I hope my son watches this as he is at university and I believe some of his fellow students and maybe even some teachers may be hardcore atheists. His younger brother passed from this world whilst still at high school after losing a battle with leukaemia. Now I believe Harry has an immortal, perfect body! Blessings, love and peace to all beings.

@paulrichards6894

Жыл бұрын

sad for your loss but realistically death is the end.....sadly

If something breaks your computer your software won't work. Doesn't mean the software is bad now does it!

@winnumber101

2 жыл бұрын

wow nice analogy

@defenestratedalien1448

Жыл бұрын

But the pc will not have a trustworthy record of the software, prior to when it was repaired and the software could run on it

There are documented accounts of blind from birth persons who have had near death experiences, being able to relate the experience as if they had seen the whole event, even in colour.

@AceofDlamonds

2 жыл бұрын

the only thing that proves is that they have functioning brains that have evolved to accomodate vision.

@julianmann6172

2 жыл бұрын

@@AceofDlamonds You are wrong. This has nothing to do with the physical.

@AceofDlamonds

2 жыл бұрын

@@julianmann6172 How??? If it doesn't have a physical substrate, what other possibility is there??

@julianmann6172

2 жыл бұрын

@@AceofDlamonds A person blind from birth has no conception of what it means to see. There have been cases where eyesight has been restored to some extent by an operation. it is worth listening to what the patient has to say regarding their experience. There is much more to the experience than purely physical. Underlying this is the recognition that consciousness is non physical. For instance there are many documented cases, particularly among medical professionals, where it continues even beyond brain death, for example in serious road accidents where the victim continues to see what is going on around him, despite having no life signs or brain activity. These are known as near death experiences. There are also cases involving past lives, where children can recall past events in their previous lives, where according to our world view, this should be impossible.

@AceofDlamonds

2 жыл бұрын

@@julianmann6172 Timeout for a second. Can you provide me a link to an actual study or good artlcle detailing this anecdote? It's one thing to find stories like this from niche websites dedicated to that kind of "spooky" stuff, it's another completely to publish the story in an actual scientific journal.

There are NDE of blind people who "saw" things during NDE. And blind people can remember their lives, since they use other senses.

@ademjrad9994

Жыл бұрын

Link?

@chayblay

8 күн бұрын

@@ademjrad9994 bump

this guy perfectly explains my philosophy

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

oh, an dead-brained, this may be accurate, mostly fabled imaginary foolishness, sure, dummy

@bramrawlings3051

2 жыл бұрын

@@allentomas3417 wow name-calling! That’s not serious thinking.

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on death

This is the 4th person I've seen Dr. Kuhn interview about the afterlife....and each time he seems very skeptical about people's experiences. Interesting that we accept people's eye-witness testimony & belief about experiences in the familiar realm....but when people insist they've experienced something in a different realm, we resist doggedly...instead of saying, "Really?? What was it like??"

Robert should talk to the famous cardiologist Pim Von Lommel who used to be a materialist before he did extensive research on the NDE and he has now concluded that consciousness is not dependent on brain function and that it is ‘non-local’, meaning that it transcends time and space. Van Lommel published his research in the Lancet, which is one of the world’s most important medical journals.

@AceofDlamonds

2 жыл бұрын

Okay time out. Firstly, the appropriate authorities to discuss this are neuroscientists.Secondly, the idea that memories don't reside in the brain is flat out insane in this day and age. Where is Professor Moreland getting this?

@bayreuth79

2 жыл бұрын

@@AceofDlamonds You do realise, don't you, that some of the leading neuroscientists and philosophers are panpsychists now? You are assuming that the brain produces consciousness but we don't know that. In fact, we have very good reasons to suppose that that's wrong.

@AceofDlamonds

2 жыл бұрын

@@bayreuth79 Panpsychists? The hell? Leading neuroscientists? Name em. Don't just go to your favorite safe space for pseudoscience and then claim they are being totally objective with the evidence.

@bayreuth79

2 жыл бұрын

@@AceofDlamonds You are not exactly at the cutting edge of modern intellectual developments, are you? Professor David Chalmers, who coined the term "the hard problem of consciousness", is a panpsychist. Other notable panpsychists are neuroscientists Tononi and Koch (two of the leading figures in their field). And then Thomas Nagel, Galen Strawson, Donald Hoffman, David Bohm (who worked with Einstein) and many, many others. You haven't even begun to grapple with consciousness. Do some bloody research instead of coming on here and spouting your profound ignorance as though it were fact.

@AceofDlamonds

2 жыл бұрын

@@bayreuth79 "Modern intellectual developments"? I'm interested in SCIENCE, not vague notions and speculation. Neuroscience in the last 100 years has slowly found the brain to be the source of our consciousness. How exactly the brain is arranged to cause it is unknown, but we at least know where it arises. Biological beings like us developed over millions of years. If there is some transcendent material above the nervous system, when would it have entered the human species? Look at the thousands of prehistoric human remains.

That other guy was like: “ NO, that can’t be it” lol

Robert got him here on multiple points and even got him to change his mind in the end. Doesn't do much for the life after death argument though which is a shame as I would love my consciousness to continue to some higher plane but I really doubt it will.

@smithgov

Жыл бұрын

Good luck with living your life in the paradigm.

@roberthutchins4297

Жыл бұрын

I also doubt it. I am curious as to whether people who believe in the existence of God. and an after life, think that this is only for human animals, but not for other animals. Only mammals. What about ants and worms and skunks and chickens. The video demonstrates a common problem with this topic, A lot of assertions, with absolutely no evidence.

I'm compiling a list of "one-word oxymorons". "Rationalization" is one. (Hint: Rationalization is inherently irrational.) "Afterlife" is another. If anyone has any additional suggestions, please post them in a Reply. Thx!

JP's last comment was absolutely right. We are here for a reason; ignoring the question of the afterlife is foolish. There is the hope that we can simply enjoy the pleasures of life without consequence if we just wear blinders. Avoiding the question may not be a defense. Pascal's wager explains it best.

If my mind is the driver strapped into the car, how is it that the car can be damaged in such a way as to prevent me even wanting to go somewhere or remember the way? What independence does the driver have and what are they good for if their will/ memory/intent is not independent of the car's physical condition? And yet when the car is completely destroyed, rather than just the serious impact that physical damage can have on the mind prior to death, JP Moreland is suggesting we only then recover all those vulnerable faculties? Faculties that the "soul" can apparently lose prior to the complete breakdown of the vehicle are suddenly regained! I think the analogy needs a lot of work.

Memory can absolutely be spatially located. Which is not that relevant, since you can have multiple levels of it. In computer terms, you can have ram and disk memory, and both have their own usefulness. You could imagine "soul memory" being an integral part of existence. But what he said about spatial location seems convoluted and contradicted by the science we already know.

