Remember when a 454ci only put out 230 horse power and was mated to a 4 speed. How did we ever manage? I’d rock that 6.4 in a heart beat.

@dudejo

2 жыл бұрын

that older 454 v8 still made comparable torque. the lower 230 HP rating just meant it would take longer to accelerate at full throttle (which is not how you should drive while towing, anyway). to be honest, I find that modern engines are pointlessly overpowered.

@jaycardona3492

Жыл бұрын

@@dudejo overpower, over geared, over rated and still suck lol

@andrewmontgomery1763

Жыл бұрын

@@jaycardona3492 Having more power is great, and what do you mean overgeared? And overrated? A current half ton truck would easily out perform a 454 HD truck from 30 years ago and almost every way.

@jaycardona3492

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewmontgomery1763 this Ram sucks compared to the competitors. It has more power, more gears in tranny and rear end, is built Ram tough and still performs worse than a comparable Chevy with lower specs. They posted the 2500 Chevy it finished a minute faster.

@nathanmcdonald610

9 ай бұрын

@@andrewmontgomery1763 They're just circle jerking old engines. I love classic trucks as much as the next guy, but the fact my 5.0L F-150 makes almost 400hp is incredible and about double the old 5.0L Windsor made 20+ years ago. I would love to have a classic 1970's era Ford with a modern 5.0L or 7.3L Godzilla all the style of yesterday with the power of today.

If I'm towing more than 10k up and down steep hills in the mountains on a regular basis I'm just buying a diesel and being done with it.

@walliehart5975

3 жыл бұрын

Ya , especially if you want a Ram. That 7.3 Ford looks good though, especially if your not towing every day. The GM has electric issues to soon

@techs1smh13

3 жыл бұрын

@@walliehart5975 what electrical issue are they having

@walliehart5975

3 жыл бұрын

@@techs1smh13 Just going of from the Chinese made wiring harness . They have high Iron content. Shorts are common after 02 and prolific after 08 . Maybe the new ones are better , idk ? I by old worn out junk , then I work it for another half decade and sell it for profit . But only a 100 bucks profit. I fix them with junk yard parts . Houses and land cost 50,000 + , not work trucks .

@jaylamb9546

3 жыл бұрын

I agree if I am towing like that on a regular basis I would buy a diesel regardless of brand.

@techs1smh13

3 жыл бұрын

@@walliehart5975 I live in so cal and repair all kinds of equipment. I now have 4 Chevy's in my family and a fleet of Chevy vans in my co. From 03 to 2015 . Duramax and gassers. Shit ton of miles . Never had a wire harness issue . Yes a alternator water pump batteries brakes normal repairs.

Great video and very enlightening. The 6.4 Hemi & new 8-speed transmission did not perform as well as I had expected. I think a lot of people would enjoy another run with the 4.10 gears. Thanks for this excellent "real-world testing" video.

@mystycim

2 жыл бұрын

4.10 would make a big difference

@derekblackwell3189

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, let’s see how the truck performs with 4.10s!

@CoyoteFTW

Жыл бұрын

Not going anything under 10 minutes. The Ford owns the heavy duty gas segment. By far

@BB-sc9gj

Жыл бұрын

4.10 is not significantly different

0:20 watch those hands buddy. Even while he was driving Roman's hands were waving. Someone been watching too much of Scotty's channel lol

@tbag-2224

3 жыл бұрын

** Andre

Mr truck looks like he’s lost some weight. Keep it up brother!

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I lost some but I think I found it again

@djaftermath4313

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrTruckTV It's happened to us all Mr. Truck, especially during these times.

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

@@djaftermath4313 Thanks, yes I need to do more walking. I killed a rattlesnake by the barn last night after it bit the kids dog. That gets me running around. Lost some weight last night. Rattlesnakes make me jump high.

@TheMinnow101

3 жыл бұрын

Appears the lost weight from Mr. Truck, was found by Andre....

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinnow101 Oh man Andre is an athlete compared to me

Looks like Kent has lost some weight! Good for him!

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, but I found it

@logdon17

3 жыл бұрын

yea, he looks much thinner, good job Mr. Truck

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

@@logdon17 Thanks, now I'm going to have to go to a CAT scales and find out.

@bearatts

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrTruckTV lol. Na, you're a gentleman and a scholar my good sir

@stevehuk902

3 жыл бұрын

Half of it is the beard haha

Always go with a 4.10 gear ratio when having to haul/ pull heavy loads . I have two Chevy's one with the 3.73 and the other with the 4.10 the 4.10 will walk off and leave the 3.73.

@k.c.wingert7179

9 ай бұрын

The 4.10's have not been available for quite some time now so there isn't much today's consumer can do with this information.

@dcoderjr

8 ай бұрын

​@@k.c.wingert7179I had to special order mine. They're rare but I get the feeling lots of people with diesel 2500s are towing over payload.

Finally a TFL signature video please do more of these

people say this would have done better with a different rear end but if that’s the case then maybe Ram should not have rated it for that much towing in this exact configuration.

@THETOPGLOCK

3 жыл бұрын

Yes exactly! There will always be excuses.

@TrueNewb

3 жыл бұрын

It pulled it just fine and out pulled the chevy...Not sure what your point even is. The 4.10 will just do it easier its a fact of life. That doesn't mean this truck wasn't capable of what they said.

@THETOPGLOCK

3 жыл бұрын

Dan You’re right it did pull the weight. But it struggled greatly. Also at that weight if it had to do it regularly the ram wouldn’t do it long. 4:10 gears without a doubt would help but it’s not a game changer. I’ve had both 3:73 and 4:10 gears in previous pickups. It’s not a day and night difference as people think.

