PLEASE VOTE IN THE POLL D850, Z7, Z7II, Z9, Z7III / Z8 ? kzread.info/dron/jQ120w-el6FqOU7qt1iRew.htmlcommunity

@castieldiallo2945

2 жыл бұрын

As much as I like the D850, I wouldnt buy another in 2022. Mirrorless is the way to go. Studio or street photos with the D850 only as a back up camera that I didnt sell.

@ernie28ernie

2 жыл бұрын

@@castieldiallo2945 I'm in a similar position, but the D850 fits so perfectly in my hand and its ergonomics are a level above all mirrorless cameras I know, it will be missed deeply. So for the right price the D850 is a great tool and companion.

@castieldiallo2945

2 жыл бұрын

@@ernie28ernie at some point youll need to cut the cord, cobba. Try not to end up like those that still pine for the D700. A camera Nikon will mo longer service.

@ernie28ernie

2 жыл бұрын

@@castieldiallo2945 good point! But Nikon sells the D850 so they will service them for some time ;) I try to use my gear gently, but my track record is so-so ;)

@castieldiallo2945

2 жыл бұрын

@@ernie28ernie this is true. I made the switch not long ago. 90 percent if the time th Z2 will be better.

Nothing beats the D850 for landscape and wildlife photography...

@Bredddi

Жыл бұрын

Nothing beats the d850 or d5 in any type of photography. I don’t want 30fps, if I did, I’d just film everything and use stills from the video then promptly go Change out my protein straw and check my matrix plug to make sure I wasn’t thinking too hard.

@deanjelcic9299

Жыл бұрын

You jelaous about the Z cameras 😜

@kennypringle4580

Жыл бұрын

I have two d850’s and two d500’s. I’m content with no plans to move into mirrorless.

Another great video Matt. I just want to make a case for the D850 here. I own a D850, Z6II and a Z50. All great cameras, and for my personnel photography, different use cases. The Z50 is my travel and take anywhere camera. It is small and lightweight and generates beautiful images. I bought the Z6II to have a feel of the Z system (it was my first Z camera) and as a scouting camera. I primarily shoot landscapes. When I bought the Z6II I didn't want a D850 replacement (hence why I didn't bought a Z7). I take the Z6II when I go out to scout new places while the D850 is still my main camera. For my particular type of photography, there is noting the Z7 would give me that the D850 doesn't have. At current, I have no plans to replace my D850. And this is the point I want to make: people shouldn't upgrade just for the sake of an "upgrade". Yes mirrorless is the future but that doesn't mean the D850 is not a capable camera anymore. The D850 still works fine for many types of photography. And if the D850 works for someone, they should stick with it until a real upgrade comes along.

@lukes5533

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more , my D850 isn't going anywhere.

@darrenkearns80

Жыл бұрын

My D850 is staying also.

@michaelsmith697

Жыл бұрын

I’m thinking of getting the D850. It’s an awesome masterpiece of a camera. I have the Z50, nice little APSC camera, D7500 which is a great APSC, but in think the D850 with the backlight buttons would be magnificent. Heavy and big but magnificent. I use different cameras for different things. I want the high megapixel count for that extra detail that isn’t available with 20-24 MP

@Telewest792

Жыл бұрын

2023 just bought a D850 I’ll use it for sport and landscape i particularly wanted the 45 megapixels for the greater picture quality i also have the Olympus OMD em1x and the new om-1 along with the great lenses and weight saving for all day use but those two cameras only have 20 megapixels and I’ve wanted the D850 since i tried one out for a week just got to get the trinity of lenses and I’ll good to go

Image quality-wise the D850 still has an edge over everything else except medium format.

@s.gharavi1614

Жыл бұрын

That would be inaccurate in almost all categories. There's definitely a few advantages, but very very few.

Thanks for your great review Matt. For myself as a non professional enthusiast, I just can't justify selling my D850 and lenses to update to the Z system and lose a lot of money , it still does everything I need without shelling out thousands more $. Cheers👍

I'm a casual amateur landscape and vacation shooter and bought the Z7 a year after release. I see no reason for me to replace it. It was, for me, a significant investment. Buying more glass though; having the 24-120 on order 🙂

I would love a Z9 but during the sanctions and lack of income from my primary source for 3 years due to covid shutting down tourism, the Z9 is off my options list. If I was still living in the US with 10 times the income I would also have 15 times the expenses. So my current line up of cameras has to cover jobs. My income is now about 75% photography and the remainder repair of pro audio gear. Luckily I live where one can survive nicely despite no income for 3 years from the primary business. What has developed however is an increasing client base in photography with commercial sessions 3 or more times a week, mostly actor portfolios and work for casting directors. My go to camera is the lowly Z6 which I love and my back up is the D850 and its backup is the D800. In-studio conditions, there is no practical difference between them. In the location work that can be 12 hours with a camera in hand, the handling of the Z6 wins the day. Both the D cameras have grips. I recently sent my D800 into the local warranty station to replace the bottom grip signal/power connector and it cost $105. Here that is a lot but back home it would have been spare change. But getting the camera back, I had to check the serial because I suspected they gave me back the wrong cameras since it showed none of the 10 years of rough treatment all over the world. It looked like new, felt like new and called the tech. He said he had some old new stock of panels so he replaced everything, and did not charge me because he felt bad for changing $105. Complete cleaning and replacing buttons that were losing the label ink. I used on the next studio session with a favorite actor, who I used to date and she introduced me to the casting community. I am not sure if the difference was real or just imagined but that session was a joy to use that workhorse again and the results were very satisfying. What really matters is the intangibles more than the camera bodies. Any cameras made in the last 12 years is suitable for client pleasing results. I had forgotten how good ALL the Nikon bodies have been since the D3. I am no longer wishing for a Z9. When things get back to normal the option will be easily affordable but until that time I am very happy with the Z6/D850/D800. I am doing a location shoot this last few days in Kyrgystan and flying home in 3 hours. I have a lot of top 1.4 and 2.8 Nikkor F lenses, 18 from 12mm to 200, and always loved them but the Z6 and an 85 1.8 S sure reveal the limitations of the D bodies, they only work on F mount lenses

I just sold my Z7 and decided to stick with the D850 and a D800 backup for the next few years. The Z7 is superior in some aspects, but that is not the limiting factor in my photography. ;-)

Great video!!! I recently bought the z7ii and love it. Your tip about turning the camera off and then on to focus at infinity has been a huge help with my astrophotography shots. Thank you!!!