This conversation was way to elevated for the average scientist to follow.

is he interviewing Bill Murray's brother?

@Gatorbeaux

4 жыл бұрын

Jim Habash Brian Doyle!!! Haha. No JP Moreland is a too notch philosopher - but he does favor BDM

@JimHabash

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gatorbeaux I was just kidding great interview. Hah funny huh !

@owenohara623

4 жыл бұрын

?MASH GromPsychiatrist The Is This Is IsI

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

@@owenohara623 oh, stupid people, sure

The sound in the radio 📻 argument is the same. The sound does not come from the radio it’s simply a vehicle for the sound to be heard.

I agree with J.P. We should be doing everything we can to determine if there is an afterlife. Anyone who makes fun of this is ignorant and a low life. Not trying to insult but to be civilized we need to understand our existence.

@zaxbitterzen2178

2 жыл бұрын

Wow come out swinging much? lol. People who make fun of it or undermine are those who know for a fact up to this point in history that it doesn't exist in any form under any evidence.

@DavidVonR

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps it would be better not to know? If we discovered that there is an afterlife, then a lot of people would commit suicide to get there. If we discover there isn't one, then many people would become despairing and fall into depression.

@user-vv9np5iq7n

11 ай бұрын

I’m 60 years old and one consistent trait I have seen since I was a child is that those who ridicule God, or the belief in an afterlife are the same ones who totally approve of whatever degeneracy that plagues society at that current time. Today they would be the people who say that men get pregnant too and that children should dance as drag queens and be mutilated with transgender surgery. They’re the subhuman bottom feeding scum of the earth.

I think our brains are actually receivers accessing a cosmic consciousness like a memory warehouse. Our experiences are fed into it and we can draw on it like a sort of library. This is perhaps why an idea or inspiration can simply pop into our consciousness. Writers and inventors often claim that an idea came to them that way.

@AceofDlamonds

2 жыл бұрын

But this is simply fallacious and there's zero evidence for it. Memories reside in the material brain.

It’s odd how people in the comments are reacting to this video like it’s some sort of debate. It’s obvious the two guys were just having some minor misunderstandings in communication.

To continue an analogy, if person was locked inside a dirty and broken car entire life, how can he understand anything in after life, where are no bodies and cars around? So he was locked inside some dark and weird container, but when he wake up in after world, even this material space would exist no more. This is great in a way, it would feel like life didn't mater at all, since he would hardly remember anything and learn fresh only whatever exist in after life. Except we are back at beginning than, what could after life contain if not sensations and images we were aware of when we were alive, boring life would lead only to even more boring eternity or it wouldn't be worth to be alive at all, and this is a terrible idea. Life is so unique and personal experience we can't imagine any substitute for it, not even if we can use unbounded imagination.

@AceofDlamonds

2 жыл бұрын

argument from analogy is weak, almost inherently weak if the purpose is to push a hypothesis based on an analogy. You haven't proved the analogous relationship. It's begging the question.

How do these NDE’s not contradict ‘to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord’?

Memories are stored in the heart brain.

TPS Reports?

@ericmoyer8538

4 жыл бұрын

still jumping to conclusions :)

If "God values persons" and loves us, then why give cancer to small children?

@barryjones9362

4 жыл бұрын

Christian "apologists" who have desensitized themselves to common sense definitions of "love" and "value" will answer that true ""love" does not provide any guarantees of protection (they have to say this because they are painfully aware that their god likewise promises no protections consistent with normative views of "love"), therefore, under their logic, you can genuinely "love" somebody while doing things similar to what God does, such as knowingly infecting a healthy person with cancer, or AIDS, or whatever. What apologists fail to note is that if "love" really is this expansive thing that doesn't necessarily protect from any evil thing, then "love" is a mere label that cannot be meaningfully distinguished from hate. If God hated children, that would explain his giving children cancer just as easily as his mysterious "love" for them would. Of course, Calvinists are quick to point out that God never intended for certain persons to be saved, so there is the immediate problem of Christians who disagree amongst themselves about how extensive God's love is for each sinner. As a skeptic, I point to this disagreement among people who use the same bible version, to rationally justify my view that the biblical data on the subject are fatally ambiguous, and I'm probably not creating any more danger for myself in completely ignoring the entire business, than I am in ignoring the contradictions between the different schools of quantum physics.

@roxammon5858

4 жыл бұрын

@@barryjones9362 Thanks Barry. I think also it is the Jehovas Witnesses that believe that the Devil is in charge of the world at the moment, and use this to explain suffering. They are all weak excuses to me. I do believe in a God but not necessarily how it is taught in the Bible.

@sgt7

3 жыл бұрын

Not all theists believe that God "gives" cancer to children. I would believe that God created a universe that has an element of spontaneity, creativity, and freedom. I believe we can witness this in the basic composition of matter at the subatomic level where electrons seem to be more spontaneous and utterly random. This extends right up to higher levels of consciousness which appear to have free will. This means atoms, and people, have a degree of freedom and this means things can work out very badly in the short term (cosmic time). Atoms and molecules will do whatever they do. People will make their own decisions. From God's perspective, the cosmos is in a state of becoming. The universe is moving from non-existence toward its full actualization. It is, therefore, necessary that the universe will lack much of the good God intended for it for a period of time. You can't get to 50mph before reaching 40mph. God is intimately present with everything and is moving the cosmos toward its final end through the slaughter bench of history, through hope and despair, through love and hate.

@feduntu

3 жыл бұрын

ah yes, the typical "g-d doesn't do what I want" argument to prove he doesn't exists

If you are going to claim that your individual identity is somehow preserved after your brain is dead, you have to offer something more to explain how that could work. What laws of physics are at play in storing those memories and that identity of yours that was created when you were alive? What he is saying seems preposterous to me. That even after your brain is ravaged by Alzheimer’s, somehow all that information is stored somewhere else along with your conscious mind and will be restored in full after death. That’s just magical thinking. The more we learn about our brains and consciousness itself the less these types of claims will hold up in my opinion. Thinking you could die of Alzheimer’s and then wake up in your optimal conscious state, retaining all the memories of your life is a claim I find hard to believe. I don’t claim to know what happens when you die, but I suspect it’s exactly like what it felt before you were born. In other words, no existence. We just rent these identities so that our genes have a chance to be passed on. They die with us and nature has no obligation to sustain our conscious minds after that. We served our function, period. And if you bestow on humans eternal consciousness, what about dolphins or other animals? Why would humans get special treatment by nature? What about Neolithic man? Or the pharaohs of Egypt? Is everyone who ever lived still residing somewhere as a conscious mind? Or is it just Christians who get that opportunity? I’ve never heard a strong argument from apologists like this guy and his arguments (if you can call them that) are unconvincing.

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

Do you feel better?

