I found an original M10 for a very good price recently & for my use with a traditional stereo system your video showed me I made a good choice, thanks!

@Hifyed

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your welcome!

Great review guys. I’m going to be demoing the v2 in a week. Can’t wait. And will you be doing a review of NAD M33 soon. It would be cool to see a comparison between the M10 and M33, though the M33 is 2x the cost. Thanks again. Cheers

@Hifyed

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Thank you! We will be doing the M33 hopefully soon. We have such much product we would like to review however only so much time as this KZread thing is just a hobby at the moment. 😉

Very great Video, Thanks. Is there also comparison between NAD M10V2 and NAD M33 ?

Can I run my Kef R5 with M10 V1 without any power issue in terms of bass ? Right now I have Krell kav 400xi which has 200 watts 8 ohm power not. But m10 has subwoofer crossover and dirac live feature which is really nice.

How does the amplifiers in these all in one systems compare to a traditional amp, for example would they be comparable to amps within the £1000 price range or maybe £1500 or £2000. I have a quite old marantz ki pearl lite (similar to the Pm8000 range, around £1000 new), to bring it up to modern standards would money be best spent on a streamer such as the node, and perhaps a dac and keep current amplification. or does the amplification in these surpass that of something like a mid range marantz, denon ect? I understand that some of the value is in the simplicity of the device and this I prefer, dirac is the biggest thing making me consider the m10 at present.

@Hifyed

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I would go for a node to modernize your system. All in ones have come along way, however, your older ki pearl is still good! Especially if you want to save money. Going with something like the M10 will have benefits as you simplify the system and sonically these newer class D amplifiers are getting better and better. I really did not like them in the past.

@MrDingaling007

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Read up on hypex ncore. Really extraordinary amplifiers (nad m10 uses)..class D is not to be dismissed

Does the 1st version come with a microphone for DIRAC?

@Hifyed

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From what I remember it does.

As an owner of a M10 version 1, it's gratifying to finally see its short comings brought to light. I run dual subs, and found out very quickly after setting it up in my system that it was totally useless in driving them. Their volume would not match up properly, and only through using Dirac was I able to make the system work at all. Very, very disappointing. The C658 streaming DAC suffers from the same problem. I have spent a considerable amount of time looking on line for help with this issue, and the general consensus is that these products were/are bugged and should have been fixed with a firmware update by NAD, which to my knowledge has never happened (unless you count the V2 as a firmware update which it basically is). No more NAD products for me. I have a brand new M10 v1 and C658 looking for a homes...

@Hifyed

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That’s unfortunate. I thought the problems have slowly been worked out via firmware upgrades. I’ll reach to some of the people I know at NAD as I’m curious why can’t they can’t rectify this.

@KeithHeinrich

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@@Hifyed I'll send you what I learned from Lenbrook. @Andy Allison there is a sub hack that makes the sub work properly so you don't need to ridiculously boost it with Dirac. Basically use an RCA splitter at the sub end which brings back the gain needed to drive them properly and wake them up. There is a detailed technical reason, but that's the trick. Its definitely a design flaw, the sensitivity is way too low (about -6db I believe) and the volume control logarithmic so its never going to provide enough signal to wake the a sub at a reasonable listening level. That right there is a poor design decision. The answer I was told is to use the 12V connection and crank the sub gain right up which still isn't going to do the job if you don't have a sub with the 12V connector. And it won't solve the lack of signal from the M10 either. :( And the reason it cannot be sorted with software is apparently owing to the hardware implementation, its not just a software fix, or so they said. For sure they made some bad calls with the V1, but its still a good thing once sorted. This design strategy and the associated defects seems common across all the BlueOS powered products of the V1 generation.

@andyallison8086

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@@Hifyed That would be awesome. In all fairness, I haven't plugged either the M10 or C658 into the wall in over 5 months. Maybe I should give them another shot if your feeling is that some firmware updates may now be in the pipeline.

@andyallison8086

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I found a fix for the subwoofer issue. Douk Audio and others make line level signal amplifiers which you put inline between the amplifier (NAD M10 or C658 in this case) and your sub(s) and simply turn up the signal using the rotary control until your subs sound like you want them to. About $39 dollars on Amazon. Works great.

@KeithHeinrich

Жыл бұрын

@@andyallison8086 a Y cable at the sub end has the same effect.

would be interesting to see m10v2 and c700 as im thinking on buying one to drive my 706s2

@Hifyed

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That would be a great idea! Maybe we can make it happen one day.

Very informative comparison that’s certainly helped with my decision to get the M10 v2. Just a quick question though - I thought class D amps generally ran much cooler than class A or AB. A couple of other reviews have reported the case of the M10 getting quite hot after a couple hours of use at moderate listening levels. Did you notice this at all during your testing, and if so, is that anything to be concerned about?

@billythestalker

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I think mine gets to around 40c. Keep in mind it does not have heat fins, so what heat it makes, it retains.

@Hifyed

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👍👍 They do run cooler than class a or a/b. It does get quite warm especially when you turn it up for extensive periods of time. The chassis is quite small and is part of the reason why it gets quite warm but nothing to worry about. If however should not get extremely hot to the point that you could cook an egg! if so something is wrong.

@erikb.788

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I have a M10 v1 with Dynaudio Emit30 (2011), it runs after some time at 68c. Doesn’t get hotter when listening longer. I contacted NAD and they said it probably because of the speakers are 4ohm but nothing to worry about. The spec of the v1 states 100W at 8ohm and 200W at 4ohm while the v2 is 100W for 8 and 4ohm if I’m correct? That should also impact the temperature with lower ohm speakers or am I wrong?

@Hifyed

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​@@erikb.788 I lower ohm speaker will usually cause the amp to operate at higher temperatures. It is usually not a concern unless it starts going into thermal protection.

@MrDingaling007

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@@erikb.788 I do believe the v1 and v2 use the same hypex ncore mp252 amp module.

How does the M10 v2 compare to the NAD C399?

@Hifyed

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It's hard to go from memory as from what I can remember it is close! It seems to be such a hot topic I think I'm going to have to do a direct comparison.

@hclandscapes

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@@Hifyed that would be great to see, I would be very interested in that

As much as I love my Parasound 2125v2 for my GoldenEar BRX, I've upgraded to the NAD C298 (similar to NAD M23). My Parasound will be moved to powering the surround L/R speakers in a mixed use music/movies 7.4.4 setup. My requirements (

It’s a D class amplifier what are your thoughts on this.

@Hifyed

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Class D has gone such a long way and I myself and finally embracing it. I always suggest to have a listen as the usually are a lot more leaner "accurate" sounding that some people don't like

@jlappin6277

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Thanks for your opinions. I ended up going out to buy the M 10 V2. I paired them with a pair of 705B&W.I sent back my NAD M10V2 .the Hegel H190 went on sale this month.the sale dropped the price $1200. I purchased the amp for $3200 originally $4300.

@Beija101

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@@jlappin6277 How do you like it so far? I have the same speakers and i am about to buy a amp. On my list are M10, Hegel h120 or h190. Hard to choose....

@jlappin6277

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@@Beija101 I ended up picking up the Hegel H190 . The Hegel was on sale this month.. they dropped the price $1200 on the 190 so I jumped on it.

If I hear the word gain one more time I might jump off a bridge. LOL

@Hifyed

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😂 me 2! Unfortunately it seems to be the going concern with these units.

@ryanschipp8513

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@@Hifyed lol! 👍

@khoi83

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No pain no gain 😆

@chrisp.916

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You won't gain much by jumping off the bridge

The Dacs are not the same!