game text.

@beanieboi7743

2 жыл бұрын

@@seandwalsh3 o ok didnt know that. Cause in a paper mario game it can be seen comming off one the toads heads and you see he is bald

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

@@beanieboi7743 the Conductor’s cap in Paper Mario is actually just being pulled up at the front, revealing more of his bare forehead. The caps connect to their heads in the middle, even allowing hair to grow down from underneath.

@beanieboi7743

2 жыл бұрын

@@seandwalsh3 o ok that makes sense

@Musicalquest

2 жыл бұрын

toad removes his hat once in the super mario bros cartoons idk which one though

Matpat is wrong about everything ever

@kootunesscrewy

2 жыл бұрын

Except for food. That's about it, sadly.

4:35 Yea all that just can hint their CAPS are mushrooms.... Nothing else...

This was a nice response video

And that’s why it’s important to do ALL your research. You get Mr. Potato Head over here coming in with some solid facts. Lol, nice job man. 👍🏻

more reason MatPat is *worst conspiracy theorist ever*

So their bone type creatures with plant based skin and clothing and dye change

Well, of course he is. He's always wrong. Doobus Goobus said so.

Wow I have never seen someone actually criticize mats content and be respectful/non passive aggressive before good on ya bud

@linhero797

2 жыл бұрын

I mean. It's all over the internet. Damn near anyone you can find debunking Mat Pat actually criticize him respectfully. At worst there are some, minor rude jokes. Made to entertain people. Ya know, jokes.

@TiredMoonRabbit

2 жыл бұрын

@@linhero797 it about the tone people have you can tell when people are being respectful and pretending to be respectful

@linhero797

Жыл бұрын

@@TiredMoonRabbit Care to elaborate? Perhaps an example? I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find someone out there but that's hardly a refkextion on the many Mat Pat debunkers who do remain respectful, and nothing to the ones who simply crack rude jokes at his expense.

Here is where I’d put a funny joke comment, but unfortunately I have no good ideas: just like MatPat.

5:06 this skeleton is so far away from looking like it's from a Mario game, holy fuck. So creepy, but hey, Toad has some nice teeth!

@SirThilliomAnimations

2 жыл бұрын

It looks like something straight out of Crow 64...

What's your opinion on the Milk Controversy from the Food Theory Channel?

Matpat has been wrong about so many things, thank you so much for properly calling him out for his bullshit.

remember guys, mat patt is always wrong

Not to mention in the super Mario animated series that I grew up watching there's like a few episodes we're toad takes the mushroom off his head like a hat

@skelefeddy7928

9 ай бұрын

this is a very late reply but the super show isnt canon. mario and luigi did not come from brooklyn and did not accidentally end up in the mushroom kingdom. they were born in the mushroom kingdom, as shown in the ending of yoshi’s new island. it has been officially stated that a toad’s mushroom is not a cap and is actually part of its head.

Keep it up my dude!!! A great job you did there!

This might be a little off topic but I need to say it somewhere. Watching Game Theory nowadays is nearly impossible for me. I know people always say "Game Theory was better back in the day" but practically none of those people can pin point what is wrong with modern Game Theory. I believe I know the reason. In the early days of Game Theory the theories were obviously meant to be take with a large dose of salt (ie: Mario Communist). Now a large majority of the theories are meant to be taken fairly seriously (Kirby's not a hero, Hollow Knight). This is a problem because Game Theory is pretty much a business now and they have a tight upload schedule. Because if this they now have multiple people researching at the same time, while also being under a deadline, trying to make a theory sound intelligent. The end result is almost always either a terrible theory that makes no sense, or just restating common lore in an annoying way. I think all of this is just an issue in direction. I propose they make goofy theories, and "serious" science based videos. I know this is personal taste but I think some of the best Game Theory episodes are science/math ones. The best example I can think of is the controversial Kirby episode. Mat Pat spends the entire video talking about how Kirby descends from a powerful ancient being, which is true, but the twist is while he does this he also talks about how Kirby is a piece of crap and is "nOt a HeRo". The entire video relies on miss information to prove this. But even if you remove the Kirby's not a hero part the video is still extremely basic. It's all information the fans already know. If you've taken an hour to research Kirby you probably know most of what he's saying in the video. Since Mat Pat received a lot of negative feedback he changed the direction for part two, making it a more sciencey episode, and I think it's one of his best. All it needed was a different direction. This video reminds me a lot of the Kirby one. Tons of wrong information and misplaced conclusions presented in a lacklustre way. The whole video stems from completely miss understanding one quote in an interview. Again, I do not hate Game Theory, I just think they could be so much better if they realise ground breaking theories are not viable with such a demanding upload schedule.

@SirThilliomAnimations

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not the biggest fan of game theories with actual science and facts behind them. I prefer the ones where he explores the lore and easter eggs inside a game, because I personally think he does a good job on those and I find them entertaining. Plus they let me explore new games I've never heard of.

@hajilee4539

2 жыл бұрын

@@SirThilliomAnimations I don't really see how anyone can say he does a good job on the lore theories when 90% of the time the lore is completely wrong. The purpose of a theory is to make an interesting assumption about a piece of media's lore. This is impossible if you do not even understand the lore in the first place, which is why he is so often wrong. It doesn't take talent to misunderstand something and then draw a misunderstood conclusion. I know it's not really my place but you can 100% like watching Game Theory, but I think you are also objectively wrong if you say he does a good job on them. They are not accurate and that is (to me) infuriating. Sure the videos are fine if you shut your brain off but that is not the point of a theory. So in conclusion, keep enjoying Game Theory, I'm totally not stopping you. But he should not be applauded for them in terms of lore since they can't hold up to even the smallest bit of scrutiny.

@SirThilliomAnimations

2 жыл бұрын

@@hajilee4539 That's true, I guess I just find the lore videos more entertaining and that's why I think he does a great job on them.

@hajilee4539

2 жыл бұрын

@@SirThilliomAnimations Yeah, different strokes for different folks. I actual have a good time making fun of the lore videos so I'll give them that. There are some however that make me very pissed and I just... Can't lol. When it comes to the internet and things I care about I get peeved easily. They do have some spicy production quality video wise.

I'm not sure why KZread recommended me this video. However, I stopped watching MattPat's videos over three years ago due to contradictions in several of his theory videos.

good thing i watched this video BEFORE GT's Video

Glad to see this was a level-headed response. A rare find these days.

That now makes me question why tf the piranha plants are sometimes shown to be in pots ( no I’m not talking about in smash ultimate )

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

So they can be carried around, or disguise themselves as potted plants.

@forkliftcertifiedguy7

2 жыл бұрын

Oh. Wow that’s smart for you know, an animal @@seandwalsh3

@seandwalsh3

2 жыл бұрын

@@forkliftcertifiedguy7 They’re quite intelligent and well-adapted to many environments. They’ve even got more advanced methods of mimicry for certain plants, as we see in Pirahna Patch from Mario Party 9: kzread.info/dash/bejne/g21qmLSNfZzOftI.html

@Mr_Scoopy

2 жыл бұрын

@@forkliftcertifiedguy7 There is no reason to believe that piranha plants aren’t sapient. Remember that humans are also animals.

@forkliftcertifiedguy7

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mr_Scoopy well I know about humans also being animals, but I guess fair

I'd love to see more theory based videos, especially from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. This was really enjoyable. Also nostalgic with the Mario RPGs.

I think he just jumps to conclusion quickly

I love how the entire internet has teamed up to say "NO, YOU'RE WRONG!" to matpat