@THETOPGLOCK

3 жыл бұрын

Dan The 6.4 is a great reliable powerful engine I just think it’s being held back at the transmission. The Ram may be a different animal with a trans tune.

@bigmrfnB

3 жыл бұрын

truenewb very true, I suppose I was being clouded by how many people said that same thing but yeah the Ike is no joke especially for an N/A engine and clearly something needs done on that transmission.

Been waiting for this tow test!!! Thanks for the upload André and Mr. Truck!!!

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome

Think I'll stick to my Cummins. No drama going down or up the steep grades.

@sersamgo8psamgo180

3 жыл бұрын

Well yah, a diesel is obviously going to be better for this task ... duh 😁

@neilmurphy845

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah diesel wouldn't even notice

@alex042687

3 жыл бұрын

No kidding. And you don't need a new Cummins either.

@techs1smh13

3 жыл бұрын

After owning 15 gas trucks RVs cars .if going to tow 8k or above buy diesel. Unless u like 8 mpg maybe and like to listen to 5000 rpm plus. For many hrs .

@sersamgo8psamgo180

3 жыл бұрын

@@techs1smh13 🤣🤣🤣

As one of the guys said below it would be great to see you guys do a video with a 1990s or 2000s model trucks till now and the differences between then and now!! I would love to see the data!! 💯👍

@jacobstrutner8232

2 жыл бұрын

Even an 04 Duramax like mine can't pull like these new trucks. It's amazing what new gas can do

I keep my Ram 1500 with 5.7 and 3.92s in manual shift mode the entire time when I'm pulling my 32' camper and it does really well up and downhill

@larrycurci5453

3 күн бұрын

That's my favorite combo in a 1/2 ton truck!

If you're going to tow something like that the 4.10 gears would be a must for me. I don't foresee myself towing that much so a 3.73 would probably be good for me personally. Great test!

@achebe171

Жыл бұрын

What if you tow maybe 10k max every 2 weeks for 1 hr and put 2500 on the bed every other week for no more than 1 hr?

@SteegeFish

Жыл бұрын

​@@achebe171 3.73 would be fine if your not heading up the ike gauntlet lol

Wow Ken lost some weight , good job

@hardone4608

3 жыл бұрын

Andre took it..lol

@Turbotalkin

3 жыл бұрын

Thats what I was thinking! Stay healthy buddy

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

Well thanks, I lost 29 lbs in the big move to the country but I'm gaining it back. I guess I'll have to lift a hundred boxes into my trailer again.

@ojbarberena7090

3 жыл бұрын

Me. Truck looks so much younger

The title says it all, and the Dodge was pulling almost 2,000 pounds less than the Ford and the Chevrolet. It certainly would have done better with a 4.10 but it had almost a ton weight advantage over the other 2 trucks. Just saying!

@goomgoom5504

3 жыл бұрын

wasn’t it the other way around? they towed 2,000 more with the Ram did they not? Maybe I got it wrong.

@not_me3286

3 жыл бұрын

@@goomgoom5504 That's what Jim said.

@Hundert1

3 жыл бұрын

@@goomgoom5504 DEFINITELY, we better find out because so far I really like my 2019 Ram 1500 5.7L 4x4. The air suspension seems like an awesome way to go. I'm due for a new one in 2021 and want to get the best. For me the Ram 2019 1500 looks the best both inside and outside. Will have to see how they all look in 2021 I guess. I know they're talking about the 2500 but I'm thinking the same will apply to the 1500s.

@griznbeer

3 жыл бұрын

Jim Robison The Ford n Chevy pulled more weight. The only thing Ram has going for them is Cummins. Ram will always be in 3rd place when it comes to trucks.

@Hundert1

3 жыл бұрын

@@griznbeer ok, but in which aspects is Ford and Chevy best because the 2019 Ram 1500 was voted best truck of the year. And as far as interior and exterior I personally prefer the Ram.

Love the classic Ike gauntlet intro music!!!!

Important information not mentioned. RAM trucks lists this particular truck, Ram 2500 6.4L 4x4 crew cab, as having a GCWR of 21,500 lbs. That means the total weight of the truck, trailer, occupants and cargo can not be more than 21,500 lbs. With a listed curb weight of 6785 and trailer of 14,300 your GCW is already 21,085. That leaves 415 lbs for people and stuff. That means... A) the two testers have maxed out the total allowable weight, probably exceeding it. B) you're not adding people, pets or cargo in the back seats. C) when maximum weights are involved, occupants and cargo are sacrificed. So do your research.

@JeffPetka

3 жыл бұрын

Don't 5th wheel trailers typically have 20% tongue weight? If so, that's 2860lbs of payload, not including people. It was overloaded, get a 1 ton.

This truck is on Craigslist now. Gently used, not even broke in, never above 40 mph... HOLY CRAP that Hemi is screaming. I'd have a flak jacket on in the front seat.

@kendallkane9889

3 жыл бұрын

Jim Watson, I just had my ol 98 Silverado half ton at 4500 rpm trying to keep the 8 thousand pound camper between 65 and 70 and that’s in the flat lands of Iowa lol. I’ve always wondered what’s a safe and not so safe rpms to be running on gas pickups while pulling.

@kimojon9665

3 жыл бұрын

If you watch the RAM test engineers they take Hemi's off the shelf regularly and run them for 7,000 RPM for over 22 hours without stopping with no issues. That engine loves to rev.

