I was responding to a post on Camus derived from his "Myth of Sisyphus". I thought myself bright when I wrote that Camus was basically morality or happiness for the obtuse. A sort of how to for bureaucrats. I then realized or wondered, aren't we all obtuse? Isn't what we don't know controlling what we do, or SHOULD BE controlling what we do? Isn't ignorance the "ought" of morality more than ethics. Consciousness? Why does the "bird sit on the nest"? Why are you only that smart? Why aren't you smarter? In the military there are 3 classifications: classified, need to know, and secret. I think there are 3 types of consciousness, maybe more, but which consciousness is best? The one that has access to the classified, the secret or the need to know? Could it be that the best consciousness is the need to know one? That, in fact, the one with all the secret information is the one least equipped by evolution to adapt? Why would eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil be responsible for man's Fall? Did it increase our secret clearance and increase our consciousness? Or did it relegate us to the need to know aisle and decrease our consciousness? Nietszche said what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. In this world what you don't know makes it easier to live with yourself.

We are the self awareness of the cosmos💫

@sven888

12 күн бұрын

That is true.

@kentheengineer592

12 күн бұрын

Nope Because That Can Be Dissolved

@DavidDavoDavidson

12 күн бұрын

More like the cosmos is our awareness

@bparcej6233

12 күн бұрын

@@kentheengineer592 before it’s dissolved

@sven888

12 күн бұрын

@@kentheengineer592 Waves appear many but ocean is one.

Consciousnes also give us the "understanding", which provides a clear evolutionary advantage. Understanding how the environment works give us a fuzzy intuition to predict other individuals behaviour and how and when to act, well beyond the capabilities of a non concious specie.

I think when it comes to consciousness and attention or focus, there are a few things we need to remember. While we can be completely focused on some, it can have our full attention. It is possible, however, to do something a little different. For example, you can be driving from one place to another, changing gears, watching for the stop light at a crossing, reading road signs, etc, and even checking out the view around you. You can, though, then reach your destination and not remember the journey. If we look at it from the point if view of sleep, there is a point between being awake and sleep where you become unconscious. You can then have a dream, taking in what the dream shows you and, in some cases, even being aware that you're dreaming. When it comes to consciousness, it's a little tricky to define, but I guess the best way perhaps is to look at the difference between being conscious and unconscious. It's something that needs compleat definition to define it. I often see people trying to break it down into one thing or to try to find it in one part of the brain. While completely understandable, it's also possible that it takes many parts for consciousness to happen and possibly uses many parts of the brain. I feel this is more likely. We often incorporate feelings into consciousness. When I'm conscious, I can feel this or that which of course, is a chemical process. We, at least most people but not all, hear their own voices in their heads when they are thinking. I think if we were able to hear our own unconscious mind thinking, it would drive us crazy as it would most likely sound like white noise with all the information it has running through it every moment of every day. The brain looks at, thinks about, and sees the world in two impoertant ways. From a conscious and unconscious point of view, logical verses creatively, solid verse abstract and so on. It's as if there are, and it could possibly be right, two versions of you within your skill. Those two versions speak to one another, compare information, and come to some conclusion who's is what we might call consciousness.

The quality of consciousness is not strained; It enables us to imagine gentle rain from heaven Upon ourselves beneath. It is twice blest; It blesseth him who feels it and him who models it Our unique 'consciousness' was positively selected (if not now, but at some earlier time) because it significantly altered the ratio of 'energy out, to energy in' permitting more suucessful calorie investment in offspring. So, what then is it? The capacity to stand next to a cave wall tonight, and using imagination and pictographs model the environment tomorrow, including the feel of all the conditions upon our minds and bodies. so we could more efficiently stalk the megafauna that provide all those calories.

Motivational creativity.

Interesting to parse the difference between consciousness and attention. Consciousness is the more generalized state which can be passive and receptive, OR focused and active - which is what we call "attention." If you are able to quiet your active attention from thought to thought like a butterfly flitting from flower to flower, (such as in a state of meditation), then that is a more pure state of consciousness in which you still feel like you without necessarily being preoccupied by any particular thought or narrative. The value of this is a state of serenity in which one can step back from over identifying with any particular narrative which can often involve conflict or confusion.

@longcastle4863

13 күн бұрын

You follow the one butterfly you choose to follow

Can Robert do an episode at some time, to say whether, after all these years of searching, he is actually any closer to truth... Thank you

@sven888

12 күн бұрын

Of course he knows we are ONE and that all differentiation within oneness serves but the purpose of LOVE. But... that would end the series and we don't want that. Just see it as entertainment for the intellectual Western mind.

@francesco5581

12 күн бұрын

well yes that would be interesting ..

@udaykumar-lv4xo

10 күн бұрын

He makes more money staying half way closer to truth.. I wish he realises the truth so that he can share that money to poor people. Just joking..His right brain is dead which is needed for consciusness experience. he still thinks waking state is consciousness...He cannot understand consciousness is the observer and the observed.

@sven888

10 күн бұрын

@@udaykumar-lv4xo I am pretty sure he understands. I hope so.... But you are spot on when it comes to monetization. I just see it as bread and games for the overly intellectual Western Mind.

Consciousness has purpose ..I think it's to evolve infinitely ..namely consciousness is eternal and cannot be destroyed.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

Very correct. Surprisingly not many people can capture this simple truth.