I’d love a Z9, but it’s just a bit outside my budget…. Well, all the cameras you listed are beyond my budget actually. Until I start to make some money off my photography, I’ll keep with the King of the crop, my trusty D500. Thanks again for your insight and information. Cheers from the great white North (Alaska).

Remember with so many people moving to the Z9 there are amazing deals to be had on the D850 and I mean amazing. I picked up my second D850 20k clicks with two lenses a battery grip and batteries a nice bag an intervelometer and a mic for 3k usd.

Another great video from you Matt. Got the z6ii and zfc (coral pink, of course 😜). Z6ii was my upgrade from my trusty D800, which was perfect for me. When my budget allows, will upgrade to z7ii (or which ever iteration is most current). Keep up the good work Matt, look forward to your new vids

D800E user here with a decent amount of F mount glass, but I'm ready to move to mirrorless, mostly due to the video capability. This is probably the best comparison/review video that I have seen yet. Extremely well done. I don't understand how. you don't have WAY more subscribers than you do. Subscribed!

@MattIrwinPhotography

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Rob, glad to have you onboard. Cheers Matt :)

Thanks for another great vid matt. All very compelling cameras. I’d be happy with any of the z cameras, but happiest with the z9. I think I’ll pick up a z9 tomorrow. :-) I’m looking forward to getting out with it and taking it through its paces in every environment.. which is why it’s the best choice for me. The variety of photography and video I do will not be in any way limited by the z9. It will get me out doing more of what I love. See you on the streets soon young man. 👍🏻

Twelve years with a D700, 16-35, 24-70, 70-200 with absolutely no complaints. Primarily a landscape photographer thus the speed factor is eliminated. Large hands so I’m not comfortable with a tiny camera body… Yesterday I purchased a D850 as an addition to my bag, not a replacement.

B&H has had the D850 on sale for $2500. My D850 is plenty good enough for me. I am not jumping on the mirrorless bandwagon. Maybe if I did video I would sing another tune but I don't do video

I was a slow adopter of mirrorless and held on to my favorite "duo" at the time, (D810 and D500) until a year after the first Z cameras appeared. My first was a Z6, then later a Z7, and finally, a Z6II. After going through the small learning curve, adjusting to mirrorless, and seeing the superior results with Z lenses, I decided to make the jump complete. I've traded all my F-mount glass for Z glass, and purchased a Z9, which I finally received about a week ago. No turning back for me! I am more excited about the Z9's capabilities than any camera in my previous experience, and am having a blast. (I've kept the Z6II for the certain night shooting situations... Not astrophotography or other long exposures, but for night shots while traveling, using higher shutter speeds) It's another exciting time to be a photographer.

Upgraded from a d810 to a z7ii 9 months ago and very pleased. Yes, would love a z9, but can’t justify that with my wife😂😂😂

Good comparison video!!

Great vid Matt and undeniably viewer's will I hope form their opinions based around THEIR use case and buy sensibly, which is what I'm doing First and foremost I'm a Landscape and night sky photographer and love to shoot wildlife when the occasion presents itself. Based on the years of rhetoric from all points of the compass I've steadfastly (and I'm glad that I have) stuck with my D850 and native F-mount NIKKOR glass and not switched YET to mirrorless. My reason? The D850 will remain forever arguably the best DSLR ever from any manufacturer and it will for me take a decent mirrorless replacement (I hope from NIKON the Z8?) to replace my already round wheel. Anybody who knows Nikon and has shot with them will mostly agree that for the genera I've mentioned you simply cannot overlook the D850. That's not to say the current Z line up can't do what my trusty D850 workhorse will do but until that day arrives well, we'll see. I truly hope Nikon will produce a belter of a Z camera to replace a belter of a DSLR in the D850, whatever comes it has big shoes to fill. Thanks again Matt and love your channel!

Well put Matt. I fit in with the Z7 II upgrade route you discribed and have the vertical grip the whole unit fits my hand perfectly, still using F mount glass while slowly upgrading to Z Len's as needs must, the 70-200 vr s is awesome. That said, I still get great wildlife shots with my F 200-500 with X 1.7 - up close and sharp detail.

Thank you for the content and what appears to be a fair comparison. As a new-ish photographer and one mostly interested in birds and wildlife (for now), I have a D500 and a D850 with 300mm and 500mm PF lenses. Let me tell you, the shots with the D850 with the 500 PF are stunning (mostly handheld!). With that said, when Nikon came out with the 800mm PF for the Z mount, I sank. So realizing that the PF line for F mount is most likely ending with the 500PF, I went shopping for a Z mount. My Z7ii is being delivered tomorrow, with the FTZ2 adaptor. Sounds like I chose wisely, for my needs at least. At this point, I do not plan on selling my D850. We'll see, but I love that camera...cheers!

@MattIrwinPhotography

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers let us know how you go with the z7II😀

Brilliant exposure of too many options Matt. Love your style. Would love a Z9 but budget suggests a Z7ii.

I was shooting with a D750 but during Covid upgraded to the Z7II. Awesome camera. Travel, portraits, products, low light, action,etc. I bought the battery grip to add vertical options, bigger grip and 2nd battery. Recently did some video work on a cooking exposition. I am thrilled with this camera and the continuous software updates from Mikon. And yet, I find myself lusting for the Z9. Your video helped me realize that I don’t shoot professional sports or much wildlife. I am very happy with my Z7II and it still works great with my F lenses & Sigma lenses with the FTZ2 adapter.

Interesting run through Matt. I got Z7 when it came out and love it as landscapes my thing. Getting more into wildlife but finding Z7 limiting and picked up a D500 as a stop gap. Z9 seems a big leap and despite what you said about size, I don’t want that bulk, but perhaps I should consider it. Also, just to remind ourselves that Canon and Sony are offering more of an all-in-one body so many of us looking at the Z v3 to see what’s on offer. Of course, we’re not expecting Z9 but something competitive.