@squirrell500

3 жыл бұрын

@@kimojon9665 now if they would just retune the ecm in their trucks for us and let that 6.4 eat, these test results would be alot different.

@krogunlimitedfahrenkrog6110

3 жыл бұрын

@@kimojon9665 the problem on the Hemi isn't rpm, it's poor oiling at idle. I have towed a good bit with my 6.4, never been dissapointed. I'm 4.10 axle though not 3.73

I swear you guys have the best job on earth. Drive cool new cars & truck through the most beautiful parts of the country? Pretty sweet!! 😍👌

I really appreciate your loaded tests. Brochure specs can always be impressive, but the real test is in the mountains. This is the time when ALL the components under the hood must work together to deliver the results. I urge to push this test even harder, HARDER! . . . Maybe do the gauntlet twice? Back-to-Back to test the endurance! (some people will hate you for doing this because you might overheat something or break something, and this could be embarassing.) You are the ONLY tester in the WORLD, and I mean you are the only authority, who is in the position to wring out the "No Question" Best of the Best.

Really like these Ike tests! I’m a Mopar guy, love my Rams! Air suspension rules, but you needed the 4.10 for this heavy load. High anticipation for the 2021 redesign - larger updated interior, improved tech, and did you say a 7.0 gas hemi??? Where’s my checkbook!!!

As always, great test and video gentlemen. Especially for those of us living in the Mountain West. These tests provide a more realistic towing capacity for trucks in my area.

Glad to see you guys finally got your hands on the new Ram HD. Others have noted already but is the Gen-y hitch installed correctly? It looked upside down compared to the other ones they have. Edit: I didnt see that it was the low profile one they have so it's supposed to be turned that way.

Thank you TFL for producing these great videos! Truck lovers and most trailer owners love to watch your analysis of all brands of pickups! I agree with the hordes of Mr Trucks fans that he is becoming a “stud” with that reduction in weight! Based on some of these comments that are “bashing” this truck’s ability to maintain speed up the I-70 gauntlet from Dillon to the Tunnel, I would like to add another perspective on why these tests do not reflect how most of us drive, but the tests stay true to max out the truck towing at max weights both up and down the mountain. My experience is probably more indicative of how folks towing with gas engines handle long climbs and descents. I have towed a 26 ft Airstream over the mountains out West based on my known truck’s abilities. Two years ago, my ‘09 F150 with 4.6L required a 35MPH - 45MPH up most of the mountain passes. Drawback on the transmission was I could only access 1 - 3 gears. 4-6 were lumped under “D”. Last month our ‘19 F250 gas, 4x2 went over Monarch Pass at 11,300 feet and we loved the manual option on the transmission. We stayed in a gear that would keep the RPM’s under 4,000 and did not care about our speed going up or down the mountain (downhill rarely used the brakes). Speeds were similar to the F150, but the new HD truck felt more comfortable. Truck lanes were used periodically. Three questions: 1. what percentage of time are you towing in those extreme mountain climbs and descents? If you spend a lot of time towing and in the mountains, then a diesel is a great investment in making the towing experience much easier. I spend less than 1% of my towing miles in the mountains, and am perfectly fine with slowing down and enjoying the scenery. 2. For TFL - I believe the RAM’s information screen provided temperatures for oil, coolant and transmission fluids on one screen? My F250 only provides transmission temperature? It seems obvious that in Heavy Duty pickup that may see a lot of heavy towing, that ALL OEM’s should provide these three temperatures for operating fluids? Have you asked the other OEM’s why they cannot provide sensors in these fluid for us to monitor during rigorous use of our trucks? 3. For TFL - when will you test the Tundra Extra cab at it’s max tow weight? Reason I ask is that on Airstream Forums, folks new to Airstream regularly ask which tow vehicle is best for a given length Airstream I am planning to purchase. Many responders jump into the discussion by informing all of us that they tow up to 30 foot Airstreams all over the country including the Mountains out West. They tout the million mile tundra’s that are reliable, durable and obviously cost effective! However, they rarely discuss the truck’s ability to tow the max weight and maintain manufacturer’s specs for payload (most Tundra’s have 1400 lbs or less payload), Gross combined vehicle weight, rear axles, etc. When I emailed TFL, about testing Tundras you mentioned that they had not changed since your last test many years ago. Plus, TFL could address the safety issues for any tow vehicle, when towing over payload, and the other specs and the impact of Tundra’s brakes on safe travel? Questionable OEM claims on half ton pickups - During last month’s 5,000 mile towing journey, I met a fellow traveler at KOA in Albuquerque, who was new to towing, who provided his rationale for purchasing his half ton pickup. This is what he said; “the salesman said it would tow over 12,000 pounds”! He had a 22 foot Coleman since his wife was willing to finally go camping. As so often happens, he informed me that after spending two weeks with a Murphy bed, his wife wanted a longer trailer with a permanent bed! What a challenge for a half ton pickup to continually support this desire for more living space in a longer trailer!

So the Ram beat the Chevy because it did the uphill run 30 seconds faster, with a 1700 lb lighter load and even with the lighter load, took 4 more break applications than the Chevy. Yeah, that makes total sense.

@davidkendall6801

3 жыл бұрын

Sort of glossed over bad performance.

@silentmajority2347

3 жыл бұрын

Ummm. I’ve done the math like five different ways but I don’t own a Chevy calculator... it beat it by 1:24.......... Obviously the engineers need to work out the shifting pattern for down hill but it’s the first year and there’s always quirks to work out. That’s the point of these tests. Not knocking your opinion, just your math.

