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"So what do you two talk about?" is genius

Players: "Hey, let's long rest outside the boss' lair." The boss: *calls in reinforcemets*

@Ciofey

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's like three mages with spell attacks against one awake PC = only awake PC taken out. Then surprise attack critical hits to every PC. PCs wake up, and stand up, and draw their weapons Bam, second round of attacks. Everyone is hurting or is down. "Give up or we kill ". If they don't give up, hit downed PC for two failed death saves, and watch them squirm.

Easy explanation for "long rest" not being effective in a dungeon: Because you are not resting comfortably as the tension of being in enemy territory.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

O for sure! I’ve had people use this Homebrew exclusively inside dungeons or hostile territory only and love it that way too. 👍🏼

Personally how I would run this Short Rest variant of yours is like this: Short rests take 1 hour as you have to scrounge or forage for things to patch up your party (herbs to disinfect wounds, cloth to make bandages, etc). However, if a player expends a use of a Healer's Kit during the rest, the short rest only takes 10 minutes. I've always enjoyed the Healer's Kit Dependency variant in the DMG and I feel that adding it into your rule makes it more appealing to players (at the very least for my table)

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Magister Ogamesh ooooooooo that’s great!!! A material component would provide a preparation feel for them! AND over time they would run out of that material and not be able to take these “quicker long rests” Maybe there are 4 rest types... short and long rests WITH OR WITHOUT materials?? Hmm

@Piqipeg

3 жыл бұрын

I'll borrow this! It's an awesome idea!

@jpschwieterman9226

3 жыл бұрын

I played DnD 1st Ed and 2Ed. This is when men were men... What's with this video "game cheat code" where I goto sleep and 8 hours later I have full health...?? This is super gay. "Hi, IM a millennial/zoomer. My life and my actions have now have no real repercussions even in fantasy land...! I only need to sleep for 8 hours and... ta da!!" DnD has been flipped to perpetual "story time" mode...

@hawkname1234

3 жыл бұрын

@@jpschwieterman9226 I thought you were doing a parody of a grognard a-hole. But you weren't.

@jpschwieterman9226

3 жыл бұрын

@@hawkname1234 Ladies and gentlemen... John perffers "story time" mode cause he's too stupid to survive without a rest stops. Are you, dare I say, an underachiever too...? Most likely, yes.

I like the idea of long rests promoting character conversation. And I love that you're drawing from your experience as a coach, because that is super relevant information. I use a simple fix in my game: you can only take a long rest in a town other place of safety. This wears them down during travel, and incentivizes them to solve hostile random encounters without combat.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Intelligence 14 Wisdom 2 OOOOO I love it!! That’s a BRUTAL rule but I can totally see that leading to them getting creative! YES!!!

@intelligence14wisdom22

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDungeonCoach it hasn't been very challenging so far, as their adventures have been in towns or nearby towns. But, we're about to enter a war zone, and all towns are controlled by the enemy. It's going to force them to get creative to get a long rest in.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Intelligence 14 Wisdom 2 they don’t even know how easy they have it!!! Buckle Up!!

Anything that makes Warlock feel like an actual spellcaster is good in my book.

@zynthio

2 жыл бұрын

Warlock is my second favorite class, and my favorite caster class. But I’ve never felt like it doesn’t feel like as much of a caster, in my opinion. Yes you can’t be nearly as liberal with slot usage, but there are alot of different options through invocations that lessen dependency on slots. So it just takes some creativity and resource management But all that to say, I’ll never say no to a buff to warlock lol

This is going to 100% be in my game. I really like this concept, can't wait to watch the rest of your content

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Dann Taylor awesome! Love to hear it! Let me know how that first rest goes haha 👍🏼😆

This is the first video I have seen from you, but I must say I dont uderstand how your channel is not much much bigger. Quality video, good explanation, easily followable.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Roland Szabó thank you!! I just started and have been grinding hard to keep growing, but yea I haven’t had my “big break” yet lol Thank you

I've always wanted a way to incorporate skills into resting. Performance, Cooking, and either crafting or another use for wealth for Accommodations. A rest would be more or less effective and take more or less time based on your Comforts effecting the quality of your rest. Sleeping on a damp or outright wet stone floor with a rock for a pillow on a hungry stomach and thirsty throat isn't equivalent to sleeping in a luxury bed in a mansion after a full artisan meal with your own private troubadours serenading you to sleep with or without some lovers comfort. More directly to the video: Hell yes, short rests should be 10 minutes. And I like the separation of Long and Full.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Who Knows adding in gold to rests is great!! Because YES those two rests you described would be NIGHT and DAY different! (See what I did there eh? lol) I am writing down the gold idea I my Homebrew notes!!