Very deep

"I believe in God therefore there has to be an afterlife" isn't an argument. Let's assume there IS a God. Doesn't mean there has to be an afterlife. Even if you believe in The Resurrection, well, that might only be a single specific instance. NDEs and mediumship are way more convincing.

I respect you admitted it

From my view look around u the energy conscienness needs and sleep 8 hours everyday. Its hard work and it takes year to develop i say 5 years before u really understand life and death. After death highly likely u need a frrsh body and energy from somewhere i dont the programmer put code in for two lifes

He still speculating on his belief, no one knows. It too large to truly understand... "So while you are here. Enjoy it & Just be... Decent"

There's a more direct line of empirical evidence for postmortem survival, and that's veridical/well-documented postmortem apparitions.

@barryjones9362

4 жыл бұрын

In other words, spiritually dead people should not only consider arguments for life beyond death, but should also be discerning enough to tell when spiritually alive conservative Christian philosophers are wasting time talking past each other. Nevermind that Steve's hyper-Calvinist god might have infallibly predestined those unbelievers to misunderstand the issues. Nevermind that Steve's hyper-Calvinist god might have told them, in his revealed will, to come to the truth, while intending by his secret will, that they never come to the truth. If you think God's telling you openly to refrain from adultery, while secretly willing that you commit adultery, is nothing short of sadistic psychotic lunacy, this would just convince Steve of the amazing accuracy of 1st Cor 2:14. Steve is a staunch 5-Point Calvinist, he wrote an article in which he defends the divine goodness of his belief that God's secret will is very often diametrically opposite to his revealed will (i.e., god might secretly will that you commit adultery despite telling you in the 10 commandments to refrain from it). You know: the parent who says "don't get into the cookies before dinner", but secretly and intentionally sets up the situation so the child will give in to temptation, then the parent gets angry at the child and punishes him for doing exactly what the parent wanted the whole time. In other words, you discover why Calvinists are so quick to damn "worldly wisdom" and pretend that what passes for "common sense" is actually devilish deception. They are forced by their lunatic theology to pretend that they think common sense is just proof of sinful deception. The level of deception in people like Steve is no less than the level seen in the minds of the fools who refuse to listen to reason and think that playing with live rattlesnakes is a sign of spiritual maturity. Using argument to convince a snake handler he's wrong is utterly useless because he has already convinced himself that opposition to his beliefs can only come from the devil or biblical ignorance, and its exactly the same with Steve. triablogue.blogspot.com/2017/12/gods-secret-will.html Maybe somebody should contact Steve Hays and ask him how happy in Jesus he would continue to be, if God gave him a glimpse of infallible divine foreknowledge, and the bit he was given showed himself, 5 years from now, suffering in hell (i.e., being imperfect, Steve's belief that his heart was right with god, was false, in which case his doctrinally correct beliefs did not suffice to protect him from hell, anymore than doctrinally correct beliefs of fake Christians suffices to protect them from hell). Steve will insist that his beliefs are aligned with Jesus's teachings, but alas, if God's ways are mysterious, and if he can cause people to be severely self-deluded, and if sin is already infecting Steve's ability to discern spiritual truth to begin with, then Steve's ability to defend his views as "biblical" doesn't necessarily imply anything more significant than the Arminian Christian scholar's ability to defend his Arminianism from scripture. Steve must allow that regardless of how smart somebody is, how sincere they are, or how much knowledge they have about Calvinism, heremeneutics and apologetics, they can STILL be so wrong as to suffer a rather nasty surprise after death. How would Steve act after God gave him an infallible vision revealing Steve suffering in hell starting 5 years after the vision? Infallible means "incapable of failing" therefore, the vision, by being infallible, was depicting future events that were incapable of failing (i.e., Steve could not possibly avoid going to hell)? Or did Steve, just now, suddenly discover the blessed assurance of Molinism?

@stevehays5029

4 жыл бұрын

Poor Barry never refuted my post.

@barryjones9362

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevehays5029 Poor Steve has never refuted most of my articles that criticize his beliefs. Google "turchisrong" and "demolishing Triablogue". perhaps Steve is too busy with a second job in effort to help Jason Engwer pay for the digitization of the Enfield Poltergeist tapes. Poor Steve refused to answer the simple question posed: Would he continue to be happy in Jesus if his Calvinist god gave him a glimpse of infallibly divine foreknowledge showing Steve suffering in hell 5 years from now...yes or no? Should we thus draw conclusions from this alone, or might somebody's refusal to engage in criticism possibly have an innocent explanation? Let's just say that "well documented verdical apparitions" are not going to enable Steve to survive the challenge I post here.

@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevehays5029 The SPR's early work with trance mediums is more impressive than apparitions. But in both cases (and in fact, for all evidence of the continuation of personality after brain death) one *cannot* in principle differentiate between the survival hypothesis and the living-agent-psi hypothesis, which both explain the data equally well. Braude (2003) argues that one can make (very sophisticated philosophical) arguments that *slightly* tip the scales in favor of survival, although Sudduth (2016) has offered a strong case in the other direction. One can prove beyond any reasonable doubt that anomalous information acquisition really *does* occur sometimes (and in the best cases we can rule out fraud and what Braude calls "the usual suspects"), but there's still a further step in concluding that survival is the best explanation.

@stevehays5029

4 жыл бұрын

Sudduth himself lived in a haunted house. Turns out the poltergeist activity began when a former owner committed suicide on the premises. That, in itself, is strong evidence for life after death,

Is there life before life ?

@MadderMel

4 жыл бұрын

I can't recall anything at all before I was born , so from my viewpoint nothing exists and nothing has ever existed !

@geraldhills41

4 жыл бұрын

@@MadderMel apart from this flash of self consciousness !

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

@@geraldhills41 you dummy

@Samsara_is_dukkha

Жыл бұрын

​@@MadderMel I can't recall anything from the time of my birth until when I was about four years old. Does that mean that I did not exist during those four years?

The True answer is No one really knows what is before you are Born nor what happens after Death. It is all taught Beliefs, Hopes and Traditions... I feel this existence is too Large and unknown for "Man" to put any definition on...

I hope so ,after life with god in his house, reincarnation or the big conciseness.

I would love some biblical evidence for his understanding of the soul. He's assumptions and assertions seem to be purely philosophical.

It's fascinating to listen to someone engaging in pure speculation, especially a university professor, while acting as if they know it's true.

The resurrection of Jesus - who ONLY appeared to his followers after the tomb was found empty and no one else? We only have his followers words. No on else claimed to see him. And if one found an empty tomb today what would one conclude? Answer: The body has been removed / stolen.

@vicentezapata3040

4 жыл бұрын

And who stole it?