FINALLY!! Thanks for making this video happen!

So glad to see the Hemi 6.4 on the Ike Gauntlet test! It did about as good as I thought it would as I have pretty much the same truck. I have found that you need to run Premium fuel in the Hemi at high altitudes (8,000+) and the engine braking is definitely lacking at those speeds. I use the manual gear limiting all the time, that's what it's for! Anyway, good job TFL!

@joev8275

Жыл бұрын

How do you use the gear limiting feature? Is it to make sure to keep RPMs low for more pulling power?

@mrblueskynm3968

Жыл бұрын

@@joev8275 It is not about more pulling power, that is best described by using the Tow/Haul mode. In Tow/Haul mode, you get more RPMs per gear which gives more power longer, but fuel economy is slightly reduced. The gear limiting feature lets you use the transmission to set a maximum gear/speed while driving/towing downhill, or for increased fuel economy while towing on relatively flat roads (unnecessary automatic passing gear on slight inclines). It's similar to switching to manual on other trucks. While in Drive, the transmission is an automatic 8 speed. The gear limiting feature is located on the steering wheel. It is a set of up and down (+/-) buttons. While driving, or towing a load press the down button and a small display on the dash will show the maximum gear the truck is limited to. Pressing the down button repeatedly lowers to each subsequent maximum gear. If you are driving at 55 mph you can limit your gears to about 5th gear, which will limit your speed to the max of that gear using the engine and transmission, thus prohibiting the truck from shifting into the higher speed gears, which will cause the truck to gain speed while driving/coasting downhill. It is very handy on mountain passes and hills. It reduces the need for excessive braking. On long, steep, slower curved roads it works great to keep it at lower speeds such as 30 mph (2nd gear). When you no longer need limited gearing, you just press the up (+) button to get back to 8 gears and full automatic shifting. It's not as efficient as a diesel, but it works just fine for me.

@joev8275

Жыл бұрын

@@mrblueskynm3968 thank you for the very detailed explanation

These are great. I would love to see these guy take a 90s or 2000 gas hd up with its max weight and get a comparison from then to now.

@ThaMetalMan

3 жыл бұрын

Agree

@markdoyle5542

3 жыл бұрын

YES!!!!

@toughbowtietruck

3 жыл бұрын

454s and 460s will need a gas station on the way up lol

@torryminers2177

3 жыл бұрын

2000 chevy 5.7 vortec

@rollingacresfarmstead206

3 жыл бұрын

then compare the price the difference would buy alot of fuel

Agreed on the comments about varying trailer. Although the weight of this one is lower, it is 102" (or damn close to it) wide. The other horse trailer was the standard horse trailer width, in the 70-80" range. I have seen from personal experience this makes a decent difference in wind resistance, which impacts pulling and fuel mileage.

@corystansbury

2 жыл бұрын

Having built a physics model for drawbar pull, speed, and horsepower requirement, you're dead on. Aero drag is a massive component, even on a steep grade.

Great video, I enjoyed it.

Wow Awesome keep on the good work guys!

Uphill towing seems like that transmission was hunting around some. I think Ram might want to consider a recalibration, or maybe that truck just needed to be driven more for "learning".

I think your downhill procedure is very fair and shows up weaknesses in the trucks programming. That being said I’d really like to know what a truck is truly capable of. For example if shifting manually means 2 or 3 brake applications vs 14 that would be great information to have.

@stephenserna8258

Жыл бұрын

Just bring back the MANUAL STANDARD TRANSMISSION ALREADY!!!!!!!

I see negative comments on here about everything. First, I’m not brand loyal! These guys are trying to push the limits, ‘put the hammer down they say’! Come on, yes we all what to get to the top faster or what ever. But think about it, manufacturers rate the truck for safe, dependable, towing. All trucks are rated for what they can tow without overheating, without breaking, making it to your destination with no problems and for long life. Now a personal point, I will buy any truck, but for me as of now I’d buy the Ram. I don’t need to ‘hold’ a certain speed, I can do 35 mph vs 40, I don’t need to get to the top faster, yes this truck maybe struggled a little, but it made it to the top without overheating etc. And at the end of the video, if your using this truck in the mountains like they pushed it, you should get the 4:10 rear end vs the 3:73, just like they said. Also, it don’t matter WHAT truck you buy, if you tow at maximum tow rating your nuts for trying pushing a vehicle this hard all the time. Now, I can hardly wait for all the Ford, Chevy, and Ram guys coming back here and saying, ‘l do it all the time with my _________’ (name your vehicle)

Love yalls content! Keep trucking boys.

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Mr. Truck sounds like Tommy Lee Jones.

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think we are both wore out.

@jimparker7778

3 жыл бұрын

And there's something wrong with that???

As someone who owns this truck with the exact same setup I can say the transmission needs tuned differently. I have just completed around 2000 miles of towing a 10,000 lb travel trailer going up and down even steeper grades albeit not as long and many times the transmission was slow to react. I never felt like I didn't have enough power and really feel the 4:10 would make a massive difference. Yukon just released the 4:30 gears and that is what I will be getting next month for my truck

@Clutch_Kick187

3 жыл бұрын

And whos gonna tune your transmission for the 4:30's..?? You will need a tune unless you want to manually shift it yourself forever..

Looking fit and happy Mr. Kent, keep it up👍🏻 Always enjoy the content guys, especially the work trucks!