@steveaustin2686

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like time for a magic item. - The Bedroll of Rest. The Bedroll allows for comfortable rest in temperatures from 32F to 100F to feel like it is 70F. The hardest lumpy ground feels like a feather bed. - For a party with only one of these magical bedrolls, do you have the cleric use it to feel rested for healing? Or the Wizard/Sorcerer to rest enough for spell slot recovery? Or maybe for that fighter who is on her last few HP? Decisions, decisions, decisions.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Steve Austin YOU DID IT AGAIN! Made a damn sleeping bag SO COOL! Love it haha

@Madcanard

4 жыл бұрын

Who Knows - You made me think of the tool proficiency list in Xanathar’s. The Cook’s Utensils have a suggested ability to let you “prepare a tasty meal that helps your companions regain their strength. You and up to five creatures of your choice regain 1 extra hit point per Hit Die spent during a short rest.”

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Madcanard oooo Yea let’s steal from that!! Definitively some type of buff like that for full rests!

I also remove the auto full heal from long rests. It makes a nice difference in maintaining tension and a sense of danger, and random encounters become more of a threat.

@TheDungeonCoach

3 жыл бұрын

Esper the Bard that is SO awesome for me to hear that you so this too!! Cool to see you here! Welcome to the Crew lol

I like the idea of adding a Full Rest. The one thing I think I would do if I implemented this rest system is Short Rest: You have to roll your hit dice to regain health Long Rest: You use you hit dice but they give back Max Dice Value. (ex you have a D8 hit dice you would gain 8hp + Con mod) Full Rest: You would get back all your abilities and full HP. Other small note. RAW says you add your Con Mod to your hit dice when you use them. It is such an underused Mechanic that this is commonly overlooked. I'm only mentioning this because you didn't in your example.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Joseph Hartline I love your max example! I could see that working too! 👍🏼 And yes I knew about the con mod so I had the 1d10 avg be 6 and the mod of the fighter be +4 I principally had that in the video but cut it... maybe I should have kept it in for clarity 😆😣 god call

I might give barbarian rages back on a short rest as well. So they don’t feel left out when monks and fighters are getting their stuff back in 10 minute short rest. Good stuff! I wandered over from Treantmonks temple. Love the content!

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Andrew Celenza glad to have ya! It was a fun Collab with him! Welcome to the Crew!

@BrandonPatrk317

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, or maybe tie it to their proficiency bonus? Hrmm . . . actually, that might not work, especially for multiclassers. Or would that matter?

Absolutely love this one too! You are rocking this homebrew!

So helpful! Definitely gonna use this in my campaign. Thanks!

I really like this, will start using it soon probably. Thanks!

Just a cornucopia of cool ideas I can use(steal). Thanks a million GP! Your explanations, descriptions, choice of words, are par excellence! Your editing is seamless and has a nice flow too!

This video came out at just the right time! I had been thinking about changing the resting system for my upcoming campaign the entire day but couldn't think of a good system, this one's perfect! So smart to add the full rest to really round out the system! Great video dude, keep it up!

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Olov Lindbäck that timing though! 👍🏼 Thank you! Glad I could help out! Just trying to keep things fresh!

These are some fantastic ideas. Good work sir.

@TheDungeonCoach

3 жыл бұрын

Bryan Warren thank you so much! This has been one of my best videos apparently lol 💜

First video of yours that I’ve watched, and I have to admit, it was pretty awesome. Well done. I’ve been tweaking rests in my campaign because I have similar concerns. I will definitely work some of your suggestions into my game.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Welcome to the Crew! I try and give a fresh take on some systems with my home brew and have lots of other videos too, thank you!

GOOD SIR This is fantastic! Thanks you so much!!!!

I really like this concept! I'll try to talk my players into it!

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Olivier Rheault-Hebert haha either pitch it to them or send em the video with a time stamp (@ a certain time that you want to highlight) I’ll be the bad guy and try and convince em for ya too lol 😂

Subscribed after first video I saw a month ago. Love your content!

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Taylor Gilliland Ha! Thanks! Trying to build a good community here, glad to have ya!

This is amazing, you deserve wayyy more subs man

I'm going to talk to my players about this system at our session tonight, thanks! This is a good balance of a few different options I've seen, and seems like it will keep tension while not overdoing it to a point that players feel micromanaged.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Taber McFarlin Yea I really tweaked it a lot to get it to a spot I love too!

I've discovered you because of the free PDF of the week on the DMsGuild and wow. I'm lucky to have read that message and found you, I'm binge-watching all of your homebrew right now

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Miguel Rebollo Heck yes dude! Glad to have ya here!! I’m a small channel but we’re growin fast! Welcome to the Dungeon Crew!!!

Brilliant video coach!

