Myths About Camber
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We all have that one friend who loves excessive camber, flaunting his car on Instagram, and well... overall just making a fool of himself, but, are they on to something? The myths of camber come out from the depths of the internet in this episode of wheel school.
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Number 1 myth about camber: -500 degrees looks cool.
@ryanhodgkin7475
5 жыл бұрын
Lol that's like having +140 degrees of camber
@mattiloponen92
5 жыл бұрын
Ive always hated that mega camber slammed look. Something like 2-4 degrees actually looks good.
@narojdebeste
5 жыл бұрын
the ones that have a lot of camber dont give a flying fuck about your opinion tho, might as well just keep it to yourself and let them enjoy their car
@4BillC
5 жыл бұрын
@@narojdebeste you must drive one...
@narojdebeste
5 жыл бұрын
@@4BillC i dont, drive a slightly lowered e34 530i
Alex should seriously think about joining a professional musical industry. My ears have never felt so blessed by his godly ability to produce such an amazing sound. If he focuses on his musical talent, I'm 1000% sure that he'll make it far.
@maxwell5428
5 жыл бұрын
mo bamba is one of the most new york songs you can play today
@MrTheHillfolk
5 жыл бұрын
Yo is that on iTunes yet ? Take my money
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
You're too kind! We have been working on a song but you guys might have to wait for that one.👀😂🔥
@kayjohn4924
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah.....He'll make it far away from civilization
@tuna_nuke
2 жыл бұрын
@@kayjohn4924 ayoo
Every time i see a car with excessive camber, it makes it look like someone squished the car. It looks dumb IMO, however I think a little camber looks fine.
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
That mild camber lyfe. 🗝
@brich8608
5 жыл бұрын
I definitely agree with you on the crazy camber, not my thing. Though I can appreciate the way a car can look sitting a MM off the ground. To each their own. That's the best part of ownership. It's your snowflake baby, make it unique.
@glock1inthetop45
5 жыл бұрын
You look squished
@lanesteele240
5 жыл бұрын
I threw up in my mouth when that blue mazda popped up in the video
@lanesteele240
5 жыл бұрын
Then i said it looks like it was squashed when it drove away
Stance is the gateway to flying cars....lol
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
🚀
@DarkWolf-qo7qo
5 жыл бұрын
Stance a delorian then boom you have got back to the future
@paulythedropbear.3969
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, because the drugs they will give you in the mental asylum will probably get you high as a kite.
@DJBillionator
3 жыл бұрын
That would be nice if flying cars from the era you speak of resorted to positive camber over negative camber to fly...... #BackToTheFuture
@ryggamortis7594
4 күн бұрын
I actually designed a flying car with jet propulsion like this in high school, always made sense to me to keep from side drifting
Elon Husk
I've seen more camber bois in the US than Japan
@bradenautry5405
4 жыл бұрын
The US loves our slanty bois
@overthinking3573
4 жыл бұрын
@@bradenautry5405 no we dont.
@HayyuAdam
4 жыл бұрын
Me too, I’ve never been to Japan
@vizualmrs
4 жыл бұрын
Extreme camber originated in Japan. If your in the car scene. They're everywhere.
@wolfy0nlin3
4 жыл бұрын
@@overthinking3573No you don't* Lemme correct your comment
I run 12 degrees of camber on my e69 M3 because track day bro. Precision engineered.... to break.