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

I'm a ram guy, I thought it performed decent except downhill untill I found out it had 2k less on the trailer then the other brands.... wtf ram who sends a 373 gear truck to a ike??? And ram it's time to work on that down hill engine breaking

@justinkrehlik7383

3 жыл бұрын

Right a 3:73, my power wagon has a 4:10 and pulls everything like a literal dream, my snowmobile trailer is about 27 feet long and had several thousand pounds in it and handled everything like a dream

@BenLeBlanc1

3 жыл бұрын

Ram didn’t send it I think- TFL bought it?

@joesainato8051

3 жыл бұрын

Justin Krehlik's Adventures a 27 foot snowmobile trailer with 5 sleds and gear is maybe 7500 pounds. I hope that any full size pulls that like a dream. My F150 pulls a 29 with 5 sleds well.

@40calDeathPunch

3 жыл бұрын

RAM wants you to spend money on the diesel.

@MrComputerCoder

3 жыл бұрын

Its less the engine more of the transmission tuning. It would not downshift ever. That's just bad tuning. When they did it manually or tricked the computer into downshifting, it gained speed. It would have done way better.

Anyone else notice that the GEN-Y hitch seemed to be fully compressed everytime they showed it. How is it gonna work to soften the bumps (trailer to vehicle) if it is always fully compressed? Even when they were showing it not hooked up, it looked fully compressed.

The Ford's 4.3 rear end supports Ken's suggestion that the Ram with a 4.1 rear end would be a better match for the hemi with this type of usage and load.

@JD-qx6qw

3 жыл бұрын

Why rj?

@hellkitty1014

3 жыл бұрын

@@JD-qx6qw Ford's being a silly and punishing TFL for having "insider info" on their products.

@lrr5586

3 жыл бұрын

Ram signed off that the truck can pull that weight with that ratio. You saying they are incorrect and should lower the weight for that ratio?

@rts3613

3 жыл бұрын

@@lrr5586 Yep, the Ford and Chevy were pulling 2000 pounds more as well.

@phprofYT

3 жыл бұрын

agreed.

Great review guys. Happy to finally see this test on the 2020 6.4.

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

As always, Ike Gauntlet w Mr Truck and Andre are spot on. I’m thinking about a heavy duty and gas engine. I don’t need tow capacity of a diesel. RAM especially in these specs looks awesome. Price wise is right. I’m not racing up the gauntlet either. I guess my 2 looks is this RAM and the Ford. I think the RAM wins since I’ll be mostly taking view from the drivers seat. Gentlemen, real deal and real world tests. Thanks for your input, it really does help when your debating brand and a TON of change to put down! TFL and Mr. Truck, your tests and opinions are much appreciated

You are getting more sophisticated with your videos. You are not just presenting linearly: you are breaking things up, presenting pertinent information when it is necessary, varying the "pace" of the information. Very nice.

@TheSingleTrucker

3 жыл бұрын

Was the highlight of the reel, for sure!

Thank you Mr. Truck for joining TFL once again.

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

you're welcome, it's fun

You guys are the best!

Woohoo! Been waiting for an Ike Gauntlet video! And another video with Mr Truck!

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

appreciate it

From what i can remember the Ford and the Gm were pulling 17000 lbs compare to 14300 in this run you can’t compare directly.

@truckguyjoe

3 жыл бұрын

Correct. Chevy pulled 16,000. 2,300 more than this Hemi did.

@dillonhorn7379

3 жыл бұрын

truckguyjoe Thats 1700lb difference, not 2300lb...

@toofastnobrakes

3 жыл бұрын

Math123 ram sent them a hemi with the 3.73 which isn’t the max tow package. Needed to send the 4.10, it’s rated for 16’900

@hellkitty1014

3 жыл бұрын

They didn't send them the max tow truck, which is nearly 17000 pounds with 4.10s.

@truckguyjoe

3 жыл бұрын

Dillon Horn Based off of the gross combination of the truck and trailer the Chevy moved more weight considering both were maxed out… Chevy has a gross combination of 24,000 the ram only has a rating of 21,500. That’s more like a difference of 2500!

for what the truck is, i think it handled itself well. it was the smallest engine of the big 3, 6.4 vs 6.6 and 7.3. came in second time wise, but it was only pulling 14,300 compared to the others 16,000. i think the thing thats needed most is the engine/transmission holding its speed, 14 break applications came in last vs the others but once thats corrected i think it can only get better.

@kevinmarchini5272

Жыл бұрын

The Ford was extremely impressive that was 16,000 pounds and they were backing out of the throttle to stay speed limit the Ram and GM were floored the entire time shifting up and down not able to gain speed the times weren't even close to the Ford rear gear wouldn't of mattered the other 2 could of ran a 488 gear and still get smoked

Thanks for showing the temps!

I always wondered about the 6.4. I'm really glad I bought the Cummins. The Cummins has about double the torque compared to the Hemi. The Cummins pulls like a dream. I pull a 9600 lbs 5th wheel. It never drops below 60 mph and stays in 5th gear @ 2000 rpm more or less on steep grades. Going downhill I never need brakes unless it's you cum up on sharp curves. It sometimes shifts to third gear on curvy hill and goes up to 2800 rpm and really slows down with compression brake on. Thanks for the video as it demonstrates the superiority of the diesel when towing.

Glad I went with the Ford 7.3L after seeing this review. Coming from a ram, I'm all to familiar with having to put the transmission in manual mode to make it shift properly while towing. I was hoping the new 8 speed would have resolved this, guess not. Ford is the one to beat now.