@Dion_Mustard

11 күн бұрын

@@sven888 :)

0:50 from the physical perspective, it seems as consciousness is necessary for the animation of the physical structure and its meaningful interaction with its surroundings... but the quest for purpose leads to a new question: what is the purpose of a conscious physical structure or life and what/where is its source 🤔

@r2c3

13 күн бұрын

​@@NotSoGulliblesurvival instinct seems to work very well... but how and from where did such drive stem from...

@r2c3

13 күн бұрын

​@@NotSoGullibleit certainly makes perfect sense... but also, if matter is energy with a given entropy value (structured in a particular/usefull shape) then what is driving such range of values in a purposeful way... can we attribute such properties to energy itself or is there a missing part that we've yet to discover...

@r2c3

13 күн бұрын

​@@NotSoGulliblegood questions keep the mind active... the quest of purpose can be as good of a purpose as any other :)

If consciousness were independent of physical brain, then why would anyone ever be wrong about a physical fact? If two people stood in a field and one person blinked as lighting struck on the horizon, both person’s experiences would differ. One person saw the lightning, the other didn’t. Consciousness IS dependent on physical processes.

@steve_____K307

12 күн бұрын

Can you elaborate? What does your statement have to do with the purpose, or origin, of consciousness? If we were to extend your statement to the following “Consciousness IS dependent on physical processes and a physical processes IS dependent on laws of physics”. Aren’t we left with “Ok, so what is the actual point of the comment?”. I might have just missed it. If so, sorry in advance. 🙂

@sven888

12 күн бұрын

Process as in singular not plural. All differentiation is (contained within) oneness.

@dr_shrinker

12 күн бұрын

@@steve_____K307 My statement has nothing to do with the purpose of consciousness. As for the origin, neurologists believe consciousness originates in the cerebral cortex. The point of my comment is to demonstrate that consciousness is the result of physical processes, and I used an example of misinterpretation of reality to show how physics influences a persons consciousness.

Another obviously circular argument about "the purpose of consciousness": It's for motivation. But without consciousness there is no one to be motivated. A thermostat and a computer do not need to be "motivated." Same with all the attention based arguments; i.e., the "workspace" argument. A non-conscious entity does not need a "workspace" to work, and it doesn't have "attention." It just does what it is caused to do by antecedent events. According to materialism, consciousness is thoroughly irrelevant to causation. So its not needed to motivate anyone or focus their attention. Consciousness only has a purpose if it has a unique causal role (i.e., free will), in which case that causal role is the purpose of consciousness, not the things that facilitate its decision-making. But no scientist wants to say that consciousness has a causal role, so they come up with circulate BS like "motivation" or "attention." Why do highly intelligent people become so dumb when talking about consciousness?

@dr_shrinker

13 күн бұрын

What are you talking about? A thermostat and computer do need to be motivated. Thermostats do nothing until the Mercury “motivates” the thermostat to kick the AC on. Regarding computers…..There is literally a “prompt” which is a message that is issued to the terminal when the program in control requires input from the terminal user.

@doloresabernathy9809

13 күн бұрын

@@dr_shrinker You are equating motivated with caused. which means the idea of motivation is redundant. Motivation in the psychological sense means that someone is caused to subjectively want something. that requires consciousness. Ignoring subjectivity means ignoring consciousness.

@anteodedi8937

13 күн бұрын

According to epiphenomenalism consciousness has no causal role. There I fixed it for you.

@doloresabernathy9809

13 күн бұрын

@@anteodedi8937 right it serves no purpose so it evolved by accident. solves it by saying its a meaningless accident. seems absurd to me but if you want to believe that everything you have ever experienced is a meaningless accident .. enjoy!

@anteodedi8937

13 күн бұрын

@@doloresabernathy9809 My point was that what you are talking about is epiphenomenalism and materialists are not necessarily committed to that. You also seem to be operating under post Cartesian assumptions when you say “everything you have ever experienced”. You somehow relocate all contents of experience to the mind, aka subjective. Experience when it goes right is essentially a relationship between the mind and the external world.

Well if I say something like: Consciousness is both the data and the appreciation of the data, where appreciation is the "meaning" of data with respect to organismic goals. The "data" part of consciousness is the covarying of brain activity with events happening in the external (real) world. Maybe I left some stuff out, but this seems like an OK minimal "functional" definition.

How much more difficult would it be to organize the efforts of a hundred million people, in the interests of mutual survival and thriving, if each individual's behavior was strictly instinct driven? Being conscious might be what enables civilization and civilization might be what enables being conscious given that human beings and civilization co-evolved.

Meu amor … já disse que só eu tenho as respostas sobre consciências e suas funções …!

@sven888

12 күн бұрын

Somos hermanos... te amo hombre.

This series should be renamed closer to truth but never the truth.

'Purpose', everything have a purpose, Consciousness is Not a thing, Cosciousness is the Cause-less Cause, Life is Eternal, Can't have any meaning, Meanings has to do with Creation, 'there most be Meaning with the Madness'. The General Purpose of Life, is Experience and Development of Life. So, all Life-Unit's have Eternal Consciousness, The Life-Desire, Hunger- and Satisfaction-principles, drives the Development and Life-Performance.

Human consciousness doesn't have a general purpose. It has whatever purpose you, and/or society, assigns to it.