Thanks for the advice Matt. I can afford the Z9 but gonna stick with my trusty D700.....Why?....think all types of DSLR cameras whether mirrorless or whatever are going down the Microsoft/Apple marketing style....Win7 Win10....Iphone 10 iphone 13....Pro etc. I used to shoot 35mm film and loved it but sadly processing , film and chemicals etc became very expensive. I will say 1 very profound thing though......film made you a good Photographer unlike Digital which can make you "appear" to be a good shooter thanks to Photoshop.....???

i own the z9 since almost 4 month; this camera is very amazing, i would never go back to older systems!

The Z7II is my current camera, and it is a champ. I have been astonished by the quality of the sensor, and while there are things I miss about my D500 (though not enough to get it out of my closet and shoot with it) i.e. great night shooting viewfinder, lighted buttons, and ability to use my old screw-drive macro, I have simply been blown away by the combination of the Z7II’s sensor and Z optics. I am also still holding out hope for a Z50 sized body, full-frame, with a nice pancake zoom that would be amazing for backpacking and travel.

I agree with the analysis that mirrors my move to Z7ii and Z6ii with 5 lenses so far. But I have 2 use cases that, as a hobbyist, keep me in some F’s. 1: I just enjoy shooting my D4, 700, 750 with screw mount and AF-S lenses. 2: I save $12,000 on a Z9/800mm by continuing with my D500 and 500 f4 w/1.4 TC. Together with the D4 and my 200-500 I have equivalent focal lengths 200-1,000. I know that with future offerings I’ll be going a different direction for #2 but I’m saving my 12G for now.

My uses case: Landscape photography and family photos. Advanced amateur of 40 years experience. I have the Zfc, Z6 and Z7II mirrorless cameras. I also kept my D850. One thing I really value about mirrorless is how light the camera/lens combos can be…for me the Z7II with 24-120mm Z glass is my every day set up, with Z primes for people pics, low light and macro. Z6 and Zfc for even lighter photowalks with the 40mm f2 and 28mm f2.8 Z glass attached. That is, until winter. Here in Canada, I often shoot at -20C and wear bulky photography gloves. The D850 just works better in deep cold. Way better battery life. Much easier to clear the viewfinder of thick frost from my breath. No toggle between viewfinder and back screen. Button are just easier to use when you have numb fingertips. When its that cold, I find the Zs a bit more difficult to operate, even with the grip. My D850 with f2.8 Trinity glass is still an awesome camera combo in 2022. If $ fell into my lap, I would get Z9 in a heartbeat, but its unjustifiable based on my current use case….$ to lenses instead.

My D850 just keeps nailing the shots especially with the 500mm pf as I'm a birder. When I go mirrorless probably the Z8 the D850 will be in the buffalo leather bag too. Would love to have the Z9 if I needed it. Otherwise mirrorless is going to drive the price down on F glass and the DSLR which still works amazing making it easier to point anyone asking what to buy.

If the Z8 is a gripless, 45MP, Expeed 7, Z9 AF capabilities, reasonable video specs - then that's for me. And ... I want the Z 200-600mm.

Maybe not your target audience, but there was one area you may have touched on, and that's the amateur/enthusiast shooters. I totally agree that a Z9 would, for pro togs, pay for itself. All I have seen in reviews is that it's a great investment. For me, as an amateur with enough of a budget to but pro, but not top of the line pro, The choice between Z7, Z7ii and D850 is an interesting one. For the record, I picked up a D850 in 2021, a 50th birthday gift to myself, upgrading my 10 year old D7000, and finally slipping into Full Frame. The Z7ii was not out yet so really it was Z7 vs D850, but lets say I'm making the same decision now. Whilst the prices are similar, upgrading from a prior F-mount Nikon means that I would need the FTZ (or FTZii) converter. Then there is battery life, over 1800 shots on the D850, compared to 330 and 420 on the Z7's. Even on a 3 hour modelling shoot, or a day wandering around a foreign city, I am unlikely to shoot 1000 shots ... but I could shoot several hundred. That means I need another 1, maybe another 2 batteries as well. In pricing I looked up on the Aus website where I got the D850 .... prices are now AUD 3,611 for the D850 AUD 4,053 for the Z7 + FTZii + 2 x EN-EL15c AUD 5,465 for the Z7ii + FTZii + 2 x EN-EL15c What do I get for the additional cost? Well.. not a lot. The Z9 is worth double the price (especially for a pro) but 50% more for the Z7ii? 12% more for the Z7 when you look at comparisons like Camera Decision where the Z7 and D850 are ostensibly identical, with the Z7 having poorer battery life and being smaller for my fat fingers. For now ..... Z7ii might be OK if you feel the need to get into the new system, but for a prosumer, upgrading with existing glass ... D850 is still a clear winner, even today.

Very interesting topic and it really helps. I got rid of all my Nikon gear. I really missed some of the lenses including a 200mm F/2, the 300mm PF F/4, and the 105mm F/1.4. I went to Leica, the SL mount, and although the glass is superb and the Leica SL2 is a very good camera, there was no getting away from the fact that the Nikon lenses I miss were also exceptionally good. I had a brief time with a Z7 and was very disappointed with it compared to a D850 but the D850 would never be able to do what modern mirrorless cameras could do when it came to autofocus. I am really impressed with the Z9 so while I intend to keep the Leica gear, I intend to pick up a Z9 and build up a collection of F and Z mount lenses to complement my Leica gear. For wildlife, sports, and events, it is clear that Nikon is back in the running against Sony and Canon.

Love your videos Matt 😊. I have a Nikon Z6 presently and thinking of upping to Z7ii, thanks to this video. Keep those videos coming…love your accent. I am from Canada eh 😊

Went back and forth between Z7 ii and a 850. All but one of my lenses are Nikon F mount. I ended up renting a Z7 ii and FTZ ii for 10 days. I ordered a Z7 ii a couple days ago. I am mostly shooting portraits.