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
I got a little camber in the front . Rear has solid axle . You are absolutely correct on the toe in and out ruining tires . The alignment is key ! Bad alignment means sawed tires lol
I think this is a pretty interesting topic. I myself am the owner of SMP Automotive and deal with a ton of different cars and styles every single day. One of my personal cars is a bagged IS300 on Wed Kranze Bazreias. The wheels are 18x10.5 +22 and 18x11.5 +16 all fitting under stock body. It was definitely a quite a bit of work to get the car with close to matching camber front to rear, building to wheels to suit the desired camber angles, to clear the bigger Supra TT brake calipers, and to buy the correct suspension parts so everything works in unison. My car drives like a dream, even with the excessive camber (-8/-10 at ride height), but only because I took the time to do everything right the first go around. Before the suspension rebuild, I knew the car had an issue with bump steer (when I was static) so I made sure to buy RCA spacers to correct this problem. I also used JZX100 front upper control arms, which is great for easy camber, until you realize the AirLift bag bellows are so large that they rub the spindle and inside of the control arm. So to combat this issue, I had to purchase Serial9 strut offset hats (basically camber plates) to move the air strut into a position that it does rub against anything. In the rear, I used TC Sportline upper control arms and to be able to set the toe in spec with excessive camber, Megan racing toe arms to get the alignment right. The car sat on jack stands for about about two weeks while I assembled, refreshed, and measure from hub to fender lip using the wheels (before rebuild) and spacers so that I could determine the size of the new lips I wanted to buy. The tires last for a relatively good amount of time seeing that this car is my daily driver besides my Evo 9. I put roughly 10k miles on the Lexus a year with this setup and its been treating me fine so far. The biggest thing I want people to take from this is a proper setup takes a bit of time, research, and thinking power for it to work in your favor. Some of the cars you see like T-Demand have tons of hours, thought, and thousands of dollars worth of suspension components so that the cars can achieve aggressive ride heights, wheel fitment, and drive quality. Take your time, do it right the first time, and enjoy your slanty wheel machine! Check out my Lexus and give me a follow on IG @Ace_OnBase and find me on Facebook at Malik Mebane or SMP Automotive!
*Extreme camber* and *functional* don't go together. All I hear is my oil pan scrapping and exhaust system being destroyed on a small bump.
@blue04mx53
4 жыл бұрын
and seriously if you have excessive camber then destroying your car would be a good thing.
I think it would cool to see a list of how much camber is stock on some different cars.
@Sleggt
5 жыл бұрын
Generaly from 0 to -1.5. My car is at -0.25 front and -0.67 rear for example
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion we could maybe make a longer video about this for you guys!
@tantaiki1316
5 жыл бұрын
Google exists you know
@michaelstenhjem8086
5 жыл бұрын
@@tantaiki1316 Please explain how this Google machine you speak of works because I'm either too old/dumb to know how the internets works or I was just trying to help with ideas for future shows.
@SoulTouchMusic93
5 жыл бұрын
mine got 0.7 on the front and in between 1.5-2% on the rear. jaguar x-type 2l diesel.
Alex says that there are more parts needed to properly camber a car besides from camberplates. I think it would be nice to see a video on what parts you deff need to do it properly and how to set it up and adjust it
This guy is mad knowledgeable on fitment and car mods. Great presentation
Wanna see if your camber setup is ideal for your driving situation? Get a pyrometer (an infrared thermometer that can pick a spot less than 20 mm will do) and measure across the surface of the tread in three parts: inner edge, middle, outer edge. If the temperatures are within roughly 1* C (around 2* F) of each other then you're set. If one tire is excessively hotter or colder than its counterpart, then there's a load imbalance with the circuit/track that was just run (think NETCAR/Roundy-Round) relative to the alignment, or excessive toe applied to a wheel that's now dragging the tire along. Static camber at -2* is very helpful once you've run through the suspension kinematics, and then take into account how much the lower control arm mounts "roll" when the body shell leans through a corner. Basically, the chassis roll pulls the lower control inward on the outer wheel, and adds overall camber to that side. If you end up rolling enough to "add" 4* of camber to the outside wheel, your -2* static starting point is to get you closer to vertical as the lower control arm compresses to compensate during that roll. Hopefully, you end up around +1* (yep, positive) to work the outside edge of the tire with the aggressive shoulder blocks if it's a correct tire for the application. If it's an all season tire, those will usually dissolve after 8 good runs on asphalt and 3 runs on grooved concrete. That's why running -2* static camber on aggressively driven street cars with so-so camber control makes all season tires last so long. Of course if you slam the piss out of it and bring the control arms beyond horizontal, that's a whole other kinematics mess you're creating for yourself and everyone that's forced to share the road with you.