@sersamgo8psamgo180

3 жыл бұрын

@HalfShell no, not if the transmission is properly programmed.

@gasolinediesel972

3 жыл бұрын

There is nothing wrong with the truck. It isn't set up for max tow. It needs the 4:10 ratio. 4:10 is rated for 16900lbs.

@daviddouglass7662

2 жыл бұрын

@@gasolinediesel972 Have a Ram with 6.4l Hemi and 4:10 rear. Just did Ike Gauntlet pulling 12,000 lb. Needed 1st gear and 5,000 rpm most of the way.

@mikebradford7780

2 жыл бұрын

@@daviddouglass7662 Wow.

@4wdiesels

2 жыл бұрын

@@daviddouglass7662 so how come tfl towed 14k plus and didn't need 1st? If you were in 1st like you say and have 4.10s, you would have been moving like 10 to 15 mph.

so i have a 2019 power wagon, essentially the same drive line as this truck, and there is surprisingly little engine braking available. you have to manually lock out higher gears to get any level of engine braking at all with trailers. ram or zf really needs to address this in the programming of the vehicle.

@blakegriffis3462

3 жыл бұрын

2019 bighorn here, I completely agree. I really like the ZF but the tow haul calibration should be the "normal" calibration and the "tow haul" should be much more aggressive.

@youngblood23rb

3 жыл бұрын

@@blakegriffis3462 I have a 2017 8speed and the engine/trans braking is spectacular with or without a trailer it recognizes the slightest grade change and holds gears or down shifts beautifully, i think they neutered the newer trucks to operate more smoothly

@blakegriffis3462

3 жыл бұрын

@@youngblood23rb potentially so. Granted I still love my truck, but I've noticed the grade shifting isn't as aggressive as my old f150 in tow/haul. A simple tune/recalibration would fix this.

@JustinKingOffroad

3 жыл бұрын

All I will say is my F-150 had way better engine braking than this

Great review on a great truck and fantastic trailer 🍻

Honestly I think a recalibration of the tow/haul programming to be more aggressive would make a world of difference. I seems like the transmission up shifted several times dropping the rpms to 3kish and struggling, when it was accelerating at 4kish.

@calebniederhofer6529

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think so. It is extremely high elevation, up hill, and half the torque of a diesel, and a N/A V8. Diesels have the torque curve as well.

Yes, another run with the 4.10 gears would help it out. I say you guys do another standard run up and down. After that, I say do another run but manually shifting the transmission. Do it for all the makes. Because honestly, most drivers want control of their rigs in tense situations like this. I think its clear the transmission tune is not aggressive.

@jamestaylor-qb9wo

3 жыл бұрын

Yea towing isn't how much power you have its how it uses it and I agree, the factory tunes for the trans is probably trash

@sergeantmasson3669

2 жыл бұрын

cebayne, This 2020 RAM 2500 4x4 truck came standard with 4:10 gears from the factory

@cebayne

2 жыл бұрын

@@sergeantmasson3669 Wrong, 3.73 gears are standard, 4.10 gears are optional upgrade.

@sergeantmasson3669

2 жыл бұрын

@@cebayne 4wd, 4:10 gears is standard. 2wd, 3:73 gears is standard. This is from Ram Truck website: 6.4L V8 MID DUTY HEMI MDS ENGINE 8-SPD AUTO 8HP75-LCV TRANSMISSION SRW 4.10 XBS 9900 2870.0 7034.67 4040.81 2993.86 5500.0 6390.0 24000 24000 16490.

@cebayne

2 жыл бұрын

@@sergeantmasson3669 So why are 4.10 gears a $145 upgrade in the builder for a 4x4 bud? Because they are better for heavy towing.

When is the 4.10 rear end video coming out? Very interested to see it performs towing 16k! 😎

I’m buying me a 2018 LongHorn 3/4 ton Ram with the 6.4 HEMI. For me, it more than fits what I want, it can pull what I need, and can cruise nicely. I’m looking forward to this Ram

I hope the new 8 speed is an huge improvement in reliability over the POS 66RFE that's in my '15 Ram 2500. Mine needed the valve body replaced at 32,000 miles and had the transmission pan replaced a few weeks ago because it rusted through at 65,500 miles. Now it's making a bunch of different noises as I drive. I have the lifetime powertrain warranty....I hope it blows completely up so I can get complete new trans. I do have the 6.4L with 4:10 gears, it tows and plows great, never a lack in performance. The reliability is a different story.

I know you guys are running competitions but it would be nice to see what the trucks can do when you use everything the truck has to offer. Like gear limiters going down hill and controlling the gas pedal to get the most out of the uphill climb. Maybe you could do two test. One where the truck computer does the work and the other where the driver actually controls the truck to the best of their skill.

Only reason i bought a 19 ram was because of the cummins aisin and MAGAcab setup. Previously lemon lawed my 17 ram with aisin trans. If i was buying a gas truck it would be the ford.

NEW SUBSCRIBER! nice review, i have got to start looking for a truck soon

Would love to see the 4.10 truck run. I had one (6.4L/4.10) and it was rated for 3000# more max towing than a 3.73 truck.

@TheFarmersLife

3 жыл бұрын

Wish they’d put those gears in the Cummins too but 3.73 is it.

@sHoRtBuSseR

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheFarmersLife the dually can get 4.10 I think.

@TheFarmersLife

3 жыл бұрын

@@sHoRtBuSseR that's probably correct

I think I saw Forrest Gump run past you on the way up....