I own the Z7 and 24 1.8, 50 1.2, 105 1.4 and 70 200Z , after the new AF update it's pretty sticky and working good for my portrait/event work. I am holding out for a Z7iii/Z8 depending on what Nikon does in future hopefully to improve low light performance a little

That is why I chose the Z7II. I am not a sports or wildlife photographer but I do take pics when it is available. I have all of the Nikon Z F/1.8 S Primes plus the 40mm and 28mm lens. I use the Tamron F mount F/2.8 24-70mm and 70-200mm with both type of FTZ adapters. The MC 100mm and 50mm are fantastic also. the Nikkor 14-30mm F/4 S is excellent. So I have tried all of the Z cameras with their kit lens plus picked up the DX 18-140mm and I agree with your view. Use the camera best for your needs. The most important thing that was told to me which I agree with is that cameras come and go but glass are the jewels that you will keep longer until something special replaces it. Price, performance, portability and ease of use are what keep me using Nikon. I own all of the Zed cameras as you know and I am still on the fence for the Z9 because of 8k but how many people watch on tvs or computer monitors for that resolution especially when they have their cellphones. Love your story telling and videos. Stay safe and keep Smiling! Cheers!

@MattIrwinPhotography

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Randall

@novicemoviemaker

2 жыл бұрын

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@enricodjakman5710

Жыл бұрын

You are right, most TV and electronics here in Asia is still 4K because 8K is still expensive for common people. No point to produce 8K while people will play it in 4K. Just a waste of money.

"closet z9 lover" hilarious. "Always consider your use case" because - a Nikon body is just the razor, they are primarily an optical expert so you need to save up for their razor blades. Finally, very fair statement about D850 and other DSLR, if you need it for sports and wildlife, it's still the better tool.

Hi Matt, nice to have the Z7ii still part of the conversation with all the justifiable excitement about the Z9. As a Z7ii owner, I am looking forward to further firmware updates, mainly to improve autofocus on moving subjects. I am wondering how some of the Sony cameras (which I am told have a stickier autofocus) compare with the Z7ii in terms of processing power. My thought is that if the processing power in the Sony bodies is in the same league as the Z7ii and the Sony cameras really are better at autofocus, there should be lots of headroom for improved focusing in the Z7ii. I really enjoy your channel and also your night time urban photography which is inspiring some of my own efforts. All the best from Toronto.

I had the Z6... changed for the Z7ii and now I have the Z9 since 3 months... I really loved my Z6! so easy, fast and good image quality... some disappointment with the Z7... not about the camera by itself, but not a significant difference (on real life) with the Z6... keeping my Z6 would be a smarter move! but... now... the Z9.... other playgrounds! way too much video features for my needs... but, just fun, very fun to use!

I went from a D850 to a Z7. And now from a Z7 to the Z9. The shooting experience from both Z cameras feel about the same, except for the lightning fast AF and bursts from the Z9. I've only had my Z9 for 3 days so time will tell other small niggles but so far it's amazing!

I had owned (2) D850's sold one of them and my 200-500mm lens to justify the Z9, no regrets, will keep the D850 until a Z8 comes out (eventually). Take care Matt, great discussion and spot on.

Many people do not want to leave the Nikon D lens lineup due to the lower element count on the lenses and because of the excellent micro contrast and character. The only way Nikon can persuade older D-lens shooters to quit DSLRs is to manufacture a screwdrive lens adapter for the F mount to Z mount. This way, the photographers will not be concerned about losing their D lenses. Nikon should be able to do this because Sony has already made the Sony LA-EA5 auto focus adapter, which has a motor for focusing screwdriver A-mount lenses on E bodies.

@mikenorton2727

Жыл бұрын

Hi Albert, That would be a great to happen. Nikon FX is not going far for myself.BUT Would love a Z lens on a FX system for fun without the micro bellows possibly usage ( Nikon PB6).

I went 'all the way' and have 0 regrets, lol. As Matt says, the actually bang for buck is insanely good. It's double the price of a Z7, but it is much more than double the camera.

Love the D850 … Tremendous camera. I don’t shoot sports, very little wildlife and no video. My next camera might be medium format which makes more sense than swapping to mirrorless to me and I’ll keep my D850 and F glass.

I would love a Z7II, I got the Z6ii but I like to shoot landscape and macro the most, but I also do family photos and portraits. It just wasn't fully in the budget, but hopefully in the near future!

Nice video Matt. Well, I had the Beast (D850) and planned to keep it as a forever. Possibly use it and get a Z7 as my new main. Well that was until accidentally I dropped my D850 (which was in superb condition / low shutter count) in a pool with my back pack. I ended up replacing it with a Z7II. Wow! The technology jump was awesome. I later plan to get the Z9 (or Z9II) as my future main with my Z7II as my 2nd camera. Still rocking my legacy glass which works great with the F to Z adapter. I’ll add some new Z glass soon. I am loving the new Z glass that Nikon has squeezed out lately, high quality. Still miss the legacy D850, best DSLR ever.

Good comparison, I have been transitioning to the Z system over the past few years and since the Z9 has come out I have only the Z6ii and Z9 bodies, and only one F mount lens in my kit. It has been a painful transition, but I now feel confident that I made the right decision.

For me, the deal breaker with regards to the Z cameras (and their like competition) is their e-viewfinders. Even the very best e-viewfinders today are no match for the traditional viewfinder in terms of providing a realistic-looking view/image - and not as if looking at a mini TV image. I'll stick with my D3X and D810, thank you.

@turgs1

Жыл бұрын

Agree, I have the d500

@kangzau1006

Жыл бұрын

Don't rent or borrow any Z body, because I did so and now I cannot stop thinking about ownership. Z system has arrived.

