Great assessment with lots of very helpful data. Thank you for all your work, it has helped so many.

Thanks for your brief assessment of the Z9 electronic shutter. This test puts to rest a lot of my speculations about potential readout speed limitations and associated artifacts. This mirrorless camera from Nikon seems to be a game changer, at least for me and my needs. PS: I am still wondering how such sensor readout is technically possible with CMOS without physical curtains…

z9 why you sooo goood. this is the first time I am seeing a real life demonstration of electronic shutter at work vs the mechanical. grateful for your work on this

Very clear demonstration. Thanks for the work on this.

@mathphotographer

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Nice test - exactly what I told you last year - the Z9 is better, than anything else (at least, if it comes to the el. shutter :)

Thanks again for the videos

Awesome content, thank you for this!

@mathphotographer

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind comment

Mal wieder sehr interessant. Dankesehr. Tatsächlich sehe ich sonst niemanden auf KZread, der diese Experimente so angeht bzw. Die z9 mit der z7ii. Und gerade das ist tatsächlich sehr gefragt. LG

@mathphotographer

2 жыл бұрын

Hey - herzlichen Dank für den netten Kommentar!

Great video!

Another informative and educational video. Another tour de force.

@mathphotographer

2 жыл бұрын

Ha! Many thanks 👍

@NikCan66

2 жыл бұрын

@@mathphotographer your welcome

Your science is the only science I trust. :) Very good video.

@mathphotographer

2 жыл бұрын

😉 Thanks!

Please compare z6 high iso noise vs Z9!!!!

Thanks for this experiment very interesting. I have seen something similar, however on the Z9 images as the shutter is in read faster and faster there appears to be like banding on the Z9 images, I dont know if its because of higher ISO’s due to shutter being faster or not. Is there any chance you can look into it, for example shutter 8000, 16000, 32000 and obviously the iso will be higher. I have ordered my Z9 and I am a little concerned as to why banding may appear or if its due to lighting or fast readout speeds. Much appreciate a comment. Thanks

@sodiumsalt

2 жыл бұрын

It's due to the fact that led lights oscillate at a certain frequency and fast cameras like the z9 can capture the moment where the leds go off momentarily.

that's awesome. Can you do a comp on Z6 III?

would love to see a comparison between a Z9 and other system other than nikon

@ele4853

2 жыл бұрын

you won't, at least until the copy cat start to launch pure electronic shutters. Nikon is the first in the world with pure electronic shutter. Kudos for Nikon!

Great test. I understand for high MP cameras they tend to have more noise at higher ISO than cameras with lower MP. Can you test this noise between the Z6 II and Z9??

@savagefrieze4675

2 жыл бұрын

Yes please, do this test!

@paulbusby2013

2 жыл бұрын

From what I've read, the consensus seems to indicate that the Z9's high ISO performance is 1/3 stop better than the Z7 & 1/3 stop worse than the Z6. Some are seeing poor results because they are processing RAW images using their existing workflow that includes 3rd party converters such ACR that is not yet optimised for the Z9!

@MyContestPix

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulbusby2013 What software do you recommend to eliminate these poor results until ACR is updated??

@paulbusby2013

2 жыл бұрын

@@MyContestPix NX Studio which is free but you may need to dial down default noise reduction a tad. If you normally use ACR, I suggest you experiment by comparing both or try a 3rd party de-noise program such as DeNoise AI (I haven’t tried it).

@MyContestPix

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulbusby2013 Cool, I have old old copy of Topaz Adjust AI!! Thanks!

I wonder if a stacked sensor behaves differently in terms of color, metering or anything else I can't think of at the moment.

@mathphotographer

Жыл бұрын

On sensor technology, there are basically two main features you can have: BSI (back-side illuminated) and "stacked". BSI helps in low light whereas "stacked" in particular boosts autofocus performance.