@pasquino0733

4 жыл бұрын

@@vicentezapata3040 My hypothesis is the Sanhedrin. As Peter says in Acts 2, the tomb of King David is still with us, implying that it was a commonly visited site in Jerusalem. The last thing they would have wanted was the tomb of someone who had gained some popularity, to become a focal point for pilgrimage. Problem was, they had no idea his followers would interpret - the very common - post-death vivid hallucinations of him afterwards as evidence of a resurrection and thus birth Christianity as we know it.

@mathew4181

2 жыл бұрын

Proof of resurrection Shroud of Turin . The Shroud of Turin is a centuries old linen cloth that bears the image of a crucified man. A man that millions believe to be Jesus of Nazareth. Is it really the cloth that wrapped his crucified body, or is it simply a medieval forgery, a hoax perpetrated by some clever artist? Modern science has completed hundreds of thousands of hours of detailed study and intense research on the Shroud. It is, in fact, the single most studied artifact in human history, and we know more about it today than we ever have before. And yet, the controversy still rages. This web site will keep you abreast of current research, provide you with accurate data from the previous research and let you interact with the researchers themselves. We believe that if you have access to the facts, you can make up your own mind about the Shroud. Make sure you visit the page where you can Examine the Shroud of Turin for yourself. We hope you enjoy your visit. Barrie M. Schwortz, Editor. shroud.com/ kzread.info/dash/bejne/qWiGpLqPo5qWj8o.html m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/Znto1cxxmLi8kbw.html

@toma3447

2 ай бұрын

So you admit there was an empty tomb?

@pasquino0733

2 ай бұрын

@@toma3447 Read above.

There is no death... life is God celebrating itself as diverse so not to be alone. God('s purpose) is Love. John 1:1 And if you don't like the word God replace it with Self.

Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[a] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

Hmmm what about human beings who never found certain death at the end of life terrifying or wanted fairy tale assurances of somethings else?! I wonder if this is a genetic predisposition or a cultural/ familial learned attitude .... that I don’t know, but what I do know is if one is unafraid of and accepting of death, afterlife notions carry neither plausibility nor much interest.

@Gatorbeaux

4 жыл бұрын

If one has the hope of heaven then it’s sort of a big deal- which is what the Christian believes. It’s not “ fairy tales” if you have a 2500 year old book that acts as a road map with hundreds of fulfilled prophesies and scientific and historical evidence.... of you do not care about where you will spend a potential eternity, you probably need to be more serious about that distinct possibility it is a reality coming rather fast at you.....

@Gatorbeaux

4 жыл бұрын

Julian Walker btw I grew up atheist and was a biologist until evidence of the complexity in DNA started by journey towards theism- The evidence for Jesus’s Resurrection made me a Christian after a few years of study on the subject - just some background that would go against a cultural bias towards a certain religion-

@JAYDUBYAH29

4 жыл бұрын

Bad really had me going until “the evidence for Jesus’ resurrection” well played sir, good trolling! 🤣🙌

@JAYDUBYAH29

4 жыл бұрын

Bad Gator oh my goodness thank you so much, you’re right, I should take prophecy, eternity, heaven and hell much more seriously... by the way when you have a minute can I share with you about my lord and savior Poseidon? (I identify as part dolphin...)

@Gatorbeaux

4 жыл бұрын

Julian Walker well if you could show me Poseidon’s literal existence and that he worked miracles, claimed to be God and was resurrected With historical evidence and 11 non biblical sources about his life/miracles and resurrection, of love to have that chat......😂.

I would love for Robert to ask the people who claim that the mind/soul/consciousness/whatever is not in the brain and is some type of immaterial 'other' about the mechanism that it uses to interact with the physical brain. Once they can answer that question (or at least begin to pose some type of testable (and falsifiable) hypothesis, then we can start to actually treat their ideas with a modicum of intelligent discussion. Until then it's all just a bunch of useless faffing about that does nothing to help anyone beyond the standard religious "Be good or else!"

@philosopher0076

4 жыл бұрын

QChronoD. I disagree with the final sentence or two of your post but have no energy to bother arguing it out in what would need to be a long diatribe. However, as for your query regarding the physical mechanism connecting consciousness to the physical body.....perhaps Dr. Stuart Hammeroff and Sir Roger Penrose's ORCH OR Theory is what you may be searching for. Their theory has been around for 20 plus years and was scoffed and laughed at for years....but has lasted till now and been passing trial after trial with facets of it holding more and more scientific " water " so to speak. In other words, it's growing legs insofar as it's plausibility. It is still looked down on by many but I think it may be a solid theory that might be accurate. It involves microtubules in the brain being the storage area for our consciousness and that at biological death...that consciousness is released and perhaps continues....intact....forever due to quantum entanglement. That is a VERY condensed summation of the theory but...as said, perhaps it is the kind of thing you are searching for. Look up Stuart Hammeroff on KZread. Brave doctor...and professor....who has been scoffed at....but his theory was solid enough that the great, highly respected Oxford physicist and Philosopher of Science Sir Roger Penrose came on board with him, feeling it was a viable theory after reading it and speaking to Hammeroff many years ago.

@qchronod

4 жыл бұрын

@@philosopher0076 I took a quick look at what you brought up and it's an interesting mechanism for how our brain might work, and nothing seems to have been proven wrong (mostly because we don't yet have the technology to be able to see if its false yet) EDIT: BTW Unless there is something that I missed in my quick skim, it's still fully consistent with the laws of the universe and is a physical phenomena that occurs within the brain, and has nothing to do with some immaterial mind/soul/etc that is beyond our current knowing. But you go well beyond what it needs to be true and start introducing metaphysical aspects: "It involves microtubules in the brain being the storage area for our consciousness and that at biological death...that consciousness is released and perhaps continues....intact....forever due to quantum entanglement." So what is released? Is it a physical thing? Some sort of energy? How did it interact with the brain before death? If you want to use quantum entanglement, then I'm going to assume you mean it was some gestalt entanglement of all the quantum states of the particles in the brain. How does that continue to exist once we die? The brain turns to mush and all the physical materials get dispersed by decomposition. Are you positing there is some unknown type of matter that can carry on the pattern? How would it get the pattern from the brain? etc, etc, etc... Once you start to imply that there is a non-physical phenomena involved with consciousness then you now have to prove that there are entire aspects of the world that we have no way of detecting even exist right now (or else we would have likely seen evidence).