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
That one guy that is consistently swerving into the middle of the road to avoid any potholes or dips in the road. 😂
Ive been watching inu yasha for a couple weeks now I'm so proud of you Alex
Thanks for another great information video , I kinda always assumed cambered did create more wear but in fact toe does do more damage thanks , and just FYI back in the 50s 60, cambered was used on the old figure 8 race tracks that are now long gone so good bye good ole days !
How do you guys not have more subscribers??? Great stuff!
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Were working for it! 💪🏼😂👀
I agree with the "it's your car, do what you want with it" thing 100% as long as it's within safe limits. It's great for people to express themselves in their own ways via their car, even if it's something I don't necessarily like I can feel excited about the fact that it makes the owner happy. I just think that if your tires are so stretched that they'll de-bead just from being looked at wrong, plz stay far away from me because I didn't agree to possibly being hit by your car when it breaks at speed.
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Keep your eyes peeled when you see those guys! 👀😂
When purchasing an alignment/camber kit, purchase the entire kit. Some kits are purchased as either a one, two, or three piece kits. The more adjustments that can be made the more "dialed in" the suspension components are going to be. I have -3.0 degrees of camber on my Honda Accord Coupe with 275/35/19 tires on Advan RZII 19x10.0 et 35. The tires have already 35,000 miles on them. The tread wear, for the most, is even. My toe is set exactly to 0 degrees. It's true, camber (not insane camber) doesn't eat tire, it's toe. How do you get 0 degrees of toe on -3.0 degrees? By buying a complete camber kit. For me, it was a 3-piece kit for each side in the rear for the 2017 Accord. DON'T GO CHEAP. EITHER WAY, IF YOU DO, YOU WILL PAY FOR IT BY HAVING TO BUY MORE TIRES, ALIGNMENTS, AND DODGY CAR PARTS. Matter of fact, when purchasing rims, check to see if a camber kit is available for your car. I was quite surprised to find out that Honda Accords don't have a front camber kit! Camber can also be a life saver in making a tire fit while providing a compliant ride. I hate to say this, from my own personal experience, I never recommend going to dealership. However, dealerships, at times, have better alignment machinery than a run of the mill tire shop. Don't be cheap. Here in New Orleans there aren't a lot of high performance shops.
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
I said this before but gladly would illiterate that it is always best to pay a little extra to have your services done at a reputable dealer or a company that specializes in working with tuner rides.
You know its about to be a good week when Fitment Industries hits us with that double upload on a Monday. 🙏
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
BLESSED!🙏🏼❤️
Love your videos. Awesome work.
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir! 🙏🏼❤️
Thank you kanye very cool
If you haven't already done it, could you guys make a video explaining how camber kits work, and how to set them up? Like what to do with double wishbone setups, macpherson strut setups, etc, how and why they need to take different parts. Because I had a hard time finding caster plates for my integra until the internet people told me it wouldn't work. Also if there are any ways to adjust camber for function or auto x and get it dialed for maximum grippage with math and numbers if you can do such a thing.
lmao dude i love your channel man
7:26 that black nissan president is life.
@johnmorango3696
5 жыл бұрын
It was a y32 cima
Your mumble is on point!
I will love to see an episode that talks about performance alignment and suspension setup.
You are awesome for mentioning Inu Yasha
Please do a video on measuring for widebody fitment! I don't care if its boring. I can't find that stuff anywhere.
@MuShinnen
5 жыл бұрын
Kinda hard to do considering a widebody varies from car to car. How much of the fender you have to cut out, and then how much room you have is a bit tricky to determine.
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
We have a video with Jasper that we did this past summer, Although we might make a more in-depth video for you guys down the road!