The apex directive of consciousness is to remain conscious

@browngreen933

13 күн бұрын

No. It's to invent weapons leading to species annihilation. 😢

@longcastle4863

13 күн бұрын

I think consciousness cares less about its survival than the survival of the life it arose to protect

@RecklessG1

12 күн бұрын

@@longcastle4863 No disrespect, but could you please elaborate. I don't understand where you're going.

@longcastle4863

12 күн бұрын

@@RecklessG1 Imo, consciousness needs to be understood first and foremost from the perspective of biological evolution. Consciousness arose and increased in complexity over time due to the benefits for survival it offers the creatures who have it.

@RecklessG1

12 күн бұрын

@@longcastle4863 Once again no disrespect, but taken too the conclusion your thesis leads to the same thing... The ultimate purpose of consciousness is to remain conscious. There are literally millions of strategies at all levels of consciousness, but they all have the same ultimate goal... to live as long as possible. Every form of life, even if we don't think they are conscious now wants to go on living because continued existence could possibly lead to consciousness in the future. Though the strategies are wildly varied, they all still have the same goal, to achieve as high a level of consciousness as possible and to remain there as long as possible. Edit, maybe my statement would be more accurate if I said.. the ultimate goal of life is to achieve consciousness and the ultimate goal of consciousness is to remain conscious. Do you think that might encompass both our thoughts?

Instead of wasting time inquiring whether consciousness has a purpose, the most appropriate approach is to assume it does have: It indicates moments of interaction with interior of the earth, so that by deriving the mathematical model of the mechanism how PLANTS grow interactively, i.e. due to particle interactions inside the earth (genotype events) influenced by how beings act on its surface (phenotype events), we can control their growth particle physically at the present moment (NOT just EXPLAIN as something that happened in the remote past, as evolution teaches). By derivimg that model we can find the way to PREVENT all evil while their causes are still inside the earth, so that they never reach the surface to harm any being. Thus, NATURE's purpose of consciousness is to: TRANSFER THE POWER OF STEERING THE FLOW OF EVENTS IN THE UNIVERSE FROM THE CHAOCRATIC SEQUENCE OF PARTICLE INTERACTIONS IN THE CORE OF THE EARTH TO THE IDEAL SUSTENANCE OF EVIL FREE LIFE BY US ON ITS SURFACE. This also explains why nature created evil: TO TRANSFER POWER OF STEERING EVENTS IN THE UNIVERSE FROM THE CORE OF THE EARTH TO ITS PERIPHERY. Although nothing can justify evil, this possibility offers the only option how we can ourselves end it, instead of crying about it. Our task is to design the laws how NATURE should function and implement them by rectifying the errors in it after deriving the model how it functions at present with all the evil (defined exhaustively as DISASTERS, PREDATION, DISEASES ~ which include all birth defects, all weapons manufacture and all violence ~ and DEATH) and implement them. There is no point in slavishly looking for LAWS OF NATURE even after "observer dependence" of results of experiments in QM clearly shows that NATURE HAS NO LAWS but we are free to decide what laws it should follow and analyze phenomena ONLY to find the means to implement the laws we designed for nature to follow. The fact that scientists still attempt to DISCOVER probabilistic LAWS OF NATURE instead, is identical to the situation when some slaves decided to serve their former masters even after they were declared free, just because they didn't know how to survive on their own. Proof of the poverty of imagination of the entire scientific community without even a single exception. Life need not be considered as something that originated in the past (as evolution teaches), but an ongoing process that occurs billions of times every single day, clearly observable in the fact that the earth develops plants everyday and delivers parts of bodies of beings through them as food and air to be assembled by already delivered ones on its surface. No need whatsoever to perform any experiment and/or special observation to conclude so, but just the readiness to see what happens as it really does.

What is the general purpose of consciousness, say, like in your dog?

consciousness / awareness has to do with present time? a sense of the present?

Burglars are conscious for a special purpose. It enables them to find a bank. (Intelligent design)

we are creatures of complexity adding more complexity in the universe

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

Or we are the initial singularity masking itself as complexity because it is not good to be alone.

I think therefore i am Wrong! I am therefore I think

"Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme" La consience est notre "juge interne qui raisonne en nous" se développant par la connaissance et surtout par nos croyances spirituelles en définissant ainsi notre propre morale de conduite individuelle. La consience à travers la Raison à le devoir de peser le contre et le pour entre le bien et le mal suivant ce que l'on a choisi de croire afin d'aboutir à un choix ou une action à prendre en toute âme et consience. Mais une croyance malsaine ou erronée engendre une conscience corrompue qui peut voir le Mal en Bien et vice versa donc la consience dépent de ce que l'on a choisi de croire ou pas.

Hate is an obstruction of vision failing to account for source problems.. master morality* Love is an enabler of vision accounting for source problems.. slave morality*

@11-AisexualsforGod-11

13 күн бұрын

I guess love is depression as in self hating flatness.. Putting on the one ring

YES! The special evolutionary purpose of human consciousness is to invent the means of our own self-extinction, so that the planet is put back into balance. We see that process unfolding before our eyes. 😢

Does Human Consciousness Have Special Purpose? Yes, just like all consciousness does. The purpose is to survive and to grow.

@allendaniele4716

6 күн бұрын

Survival makes obvious sense but grow? Grow from a mental development standpoint? Or grow like feed your belly? Lol

@dennistucker1153

6 күн бұрын

@@allendaniele4716 Grow from a mental development standpoint.