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Toondog!! I try and bring fresh ideas to the table! p.s. I love your icon lol

And here I was trying write my own rest rules when my good buddy The Dungeon Coach has an entire video on it solving all of my problems. Short rests aren't good enough and long rests don't really make any sense! Thanks for making these great videos.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Jon Porter hahah “good buddy the dungeon coach” YES! I got you bro! Glad to be of service 👍🏼💜

Another great video! I've made a similar system myself as a way to make gritty realism resting feel more satisfying while also feeling grounded. Instead of adding a full rest, I added a "healing break" which is the short 10-60 minute rest (which also uses some homebrew healer's kit and recovery potion/poultice rules). Short rests work a lot like your long rests with everyone getting arcane recovery. Long rests are a few days in safety, meant to facilitate downtime activities, with the full reset.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Jeffery Thompson DUDE... I love it and we are strangely synced up! I ALSO have homebrewed healing kits that only can be used “over time” and your long rests are like my full rests! Love where your heads at! Haha

Oh wow, Coach this video was mind blowing. I have always felt rest mechanics were wonky and this is a fantastic fix.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Joseph Dellavecchia awesome! Glad to hear it helped ya! Yea I felt the same and this has felt great since 👌🏼

Awesome Stuff! Love your attitude and logical solutions for illogical rules in the game!

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Save or Death thank you!! I love your comment! Never heard it put like that, but I love me some logic!

it really reminds me of darkest dungeons. It is a dark fantasy roleplay game and when you rest in the game you have to heal and reduce stress and everything with the character skills and action. So you don‘t magical heal but the group actually has to medical treat the injured or the bard tells jokes to reduce stress level or the houndmaster lets his dog check the surroundings so no nightime raid occurs.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Alkair I LOVE that game!! So... dark... lol I played the crap out of that game!!

I like it, may have to use it with some of my own tweaks for my groups from now on.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

TheNekofanatic o for sure, I always add my own tweaks to most things I snag offline! 👍🏼 go for it!!

Just found your channel because of Reddit. Good content! I subscribed, and liked, so I'm looking forward to that down time video.

Yea! Damn players constantly want to take long rests.... I ended that by implementing the hardcore rest rules where a short rest takes 8 hours and a long rest takes 7 days. It definitely added way more role play to our game. Players were a little disappointed at first because they can't get spell slots back unless they take a long rest. I was always trying to figure out a middle ground here... These homebrew rest rules are amazing! Keep up the videos man! You're the best D&D channel on KZread! Thanks!

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Merrick HA! Damn dude that’s BRUTAL... but I LOVE it!!! I’m glad I could help! My approach literally is like half way between your hard core rule and RAW! Awesome!

@FiveIron24

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDungeonCoach Dood I think your rules are great. I'm going t be switching to those. I'm just wondering what would you say to a party trying to do 2 long rests back to back? I feel like some players would try to abuse that. I guess maybe that's more a dm thing making sure the world is immersive and won't allow them to just hang out for 12 hours??

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Merrick you nailed it! If my world allows them to literally chill for 12 hours then go for it! Haha 😆 It’s our job to give carrots on a stick and fires under asses (or threatening monsters) to entice/ encourage/ force them to GO! So I would put some plot reason in place for that double long rest situation! Hope that helps! Thanks man

@FiveIron24

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDungeonCoach Thanks!

I am quite impressed by your level of energy and industry you put into your work. Thanks for the great vids and helping us make our games better, and my favorite part of your new system is the RP that takes place during the watches.

Just started DMing and this is Awesome! Love the realistic feel to recovery. That day after, and even a second day, is when you “feel” the adventure

I gotta say, I don't think I could have found this video at a more perfect time. Just earlier today I was trying to figure out how I would change long rests to make them less op and encourage more planning when traveling, since you can't get all your stuff back. I absolutely love this homebrew and will 100% be implementing it in my games

@TheDungeonCoach

2 жыл бұрын

Perfect! glad I could help, I JUST released a NEW video like 3 weeks ago on an Updated Rest System that is going in my book im writing, check that out to for help!

Love this idea, just floated it out to my party...need to look at what everyone gets on a short VS long rest though to make it fit my group. Best piece of this advice is the idea that long rests are not a magic reset on everything, and that full rests implement downtime into the mechanics of the game. Love the homebrew ideas, keep 'em coming!

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Adam Yazbeck awesome! Glad you like it! There’s more where that came from!! I got ya 👌🏼

Great video

Just wanna say, I've just found out your channel and your subs reminder was so on point xD. Thanks dude you are doing an amazing job at helping me homebrew my campaign :)

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Sébastien Palmieri haha wait what did I even say?! I wanna know! Haha thank you for the feedback 👌🏼 And I’m so glad I could help you weave in that Homebrew!! Gotta love it!

@Banhorable

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDungeonCoach I was binge watching your videos then I got to the 0:40 mark of this one. I honestly thought I had already subscribed, but I was darn ashamed when I saw I wasn't, so good thing you reminded me :D

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Sébastien Palmieri hahahahaha I laughed out loud when I read “darn ashamed” lol It’s all good bro! Glad I am “ bingeable”for ya lol

This feels like you're increasing the DC of my game. 🤪 For a full rest if you want to be a classicalist. White box DND recommends a month of down time for a full heal.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Haha Increasing the DC for players to get away with CHEAP FREE LONG REST HEALS!??!? Muahahah :)

The bonus health on a full rest could be 7 days - con mod. So the beefy characters recover faster

@TheDungeonCoach

3 жыл бұрын

C H Ooooooo wow! I never thought about tying it to their modifier! That’s super interesting!