@gabmax1013
5 жыл бұрын
Get a ruler and use the ole "I guess it will fit" I've learned the hard way on my car xD lol
Myth: Camber looks cool
@youtuberbayleexiong908
Жыл бұрын
Really it depends the set up to me
@baconheadhair6938
10 ай бұрын
@@youtuberbayleexiong908Yeah, it looks good as long as its not too much
Love the intro lmao. Mumble rap lmao
so keen to see some kansei wheels here in australia eventually
You're encouraging them Alex !!!!
Camber gang since 85' with the hot wheels! That's what alot of these cars remind me of that ride with camber. A little is nice and necessary to tuck wheels, I get it.....but I guess I'm just old school.
2nd comment but fr i love this channel i can confirm that they know what their doing i work at discount tire and bascially know everything about tires and wheels and "function"😅 so you can say I spent a lot of time in the fitment section on my free time on the computer messing with diffrent fitment selections🤙
Lol! Mumble rap? Nailed it!
I’d like to see a video on how excessive camber on the front axle benefits angle and grip at full lock for drifting and how angle kits with lower control arms push out the bottom of the wheel for more camber and angle vs. upper control arms that pull in the top of the wheel for camber which is usually for looks mostly. And why “drift car” setups are usually 0 camber in rear axle if not even a little bit positive camber while the front axle is upwards of -9 and why drift cars do that. Also bring to point that pretty much all Formula Drift cars are running a massive amount of camber in front.
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion if we ever get Jasper back maybe him and Brian can make that video! 🙌
that G35 you cut to was beautiful
Fitment Industries always doing the most... I know it's late but cograts on the 100k + milestone... Also how long does it usually take you guys to make a single video?
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Depends on the video but about 8 hours to film and edit!
He forgot to mention drifting, even formula drift cars have a decent amount of noticeable camber on the front to counter the angle the wheels have to turn at. A lot of cars at these shows are drift cars so you’ll see a lot of camber there. However, yeah most are just for show, and we love it 🖤
Ok I'm sure y'all talked about it before but could y'all do myths about flush fitment. Or like a How to guide for flush fitment
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Not really but we have something like this planned for a future videos we have a fair amount of fans who run flush fitment or really want to learn more about different fitments!
@worthlesstrash3704
5 жыл бұрын
Fitment Industries Yeah I wanted to learn more about flush fitment, kinda wanna run it on my first car
@Drunken_Hamster
5 жыл бұрын
@@FitmentIndustries make sure you do a guide for no gap, no stretch, "no" camber setup. That's my favorite.
@jellyg.8961
5 жыл бұрын
Please include the mexican flush style in that video as well.
You got my like just for mentioning Inuyasha
japan: ah yes, car culture. I think i will advance this on global scale one Midwestern boi: bazooka style
Camber actually became popular in the early 90s with lowrider civics and stuff running like 13 and 14 inch deep dish wheels I don't even believe it was a performance thing back then it was just the dish of the wheel is so deep that it bent the control arms and everything at odd angles and produced the camber look
That was the greatest intro in the history of this channel
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Bold statement cotton! 😅
I run -3 up front and -1.6 rear on my Integra and actually drive it on the track. Handles very well with 15x8 wheels and 225/45/15 Toyo R1R's
@lukesites2457
5 жыл бұрын
How much do you pay for your tires? I was considering the r1r myself
@djmix4ya
5 жыл бұрын
@@lukesites2457 like $600 shipped from tirerack. They might be hard to find right now since it's listed as "Extreme Performance Summer Tire". On the track they didn't begin to lose grip until toward the end of a 20min session. Came in a bit too hot and went off into the dirt. For daily use they were great. Being in SoCal I can't say much for how they handled in the wet, but on the rare occasion that I did drive the car in the rain I wasn't sketched out. Thinking about trying out Federal RS-RR's or Achilles ATR-K Sports this Spring/Summer.
