Not VR anymore! Rest assured, appropriate corporal punishment will be administered to the responsible party.

@togiisuperheavytank

11 ай бұрын

Thanks Dawid I didn't have a VR headset

@DawidDoesTechStuff

11 ай бұрын

@@togiisuperheavytank Neither do I. :P

@rydoggo

11 ай бұрын

@@DawidDoesTechStuff I was debating using my phone but my vr insert is terrible.

@someguy9175

11 ай бұрын

how's your butt doing Dawid? after the corporal punishment and all

@jackielyon87

11 ай бұрын

I was going crazy trying to find the setting I changed when my phone was in my pocket.

I can attest to the fact that when Dawid switched out these PCs, our apartment genuinely cooled down by a noticeable difference. It was wild. Kinda like having an oven on. Warms up everything just a little too much.

@Reuben_Gamer

11 ай бұрын

You could use the older pc as an oven

@PopTickles

11 ай бұрын

One of those situations where "warming sensation" isn't good

@90lancaster

11 ай бұрын

Watching the video I had to wonder what the temperature was like inside the PC's cases too.

@TheSwayzeTrain

11 ай бұрын

My wife always gives out about my PC making the room stuffy. I recently decided to make some hardware changes, unlike David I chose violence. I'm getting a 7900XTX.....we're going to be cooking soon. Can't wait to surprise the wife. I will forever more have game with the windows open 😂

@moji3812

11 ай бұрын

Damn😆😆

Watched the original upload in 360. Definitely enjoyed seeing distorted Dawid's face.

@KyleRuggles

11 ай бұрын

Lol! It wasn't that long ago that 360 was THE standard lol.

@mobarakjama5570

11 ай бұрын

@@KyleRuggles I don't think they mean 360p.

@f1rr305

11 ай бұрын

that got me some great nightmare-ish screenchots

@MrGorpm

11 ай бұрын

It's Dawid BTW.

@Fender178

11 ай бұрын

@@KyleRuggles Not 360p but 360 degrees. It looks in the OG video that Dawid recorded himself using a 360 degree camera or using VR.

the noises Dawid makes when he flips the power switch on the power supply sure does make me wanna buy it even more

@ResidentIT_

11 ай бұрын

i spec'd my next pc with one of those psus. now i REALLY wanna get one

@villaorange

11 ай бұрын

Yea, that made me clicked the amazon link indeed. I closed that browser tab in a nanosec once I got a glimpse of that pricetag

@Grimmwoldds

11 ай бұрын

I don't think you are exactly sane. If you like the noise Dawid makes when he flips the power switch on the power supply, you need to 1)Buy a be quiet! *DARK* POWER PRO 13 2)Buy a Dawid

@malloot9224

11 ай бұрын

I have this PSU and it's every bit as hot as he sells it...

@marcogenovesi8570

11 ай бұрын

@@Grimmwoldds Dawids are expensive these days

Distorted Dawid will be forever etched into my brain.

@justinpatterson5291

11 ай бұрын

Pinhead Dawid is stuck in mine.

@stevejones69420

11 ай бұрын

He looked like the slimes from dragon quest

@moji3812

11 ай бұрын

Fr

@mikehajdu6154

11 ай бұрын

Dawid ASMR ftw...

@MurCurieux

11 ай бұрын

+1

Never forget the stretched 360 Dawid that was taken from us

@Foggy404

11 ай бұрын

Luckily I still have it for future viewing, plus it's still somewhat up

@AnnaDoes

11 ай бұрын

@@Foggy404 its just been unlisted but might be available if you saved it :D

@AchiragChiragg

11 ай бұрын

​@@Foggy404link

Radeon has a setting called Power Saving and also Radeon Chill that I use during the summer, and Ryzen has Eco mode. Both work pretty well to keep the high end hardware under control.

@stoneymahoney9106

11 ай бұрын

Chill is awesome, it dynamically limits your framerate depending on your keyboard and mouse inputs, when it's set up correctly it's unnoticeable.

@julienparent9691

11 ай бұрын

@@stoneymahoney9106 Yup and it works wonder when in game framerate limit does not work (like valheim or dyson sphere program)

@essexboy

11 ай бұрын

I've a Ryzen 5900x running a powercolor red devil 6750xt , I have it in eco mode because even with a nxzt water cooler aio it was hitting 85-90c

@MindBlowerWTF

8 ай бұрын

@@essexboyYou got it figured out? Maybe look into undervolting. 5600x also heat up with most stock BIOSes, so with undervolting You can gain performance and lower temperature. I went from like 85C to ~72C.

This is about the only channel I don't skip through his in-video ad even that is well written and enjoyable to watch 😂😂

I love how previous upload matched the theme of "stupid".