Nice comparison Matt. There's a couple of points I'd like to make, though: in actual use, it turns out that the D850 has a more reliable AF than the Z7 (II) for stills (obviously not for video; video AF is really subpar on the D850), despite having less AF points and less sensor coverage. Depending on what you shoot, that may be important. Konstantin Kochkin from Grays of Westminster pointed that out a while ago when saying that he still relied on the D850 as opposed to the Z7 (II) for his critical work. I don't know if firmware version 1.40 changes that in favor of the Z7 II, it remains to be seen. Strangely, I've seen almost no reviews at all of this firmware's effects so far (certainly none from major YT channels). On the other hand, the D850 unfortunately doesn't have IBIS - since 45 MP make even the slightest camera shake evident at low to moderate shutter speeds without image stabilization, there's a potential loss of sharpness if you don't use VR lenses, especially longer ones. Fortunately, one can make up for that by increasing the shutter speed (at the price of increasing ISO or using a flash as well if you want to keep the depth of field fixed) or using a tripod. I'd also like to expand a bit on ergonomics, size and weight, which were briefly addressed in the video: the Z7 (II) is indeed smaller and lighter than the D850, but the grip is not as comfortable (especially for people with larger hands), as you pointed out. On the other hand, the extra size and weight of the Z9 due to the integrated vertical grip are not for everyone, unless the features unique to the Z9 outweigh that for one's use case (no pun intended). The superb ergonomics and the particular weight of the D850 makes for perfect balance with larger F-mount primes which are not long telephoto lenses, such as the delicious Nikkor 105mm f/1.4E (for which, by the way, there is no planned replacement/upgrade in the current Z-mount roadmap). Finally, it's a different choice if you already have the D850. Neither the Z7 (II) nor the Z9 are obvious upgrades to it - there are quite a few tradeoffs in either case, especially considering the investment to be made and how much you'd be able to sell your current D850 for (supposing you're willing to do it). There still is no true mirrorless successor to the D850 in Nikon's lineup yet, and I agree with you that neither did Nikon intend the Z7 (II) to be it - as evidence of that, the D850 and the Z7 (II) still remain in the same price range. As for me, right now I'd rather get a Z6 II (or, more desirably, an Expeed 7-equipped future upgrade of it) as a cheaper, lighter, more video-capable and IBIS-enabled path to Z glass but only as a companion to my D850, rather than a replacement.

@ernie28ernie

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Pedro, good points! Some complements from my perspective: The AF of the Z7 II is more reliable in my experience for portraits, landscape, macro and other static subjects. It's spot on almost every time, whereas with the D850 there can be some variations. But with AF-C and fast subjects (BIF, etc.) the D850 is more flexible and has proven AF modes (group, d9, d25, ...) the Z7 lacks. The grip is better with the D850, so is the round eyepiece. I also like the backlit buttons on the left hand side, the mode buttons/wheel. But the BKT and AF Buttons I miss the most ;) The biggest advantage of the Z7 II are it's lenses, they are simply fantastic and stunning :) Cheers, Martin

@PedroLauridsenRibeiro

2 жыл бұрын

@@ernie28ernie hi Martin, I second your point regarding Z glass. For me, it's the main reason to switch to the Z system (IBIS being a relatively close second). However, there the cost of the transition has an important role to play. For my use cases, I'm still unconvinced the other pros of the Z7 (II) outweigh the cons as compared to the D850 enough to justify the cost of switching to Z - the only thing I really miss having on the D850 is IBIS (lackluster contrast-detect video AF is something I can live with, since my video needs are limited to static subjects). As for the Z9, it clearly matches or outperforms the D850 on everything except dynamic range on low ISO, but it's way beyond my budget and too large and heavy for my use. Good point regarding the eyepiece. As for AF, it's an overall impression I've seen from different reviewers, but I don't know specifics for each use case. The Z6 (II) and the Z7 (II) notoriously struggle with AF for moving subjects, especially as compared to the D850, which doesn't even have a proper eye tracking mode but works really well with the modes it does have (group, 3d, etc.). Interestingly, Nikon brought 3d tracking back in the Z9. Another problem with AF on the Z6 (II) and the Z7 (II) which seems to be a common problem of hybrid phase-detect/contrast-detect AF systems of mirrorless cameras (not just Nikon) is a difficulty in changing between focus subjects either too close or too far in the same frame due to lack of sufficient residual contrast in the out-of-focus subject, which is common for e.g. bird photography. In the same situation, the pure phase-detect AF system of the D850 struggles far less. I don't know if Nikon managed to solve that with the Z9.

Matt. Thanx for the rundown of these cameras. I think this is the best comparison I’ve seen. I’m only an enthusiast but I have all three camera bodies. D850, Z7II, and Z9. Love all three and will VERY reluctantly be trading my D850 and some f-mount glass when the 600mm or 200-600mm Z lens comes out. Out of all the blogs on cameras, I like yours best. Its honest, positive, and doesn’t knock other systems. ( so many have resorted to negative controversy to get clicks). Keep up the great content. And I think you are spot on in your views and content. We need the click sluts to go back to just good content so those of us who are not professionals can learn and get better. Thanx for your positive and informative content.

@kibbo00

2 жыл бұрын

Matt receive a weird response to my comment above that says it’s from you. It’s not in context of what you would send. Plus bad grammar. Wanted to make you aware. I believe it’s a scam and is trying to appear to be you. FYI

Totally with you, Matt. I don't need a Z 9 for what it can do more and prefer the smaller size and lighter weight of the Z 7ii (that I ordered unseen when announced - selling my Z 7). The Z S-class glass is phenomenal and the f/1.8S lenses are in another league than the gold ring G and E F-mount lenses before. If Nikon had released firmware 3.4 to the Z 7 already when they announced the Z 7ii, the decision to upgrade would have been more difficult. With the Z 7ii at firmware level 1.4 now, I feel that significantly more is possible. Yes, I still have a D and some manual and screwdriver (AF-D) lenses, but would rather standardize to one (Z) platform, if possible. In the Z "S" primes, there's one you really need to try - the 105/2.8S macro. While Nikon solved my problems I had with them since I bought my first Nikon in 1975 (F2) - chromatic aberration in, and tint differences between, lenses - this 105/2.8S does that but also renders beautifully soft while being extremely sharp. And, if your trench-coat has large enough pockets, then a Z 7ii with a 28/2.8 (non S-class) is an excellent, almost pancake, walkabout lens.

My primary camera is the D850. I also have a Z6. The F-Mount E series glass works amazingly well on my Z6. I feel no urgency to change cameras. I use my D850 for action and wildlife. I use my Z6 for portraiture and small events.

Very good informative Video Matt. I was wondering if I really need to give up my F mount lenses, now I am feeling comfortable with using the FTZII. Thanks.

D850 all the way for dynamic range 😊

Hoping the Z8 is like what the D700 was to the D3 ... D3 lite! Had the option of a battery grip for more juice, but could be lighter if desired. Loved both of them for different reasons (both a step up from D2x!). Evening video capture on the bridges segments made me audibly WOW for imagery magic only a Merlin with best practices/equipment display. Kudos, mate!