@SeeAche

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDungeonCoach yea i feel like the modifiers could be utilized more often. I really like class features that tie the main or secondary stat mod to number of uses.

I like it. I also have my own Homebrew for Long and Short Rest. Long Rests don't restore any health off the bat, but all Hit Dice spent automatically restore max. Bard's "Song of Rest" applies here too. Additionally, number of Hit Dice refreshed isn't set, but dependant on the quality of the rest (based on the Lifestyle Expenses on page 157 of the PHB). Outside of towns, players need to use skills to ensure quality Rest to refresh as many Hit Dice as possible. Recovering up to Max for both HP and Dice may take a few days, making Towns a needed stop, and if more Hit Dice are refreshed than your max and your HO is already full, a small amount of Temp HP is earned, meaning players leave Towns with a nice buff to start the next quest. Short Rests function otherwise similarly, but players that maybe don't need dice to recover HP can expend them to reset some Long Rest things, one HD recovers a Sorcerer or Ki Point, or to recover Spell slots. Breathers are a new Rest type and are shorter still, taking only one minute per Hit Die spent, but spending Hit Dice to recover HP costs twice the Hit Dice (roll 2, recover the higher, + Con), and Short Rest abilities can be recharged by expending dice similarly to Long Rest abilities during Short Rests. Regardless of Rest type taken, players can never use more Hit Dice than their Proficiency bonus at one time.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Ixelhaine O... my... god... this is brilliant! Seriously I am blown away! TOP NOTCH! I am writing this down and adding it to my Homebrew list! Will 100% shout you out though! One of my most favorite Homebrew I’ve ever seen in a comment!!!!

@schifer5012

4 жыл бұрын

Dude, using hit dice to recover spells and abilities sounds exactly what I'm looking for, thank you! Do you have a list of how much each class ability costs, or at least a rule of thumb or something (particularly spell slots)?

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Matheus Almeida I really liked his Homebrew too! Hit dice uses are my weak spot lol

@zynthio

2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love these ideas. If you don’t mind I’m going to be combining ideas from the video, some of yours, and some I already was planning to implement into a really solid system. Props for the creative ideas and thank you!

Bro, your content is legendary. Super helpful to me as a new DM. Excited to start building my own custom home brew rules for going forward.

@TheDungeonCoach

3 жыл бұрын

That comment just made my morning dude! Thanks! My biggest tip is keep pushing the limits of the game!! 👍🏼

@baristus

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDungeonCoach Thanks man; looking forward to continue to follow your content. Keep up the good work!

I actually would like to take inspiration from your system and sort of... alter it. I call it the comfort system, and it works a little similarly to your system. Basically, there are 3 levels of comfort determined by your environment and the DM, and each one determines how long short rests are and when you can take them, and what you recover on a long rest: Comfortable (includes areas inhabited by humanoids, an urban city, or the inside of a Magnificent Mansion) Short Rests: Lasts 10 minutes, can be taken while moving at a slow or moderate pace but extends the duration to 30 minutes Long Rests: Fully recover hit dice and HP Average (includes lightly wooded areas, well traveled roads, or camp sites) Short Rest: lasts 30 minutes, can be taken while moving at a slow pace but extends duration to 1 hour Long Rests: Recover half hit dice and half HP Hostile (includes frigid depths of the ocean, frozen peaks of the mountains, the drippings tunnels of a dungeon, a desert blasted by heat, or a lush forest trying to choke the life out of you) Short rests: 1 hour Long rests: Recover half hit dice Basically, depending on the location and environment (and possibly any spells or fortifications set up by the party), short and long rests have different capabilities. In the city you feel comfortable and can rest easy traveling roads designed to guide you, but also you don’t really need to worry about taking short rests so easily, and you can easily recover at an inn in a comfortable bed with a good meal. On the roads it isn’t horrible, but it isn’t too too comfortable, but at least the roads are smoothed so traveling isn’t too much a problem and you can easily find clearings and places on the side of the road to camp, with nice grass and warm fires. A dank dungeon is meant to be inhospitable, you can’t rest easy here, and these paths weren’t made to help you, and the cold stone floor is much more uncomfortable than the forest floor ever was. You can’t even risk the comfort of a fire.

Currently in another game (session 0), literally pulled this back up as an example

@TheDungeonCoach

4 ай бұрын

Let’s goooo! What’s up Devon!!! My hero dude! 💜💜💜

I love this, perfect for my seafaring campaign!

This reminds me a lot of 13th Age's system for healing up. Although 13th Age's is way more brutal. There is no long rest in the system, your character long rests only to heal up using hit die and avoid exhaustion (so basically a short rest but longer). After every four significant battles, the DM decides you can then get a full heal up (this is what affects 'daily' abilities and is not actually based on how many days you rest). Personally, I do not think this a good idea. It makes sense that in a fantasy world where magic exists, that a long rest would fully heal up everyone. Rather than change the resting system you increase the players urgency. They want to rest up in a dungeon in the room before the big boss? The boss, instead, now charges at them while they are in 1 hour into the rest cause the boss will not let them full rest right in front of him (how disrespectful!). Or the dungeon could be falling apart or filling up with water. Add something that puts the players into a tight time frame so if they decide to long rest they are risking or sacrificing a lot for it.