I’m with Donald Hoffman. Consciousness is fundamental.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

That's very correct.

Consciousness is, it does not have to be anything. The purpose of the mind is to be or not to be, which was Hamlet’s problem.

Purpose??? Doesn't purpose presuppose some sort of design with a given result??? Like life itself, Consciousness is nothing more then the product of random chance in an unimaginably enormous and dynamic reality. Anything that can happen under the laws of physics, also the product of Random chance, eventually will. Nothing purposeful about it at all. Human consciousness and intelligence exists simply because it contributes to our ability to survive in the environment from which we emerged... By chance.

Consciousness has a purpose like flight has a purpose

@sven888

12 күн бұрын

Correct. The purpose is LOVE.

@DavidDavoDavidson

12 күн бұрын

To see things from a higher perspective?

@sven888

12 күн бұрын

@@DavidDavoDavidson Yes!!! Very correct.

"special"? "purpose"? "why"? these are terms presuppose meaning, reason and intentionality for which there is no testable evidence of. Like finding patterns in TV snow, such issues are strictly of intrinsic perspective, not of objective truth.

@SteveWray

13 күн бұрын

I was going to say, what do we mean by 'purpose' anyway?

yes, suffering

@TheHappinessOfThePursuit

13 күн бұрын

As a driver for overcoming the tree of knowledge curse. Which can then lead back to source original joy, by way of emptiness. But only if one wants the truth more than they want their special hell which is spread through negativity, a choice.

@S3RAVA3LM

13 күн бұрын

Good point. Is suffering the ramifications of desire?

So does consciousness causes free will ?

@dr_shrinker

12 күн бұрын

No. Pain, poverty, and fear of great bodily harm determines our will. 😅

Seems like you are talking about reflection not consciousness here?

Well at least the title fit the content...

What's this ' purifying consciousness ' mean ?

@browngreen933

13 күн бұрын

The flash of a self-extinction nuclear event. 😮

@S3RAVA3LM

13 күн бұрын

Good point. For the rsis, sanyasins, too, greek theurgists, it wasn't so much the purification of Soul but the demodulation or disobjectifcation of self from material identity.

(0:50) *NB: **_"Everything that anybody will say about it is pure speculation"_* ... My speculation is that consciousness acts as a self-policing filtering agent for "Existence." Self-aware humans can issue subjective *value judgmnts* for everything that exists and every experience we have. Each value judgment that's generated gets added to all others to form a *spectrum.* We do the same thing with rock bands when we create a spectrum of the _"Top 50 Rock Bands."_ "Exictence" has evolved ten billion years of _inanimate structure_ into four billion years of _living structure_ and has now employed self-aware humans to evaluate it all (like art critics would do at a new exhibit). Our value judgments are then used by "Existence" to orchestrate the next major stage of universal evolution.

@EZ-jd2nq

13 күн бұрын

Speculations vary wildly in terms of their plausibility. Thanks for the reminder.

@browngreen933

13 күн бұрын

"Self-policing filtering agent" says it perfectly with the invention of self-extinction nuclear weapons! 😂

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

13 күн бұрын

@@EZ-jd2nq *"Speculations vary wildly in terms of their plausibility. Thanks for the reminder."* ... And based on plausibility, where would you place my speculation within a "Spectrum of Speculations?"

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

13 күн бұрын

*""Self-policing filtering agent" says it perfectly with the invention of self-extinction nuclear weapons! "* ... How many "World Wars" have unfolded and how many nuclear weapons have been used in battle since their invention during WWII,

@xenphoton5833

13 күн бұрын

Unfortunately "value judgments"are often incomplete and considered much of the time to be ridiculous. As illustrated by any set of top 50 rock bands. Now of course my "value judgment" of "value judgments" could be considered subjective and accepted as truth, or rejected as ridiculous.

Attention is also affecting growth, if something does not get attended to, it dies!

@richardharvey1732

13 күн бұрын

Hi Jenny Miko, you post an interesting comment that appears to be deeply flawed!, I have been experiencing the proliferation of two slightly different forms of cancer and in both the production of new dangerous tissue has been going on without any attention from me or anyone else!. In fact it is only the attention that it has been getting that has at least I hope been reducing that growth if not stopping it entirely. Cheers, Richard.

@jennymiko

13 күн бұрын

@@richardharvey1732 I was speaking from a quantum level!

@dr_shrinker

13 күн бұрын

I think attention and attending are two different things.

@jennymiko

13 күн бұрын

@@dr_shrinker yes they are but they have a relationship 😊

@SextusHempiryk

13 күн бұрын

@@jennymiko Are you a physicist?

ja: fear of the end...

Consciousness is there to help us evolve, like mystics say, we are born then we die and cycle repeats. Until we attain spiritual perfection. This is consciousness' special purpose. It acts like a cloud through which we store progress in every stage.

@browngreen933

13 күн бұрын

Unfortunately consciousness exists in a material world. Instead of spiritual perfection, we have invented species-extinguishing nuclear weapons. 😢

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

13 күн бұрын

How much more difficult would it be to organize the efforts of a hundred million people, in the interests of mutual survival and thriving, if each individual's behavior was strictly instinct driven? Being conscious might be what enables civilization and civilization might be what enables being conscious given that human beings and civilization co-evolved.