@sunandks

6 ай бұрын

I still use D700 as my primary camera. Will jump towards a pre owned D5 in a couple of months

Dear Matt, my biggest problem with the Z9 is just getting it.I ordered mine on 28 October 2021 while watching your video but I’m still waiting. My legacy glass was my prime reason for choosing the Z7 almost 3 years ago. My biggest problem with the Z7 is from missed focus. I miss focus more often with the Z7 than with my 4 year old Sony RX100M6. I’m getting better. The first flagship I bought was an F2S. The Z9 is my second (other than a backup F2 Photomic). Thanks for another great video. I look at the Z9 as the best tool to let my photography skills grow.

@MattIrwinPhotography

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Barry, they are so popular at the moment, my local store told me they shipped 40 units last week, I am not sure if that was the one store of the chain of 7, but it is great to hear units are moving around the world. Which country are you in again? Cheers Matt

Great video as usual Mat, sold all my digital F mount gear in December D500 , D850 and 11 lenses, bought a Z6ii I'd previously owned the Z6 but got rid of it. added 70-200, 24-70,14-30 and a 20mm, ordered my Z9 last October and received it second batch mid January. I love it I partnered it up with the only F mount lens I kept a 500PF with a 1.4TC it's a superb combination, picked up my Z1.4TC yesterday and am still waiting for the 105 MC and the 100-400, will think about the 800 but will have to sell my wife or my Olympus system. keep up the good work and goodbye from an overcast England.

I just recently upgraded from a cropped sensor dslr to the z5 and I’m loving it. My plan is to start building up a collection of good lenses before upgrading cameras so I haven’t put much thought into what can’t next camera will be. As it stands right now I think I would shoot for the z7ii but maybe by that point there will be a z7iii or something else entirely that I may be more inclined to get. Who knows? Only time will tell.

I only ever upgrade so I still have the D850 but when I get my next body it will be the Z9 as I can see with that body a leap in what I can do with the D850 currently A few needs come first before a want

@berthaduniverse

2 жыл бұрын

Right there with you Blythe. As a gigapixel shooter, I'm going to wait for a 60-90mp ff Z body, maybe a Z-8.

@blythewarland6688

2 жыл бұрын

@@berthaduniverse wouldn’t it be awesome if Nikon took up Matt’s idea of a medium format sensor in the Z body. 60 or 80mp medium format with the rest of the Z9 magic now that I would sell things to get

Thanks for this lineup, Matt. What a choice, huh? I handled a Z9. It’s a beautiful piece of equipment without a doubt. I’ve owned a D2x, and a D3, D4 & D5. I fell in love, though, with the handier size and feel of a Z7II! I don’t shoot sports (and very little wildlife) so this model works perfectly for me. I passed on the Z9 - but I would certainly jump at an improved Z7III (Z8 ?). Nikon has entered exciting times with their mirrorless lineup.

@MattIrwinPhotography

2 жыл бұрын

Well said Leonid, and I think a lot of people are also waiting to see what is next :) Fingers crossed it is not too long off :) Cheers Matt

Rocking a D780, waiting for the Z6III to see what that looks like

@MattIrwinPhotography

2 жыл бұрын

Love that plan

I shoot mostly sports and wildlife with my Z7ii. It works very well, other than for birds in flight. Do I want to spend another couple of thousand pounds to correct this ? I'm not so sure. What I need is a Z7II with the autofocus of the Z9. I have no use for all the other bells and whistles.

I made the decision to sell my d850 with my 70-200 2.8 DSLR lens to subsidize the Z9 , so then the cost leap was far less for me to get this camera, i had the Z6 and kept that too as well as the Z 70-200 2.8 S lens. Mirrorless is the way , i shoot a number of things from sport to portraits and also need silent modes . I kept my D4 and a few lenses which includes a fantastic sigma 300 2.8 prime which also works great on the Z9 but a bit sluggish on my Z6 . No regrets !

Because the Z7ii has now been out for a fair while now I would be reluctant to buy it new at this late point As soon as the Z9 orders are delivered and the excitement dwindles, I believe Nikon will know doubt announce the release of the “Z8” It will obviously be far superior although similar price to the current Z7ii and the second hand prices of all previous generations will drop

Speaking as a current D5 user..... I will be getting a Z9. No questions asked. I know this as a wonderful melbourne photographer let me have a short "play" with his Z9 attached via the adapter to my old 400mm 2.8 and it was amazing!! Since that time I have picked up the FTZii adapter and tested all my F mount glass on my Zfc. It all works. Even the old version 1 of the Tamron 70-200 2.8!!! This means that I can take my time in replacing my glass with the Z mount (s) glass. This is good for my wallet!

Thanks for posting Matt. It all comes down to what you are shooting. As purely a landscape and portrait photographer who does a lot of hiking with a backpack filled with gear, the Z7 is as good as it gets with its smaller size and weight. I had been using the 810, 850 combination but compared to the Z7, they both feel like dated bricks and I rarely use them. I still have my 850 as a security blanket, but the Z7 has all of the same features for landscape plus more. The EVF for landscape is a huge advantage, but he real game changer is the Z glass. The trinity zooms are scary sharp and now the gold standards of the industry. For landscape and not needing autofocus, there is no need to get the Z7II, better to save your dollars for the fabulous glass.

@pm-ec1fc

Жыл бұрын

I think there are still advantages for the D850 as a landscape camera: the infinite dynamic range of the OVF, the ability of preview of FoV (all the Z cameras, including the Z9 stop at f5.6), and better battery life. The only advantages of Z cameras is the weight and the Z lenses. Not sure why Nikon decides to limit the Z cameras at f5.6. It seems there is not such limit in video mode. It seems also strange that it means that there are not only upgrades for the Z cameras, but also downgrades compared to D cameras.

I fit your Z7II customer description exactly, and that's what I just traded up to from a Z5. I don't do sports/wildlife and I'd rather avoid the giant size/weight of the dual grip camera format. I had some recent F lenses and used the adapter some but have traded over to Z lenses except for a couple oddities like a fisheye and tilt/shift still being F for now. I really like your moody dark ambiance night photography. I've done some and hope to copy that feel more myself.