This is 6e material right here. THANK YOU!

ive recently started this attrition style as a player and I love it. I never realized what I was missing with the resource management and it makes the party more vulnerable. We have learned to be a little more wary of encounters and it brings more ideas to the table. I definitely suggest trying it out at least for a bit for everyone. It may feel a little restrictive at first until you get used to it but if you do try it, make sure to try it for a few sessions.

Nice! You are an actual Sports Coach!! Cool! You are making so much sense. Your style is exactly what i want happen at my table. Player interactions!! Making Health more important is definitely what i like. I play Support Classes mainly and Death and Healing is often neglected in other tables. As a DM i want to incorporate full player Agency and investment. I like your Style Coach!!

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Sesimie StreetFighter hell yea dude! That’s awesome to hear! We are probably very similar DMs!!

One thing I do is add a wounded condition which basically forces the party to take a break depending on the level. The highest level basically renders you unable to do anything in combat, and it additionally makes the regeneration spell awesome because it removes all stacks of the wounded condition.

This may be one of my favorite homebrew ideas.

Wow. I came up with a rest system where each hour you choose between spending a Hit Die, or regaining a Hit Die. This way, a Long Rest is almost exactly like the homebrew that you described! Pretty neat to see the validation there

A variable of a homebrew. This is the mad scientist phase! 😂 Love this channel❤

when your like rolls over the like bar from 1.9k to 2k feels so good

Straight up have a VERY similar Homebrew rule for my group. Short rests are 10 minutes and you can regain 1/4 hit die, long rests are 8 hours and you can use 1/2 hit die, full rests are 48 hours, heal to full, and give back all hit die. I also heavily overhauled the leveling system and magic system, so my full rests also give back lvl 10 and up spell slots, but that's a whole other thing. That won't be a factor till well after they break level 20, and they're currently level 7. Yes I'm very ambitious and optimistic. :D

This is amazing

Seems like an interesting combination of the rest variants in the DMG. I like the idea of asking the PCs what they talk about during their shifts.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Dylan Haire it’s awesome what comes from it, for real! The first time might not be something special, but if you are consistent with it they will start to think about it before hand (or I’ve even have players talk to me between sessions about who they are planning on talking to next rest lol)

I am happy my group decided themselves that they won't sleep in dungeons. They are at looking for safe spots for short rests and so far only took long rests when they were in a city, in a solid hut and once made camp at the edge of a forrest. But they say themselves, they don't want to take long rests in a dungeon and even be careful with short rests, as this would break their immersion

Hey I was wondering how u would ya the long rest as spell instead of the second half giving back spell what else would you do like only half coming back using the wizard recovery by altered would like to know

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

sometimes I have done arcane recovery the fisrt half then full the second half, especialy if I have a spell caster heav group!

Great Homebrew! I actually really love this! Gonna write it all down and use it in my game! I slept through being there first comment but it looks unclaimed so it's ok lol

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Haha get your sleep bro! And glad you like it! It made all these things feel better across the board!

I like your idea on the rest changes and especially the long rest sleep. 3/3. Priming the conversation for the long rest is really a smart move to develop the role play.

This is really cool! I like this a lot and i actually came up with the healing thing but one of my players really didn't like it so we instead settled on "If you get knocked unconscious then you gain a level of exhaustion." I'm obviously late to the party but i also came up with a long rest system that can incorporate any crafting or extra activities into it: Basically during a long rest, characters get 4 "rest point" these poins can be spent on various things e.g 2 points to sleep and avoid exhaustion, 1 point tk brew a potion, 1 point to take watch (4 watch "slots" need filling), 1 point to cook a meal. I play on Roll 20 so i made a table with all these spaces and gave each player 4 character tokens to place where they wanted to use their rest points.

Came in super skeptical, but by the end I’m pretty much sold on this system! I’ve been trying to brew a perfect resting and healing system that’s not too brutal on the players and slow paced, but not so unbelievably forgiving as 5e’s standard system. Literally been stuck on this subject for months now while I wait to DM after my buds campaign wraps up, but I think this is what I’ll be taking to the table! Thank you!

I came up with an almost identical system. I think hit die are underused so I also put a limit on spell slot recovery (slots level 5 or higher cost a hit die to recover). Rather than a full rest system I award extra hit die for good meals and staying in higher lifestyle accomodation. This encourages PCs to stay in a decent inn. What I realised is that 5e design means wounds have less effect on health (hit points) and more of an effect on ability to recover while adventuring (hit die). But because the designers didn’t come up with a whole lot of hit die taxes the design does not hang together

I've found for stuff like the arcane recovery on the "short Long Rest," you would double the effectiveness for that class. For example, me and a few of my friends made a D&D spell-learning system for all classes since our campaign is modified to go to level 100. To balance out just taking the feature from the wizard, we halved the time it takes them to learn spells with that system.