@philosopher0076

4 жыл бұрын

QChronoD. Send Hammeroff a letter asking him all those details. I don't have his depth of knowledge and you're asking a million question and I've not the hours to type all those kinds of answers. Or look at his lectures IN FULL and you'll get your answers. I will say one thing....you are saying how does the suggested, "consciousness/soul/etc) " copy the " patterns " in the brain once the brain is destroyed and so on. Who says the brain is the origin of the patterns?? What if the consciousness is the totality of the patterns and is an agent temporarily inside the biology of the brain? Then the destruction of the brain is just causing a release of a totality of consciousness. And to underline a bit of research data that in no way conclusively proves that...but certainly would be supporting evidence of the brain not being the actual source of consciousness...I give you that there have been cases of people who had NO BRAIN....only a brain stem, yet functioned moreover normally AND had a normal and sometimes high IQ. See Dr. Bruce Greyson's lecture which includes a brief overview of one such case: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pYR7vLV8aNLKebg.html

@Mulberry2000

4 жыл бұрын

I see we have candidate for the traditional snotty philosopher/Scientist answer. When you guys stop ignoring the massive amount of evidence of NDEs, tell me where the mind is with proof and explain why atoms change their behaviour when you are watching it et al. Then i might believe you, not theory, not a good argument, but proof and test it. Because i can tell you this, get one atom and observe it, without it doing a runner. I do not care about getting another atom, i am talking about the Atom named QchronoD. I want evidence you can see and track that same atom over and over again. After all that is the same burden of proof you asking people who believe in the afterlife. So can it be done? Nope but i digress.

@qchronod

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mulberry2000 They can track individual atoms but it take an entire lab full of equipment to be able to do so. There are tons of papers about experiments that verify that capability. I've yet to ever hear of anything that even hints at the possibility that an afterlife is even hypothetically possible. Near death experiences all seemingly come back to eye-witness testimony which is about 1/2 step above useless. (Even worse, it's usually based on someones memories of something that supposed to happen when they had no brain activity) BTW "the Atom named QchronoD" makes no sense as a descriptor and can only be regarded as nonsense.

We live many lives you will be conches in another life

It’s like watching a adult explaining something to a kid who thinks he’s really smart

@AceofDlamonds

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like Mr. Kuhn is the adult based on his up-to-date knowledge of neuroscience. Moreland merely brushes off the FACT that memories reside in the brain. That's kinda insane I didn't expect that.

The demons pretend to be the dearly departed. Genesis the 6th chapter .

NDEs are interesting in themselves, but really tell us nothing about a so-called afterlife. Near death is not death.

The question of an "Aferlife" as it is portrayed culturally and in society is quite silly because obviously you wouldn't have a physical existence at least just immediately after your death. So you wouldn't be like you were before in the normal life with your job, hobbies, likes and dislikes etc as is the notion in hell and heaven where much of who you were is carried on. Yet it is very unlikely that death is the end or more precisely there is no start and end in an abstract sense because it (your conciousness) has always existed invariant with time. Here are my arguments : 1. Right now your brain is undergoing changes that result in endless states yet you as an observer remains invariant and invariant enough so that you can relatively observe the changes that happen. No matter what happens to your brain - a stroke, a car accident, alzheimers or any severe brain damage you as an observer remains invariant and experiences them as they are, which shows that there has to be a property that is different from anything we have seen before embedded deeply into existence itself. It is not a dualistic entity but is merely a property which is either not yet discovered or is fundamentally irreducible because it cannot be objectively understood. Since science is entirely objective, the formalism of science have ignored the existence of such entities as they can never be proven. They are like the axioms of mathematics which cannot be proven but is obvious enough to be taken true. 2. Hence you can see that conciousness has immense tolerance in the amount of change the physical body undergoes. Changes to the physical body can cause huge difference in the conscious experience you have but not in comciousness itself. This invariance coupled with the continuity of conscious experience suggests that even death (which is also a form of physical change) would likely be an experience which continues forever instead of an abrupt discontinuous end to conciousness. What that experience would be like is highly speculative but is plausible to mention a few: a. Our conciousness may expand to a higher order in the sense that it would be a large non localised form whose experiences may include that of a larger organised system such as of nature or the planet. b. Thoughts and emotions would lose meaning in such a system because of the increased complexity of the system in whole making the activity of its smaller parts "senseless" until viewed from the perspective of the system as a whole.

@Mulberry2000

4 жыл бұрын

It's quite silly not to believe in an afterlife because science says an atom can communicate over long distances without the aid of a mind. The atom will change its behaviour if your looking at it. This has lead people to believe in parallel universes and if so life after death can be possible as one of them constructs. The christian should of asked the scientist where is the mind, because he fell into the trap that the damage brain is the mind because it cannot remember or create new memories. It stands to reason if the brain is damage it cannot create or remember new memories, just like a damage radio. A radio cannot receive or send signals but radio waves still exist and others are using them. Even if no one uses them the radio frequencies are stil there and can or do carry messages, ie verbal messages of humans if in use or the message of atoms. Also a person in the afterlife can remember memories forgotten, even if the brain is damaged, because memory was an atom ,a photon. Memories are not hindered by a physical brain. The brain may create news ones and forget them, as one part is damage, it does not mean they are lost forever, because of the above. So an afterlife world is not governed by our physical law and can create any form of memory created by the person. Equally a person who is blind can see in the afterlife, and they can see their own memories of the life they have left. It does not mean they will be "judged" on the memories as been seen. The person can see the events unfold and not see them at the same time. Time, events, blindness, physical illness, impairment, experiences et al are all happening at the same time and can be viewed from many different angles in the after life. When you get snotty scientists or doctors ask them where is the mind? They can only answer as the op in the video, it's in the head stupid because the mind creates them. Then ask them for proof? Silence.

@delq

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mulberry2000 I agree with you and it is very frustrating to keep on seeing people including scientists simultaneously use thought, emotions etc as a defining property of conciousness which it is not. I believe that after 500 - 1000 years from now we would completely decode the neural correlates of all human thoughts, emotions and feeling and we might literally be able to know what someone is thinking in an objective sense just by looking at their brain. Even though such a technology is immensely hard to invent it is not philosophically impossible. But what I feel as impossible is to objectively explain conciousness itself which makes subjective experience from the physically correlated thoughts and feelings and give them a subjective meaning, or at the most not with the scientific formalism that we have which strikes out any form of subjective property at the smallest of scales. And I like the idea of memories being translated after the so called "death" but was never able to have an intution about it even though much of vedanta and eastern wisdom traditions say such progression is indeed possible. Maybe these memories become the karma that guides us in the afterlife. When we die the correlations of conciousness might as you say shift from that of our brains to something of increased complexity which is possible - like an organized property hidden in chaos. But would the experience be the same as that when you were alive ? And that is what I meant and I never believe that conciousness is "in" the brain but you cannot deny the fact that brain is sensitive when it comes to conciousness which is why I believe that even if thoughts and emotions are indeed carried beyond death I am not sure what it would be like What I mean precisely is that your brain has some emotional and cognitive references - these references are what make you happy when someone is kind towards you and makes you sad in the event of death of a loved one. These references are learnt and evolved throughout life starting from birth and I that is what that might be lost or at least partly in death. So your memories might weakly continue after death in some highly abstract form but would it create the same subjective experience without the references which I call the discerning mind ? In the absence of such abstract references, the thought might still exist but it would be experienced as something entirely different.