@jfranco3281

2 жыл бұрын

I have a z7ii and still thinking about purchasing a z9. From what I have researched, the z7ii has better dynamic range. I was considering the z9 for the everything camera with improved autofocus but the size is holding me back. Waiting to to see what Nikon will do with the z7iii. I don't need 8k video...The z7ii auto focused works well enough for me for portraits and video. Take a look at my examples on my KZread channel.

@MattIrwinPhotography

2 жыл бұрын

@@jfranco3281 Tough choice Jason, the dynamic range difference at base ISO and 800 onwards, is basically the same as the Z7 II, I have used the Z9 for portraits and it is lots of fun, and i personally love the size and the vertical grip. Checked out your channel, Z7 II looks like it is working really well on tracking eyes for you. Cheers Matt

@MattIrwinPhotography

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff, hopefully one day I am in your part of the world, and I can do some photo walks and capture some night images, I am hoping to travel again late this year or sometime next year, to Europe and North America. Cheers Matt

@jfranco3281

2 жыл бұрын

@@MattIrwinPhotography Thank you for your insight. The ISO range is within the range of what I typically shoot so that's great to know. I would like to get into astro photography with the 14-24 2.8 lens, do you have any experience to share with that lens for astro work?

I currently dont own a mirrorless camera. However, I do own a D850 and a D500, both with the grips. I tend to use my D850 for all my landscape, nature, night sky, macro and long exposure work. I use my D500 for all wildlife and sports or anything with action. I love my D500 for those because not only do i get a slightly faster frame rate, but I also get the extra reach of the crop sensor. I am looking at going mirrorless, but am unsure which way I want to go. I have a friend that uses a Z6 for his night sky and from the tests I have seen, the Z6/Z6ii is the best Nikon body for low light, even against the Z9 or any of the other Nikon DSLR flagships of the past. However, I don’t want to be buying multiple bodies for different things. I am looking at the Z9 as a temp replacement of my D850, only because I do not want to give up my D500 yet because of the extra reach with my 200-500 lens. I would hold on to that lens until the 200-600 releases, the sell that body and hope that Nikon has released a Z8 with a high megapixel that i can use as the true replacement for my D850 for all my fine detailed work and then use the Z9 as the true sports and action phenom that it is.

I’m a little late jumping to the Nikon party. I just purchased a mint Z7 with z lenses just over $2000. I think I will be happy.

great convo Matt..and others... ive just bought a d850,(keeping also my d500 and d4s)...heading to the States/Canada in 4 weeks (from Oz) to shoot wildlife, and may buy a z9 there(as there seems a small 2nds market already) or may wait see what the next iteration looks like? ...im a wildlife and festival shooter and just starting up my utube vid with my XT4..hmmmmmm. My only concern with Z9 is Dynamic range for vid and low light shooting.. cheers muchly ..PS: the first vid i saw of yours was the Blad H4 in streets of melbourne.. i went and bought an H2 with phaseone back after that..love it!

I was in Nikon until bad experience with a Z6 with almost no lenses available (all the road… from the D100 to the D5). Then I move to Leica SL. An incredible camera and construction. However, the Z9 technology is really awesome. If a Z8 will be a Z9 sensor and autofocus technology in a cheaper body, I think I’ll be back on to Nikon. Thanks for your video. Cheers from Chile.

I was just talking about this with my girlfriend, because she was thinking of upgrading her camera body. This is a video that I am definitely sending her!!! Thank you for a great video and creepy that three days after we talked about this topic, your video was posted…..we’re you eavesdropping? Hahaha

As an owner of z6ii and z7ii I was looking forward to the 1 40 firmware. After the update I noticed a small improvement of the autofocus. It was a little more stickier than previous versions. On my wishlist is a separate bird autofocus option. It would be possible with two cpu's. And have the birdAF separated from dogs and catsAF. In this way it should be easier for the camera to just look for birds. This is as I said on my wishlist but I don't think this option will come until the "All over the World wanted" z9 has been delivered to their customers. Then it should be time for firmware 2.0. I ordered (and payed) the z9 late october last year but it seems like deliveries from Nikon to Sweden is not in priority. Little funny though...I ordered an extra battery for the z9 and today it arrived to me. So I have a z9....battery, but not the z9 camera.

Hi Matt love what you do, I own a D500, D7500, 200-500, 70-200 F2.8 F mount, 16-80 DX Z50 with 2 kit lens, F to Zll adaptor. Bird photography.

@novicemoviemaker

2 жыл бұрын

@Text me on telegram 👉@MattIrwinPhotography Scam Alert. Watch out for these comments, everyone. The giveaway is a scam - confirmed by Matt himself.

Z9 will be my next camera in feu weeks I Love Nikon ecosystem 👍🌹

Well Matt, as required updates of my Nikon equipment transpires, I will slide into the Z plan. However, I will buy lens adapters as I won’t dispose of my existing DSLR range. I still shoot underwater on a D90 DX - beautiful little camera, which works well - comes down to the subject and light for a good shot. I noted recently that the Z9 is $9000 Aus - lot of money, but worth it for a pro… not sure about the investment at my amateur level.

Just bought a D850 for this past Christmas: still a fantastic camera. Saw picture comparisons with the Z9 at different ISO/conexts - to me the price difference is NOT justifiable. Sports, wildlife etc wise I still think the D850 is a perfectly suitable tool. Spending almost eur 6k on a Z9 does not make much sence as the competetive advantage is rather narrow balanced with the price difference.

I would love to have a Z9 but the cost of the camera with the change over to the new mount is not going to work for me. I also would love to have the D850 but to be honest, I really don't have a need for 45 mega pixels. I guess I will stick with my tried and true D4s. Nothing fancy for video and not high mega pixels but just enjoyment of handling a great camera with some really fine glass.

I wouldn't choose either a Z7 or Z7ll right now, id wait for a Z7lll with the new Expeed 7 processor.

Hey Matt, I will be getting a Z9.

I could never justify paying 5,500 dollars for a flagship with such a low end EVF of 3.69m MP (be it the Z7ii or even the Z9!!) when the competition is already using almost 10m MP EVF's (like Sony). This is the main reason I'm sticking with my trusty D850 (who's Dynamic range you just showed either beats or keeps up with the Z9) and its glorious OVF till Nikon gets its act together.