@JoseLopez-pi5xr
5 жыл бұрын
You got coilovers? If so how low are you? I got around the same wheel size and tires(size) lol I want to slam it as much as possible but want to make sure the wheels fit under the fender,I could run camber but that's another expense and it's not like I'm tracking it
Excessive camber was used in serious racing back in the day. check out the Milliken MX-1
love the use of perth barbagallo race track from perth……… im from there and been there a few times……… 🤙
I run between minus 2-3 degrees negative camber at the front and have never had an issue with tyre wear. If anything my tyre wear is better and more even. I As long as your toe is in check. The extra camber is noticeable through the steering. Steering becomes a little heavier but when cornering you really feel the tyres stick a lot more.
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Great info man, We would love to see your ride sometime. You should upload some pictures to our gallery sometime! bit.ly/2obqAZQ
When I was younger I actually always taught that mustang was the coolest "exotic" car in the world, right after c6 corvette of course
* I GOT HOOOOEESSSSS CALLLINNN* 😂 YEAH SHECK WES!
@TheOrangeKou
5 жыл бұрын
I be out here in my caaaaaaar, Staaaaaaaaaalling!
@trapzillagaming3900
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheOrangeKou 😂😂😂😂
A little bit can be used to correct the ackerman/ contact patch at full lock too.
Really good video but i couldnt get over that one note in the background music. Kept making me think i was hearing someone smacking a pot with a spoon or something.
Why does that Odessey low key look clean af
Alex is a slanty boi at heart
I really dislike the look of excessive camber/stancey builds, but it was interesting to learn about it.
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Hey at least you learned something!
most of cars in the video clips and even the thumbnail is a VIP style car. Would be nice to see a video on what vip style cars 👌
That was a banger😂🎶
Please talk about D2 suspension. PS. Very informative video
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
A great suggestion we actually have a list of suspension companies we are going to be reviewing soon.
@Ricky94pr
5 жыл бұрын
I have D2 coilovers on my lancer sportback gts 💪💪
thank you for saying camber wear doesnt wear out tires quicker. camber wear just means the insides are more worn but my ls400 run -3 in the front and -5 in the rear and have to explain to a million people that toe is what kills tires, not camber. I also would add that -3 in the rear is almost never function in my opinion. I think -2 in the rear is function and -3 in the front is max for function but then again its all about how people set up their suspension and how they have their specific geometry
@savagesock3598
5 жыл бұрын
Andrew Miller id be ashamed to drive a cambered car
@andrewmiller1540
5 жыл бұрын
Crusty Sock well shit i’d be ashamed to have that trash ass “diss” on my channel so to each their own I guess
The only real function behind excessive camber to fit wide wheels is that sole reason, to fit the wheel without rubbing lip or tire too bad. Although excessive camber is still functional, as in you can still drive the car pretty much the same with the exception of tire wear increasing.
@fjosh6
5 жыл бұрын
Excessive camber would increase your stopping distance and slow your acceleration down depending on the amount of power due to the much smaller contact patch.
@Artics
5 жыл бұрын
Josh Frye you think anyone running excessive camber cares about that
@fjosh6
5 жыл бұрын
@@Artics Not until they slam into the back of another car because they couldn't stop fast enough. But, no, no they don't.
@Artics
5 жыл бұрын
Josh Frye driving around town you arent gonna know the difference when it comes to braking speed, it’s like having a big wing on your car, you arent gonna feel a difference until you’re going fast as hell
killed me with the europe/mustang comment alex XDD
For shits and giggles you should make your own version of mo momba 😂
6:54 I think the term you're looking for is itasha
Best intro ever👌
I want to get the 2017 Gt350 wheel set up on my 2016 mustang gt, but I was told it would poke out in the front by about an inch. Would caster camber plates fix that issue?
I got a question. What is the smallest tire u can fit on a 11.5 wheels, 225/35?
LOL! Holy crap that guy did look a lot like Elon and that got me laughing hard AF, thank you for that.