I’m quite sure that the meta gamers in the community will have a field day with changing a short rest to ten minutes. To discourage your group from abusing short rests after using up their abilities or stubbing a toe, you can always interrupt the rest with wandering monsters. In the event of players attempting to abuse these variant rules, I would add in that a character can only benefit from a short rest once per in-game hour.

I like the content of this video DC! I really liked the way you addressed the possibility of classes feeling less unique when you are using their specific abilities. My question is how many different groups have you used your long rest rules, and is this one you always use or are the homebrew rest mechanics really depend on the group of players you have.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Dane Thomsen I always shift my own homebrews where I see fit for each group, but definitely have a “default” setting. Used these rules with groups of all sizes and I mention about the group that loved the 3 hour rests and we did a system of those instead. 👍🏼

Hey this is great, I realy like all the ideas that you say. So, how can I apply this rule for Warlocks? Sorry about english, I don’t speak (or write) very well

What do you do about spell slots above level 5 during your version of a long rest?

Honestly as a person who has a spent a long time studying 5e from an outside perspective, this homebrew system fixes a bunch of problems. I've been thinking of running 5e for a bit. With this and a few other things, I think it'll be my kind of game. Thanks Coach :)

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Cameron F Yeeeaa! I’m working on everntuakly combining all this together into a D&D 5.5e!!! And make it a thing! Haah

@cameronf5893

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDungeonCoach that would be super cool! Keep up the good work!

I've been watching some of your videos on homebrew. What I don't like about your homebrew ideas is they don't simplify the game, the complicate it by adding more stuff for everyone to learn. Here's how to fix resting issues: Option 1. Use the Gritty Realism rest variant of 8 hours for a short rest, 7 days for a long rest rule in the DMG page 267. Option 2. Eliminate 5e rests, use Old School Healing, Rest, and Bedrest instead: Recover all spell slots (and powers) and 1 hit point after completing one night sleep, 2 hit points if you stayed in bed all day. This encourages the players to avoid damage, fight smarter, and rely more on expendable healing resources.

I was recently invited to a pathfinder game and thought the skill feats they have were really cool and will definitely be converting them to 5e somehow. I am adding that a medicine check can be made to allow someone to expend some hit dice and get a couple extra dice as well

Added this to my game with 3 players and it was tremendous. It encouraged post battle chit chat and they were ready. Plus sleeping sagely was achieved without nerfing the “keep watch” aspect

Someone who used to walk cross country with a massive rucksack of camping equipment, after 5 hours of waking you god damn want more than 10 minutes of sitting down. Think a short rest as literally just lunch. With these changes I’d be sure to rework Catnap spell.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

BLT haha Yea I bet’ from a long distance aerobic perspective I see what you mean lol! And yea catnap for sure would be in need of some rework!

Another very useful video on maybe one of the most controversial aspect of the game, well done coach! Personally I had to limiting the number of short rest to 2 bewteen each long rest (or the warlock monk and other classes on short rest would have gone out of control pretty quickly) but the idea of three kind of rest is intriguing!

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Marco Pagnini Means a lot coming from a Homebrew pro like yourself! I thought the same! So adding a 3rd rest was my solution 👌🏼

Heh... nice to know that you're using almost the same resting system as I am. I AM gonna steal the "2 people keeping watch simultaneously" part though, as well as the "get half the HD back right in the middle" part.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Animus Nocturnus really! Nice! Always crazy to hear when people have such similar ideas even though we’ve never spoken before lol! Glad I could help with those little tweaks! 👍🏼

@animusnocturnus7131

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDungeonCoach Well, it is a rather obvious tweak, even beaing partially covered in the DMG on page 267 under the section "Slow Natural Healing". So it's not completely out there, but it's definitely nice to know that I'm not alone in feeling that someone being hit in a fight shouldn't be able to just "sleep it off" in mere hours.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Animus Nocturnus were definitely synced up bro!

I love differentiating between a full rest and long rest. Your buff to short rests also adds value to classes like warlock and fighter, which tend to be underpowered in games that reward one or two fights per usual long rest. It definitely keeps things balanced in a unique way.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

DM Shower Thoughts thank you! I know your thoughts in homebrews so that means a lot coming from you, for real! Thank you!

@dmshowerthoughts5034

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDungeonCoach Yeah I'm actually going to do a follow up video about my relationship with RAW and Homebrew to clarify that a little. You said something which really resonated with me, which is that it's all about your players at your table. At my table, a lot players are coming to the game teaching themselves and having habits they've developed, so being able to bridge their knowledge with the style of game I want to run is huge. Keep up the awesome content

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

DM Shower Thoughts thanks man! I appreciate your input for sure! Lookin forward you that video!