@MattIrwinPhotography

2 жыл бұрын

An EVF is far more than just pixels. Brightness is critical. Especially in bright situations. The Z9 outstrips all in this category. And the Sony EVF does not run at full res all the time.

@jal2550

2 жыл бұрын

@@MattIrwinPhotography Hi Matt, I totally get that! But still, at the end of the day, Nikon should give us both brightness, And a higher resolution EVF. They're not mutually exclusive. I hope they do that in their next iterations. Cheers!

I remember when Nikon 1st came out with the D1, D2, D3. Nikon always had the companion cameras like the D100 , D200 and D 300. I wish they had a companion camera to the Z9 at a reduced price.

I have a D850 and recently got a Z7 II. I like both those cameras and use them both. If I want to travel light, I go with the Z7 II. I do not shoot video and I don't need the Z9 grip, so I won't be getting a Z9. However, I'll wait to see what comes after the Z9 and may move to that in the future.

The F-Z adapter works fine with D (or even older) F mount lenses. Just have to manually focus. Wish the focus peaking was better on my Z6 though 🤔

I have been thinking about it for awhile. I originally bought a z6 than sold it. I am planning on selling my d750 d7200 d850 and hang onto the d500. I will pick up a z7II. I think this gives me the best use of my money and covers my needs.

I'm going for the Z9.. Cause I'm thinking in the long term.

Great Video and comparison of the cameras. Yes the Z9 is absolut impressive in its specs and plays in another league especially from the pricepoint. A few month ago I decided to change my camera. I have a number of f-mount lenses and had a D810. I'm interessted in the new Z-Models especially the Z7ii. But when I visit a camera shop and pick the Z7ii it feels not comfortable in my hands. I have big hands and I love the size and the weight of the D810. Also the work with an digital viewfinder is not that satisfactory. I do landscape- and product-/industrial- photography and for my work it is sufficient to use a DSLR. So i made a decision and bought a D850. and I'm happy with my choice. A great upgrade to my workhorse D810 and as the last big DSLR a ideal value.

Thanks again for another great video. You make some wonderful points about the Z7 II, but my dilemma is that I still have the D850 and most of original F mount lenses that go with it. I still use it quite often in my travels and since I don't shoot wildlife or sports I don't see any real needs to get the Z9. Now you would think that the Z7 II would be my default option, BUT my issue with the Z7 II is that the camera basically does the same thing I ask for from a D850. I am slowly transitioning to the Z mount lenses and have gotten myself the original Z6. I would be very curious to see what an eventual Z8 will be like. I two wishes for such a camera is that it has a resolution of around 60 MP and that it comes in a slightly larger camera body, maybe similar in size to the D500/D780. My issue with the current batches of the Z5, Z6 and Z7 is that when you attach any of the large Z mount lenses (i.e. the holy F/2.8 trinity, 100-400, etc) it doesn't balance well with the camera body. So for me I guess I might as well wait and be patient.

I love my d850

Great video, thank you. As a D7200 shooter who does a bit of everything with a focus on wildlife I was leaning toward the D850 just prior to the Z9 announcement, intending to get a A7S iii for video and starting to collect Sony glass. The banding on extremely pushed images completely excludes the Z7 (and previously the D7100) for me as I often do pretty wild edits. Now with the Z9 I don't need to split systems for video and stills. From what I can tell the D850 still has a very slight advantage in image quality over the Z9 but with the AF and many other improvements that minor IQ doesn't matter -- who cares about a minor IQ disadvantage when the overall hit rate is so much better on the Z9?

What a Video, thank you you help me understand what I need

@MattIrwinPhotography

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

The Z9 shows that a powerful enough processor takes us to the next industry S-curve (from mirrorless to mirror/shutterless bodies) for stills photography. Hardware limitations will influence what trickes down in future software updates for existing bodies and hardware choices what might appear in new models.

The Z7ii and Z6ii serves me well as wildlife photographer as the Z9 remains unavailable. Waiting from day 1 and still the waiting list in South Africa is reserved for the NPS users. So they can through 3.0 and 4.0 but if these is no stock it means nothing for users such as me that have used Nikon for 30 yrs. So waiting for the Z9 and 200-600, hope I get to use it in the next 2-3 yrs.. Or Sony A1 and 200-600 might be the next best option.

It's all good. Can't find a Z9 for a long time.

Thanks for the post. Looking forward to my Z9 arriving, already have the spare en el18D spare battery and the 24-120z should be here shortly. Is the Z9 a bit overkill for what I do, maybe, but the features are there for when I do need them. For me the 6/7 while very nice cameras are not for me. When tge 9 was announced and as I watched all the videos it addressed things I did not fully like on previous Z cameras, those that love them great 🙂. I plan to continue using my D850 anD F mount lenses along with the Z9, though the Z9 will get most of the use. Right now I use the D810 as my second camera, but thinking of trading it in when the Z9 arrives. Not seeing a reason to keep it, now about the only time it goes out is when I need to shoot with two bodies. 🙂I do take just it out for nature shots to let it know I remember it. Exciting times

Awesome vid, Matt! One of these days I'll probably get a Z8 whenever that comes to fruition. Predominately, I do portraits and I'm good with my Z6 for what I do and even my D750 for my screwdrive lenses (only have three of them).

@MattIrwinPhotography

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome Michaux, I am wondering if the Z8 will be high MP like 60MP or more and maybe the Z7 III will be 45MP but faster ... which would you go for if that was the case? Cheers Matt

@MichauxJHyatt

2 жыл бұрын

@@MattIrwinPhotography That's a really good question 🤔 The 45mp would more than likely be more than enough. Though I've never owned a higher MP than either the z6 or d750. That'll be a helluva video comparison for sure. Tho I have also considered getting a z7ii or iii as well. We shall see.

the z glass is so good and sharp

I like everything I've seen about the Z9, but it is not for me - price & size. (I'm not a pro.) I don't know that Z7 II lived up to or will live up to its potential. (Reasons - not important). For me I think what I am looking for is just around the corner - a Z7 III with the Xspeed 7 processor and all that that entail or the Z8. Either way, I'm going to have one of them. :-)

@MattIrwinPhotography

2 жыл бұрын

Hey John, hopefully the wait is not too much longer :) Cheers Matt