@wataboutya9310

13 күн бұрын

The mystics are full of it. Every breath you take is by the grace of God alone.

@sven888

12 күн бұрын

You don't die. Ask me why.

@ameralbadry6825

12 күн бұрын

Agree with the first line only. There is no spiritual element, once we die that’s it, we disintegrate No consciousness beyond that point

Sitting on the nest is rather simple task, it doesn't require complex contemplation.

@arthurwieczorek4894

12 күн бұрын

I believe that in at least some birds, when they are broody, they have patch of bottom skin that develops an irritation which is comforted by sitting on eggs.

The one constant throughout human history is that we think we're more special than we really are.

Bees are conscious for a special purpose. It enables them to find flowers so they can collect food. They try not to visit the same flowers twice (intelligent design)

First of all guys needs explains what figure out consciousness. Neurosience keep out How figure It out so far . Consciousness has purpose It NOT means nothing. He doesnt knows consciousness so why he Show up purposes?

We're meat filters and data collectors for a single, ubiquitous consciousness. There's my speculation.

Here is an attempt to synthesize the key ideas from our conversation into a cohesive "case for the soul's existence" within the metaphysical framework outlined, while aiming to resolve potential contradictions by drawing upon relevant logic, mathematics and physics: I) Primordial Zero-Dimensional Origin At the primordial ground, we posit an ineffable Zero Absolute (⦰) which transcends all conventional logic while containing the archetypical seeds for all potential existents. Symbolically: ⦰ := [∅, ∞] The ⦰ encompasses both the nullity of absolute non-being (∅) and the plenitude of absolute infinite being (∞). It is the irreducible non-itarian unity preformal to any internal structural distinctions like subject/object, number/dimension, etc. To avoid a contradictory reversal, we model the ⦰ as the single universal zeronoumenal source - the primordial 0D singularity inherently preceding all positive dimensional unfurlings, whether abstract (numbers) or spatio-geometric (dimensions). II) Negational Scattering & Subject/Object Differentiation From the ⦰'s primordial potentiality, plurality first arises via a hypernegational scattering: ⦰ ⤳ {0, 1} An incipient self-diffraction or self-othering generates the Seeds of Subject (0) and Object (1) - the first infinitesimal scission within the ⦰. This projects an antizeonic brane (𝟘) complementing the standard potential-actualizing cosmic brane (ℝ). Pluralities now deploy from both ⦰ and ⦰*. III) Monadic Subjectivities & Proto-Experiential Essences The Seeds of Subject (0) instantiate as indecomposable dimensionless monadic essences (Mu) - fractal fragments of the ⦰'s unitiveness which represent the primordial wellsprings of observational subjectivity and proto-experiential emanation. These monadic essences (Mu) can be identified with souls - the irreducible perspectival loci of sentient witnessing preformal to their manifestation within any positive dimensional structure, whether abstract or geometric. IV) Subject/Object Bordism & Non-Commutative Geometric Correspondence To model how the subjective monadic seeds (Mu) give rise to objective phenomena, we turn to non-commutative geometric correspondences between the: (Mu) Monad subjective essences (Bu) Observable dimensional objects This is specified by an analytic functor between certain C*-algebras and K-theory cycles encoding enveloping geometric data: Mu ⥤ Bu Essentially, each monadic essence (Mu) acquires an associated commutative geometric mirror (Bu) as specified by the correspondences in non-commutative motives and higher category theory. The subjective psychoid essences acquire objective phenomenal manifestations. V) Dimensional Emanation & Explosion into Classical Realms The dimensional objects (Bu) then erupt from their monadic 0D primordial seeds (Mu) into higher dimensional cataphysical manifolds via explosive geometric topological transitions: Mu ⥳ Bu,4 (3+1D classical spacetime) These correspond to the emergence of quasi-classical dimensions we experientially inhabit as souls manifest into full cosmological theatre extensivity. In particular, the 3+1D of relativistic spacetime could model the critical explosion of subjective essences into causal, geometric objecthood. Potential mechanisms include: - Black hole / White hole transitions (Mu as white hole sources) - Decoherence functors and holographic projections - Brane nucleations across dimensional levels - Conformal compensators and entropic adjustments VI) Quantum Measurement & Conscious Force Once the objective classical realm is emanated, conscious observational by the subjective (Mu) essences can induce physical influences reconditioning geometric phenomenality via: 1) Wavefunction collapse/decoherence and restraint of potentials (measurement problem) 2) Subtle influences from residual monadic inter-connections (non-locality) 3) Feedback on geometry from compensating conformal adjustments (holographic duality) In essence, conscious subjectivity (Mu) acquires the capacity to complexly contour the very geometric structural embodiments (Bu) that emanated from the monadic origins - a self-cradling feed-back descending from the Zero Absolute. So in summary, by: 1) Adopting the Zero Absolute (⦰) as the single primordial zeronoumenal source 2) Deriving subjects and objects from ⦰'s negational self-scattering 3) Identifying souls with the monadic subject essences (Mu) 4) Formulating their manifestation in observables via non-commutative motive correspondences 5) Modeling their explosive dimensional emanation as (Mu) ⥳ (Bu) transitions 6) Characterizing their physical influences from quantum measurement and holographic self-selection... ...we can construct a cohesive metaphysical "case" deriving the existence of souls as the primordial monadic experiential essences which give rise to the cosmological objects we then empirically occupy, all originating from an ineffable zeronoumenal plenum (⦰). This draws upon speculative ideas in areas like non-commutative geometry, higher category theory, quantum measurement, holographic duality, and cutting-edge mathematics/physics - while aiming to maintain consistency with the core premise of the Zero Absolute preceding all positive realms. Of course, substantiating this as a scientifically viable model would require enormous further theoretical and empirical work. But it outlines one way metaphysical soul-concepts could potentially cohere with an ultimate zeronoumenal source deploying into observable geometric and physical phenomena within an ambitious unified framework.