Way late to the part but do other DM still impose a negative for sleeping in mid & heavy armor?

oooh I like these

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Admiral Stoic Rum awesome! Thank you, I love Homebrew rules! Was excited to share this one for sure!

The way I handle short and long rests is that short rests are 10 minutes, and basically serve as a moment to catch your breath and adds additional use to people with proficiency in medicine as they can use med kits to patch up the party during this period with limited effectiveness. As for long rests I make them last for 2 hours, and they basically serve as a meals allowing the party to heal using their hit dice. However, like the dungeon coach I add full rests which are 8 hours, and these refresh hit dice and full heal the catch is the party must be able to. I also worked this system into my other home brew making some of the abilities make more sense abilities more balanced.

I have 4 different types of rests. A breather which is 10 minutes and allows you to spend a single hit dice. You can do as many breathers in a row as you want. A short rest as per RAW A long rest as per RAW And a Full rest which restores all hit dice as well as all hit points.

The new campaign I just started the players opted to use a bunch of optional rules from the DMG. Healer’s Kit Dependency - can't spend hit dice during rests unless a healer's kit is used on them. Healing Surges - once per short / long rest a player can spend an action to spend hit dice to heal. (and they regain all hit dice at the end of a long rest instead of half) Slow Natural Healing - instead of regaining all hp after a long rest they have to spend hit dice. Gritty Realism - short rests now take 8 hours and long rests take a week. All of these combined slow the group down and make them think hard before rushing into combat. Suddenly that dungeon crawl seems a lot harder, and the long rests taking a week works nicely with the week of downtime activity. Which makes the players think about and use their background more. I love all of it and they seem to be enjoying it as well. It keeps the threat and tensions high while out adventuring but still allows for RP with downtime. Honestly couldn't recommend it more.

I am DMing for a group containing two characters with access to "Trance". How could I adjust the ruling that they don't feel bad that they lost their ability? I was thinking of maybe dividing lost rests in 3 parts. Characters with access to "Trance" must meditate for 2.5 hours, while other characters must sleep for 5 hours. What do you think? Or is this too strong then? Honestly I especially like the RP part of this homebrew, but I still want to maintain some of the mechanics. That's why I thought of this modification.

Would love to hear some of the abilities you have that reset on a full rest

Love the hit die usage, they’re so under utilized. I do a similar thing making hit die a resource to be managed. But I don’t give the players half HP recovery after the long rest but I do reset their number of hit die after the long rest. If they use all their hit die during short rests well...that’s going to be a rough night of sleep. I don’t screw with class ability recovery. But I like how these limits make the bard’s song of rest much more useful. Also the use healer’s kit and medicine skills to help patch people up during a short rest as well. My players tend to actually use potions and scrolls more often than when running RAW in my experience.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Tom Moses thanks man! Yea hit dice are such a cool resource that you could do even more of! I’m with ya there! I don’t screw with recharges in general either, just balance the encounters on my end 👌🏼 Bard long rest and healing kits are huge, really makes them manage resources better!

Making hit dice a less neglected mechanic and actually make it a resource you have to manage, makes the durable feat actually worth getting.

Another excellent video coach! I love the Full rest mechanic. How much temporary HP would you give them after completing one?

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Usually just one hit die (plus con mod) but could also have it be more and give + to saving throws

Hey coach, loved the vid. Keep it up. The only question I have is how would you handle races that get special rest times I.e. elves trace ability?

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Jordan MAC thanks man! I’d say the elves would get the long rest benefits in that first section, have never had an elf with this system... BUT you want to make sure they FEEL the cool/ special effect of that and I’d say it wouldn’t be too game breaking to let em do that 👌🏼

@stm7810

3 жыл бұрын

They recover an extra free hit die per 4 levels or something, and extra spell slots. still not turning a trance in a mouldy cave into the same as truly recovering but better off than the other party members who are twitching about more in their short sleep, not recovering much stamina.

Sorry late question for you: how would you go about the spell Catnap? It normally brings a short rest for a few people down to 10 minutes. Should it become 1 minute? 5? I’d feel bad if my players who have catnap got their spell choice worsened?

I prefer a more realistic, stricter rest system. For a short rest, only 1 hit die allowed,; for a long rest you can use as many hit dice as you have left and you gain back half after a rest, also only 1 long rest per day allowed. Magic healing and potions becomes much more valuable even outside combat with these resting rules. I recommend using this only.for experienced players that like a challenge.

Question did you read the variant rules of resting and healing in the dmg? It basically is. It less complicat and basically do the same time

@masnav1

3 жыл бұрын

You basically combine the grindun realism and epic heroism(short rest is 5 min) And you use the healing variant...

What if for long rest you roll your max hit die plus con

Good stuff as always man! I usually like to stick to RAW when I can, but your videos definitely make me think about things and that’s a great thing! Question for you: Do you stick to the RAW about only being able to benefit from 1 long rest every 24 hours? And also what are your thoughts on implementing a “Only 2 sort rests per long rest” rule? It’s suggested in the PHB, but not a rule. I think letting the players know that that is the rule before your campaign starts will let them make good choices making a character and in game resource management choices.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Madcanard I respect that RAW loyalty, for sure! Glad to get ya thinking! I usually run it as 2 short and 1 long per day, BUT if extraneous circumstances arise I’ll tweak that, which is always a fun twist too. But yea I should have mentioned that in this video!! Writing that down for next time!