Anime style decals are called "Itasha"
Imagine a slammed chaser with 30° negative camber riding on two wheels. It will turn into 30 degrees of positive camber.
So I'm doing a Mini build for autocross. I'm considering very mild camber, but how would I decide how much I need?
People are really sensitive whether it be about functional or form.
2:41 Couldnt have said it better myself
Fella, love the knowledge. Sounds you get it. I’m trying to figure out the specific function of camber. I’m hearing on the track most cars run at -3 . Why? And why not -6 opposed to 0? Is that all 4 tires? Just fronts? Or just of?
Mumble rap lmao 🤣 😂 😆 😭
@MayamikoNkhoma-it3hd
3 ай бұрын
Hahahaha
It's called itasha, Mr. FunctionGuy. JK I love you Alex
camber kit is assential cant stress it
Nr1 mistake I see all the time - people throw coilovers on cars and don't retention and reset other suspension components , and forget about alignment. Usualy after lowering car you get excessive positive toe that rips your new Chinese rubber apart
Less camber but mod body to suit, is my go to.
Im slightly cambered, but my issues is negative camber. That shit kills my tires, and axles; I've replaced my axles twice.
the beginning sounds like my first trumpet class
The first time I noticed camber on a car was in the mid 90's in BTCC super touring days.... Back then the BTCC cars did run quite aggressive camber
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Were people more accepting back then to the little bit of camber they were seeing?
@retrophil8241
5 жыл бұрын
It was seen as a racing 🏁 thing. The BTCC has a lot of tight cornering circuits so the aggressive camber was a way at getting the family car base to take corners quickly.... Look up BTCC Super Touring for yourself. It's great motorsport. In the 90's the BTCC was the king of motorsports and manufacturers were throwing crazy money at cars. Renault paid the Renault Formula 1 engineers to build the Renault Laguna. So it was fast.
Really good video can't believe u complete missed the whole reason people run crazy camber on drift cars
Hi, I’m thinking to buy ‘86 for track. Doesn’t matter Subaru or Toyota. What would be your guys take on it?
simply because alex said slanty boi multiple times im gonna sub... :,)
Woo inuyasha!!! Haha. Love it
The miata clip at the beginning is taken at my old elementary school
@daddy.actual
5 жыл бұрын
weird flex but ok
Roland lass laufa! Oh Man i miss the old Days of Dtm 😃
One thing, in europe we don't think mustangs are cool. Because of all the viral videos we think that, that car kills people and slides 24/7
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
That's fair. 👀😅
“It’s the same reason that people overseas in Europe think Mustangs are cool” 😂😂😂
Hi. What is the setup for sedan to go comfy daily and stable at high speed?
Drop a dope mumble beat and song. Easy publicity.
@JohnMbanaja
4 жыл бұрын
Don't insult my culture
what is a good amount of camber to run on a daily driver that is also autocrosses? I have a 2017 Golf R I have a rear sway bar and APR lowering spring. I was thanking around -1 but I am not for sure on this trying to find out any help would be great.
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Shoot us an email at shop@fitmentindustries.com and we can help you!
Comeing new York soon planning too come.meet you guy
Bro just made a banger in the intro 😅
does -6 camber wear out wheel bearings, im wondering if i should run it on my miata. Thanks!
do you recommend putting camber kit for air suspension? only for show and daily driving not for tracks..
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Yes!
One myth that you missed was when people say as long at you camber the back wheel’s you can drift
I found a video about the “washer trick” to add camber. The dude said 5 washers on the bottom and 3 on top and adding washers as needed to match the other side. How well would that actually work?
My 04 g35 coupe has camber ware.whats a good camber kit? And are the small bolts that tightn on top the cambers and ball joints safe?
@FitmentIndustries
5 жыл бұрын
Hello, We can definitely help you with this! Shoot us an email at shop@fitmentindustries.com and we can get you hooked up with something!