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

No that was the Colorado State Patrol on a bicycle, just kidding. Yes I wish we could have received a 4.10 axle.

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

@Babylon falling Good to hear. I was a big fan of the 7.3L diesels

With so many brake applications, did you reach out to Ram about the number of brake applications and and maybe getting a reprogram on that transmission? At the same time, I would be manually shifting anyway which I think most people do anyway🤷‍♂️ That trailer is simply awesome👌

Have not heard Center High Mount Stop Light in a long time. Luv ya tfl

Miss you two !

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

Good to be missed

Always been a Chevy guy until recently I traded in my Silverado for a ram 2500 mega cab with the 6.4 hemi and I don’t know why I didn’t make the switch much sooner. Love it! Way better truck. It makes my Silverado look like a baby truck lol

I had the 6.4L Hemi. It loves to run in the 4000-5200 rpm range for towing. I loved it with the 6 speed. I could tow anything I ever wanted to

@FALLEN9336

3 жыл бұрын

Been looking at a 2014 ram 3500 with the 6.4 for towing a 10k fifth wheel. Would you recommend it for that?

@Chestnut0923

3 жыл бұрын

@@FALLEN9336 my dad has one he uses for work towing a 10k dump trailer loaded 90% of the time. And it pulls without issue

@jacobstrutner8232

2 жыл бұрын

And according to ram they designed it to run below 3500rpm to tow. They say it's a heavy duty tow engine....

@Chestnut0923

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobstrutner8232 it will not run at that low rpm. Towing it wants to scream. But will tow anything you want

I would really like to see you use all your driving knowledge on a 3/4 or 1 ton gas trucks on the ike gauntlet run. I can appreciate wanting to even out the playing field by letting the truck do it's thing but I think manually downshifting would allow us to see real world uphill and downhill capabilities of these gas engine trucks. They will not come close to the diesel engine option when getting close to their towing and payload limits but most owners try to abide by the safer loads of not more than 80% of towing and payload limits. Thanks

I love Kent and Andre, good rapport and some good chuckles along the way. Grandpa slang and a Russian accent for the win!!!

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yes they are starting to bleep my cussin.

Use cruise control! That tells the truck the speed you want to maintain and it will downshift automatically to help maintain that speed, especially with tow/haul mode. If you are doing everything manually, then any bad results are the fault of the driver, not the truck. Also, not a good display of your hitch. The way its mounted provides NO suspension. It didn't flex at all. Bad hitch, or it was mounted upside down. Torsion suspension should be at max extension unweighted and then flex a bit when under weight, for the shock absorbtion. Review your connection video.

@boss123400

3 жыл бұрын

Shouldn't letting off the gas tell the truck that you don't want to go any faster? I think they forgot to code that into this trucks computer because other trucks will start engine braking on an incline as soon as throttle is reduced.

@goochtree

3 жыл бұрын

@@boss123400 Dodges need to be tricked into performing it's duties.

@donavonrobbins1908

3 жыл бұрын

Holding it to the floor should've told it how fast he wanted to go as well, shouldn't it?

Needs the 4.10 gears plain and simple. Huge difference in performance

@lrr5586

3 жыл бұрын

Ram signed off that the truck can pull that weight with that ratio. You saying they are incorrect and should lower the weight for that ratio?

@slimtny

3 жыл бұрын

LR R they signed off that it can tow with that ratio. They didn’t say how efficient or effective it would be versus the 4.10. The 4.10 would be a better combo vs the 3.73 in the mountains.

@drewelliott9062

3 жыл бұрын

They towed 2k pounds less than the Ford and Chevy

@slimtny

3 жыл бұрын

HalfShell yup. I put 4.56 gears in mine for here in the mountains and with the 6 speed it’s been perfect.

@BigTony1710

3 жыл бұрын

LR R I never said it couldn’t pull it. Just stating 4.10s would’ve pulled the load a little bit faster and easier up the ike and probably good for a few less brake applications on the way down over the 3.73 gears. Can’t wait for them to test the powerwagon 8 speed up the Ike and compare it to the old 6 speed pw

4.10s apparently is a must for heavy towing with this engine transmission combo. I would also manually lock out the higher gears on the climb. It accelerated on the grade every time it downshifted so they should have locked in whatever gear that was. I understand that this was a test though.

really enjoy these videos. Andre and Mr Truck fail to mention the adaptive feature on this trans. It is a new truck, probably less than 5k miles on the clock

Would love to see runs down the mountain with cruise set at 60 and see what the trucks do to attempt to maintain speed. With all the programming for fuel efficiency I think they want the trucks to coast as much as possible unless you tell the truck what you’re trying to do (cruise control) or manual shifting

We have 3 of the new 6.4 hemi. We don’t tow with them but we absolutely love them !!! Great truck !!!

@shaneleer2358

3 жыл бұрын

Flint Creek Transport how are they on fuel

@flintcreektransport

3 жыл бұрын

I had the one sales guy check it soon after I got them and he was gettin 16.5 mpg .... the most important thing to me was getting trucks that I didn’t have continuous issues with. These trucks have been fantastic .....coming from gm

@JohnDoe-nz6bk

3 жыл бұрын

Flint Creek Transport my current 20 sierra with the 3.0 duramax is complete garbage.

@flintcreektransport

3 жыл бұрын

I was really tempted to get a eco diesel ram but with all this emissions crap it’s not worth it.