@jtjames79

3 жыл бұрын

Now you got me wanting to make resting an entire mini game. Like giving the players one free short and long rest, but after that they have to start rolling saving throws or "bad things" might interrupt their rest. Triggering an encounter, or maybe a one round skill challenge. To make things a little more fair for the wizards non-wizards have to choose between an arcane recovery or a physical one (spell slots or HP), while wizards get both. That makes things a little more fair for the non-casters as well.

On the addition of temporary HP after a full rest, I've been experimenting with letting my players really immerse themselves in the resting, imagining themselves making meals, strumming instruments and singing along, playing dice or other such, chatting, generally having a good time, and in return I let them roll for temp HP. I've come to seeing max HP as the baseline at which they can stay if they just grit their teeth and struggle through, and that eating well and having a good time can increase that significantly. Now that they're level 4, I'm thinking of letting them roll a number of hit dice equal to their proficiency bonus and add their Con mod, as well as an additional hit die in the morning if they have a good and hearty breakfast. This temporary HP only lasts until the next morning, so they can't stack it for days. Obviously, making such a ruckus, cooking up aromatic food, or even just making a fire are all highly conspicuous and might draw unwanted attention, but I'm loving the increased freedom and the immersion it provides, and they've been careful with it so far anyway.

You should do write ups of these homebrew rules on Google Docs or Homebrewery or GM Binder or something. Having it presented nicely in print would make it a lot easier to use. Great video, as always!

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

irish_texan I always have a text doc linked in ALL my videos! Check out this one and see if it looks professional enough? I’ve been thinking about putting some stuff up there! Thanks for the feedback

@FaustinaFalcon8

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDungeonCoach wow i feel like a dumb idiot. i hadnt even checked the description when i opened my stupid mouth lol

@FaustinaFalcon8

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDungeonCoach dude it looks awesome. great formatting and easy to follow. If you want that cool "official wizards content" look to it, here's an awesome resource for that: homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

irish_texan thanks! (I love the name btw, I’m from Texas lol) I’ll definitely check out that link!

@FaustinaFalcon8

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDungeonCoach hell yeah man. keep up the good work!

I'm looking for comments on how to work Dreams Druid ability Hearth of Moonlight and Shadow into this. I'm thinking if that is running, it meets the qualification for a Full Rest, though can it be used for a Full Rest? Should it be active uninterrupted for a Full Rest, just for a Long Rest, or 8 hours of a Full Rest? If the last option, then can it be restarted every 8 hours until the Full Rest is done? Is there another way someone has it working? I look forward to hear what everyone thinks.

The challenge with increasing the usefulness of a short rest beyond the rules as written, is that some classes benefit far more from a short rest than others. So to restore balance, you’ll need to find additional ways to tweak class rules. You address some of this, but it isn’t clear how this would work aside from being a general idea. Maybe instead, just tell the players “it isn’t possible to do any restorative rest and/or sleep where you are now: it’s too dangerous and the constant state of alert is too stressful for any attempt at a rest to be effective.” The other problem though, is if I cast a protective portal-type rest spell like mordenkainen’s, then guess what? Our party is going to take the newfangled long rest regardless of the home brew. I am not saying these ideas aren’t good, because they are, but at the end of the day, a story-based solution is superior to an attempt to micromanage firm rules.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

I definitely agree that you have to fit these to your group/ classes/ story I just find that this system lets the story take center stage and is my “baseline” rest to adjust from (10 min and 6 hours vs 1 hour and 8 hours) Totally agree with you though! Story > Systems

@roberttschaefer

4 жыл бұрын

The Dungeon Coach - I do like the way you are thinking through the issues, and I especially like WHY you are exploring this (to speed up the game; to increase immersion and role play). I think a lot of GM/DMs do not always embrace the power they have at their disposal to create an experience. Part of what players love, is to make plans on how to tackle challenges based on a consistent rule set, and anther part of what players love, is the unexpected and the adventure... perhaps in equal measure. That makes home brew rules kind of difficult to change in any formal sense. However, even using the RAW, almost every player would respect “it’s not possible to rest at this location and at this time for X reason” or, to equally respect fast-tracking a rest because the location is so safe and well-secured. I think too many people are focused on “flaws” in the rules, rather than understanding that all rules are nothing more than guidelines that are completely in service to the gameplay experience. For example, how a given wizard spell works can depend greatly on 1000s of different game environment factors, regardless of what the rules say.

@TheDungeonCoach

4 жыл бұрын

robert schaefer that’s very well said! I did that with the RAW for this for years and was just like “screw it” and then changed it. But I definitely think it’s a big DM skill to adapt to the RAW and keep it going smooth