@Mulberry2000

4 жыл бұрын

@@delq They can do that now, with pilots thinking with their minds to shoot missiles etc . The problem is even though they can map thoughts and wavelengths, they will not be able to do it if they do know where the mind resides. Mechanical biology cannot do this job because it assumes too much and at the same time assumes too little. The answer is in quantum mechanics, or may be i am too. guilty of my criticisms of mechanical biology. The point though is if QM can point to parallel universes, who is to say one of them is not the afterlife!. After all from religious and NDE evidence, point to a realm totally different from ours. Most describe it as more real than this world. The quran says the exactly the same thing as well. All religions touch upon the subject but modern science is blinded by it hatred of them all. Yet they have created the most evil of all weapons, which could and can wipe us out in a flash. Scientist still say they are the most moral, better and superior to other generations. It seems to me they are full of hubris and have closed their minds.

@delq

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mulberry2000 Absolutely. Quantum mechanics is something that I strongly believe can provide some answers. But lately i am quite careful when i say it because lot of physicists say that just because two similar mysterious and unintuitive things cannot be connected for no reason which I am strongly against why : 1. Quantum mechanics is one of the pillars of reality and if it is universal(which it is) should have a model for everything including conciousness. People who say that is not required are the ones who deny the existence of conciousness and say it as an illusion created by the mind. 2. I have had a very subjective idea which is hard to explain but involves consciousness as a by product that you get when something is created from nothingness. Quantum mechanics says that fundamental quantities like position and momentum are not immeasurable but is intrinsically nonexistent until observation which is what I mean by nothingness. What is the difference between nothingness and existence ? Imagine a wall and you hit it what does it mean in the context of yourself to say that the wall exists - it would be the pain you experience when you hit it which is caused by a force acting against you when you make contact with it. So the physical existence of the wall is just the position of the wall and the force it gives out when you hit it. I summarize these two characters of the wall as the information that physical laws of nature need as the variables to its equations. And if you speculate on it deeply it feels like that is all there is - just the information. We feel the wall to be something of itself because we too are made up of information and therefore the obvious nature of information is lost. So I think conciousness is where that information resides. The information every piece of existence should have - an awareness that is fundamentally unique which allows it to behave in accordance with natures laws - a by product of existence.

@Mulberry2000

4 жыл бұрын

@@delq What if a person can move is own atoms apart, with any hard to himself. Some say Aliens come to their bedroom and do not bust doors or do any damage. I am not going to deny people's experience because i have not experienced it myself. So what if a intelligent life form had developed that technology? Would put the cat among the pigeons literally their atoms to boot. Star Trek postulated this when they traveled from the ship to planets surface. . So what if a force beyond us, call it a god for argument sake, said BE and it is . BE and the photon or atom or essence of life BE and the atom "spoke" to the other atom. What if we invented that travel system? It would imply our atoms go somewhere else till it hit its destination. It's a fact our reality is made of something, what if that reality can open doors via photons, or something smaller than that, something we as humans say impossible. So ghosts are not of dead people but of people alive who happens to fade into our exist by a glitch or on purpose. After all there infinite millions of you and me in parallel universes, all separate, all real and yet, all are you and me. Think on it for one moment the gravity of that concept. The conscious will, the BE, is the command to form and who gives that command. Scientist say it's all an accident, its all fake. Everything looks made but it is not it just got there by randomness.. The cambrian fossil records, puzzle anthropologists because all of sudden new life forms came into existence with an evolutionary tree. My view some put them there and left them to develop. It's the BE concept, but if you do not believe that, well no animals was put there and they just evolved out of nothing. Except there is no evidence for that. We think because a tree, is not there because it does not exist, till someone discovers it. America did not exist till a European saw it first, never mind the fact people were living there. Who cares about them, they are nothing in our hubris. Yet the american indians knew and saw who created them.

Brilliant, Prof Moreland.

J.P. should have said 'I do not know' to the question of lost memory

NO

This is like geocentrism. Religions ascribe too much importance to individual fates that, while of uttermost importance to one self, is completely irrelevant at a historical or cosmic level. If the universe is limited, trajectories will likely repeat cyclically, and the future will be the past, and vice versa, in all infinity. Life after death would then just imply being born the same way over and over again, and death would be the same state you had as before you were born.

Where is the evidence that Jesus was resurrected and where is the evidence that Jesus existed in the first place? There is more proof of life after death from NDE's than there is proof of Jesus.

@pauljohn1979

4 жыл бұрын

Do you believe Napoleon existed or George Washington?

@beefy32

4 жыл бұрын

@@pauljohn1979 We have solid evidence that both Napoleon and Washington existed in this world. We only have anecdotal evidence that Jesus did.

@pauljohn1979

4 жыл бұрын

Anecdotal? Even secular scholars know that the biblical accounts of Jesus are historically accurate. Archaeologists also agree on the archaeological accuracy of the bible. Furthermore more there are other accounts of Jesus in other historical writings such as by Poycarp, Ignatius and Tacitus to name but a few. Tacitus was a Roman and wasn't even a believer and he spoke about Jesus being crucified. I suggest you do some research because to suggest Jesus never even existed is utter madness. Bart Ehrman the leading biblical sceptic even acknowledges his existence.

@upworkqureshi6665

4 жыл бұрын

@@beefy32 I think your knowledge of history is v weak

@mathew4181

2 жыл бұрын

Proof of resurrection Shroud of Turin . The Shroud of Turin is a centuries old linen cloth that bears the image of a crucified man. A man that millions believe to be Jesus of Nazareth. Is it really the cloth that wrapped his crucified body, or is it simply a medieval forgery, a hoax perpetrated by some clever artist? Modern science has completed hundreds of thousands of hours of detailed study and intense research on the Shroud. It is, in fact, the single most studied artifact in human history, and we know more about it today than we ever have before. And yet, the controversy still rages. This web site will keep you abreast of current research, provide you with accurate data from the previous research and let you interact with the researchers themselves. We believe that if you have access to the facts, you can make up your own mind about the Shroud. Make sure you visit the page where you can Examine the Shroud of Turin for yourself. We hope you enjoy your visit. Barrie M. Schwortz, Editor. shroud.com/ kzread.info/dash/bejne/qWiGpLqPo5qWj8o.html m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/Znto1cxxmLi8kbw.html

Filter theory

@paulryan2128

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely right.

Reliance upon two factors that are unproven to formulate an outcome is illogical. However having a belief system is common in all cultures and tribes. The term ‘after life’ therefore may be an answer to provide anchorage during life.