@shaneleer2358

3 жыл бұрын

Yes have a guy I work with buy a eco diesel , lots of problems. I love my rams as well drove cumins for years just tried of the diesel smell lol thanks

It’s good to see Mr. Truck in a video again, it’s been a while!

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

LOVE that trailer!!!! I'm building the same concept!!!🤘

I have a 6.4 Hemi in my Powerwagon. Mine pulls great. Weighed in and pulled a 12k lbs tag along trailer to P.A on the turnpike. That road has some pretty serious grades. I think mine does well because of the 6 speed and 4:10 gears. With an 8 speed I feel like you dont have enough power with a gas motor to hold a gear. With the gear spacing on the 6 speed it's a lot easier. Now I do have air bags on my truck witch helps but as a previous comment said if I was pulling on a regular basis I would own a diesel. Until someone turbocharges one of these gas engines and makes them more efficient they will never compete with a turbo diesel.

@chronicles661

2 жыл бұрын

Question for you about your power wagon how were you able to tow 12k because I have the same truck and I was told I can only tow 8,000 lbs this is the reason why I want to trade it in for a 3500 for more towing ability

@Jordan91alexander

2 жыл бұрын

@@chronicles661 Do you have air bags? Also what kind of trailer are you towing. A good trailer properly loaded will pull better than a lighter badly loaded trailer. Also with a gasser you really have to be good at timing hills and when to make the truck downshift sense it does not have the torque as a diesel. If you keep your foot steady on the accelerator you will loose speed and it could become a pain. Also never use cruise towing expecially with a gasser. Just takes more finesse.

@chronicles661

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jordan91alexander towing a 2021 keystone bullet travel trailer it’s about 7,500 lbs I want to upgrade to a 5th wheel travel trailer in the next couple of years I don’t think my power wagon will be able to pull it also the payload on my power wagon is only 1,400 lbs no air bags

Seems like the engine is plenty powerful, just waiting for the transmission to downshift.

Beautiful sight seeing Mr. Tow & Mr. Truck back together again on the Ike!

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

My 2016 1500 has the same problem of not down shifting if left in auto. Manually down shifting drastically helps in the mountains.

Proof positive that you want a cummins for towing!!!

@MisterMikeTexas

3 жыл бұрын

Yep!

Would love to see the same test with a 4.10 rear.

As always, the standard setter for truck reviews.

I pulled 9100 lbs over rockies with 6.4 Ram, 9.7 mpg. No issues towing or braking. Socal to Denver and back. Only wish it had 10 speed transmission

Great test as always, and love your stuff, but as several people have pointed out before each truck uses different tech and should be used accordingly. Without applying the cruise control on a Ram while in tow mode it does not actually slow the truck down while going down hill. If you set the cruise control it will automatically downshift and apply breaking as necessary. If you don't want to use the cruise, you * have * to use the manual settings to control it, otherwise the truck assumes you are not trying to control the speed in any way. That is how the truck is setup to work, but if they are used it works very well. =)

I like how they did the ford in wintertime and the dodge in summertime

Get ahold of the 2022 2500 with the 4.10 rear end with the air ride and THEN see what it does and rates. Can't wait. Nice job guys.

Great review. Definitely want to see a repeat if you get Ram to send a 4.10!

It’s pretty obvious the best thing about the Ram is the Air Ride. 2000 pounds more tow capacity for Chevy and Ford. Kudos for some of the technology but pulling is what this is about. no question Gold Hitch goes to the Ford. Can you imagine if they were to put in air bags for all the big trucks. Ram, back to the drawing board.

@kenwelsh4189

3 жыл бұрын

Then don’t buy a sunroof on your ford if that’s your only concern. Ram is coming up in the world but still has a ways to go. Willing to bet there not going to make much change beyond where they are today. Love my Ford, and yes they need to up the interiors in their trucks a bit. I think the new preview of the bronco shows where they are headed.

I wonder if setting the cruise control would help. It does with downshifting in other vehicles.

@gwcars13

3 жыл бұрын

grandpa5x Pulliam yeah, I just think they should test it with and without cruise control engaged. As most people are going to actually use it when on a drive similar to the towing test they do.

@donavonrobbins1908

3 жыл бұрын

Thought they were using manual cruise control. Pedal all the way to the floor.

Reminds me of the 2014 RAM 2500 with the 6.4 that TFL tested and it really crawled up the Ike. This new transmission did better but it still seemed way out of breath and the downshifts spiked the rpm way up and would quickly lose steam. Seems like FCA needs to re-tune this engine for more low end torque and less high rpm horsepower numbers.

I had 2015 with the 6.4 and 4.10. it has no problem pulling a torque toy hauler fully loaded with 2 bikes and water. It weighed around 14k. On hills it struggled a little.

That oil temp had me concerned. If I recall, this engine had a water to oil oil cooler, the temperature delta should not be that huge.

Is that Gen-Y hitch upside down? It looks like it's bottomed out.....

@daviddowling9830

3 жыл бұрын

74Beeper oh crap,thanks for the warning.

@earl60446

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, looked like it even when not hooked up.

@antonfloor344

3 жыл бұрын

That’s what I thought to, it looks wrong

@cjzx325

3 жыл бұрын

I'd be interested too. All the other ones I see them hook up are the other way around.

@MrTruckTV

3 жыл бұрын

That's the new "Low-Profile Pegasus" It's labeled Spartan, because it was the first one and got the wrong decal. Geny goes 4 more inches into the trailer stem for tall trucks. The movement of the Torsion Hitch is up. So it shouldn't got down any farther.

Love the OWL Firestones. I'd really like some on my 1500.