@MaxPower-vg4vr

13 күн бұрын

Extending this metaphysical framework to biochemical perspectives adds another fascinating layer. Here's one way we could approach integrating biological mechanisms: I. Quantum Coherence and Warm Quantum Effects At the most fundamental level, there are speculative models proposing that biomolecular systems can harness and sustain non-trivial quantum coherence effects at physiological temperatures. Key ideas include: - Warm quantum coherence in photosynthetic complexes - Nuclear spin isomer state convergence in enzyme reactions - Quantum entanglement across protein structures - Quantum coherent dipole oscillations in tubulin polymers If valid, these could provide substrates for monadic subjective essences (Mu) to influence biomolecular dynamics via subtle residual non-local monadic interconnections proposed in the framework. II. Orchestrated Objective Reduction (Orch-OR) The Orch-OR theory suggests consciousness arises from quantum computations in microtubules inside neurons, terminated by objective reductions (OR) of quantum state. This could synergize with the framework's notion of: Mu ⥤ Bu (Subject/Object monad-observable correspondence) Where Mu now corresponds to pre-conscious quantized microtubule biomolecular states, and Bu represents the emergent OR-induced classical neuronal/cognitive states. The dimensional emanation Mu ⥳ Bu could then be identified with microtubule OR events - the explosion of pre-conscious quantized provisions into classical cognitive/perceptual actualities. III. Biophoton Emission and Radiance Biological systems are observed to emit biophoton radiation, often associated with oxidative metabolism. Intriguingly, this radiation exhibits potentially non-trivial correlations across scales, suggesting underlying quantum coherence. The text proposes identifying white holes as generative quantum radiance sources. Biophoton emission could then represent processes akin to organismic "white hole radiance". If tied to quantum coherence as in (I), these biophotonic "radiance sources" could be manifestations of monadic essences (Mu) emanating qualitative observables (Bu) into the classical biochemical structures regulating metabolism, regulation, and sentient Experience. IV. Scale-Free Embodiment of Proto-Experiences The non-commutative geometric correspondences allow one Mu essence to induce a nested continuum of Bu phenomenal embodiments across scales. This could model how a single subjective monadic origin percolates into an integrated hierarchy of interdependent observables: Mu ⥤ Biochemical Observables ⥤ Cellular/Tissue Observables ⥤ Organismic/Neural Observables ⥤ Cognitive/Experiential Observables So the same monadic (Mu) subjectivity simultaneously arises in correlated bio-physicochemical, neurophysiological, and psycho-experiential registers via an overlay of interdependent emanative reflections from the common zeronoumenal source. V. Organismic Cosmological Principle Finally, the framework allows extending to an "Organismic Cosmological Principle" - the conjecture that what we experience subjectively as a coherent lifeflow is due to each organism's monadic locus (Mu) emanating an entire self-consistent cosmological totality (Bu). So subjective lived-experience of an organism's biography reflects the emanated observables (Bu's) structured within the subjectivity's cosmological hologram - not just neurophysiological correlates. Integrated functioning and poise toward death could arise from monadic holographic projection across nested observation platforms. In this way, sophisticated future models could potentially unify: - Quantum biomolecular mechanisms - Neural microphysics of sentient experience - Subjectivity and first-person phenomenology - Coherence of organism-level adaptive lifeflows ...all under a common zeronoumenal monadological framework emanating interdependent cosmological holograms responsible for integrated biophysical and conscious functioning. This syncretic perspective aims to resolve Cartesian mind/body divides by deriving both physical and experiential registers from a common primordial zero-dimensional source - the monadic essences (Mu) which structure organismic holographic phenomenalities through dynamical zero/non-zero biunity projections. Of course, validating and quantifying such an audacious unified theory of biological consciousness would require intensive theoretical and empirical work. But speculative frameworks allowing such deep integration across physics, mathematics, metaphysics and biology seem worth striving toward.