@BRADLEY856

4 жыл бұрын

Seth Yellin I don’t disagree with you. I argue reliance on two non settled concepts isn’t really a good base. However, if we consider exactly ‘what’ our current thoughts are constructed of - are they protons, electrons? Or are they visceral self maintaining ‘things without physical construct’ ? I think if the latter is more true, thoughts can survive death. With respect

I think it is possible to believe in God, without all the baggage of individual survival after death, with all its associated problems of Judgement, eternal reward/punishment (Heaven/Hell) etc. etc. If ‘consciousness’ survives, but our identity (ego) dies with the body, we are part of everything already. We are One - which is why I should treat you (and all sentient beings) well. Is this not morally preferable to individual existence being eternal, with all the “I’m alright Jack” attitude that must comes with it? This also makes much more sense from a scientific and philosophical perspective. Research on Near Death Experiences (such as the “AWARE” project) have failed to identify ANY cases where new knowledge is obtained following an NDE. I’m glad Dr Kuhn presses Dr Moreland on memory (eg. the case of “HM”). The storing of memories outside the brain hypothesis ie. in an immortal soul falls foul of Occam’s Razor. Memory is vulnerable to physical injury and disease, and we can track specific neurones associated with specific memories (eg. “Jennifer Anniston” neurones), as well as which parts of the brain light up in association with specific memory cues. Research shows our episodic memories change over time (as much as 50% in a year), false memories can be implanted, real memories can be erased - all of which point strongly to memory as an imperfect and dynamic recalling of information from a physical network (such as the brain). Of course we don’t know how mind and body interact, but to argue that memory is stored, not in the brain, but in our ‘immortal soul’ (though seemingly unavailable to us), is to invoke spurious entities merely to save the hypothesis. Even Descartes had serious problems with the ‘driver in the vehicle’ aka ‘ghost in the machine’ metaphor, which have only become more acute as we learn more about the intricate way mind and brain are linked. The way forward is surely some form of Dual Aspect Monism, or Panpsychism, rather than the increasingly problematic “Substance Dualism” Dr Moreland seems to favour. There’s still room for God - but maybe a much less anthropomorphic God.

These apologists always try to rely on near death experiences as if they were death experiences --- they're NOT.

@Samsara_is_dukkha

Жыл бұрын

The sad truth is that most people don't even have a life experience.

@Whippets

Жыл бұрын

@@Samsara_is_dukkha Ha, which is why I guess they're obsessed with death experiences. lol

@Samsara_is_dukkha

Жыл бұрын

@@Whippets Courtesy of mass extinction and thermonuclear war...

@Whippets

Жыл бұрын

@@Samsara_is_dukkha Yes, just give them enough time ...

They are both human beings with Robert being closer to truth

@PhantomGardener

2 жыл бұрын

According to who?

_The word ‘God’ is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions._ -Albert Einstein, on letter written to Jewish philosopher Eric Gutkind, 3 January 1954 (a year before Einstein's death) *_Fear_* of death makes us cling to religion and holy books; that fear creates (1) God, (2) the terror of being nothing, and (3) the many spiritual vampires and exploiters throughout millennia that suck the money and the energy out of gullible people. How gullible are we human beings! The self creates fear. The end of the self brings *_total freedom._* Waiting for all living beings when they die is something utterly impersonal: the unknowable, *_nothingness._* 💕 ☮ 🌎 🌌

@mrandersong1

4 жыл бұрын

totalfreedom45 well said. Fear is what causes all the superstition and dogma. We fear what we have no control over.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and to you and Greg I add... Why religion? Fear of death strikes me as a weak hypothesis to explain something so complex. Surely it's much more likely that one will find a better answer in the study of the evolution of the mind?

I don't know why everyone is so worried, before you were born you didn't care to much about it.

@pedroroque829

4 жыл бұрын

Because being non conscious is the worst thing there is. Imagine if you died right now, every pleasure you have, every moment etc will be lost forever

@benjamingamrekeli1578

4 жыл бұрын

@@pedroroque829 it's not bad because you will forget everything and you won't worry about it

@markmooroolbark252

3 жыл бұрын

That's like saying why be so upset if your child dies. Your life was perfectly fine before they came along. In one case you have nothing to lose and no experience to leave behind or regret. Once you experience life the idea of leaving it us far more confronting and upsetting.

If I owned a hog I would purchase some grooming products and fill up a bucket.

Grow up! Eternal human consciousness would truly be Hell.

All that talk and not even a shred of evidence was produced!

How the hell would he or anyone know .. ?

The evidence is pretty clear that consciousness not only transcends the brain/body, it transcends the entirety of this material "dimension." We live in a nested reality, where the physical universe is a subset of a larger reality. We are therefore "spiritual beings" having serial material experiences in order to raise the level of our consciousness quality through a process of consciousness evolution. So not only does our consciousness continue after death, it existed before our birth (all of our births and deaths). Consciousness is immortal.

‘ Groucho Marx’ should stick to Comedy!

Is there bread after toast?!

why would anyone want to exist for ever? I dont understand. We dont get to choose who we are, what if some people are not happy with they are or their existence, life after death would mean carrying on this burden for ever? It seems very unfair to me

@miguelthealpaca8971

4 жыл бұрын

But I don't see why they would continue with the burdens they have in life? I can ask, why would anyone, who is reasonably happy in life, not want to continue living forever?

what a blatant outright liar how he knows what he is making up just his assumptions

I think though I admire J. P. Moreland. His approach here wasn’t really appropriate. He is being presuppositionalist, rather than putting the shoes as a fellow man or just a philosopher. However, the question itself ‘is there afterlife?’ already presupposes the existence of God. So the question should rather be why are people afraid of death when it is natural to die?

@user-br2uh7ib4b

4 жыл бұрын

The question of an afterlife doesn’t presuppose God. If a soul exists, it’s at least conceivable that it could go on to exist after death, sans God.

@Gatorbeaux

4 жыл бұрын

JP mentioned that presupposition of God existing- but he does that with evidence so it’s not some wild presupposition with no basis in reality-

Absolute nonsense there is no such thing as the afterlife.

Who's he gonna interview next, a scientologist?

@srb00

4 жыл бұрын

Still better than an atheist.

@librulcunspirisy

4 жыл бұрын

@@srb00 Becaaaaause...there's just as much evidence for Lord Xenu as there is for old Yahwey?

@yungzooma3650

Жыл бұрын

@@librulcunspirisy not true

He didn’t like it when all other religions other than Christianity at 2:00. 😂😂

@tristanmaxwell8403

2 жыл бұрын

And?

jaypee

Sad to watch the series content sliding from science into mysticism and ghosts of our dark past

@Samsara_is_dukkha

Жыл бұрын

Our present is just as dark as our past.

Jesus's resurrection is empirical evidence. 😆😆😆

With every episode "Closer To Truth" gets further from the reality.