@Camrographer

Жыл бұрын

@@mathphotographer Ah, is the difference significant enough for one to choose one over another?

cool

Than you very much for the test. However I think test methology method is wrong. If you want to compare to sensor readout speed, than you should look at bottom and top frame time differences on an image. Therefore you should try to capture fan on vertical position. Youw example is hotizontal so time differences is too small on blades. If you capture on vertially, you should see more distortion between blades whish will give you speed of sensor readout on electronicshutter vs shutter speed (time differences between bottom to top) on mechanic shutter. If you want to emphasize camera sensor differences, you should repeat the test.

@mathphotographer

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting thought, let me think about that

I'm confused here - on the Z7II, you've used Silent Shutter mode instead of Electronic Shutter, I thought they were different? I have my Z6 set to auto (d6) as it happens.

@eiko4252

2 жыл бұрын

That d6 option is about electronic front curtain shutter (the front curtain part is important). It starts the exposure electronically but ends with mechanical shutter still closing (the last part is what mostly eliminates rolling shutter in that mode). Silent mode does not use the mechanical shutter at all, so that is the actual electronic shutter mode. So they are 2 totally different modes.

@paulbusby2013

2 жыл бұрын

@@eiko4252 - the reason I mention it is because it works very differently on the Z9 that's admittedly electronic only. Someone complained that their flash options were greyed out with Silent Mode enabled. Am not sure if they had tried to set flash from the gun instead - it would have worked or not.

@eiko4252

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulbusby2013 Since Z9 is always electronic, silent mode might change some other settings, that might interfere with flash. What the silent mode does in Z9 should be said in the manual and since I don't have Z9 myself, I don't specifically know. All I do know, is that to compare Z9 rolling shutter to cameras with mech shutter, those earlier cameras need to be in silent mode to enable fully electronic shutter and that is what the video did.

@MrShaun_D1

2 жыл бұрын

@@eiko4252 does silent mode take better shots?

@eiko4252

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrShaun_D1 No, it takes silent shots. Though in some cases, worse shots than with a mechanical shutter (if sensor readout is not as fast as Z9 for example).

Have you tried flickering lights like the new LED lights they install on streets? Those look awful with electronic shutter on any camera I've tried before the Z9. Those can look awful even on a mechanical shutter at 1/4000.

@mathphotographer

2 жыл бұрын

Need to look into that, thx for your thoughts

now do the Z9 at 1/32000

I assume you shot in raw at the highest quality setting.

@mathphotographer

2 жыл бұрын

I always shoot in RAW 😉

@mathphotographer

2 жыл бұрын

And compression loss free or without compression at all

@10:24 I am all for mechanical shutter. no for Z9. it is an inherited flaw, no wonder why D6 is still @ 6000+ $

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These shots don't look the same to me in quality. I would also like to see a test of how both cameras handle differently pulsating lights such as fluorescents.

How I wish you had shot the z9 at 1/32000 as well to see how sharp the fan blades would have got

@stefanwagener

2 жыл бұрын

How does this matter if we don't know the speed of the fans. Reducing the fan speed to half would lead to the same result. This was not a test of lens sharpness or depth of field. It should just point out how an electronic shutter speed compares to an mechanical shutter.

@lv8pv

2 жыл бұрын

@@stefanwagener it would have been comperable to 1/8000...

@stefanwagener

2 жыл бұрын

@@lv8pv I mean shooting the current fan speed at 1/32000 is the same as reducing the fan speed to half and shoot at 1/16000.

@lv8pv

2 жыл бұрын

@@stefanwagener wow you really did not start out at the front of the line...

As a Nikon DSLR shooter I'm still closer to buying a Sony camera for my next camera. Im hoping the AF in the Z9 finds its way to a mid market Nikon soon. I also hope they include 10 bit internal plus active stabalisation and gyro stabalisation like the new sonys have - oh and video backup.

@joshmcdzz6925

2 жыл бұрын

Same here...I am on the verge of switching to sony mirrorless and hold on to nikon dslr

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That's not the same result.. come on.. the turning blades on the Z9 look like they're melting. There's no mechanical shutter so the electronic should be better not worse and it isn't.. than I would switch to Canon. They have mechanical shutters in pro bodies.. thanks video was very good and interesting... now I know what not to chose...😂

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