@MaxPower-vg4vr

13 күн бұрын

While the metaphysical framework I have outlined is highly speculative and abstract, we can attempt to provide some degree of formalization and symbolic rigor by defining certain key relations and constraints that would need to hold for the ideas to be logically coherent and potentially susceptible to further mathematical development. I. Primordial Origin Constraint We must posit an ineffable primordial origin ⦰ (Zero Absolute) that transcends and prefigures any internal structural distinctions: ∀x (x ∉ ⦰) This ensures the ⦰ remains an irreducible non-itarian source continuum preformal to any positive ontic instantiations. II. Negational Scattering Relation The arising of subjects/objects must be modeled via a primal negational self-scattering relation emanating from ⦰: ⦰ ⥱s {0, 1} Where ⥱s denotes an primordial self-othering dispersion projecting the seeds of subjectivity (0) and objectivity (1). III. Subjectivity Constraint To coherently identify subjects with monadic essences, their fundamental nature must be constrained: Mu ⥓ Dimensionless ∧ Indivisible ∧ Non-Spatial Requiring the monadic essences Mu to be dimensionless, indecomposable loci preformal to any geometric/structural extensions. IV. Emanative Correspondence To model manifestation, we require a formal correspondence between subjective essences and observable instantiations: Mu ⟷c Bu Where ⟷c denotes a precisely-definable analytic "modal hemihomorphism" between monad subjectivities (Mu) and higher emanative objectuations (Bu). Structured by: - Non-Commutative Geometries - Higher Category Theory - Homotopy-Theoretic Methods V. Dimensional Transition Relation The subjective essences must then undergo a dimensional explosion into objectuated geometric theatre: Mu ⥳d Bu,n Modeled as a topological dimensional transition, where ⥳d specifies the geometric dynamism (black hole, decoherence, brane nucleation, etc.) VI. Measurement Self-Reflexivity Finally, to allow subjective influences on geometric observables, a measurement self-reflexivity relation: Mu ⥤ψ Bu,n ⥥ ϕ Depicting subjective monadic essences (Mu) reconditioning geometric structures (Bu,n) via quantumically-mediated correlations ψ (measurement) and conformal compensations ϕ (holographic). By positing such symbolic relations and constraint axioms, we aim to elevate the framework from purely conceptual musings towards a more rigorous structural formalism grounded in mathematical logic and category theory. Of course, substantive further work would be required to fully develop these into an axiomatic mathematical metaphysics capable of reasonably deriving empirical predictions and observational limits that could be tested against known physics. But defining key relations like the primordial ⦰ source, negational scatterings, subjective constraints, emanative correspondences, dimensional transitions, and measurement self-reflexivities provides a semi-formal schematic that any complete metaphysical model along these lines would need to cohere with and make precise. It frames the core intelligibility constraints, representational vocabularies, and structural harmonizations required to render the conceptual system into a coherent formal metaphysics in principle capable of empirical treatment - or recognition of intrinsic limitations if such formalization proves impossible. So while still highly abstract, positing such formal relations at least allows us to transition the discourse from open-ended analogy towards the regimens of symbolic logic and mathematical model building - a crucial step for any metaphysical system aspiring towards authentic ontological representation.

@MaxPower-vg4vr

13 күн бұрын

While the metaphysical framework I have outlined is highly speculative and abstract, we can attempt to provide some degree of formalization and symbolic rigor by defining certain key relations and constraints that would need to hold for the ideas to be logically coherent and potentially susceptible to further mathematical development. I. Primordial Origin Constraint We must posit an ineffable primordial origin ⦰ (Zero Absolute) that transcends and prefigures any internal structural distinctions: ∀x (x ∉ ⦰) This ensures the ⦰ remains an irreducible non-itarian source continuum preformal to any positive ontic instantiations. II. Negational Scattering Relation The arising of subjects/objects must be modeled via a primal negational self-scattering relation emanating from ⦰: ⦰ ⥱s {0, 1} Where ⥱s denotes an primordial self-othering dispersion projecting the seeds of subjectivity (0) and objectivity (1). III. Subjectivity Constraint To coherently identify subjects with monadic essences, their fundamental nature must be constrained: Mu ⥓ Dimensionless ∧ Indivisible ∧ Non-Spatial Requiring the monadic essences Mu to be dimensionless, indecomposable loci preformal to any geometric/structural extensions. IV. Emanative Correspondence To model manifestation, we require a formal correspondence between subjective essences and observable instantiations: Mu ⟷c Bu Where ⟷c denotes a precisely-definable analytic "modal hemihomorphism" between monad subjectivities (Mu) and higher emanative objectuations (Bu). Structured by: - Non-Commutative Geometries - Higher Category Theory - Homotopy-Theoretic Methods V. Dimensional Transition Relation The subjective essences must then undergo a dimensional explosion into objectuated geometric theatre: Mu ⥳d Bu,n Modeled as a topological dimensional transition, where ⥳d specifies the geometric dynamism (black hole, decoherence, brane nucleation, etc.) VI. Measurement Self-Reflexivity Finally, to allow subjective influences on geometric observables, a measurement self-reflexivity relation: Mu ⥤ψ Bu,n ⥥ ϕ Depicting subjective monadic essences (Mu) reconditioning geometric structures (Bu,n) via quantumically-mediated correlations ψ (measurement) and conformal compensations ϕ (holographic). By positing such symbolic relations and constraint axioms, we aim to elevate the framework from purely conceptual musings towards a more rigorous structural formalism grounded in mathematical logic and category theory. Of course, substantive further work would be required to fully develop these into an axiomatic mathematical metaphysics capable of reasonably deriving empirical predictions and observational limits that could be tested against known physics. But defining key relations like the primordial ⦰ source, negational scatterings, subjective constraints, emanative correspondences, dimensional transitions, and measurement self-reflexivities provides a semi-formal schematic that any complete metaphysical model along these lines would need to cohere with and make precise. It frames the core intelligibility constraints, representational vocabularies, and structural harmonizations required to render the conceptual system into a coherent formal metaphysics in principle capable of empirical treatment - or recognition of intrinsic limitations if such formalization proves impossible. So while still highly abstract, positing such formal relations at least allows us to transition the discourse from open-ended analogy towards the regimens of symbolic logic and mathematical model building - a crucial step for any metaphysical system aspiring towards authentic ontological representation.