This is a discussion about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin - by two guys who believe in angels but have never seen a pin.

@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns

4 жыл бұрын

(1) The host is an atheist... (2) the idea of postmortem continuation of personality it not at all analogous to how many angels can dance on a pin (which was never a topic of serious discussion among theologians in the first place) given the arguments that one can make for it (see Braude 2003 and Sudduth 2016). But (3) I agree that Moreland is *not* particularly impressive or persuasive here (or anywhere else, as far as I can tell).

@ChrisBandyJazz

4 жыл бұрын

​@@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns 1. It sounded like Moreland goofed, saying "yes" at 7:46 and then "no" at 9:18 to the same question. I cringed so hard because I knew he should have said "no", so I had to wait through 90 seconds of confusion. I'm going to give Moreland the benefit of the doubt and assume he just misunderstood the question when Kuhn first asked it. But still, that confusion definitely made it more difficult for him to seem impressive or persuasive. 2. Moreland didn't really have much to say or prove, because of the questions asked. He laid out his three points, and then Kuhn immediately changed the subject to his own field of expertise. At the end of the video Moreland and Kuhn didn't really disagree on anything they had discussed in detail. Another reason why he may have not seemed impressive. 3. Other than the error detailed in (1), everything Moreland said seemed fairly obvious. It's obvious that theism, belief in the Resurrection, and evidenced NDEs could reasonably lead to belief in an afterlife. It's obvious that "memories" as colloquially defined aren't stored in the brain-they are an abstract concept. It's obvious that, assuming there's an afterlife, your soul wouldn't remember "memories" it never formed. So perhaps he wasn't very impressive here because he was just making very basic philosophical arguments that Kuhn already agreed with.

@user-mg1jp2qf7h

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Bandy I think Moreland didn’t completely understand the question. He said yes and know which logically is a contradiction, but he later explains he doesn’t know, as does anyone.

interviewer is annoyingly dominating.

Why do people fear death? If you really contemplate it, would you really want to be in a conscious state for infinity? Secondly, this guy makes a lot of assumptions without evidence of anything.

Sadly, we are almost certainly our brains.

@redshift6743

4 жыл бұрын

Spend a few days going through www.nderf.org

@philosopher0076

4 жыл бұрын

No....actually we're almost certainly NOT only our brains. Look up Dr. Bruce Greyson, Dr. Penny Sartori, Dr. Jeff Long, Dr. Kenneth Ring, Dr. Jim Tucker, Dr. Sam Parnia, Dr. Eben Alexander, Dr. Peter Fenwick, Dr. Raymond Moody, for starters......

@DL-rl9bd

4 жыл бұрын

Mr Incognito I am looking at this now. Thank you.

@mikeclancy741

4 жыл бұрын

And our stomachs...

@benjamingamrekeli1578

4 жыл бұрын

why is that sad? whether or not we have a soul our life is still the same

This is the most amazing youtube channel. On the one hand, interviews with intellectual giants like Susskind and Carroll, and on the other hand interviews with religious "intellectual ants".

@Ali-yy5lx

4 жыл бұрын

Everyone has his idea and worldview u cant say that ur worldview is the truth because there are enough evidances for believers u think u came from nothingness but others cant accept that so be polite and respect other views

@robertmiller1299

4 жыл бұрын

Morgan Andreasson Trouble is that the scientific view of the world is radically defective - vide for one intentionality.

@rumidude

4 жыл бұрын

Looks like you triggered the religionists.

@philosopher0076

4 жыл бұрын

Tobias N. Carroll is the farthest thing from dumb. Narrow minded to some areas of NDE and such research... but not " dumb " ? No no no.

@onestepaway3232

4 жыл бұрын

Morgan Andreasson Jesus is history. Nothing to do with religion. It’s black or white

So what Moreland says is that if you believe in definitions that establish a system, and the system contains something called an "afterlife," then an afterlife exists. Sounds like a perfectly circular answer to me. Which begs the question - Is a circular answer truly an answer? Yes, it's just a poor one based on specious logic. Then he proceeds to debunk the process (with its admitted limits and imperfections) of collecting empirical evidence, but accepts anecdotal evidence as factual. This isn't even polished philosophical slight of hand - it's intellectual dishonesty. So on a truth scale of one to ten, this rates a zero. It does not bring anyone closer to truth.

This guy talks about things so knowingly without having knowledge of anything? He talks about what you can and can’t do in an afterlife. How does he know? Because a book written by bronze aged goat herders told him? We would not accept this “knowledge” in any other of life’s academic disciplines, yet box it up in ancient superstitions and it becomes plausible? This is the main problem with religious people. They are uncomfortable just saying I don’t know.

What evidence is there that Jesus was raised from the dead? You accept the accounts of the gospel, yet human history is full of stories of resurrection. Why do you believe one and not the others?

@Samsara_is_dukkha

Жыл бұрын

What evidence is there that you or anyone else is conscious?

pretzel logic

This guy is nuts

Bs, bs, and bs...

This guy assumes practically everything he’s saying. There is no proof whatsoever of anything he says....none.

@mathew4181

2 жыл бұрын

Proof of resurrection Shroud of Turin . The Shroud of Turin is a centuries old linen cloth that bears the image of a crucified man. A man that millions believe to be Jesus of Nazareth. Is it really the cloth that wrapped his crucified body, or is it simply a medieval forgery, a hoax perpetrated by some clever artist? Modern science has completed hundreds of thousands of hours of detailed study and intense research on the Shroud. It is, in fact, the single most studied artifact in human history, and we know more about it today than we ever have before. And yet, the controversy still rages. This web site will keep you abreast of current research, provide you with accurate data from the previous research and let you interact with the researchers themselves. We believe that if you have access to the facts, you can make up your own mind about the Shroud. Make sure you visit the page where you can Examine the Shroud of Turin for yourself. We hope you enjoy your visit. Barrie M. Schwortz, Editor. shroud.com/ kzread.info/dash/bejne/qWiGpLqPo5qWj8o.html m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/Znto1cxxmLi8kbw.html

@yungzooma3650

Жыл бұрын

you're wrong

@Boogieplex

Жыл бұрын

@@yungzooma3650 Prove it.

Delusional J.P Moreland for believing in things without evidence

I can give you the answer. No, there is no life after death. Move on.

@srb00

4 жыл бұрын

Why would anyone ask you?

@gregorygarrett7138

4 жыл бұрын

A lazy answer. You have absolutely no idea about anything that may be once we leave here.

@gregorygarrett7138

4 жыл бұрын

@Jeff a lazy reply to a lazy answer.

@yungzooma3650

Жыл бұрын

you're wrong

@toma3447

2 ай бұрын

You’re being dishonest. Nobody knows. You are making a knowledge claim.