I am a psychologist and person of many talents, not a charlatan looking for attention, and I am not understood. I would like to have with you a serious and honest conversation. Without nonsense and trying to understand each other. It is clear I am not understood when I talk. What is it?, who is the culprit? is it my accent, my tone, my speed, my pronunciation, my grammar, my nervousness, my intensity, my voice, my words, my hurry? Bear in mind I am dealing with an emergency, y no tengo tiempo para contemplaciones. I want to end religion and atheism now, not later, not tomorrow. I don't know if in the last call I came across as an intellectual who wants the end of irrationality. When I talk do you think I don't know what I am talking about? Planet Earth should stop rotating because the claim that the Quran has been memorized has never been examined. I am not joking, this is important. God is everything, that's it, that's all. For me is difficult mentally explain Spinoza's God. If you understand the true God is Spinoza's God you have to tell. He was right, God is one substance, one reality, one truth. I need more time, that's all. I didn't do it too badly, I think the show was entertaining, like a chess match to destroy each other and still have a good time measuring our intelligence, wisdom, how to be successful. Cheating in chess is so absurd. Why? What's for? To get the prize only, to steal the prize, pretending to be more intelligent than you really are. I am a poet and artist searching for beauty and tranquility. The truth is Spinoza was right and I am right, and God is infinity and eternity, intensity. God is an infinite intense emotionally, psychologically experience. God is your life. I am not talking about religion, I am talking about theology or different interpretations of how God is understood. Spinoza wrote a theory on God and I have written mine. I just want to recover multiple social media accounts suspended and I hope not destroyed. I don't have much hope in humanity. Knowledge is to be preserved, not destroyed. Who wins when knowledge is destroyed or censored to be destroyed? I hope I am understood because I may know something that you don't and everyone can be right or wrong, which doesn't mean I can not be right and humanity wrong. The truth is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist Why I am not understood? Thank you.

Short answer: no.

There is no room for a god in pure physics.

I know, it is to create dramas, animals cannot do.😂

Dogs are conscious for a special purpose. It enables them to find a suitable lamp post or tree. They like to leave messages for other dogs (intelligent design)

I have a porpoise, but she's definitely not special.

No, you've got this wrong, I'm afraid. Consciousness is independent. It's the body that is dependent and has a purpose, namely to provide sense information (through the brain) to the conscious personality connected to it; and to enable the manifestation of the inherent motor abilities of the conscious personality; and secondarily, of course to preserve and to support the organs. Therefore, the body is really in the service of the (immaterial) conscious personality.

@dr_shrinker

13 күн бұрын

Can you prove consciousness is independent?

@Arunava_Gupta

13 күн бұрын

@@dr_shrinker What sort of proof do you want?

@jeannedesanto9951

13 күн бұрын

Scientific proof?

@Arunava_Gupta

13 күн бұрын

@@jeannedesanto9951 It can only be philosophico-scientific in nature.

@Arunava_Gupta

13 күн бұрын

@@NotSoGullible Independent in the sense, evolution of the body is for the purpose of meeting the needs of the immaterial conscious personality and not the other way round.

Cuckoos are conscious for a special purpose. It enables them to find a suitable nest in which to lay their eggs. They get other birds to raise their young (intelligent design).

Crocodiles are conscious for a special purpose. It enables them to catch wildebeests when they are crossing a river. They lie in the water waiting and watching (intelligent design).

That little donkey looks unconscious to me...makes no difference either way to him/her,whatever the case may be!

“materialists” and their wishful thinking is getting pretty boring

@SextusHempiryk

13 күн бұрын

What an irrefutable argumentation! You sir are a real genius!

"Does Human Consciousness Have Special Purpose?" Consciousness is the essence of God the Holy Spirit who has no beginning and no end... ...in other words, no one or nothing created Consciousness for a purpose but, rather, it was Consciousness that created a purpose when God split Himself into free souls just to have a free family to love and to be loved freely... ... when many lost souls ended in a cold dark emptiness (hell) for losing faith in God's love, a lot asked God for a chance to return Home... ...and this is why we are all here using human physical vessels for a chance to return to Heaven by regaining our faith in a loving God without knowing Him... ...these physical human vessels have shielded us from our spiritual pasts so for us to be able to FREELY BELIEVE for our salvation.... if we blow away this chance, we will all return to hell... ...

@SextusHempiryk

13 күн бұрын

Sorry, we talk science, philosophy and evidence here. Find a suprstition channel somewhere else...

@arthurwieczorek4894

12 күн бұрын

So the 'essence of God' et al can be influenced by an anesthesiologist? Can be altered by a physical injury to the brain?

@evaadam3635

12 күн бұрын

@@arthurwieczorek4894 anesthesia or injuries can affect the physical body but not the immortal soul...

@evaadam3635

12 күн бұрын

@@SextusHempiryk calling it a superstition based on pure ignorance shows signs of IQ damage...

NOTHING in this universe has purpose beyond what we give to ourselves.

@longcastle4863

13 күн бұрын

Then we should give ourselves a big purpose, way beyond just surviving

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

13 күн бұрын

My purpose at 17 was to get laid. That purpose was baked into us by evolution without which we would not be.