@uzuhl2

11 ай бұрын

i saw the original video and thought it was just part of the bit for the first minute or so

David: I'm going to build a system that draws less power Also Dawid: check out this 1300w psu guys!

@iris4547

7 ай бұрын

1300w psu would be pretty good for a high end system drawing in the region of 650w. psus are usually most efficient at 50% load.

@sporemaster97

5 ай бұрын

@@iris4547 I have a 1000w with a r5 1600 and gtx 980 lmao, idk if I'm even hitting 50%. And before you ask, I inherited it, I didn't buy a crazy PSU 😂

Dawid did a 180 on his 360 video which I think was the right angle to take.

@AnnaDoes

11 ай бұрын

😅

You should post every video in VR. Made me feel extra fancy.

@moji3812

11 ай бұрын

Right

@internet_userr

11 ай бұрын

​@@moji3812Oh. So if I get the joke I am not a verb

This is a pretty damn great vid. Chasing efficiency when building PCs should become more of a trend rather than going with the samey and boring balls to the walls configs. Very fun and you made me consider more this facet when I am gonna build my next PC

@emptyshirt

11 ай бұрын

I bought a 1660 Super in early 2020 because it was the most efficient GPU at the time. It still shows up in efficiency charts, though only impressive today for the low idle power draw.

@nadtz

11 ай бұрын

It has been a thing for ages. Maybe it's more of a European thing for the average single gamer PC setup because electricity costs more over there but as someone who does IT for a living TCO has been a part of building clients and servers for a long time. Homelabbers also generally care a lot more about this kind of thing for somewhat obvious reasons. The thing I'd have liked to have seen would have been a comparison of the original PC with undervolt tweaking to see how much less power that system could have used compared to the difference in performance as well as the difference with the new setup for a more fair before and after.

@DawidDoesTechStuff Effeciency is pretty good, there. But, what if building a system is not an option? It would be fun to see if that 11900K could be detoasterified.

@Blackwing2345635

11 ай бұрын

11900k is cursed, but IIRC still undervolts quiet fine

Went from a 980 Ti (~220W while gaming) to a 4060 (~115W) while gaming. With a power cap on the processor it’s a night and day difference on ambient temperatures while seeing double the performance. Guess going from 28nm to 5nm will do that.

@1O1O11

11 ай бұрын

People on KZread like to hate on the RTX 4060 and 4060 ti, but one thing they really have going for them is they produce a lot less heat than the RTX 3060 ti.

@stoneymahoney9106

11 ай бұрын

@@1O1O11 That efficiency is a lie - Nvidia have been selling gamers the worst binned dies off their production lines for a while now so they can sell the good stuff to data centres and laptop manufacturers. Nvidia always could have sold us a 3060Ti with half the power consumption but that would have ruined their market segmentation and pricing ambitions.

@trikop7575

11 ай бұрын

We've found one of the few people that actually bought the 4060

@AwSomeNESSS

11 ай бұрын

@@trikop7575 equal in price to a 7600/3060, my region doesn’t have the fire sale 6700/XT/50XT, so price/perf wasn’t that much better moving up a tier. Instead got a a cheap 2TB 4.0 drive for a few dollars more than the upgrade would’ve cost me.

@jesusbarrera6916

11 ай бұрын

@@Gatorade69 or if the 4060ti wasn't hot garbage that even loses to the 3060ti....

Makes the 15-25w in gaming handhelds(steamdeck and such) even more impressive given their performance. Would be interesting to see some direct comparisons.

@helicopter234

11 ай бұрын

Does it though? He is gaming at 1440p high while the handhelds mostly play AAA games at 720p often low settings. At those settings the desktop doesent use much power either.

@AchiragChiragg

11 ай бұрын

​@@helicopter234I think such desktops will draw 50W even after idle.

@Zellonous

10 ай бұрын

​@@AchiragChiraggthat's because power supplies are not efficient at low usage. Handhelds don't have that issue.

Good job. One of the more interesting build videos I've seen. I myself tend to forget about power draw and temperature when considering parts but now that I've seen this I'll make sure to reconsider. 👍

Thank you, watching again to see that sweet setup. The VR is a nice idea though... For future things perhaps. Maybe if you go abroad to buy another PC or something? :)

Such a clean and cool build!!

The 1% lows getting higher while unvervolting is quite shocking lol

@jebreggie4225

11 ай бұрын

it makes total sense if the gpu wasnt capable of maintaining the clocks consistently. companies push high clock speeds for marketing even if its not practical. gaming for hours needs consistent speed to hit your target framerate having a high boost clock wont help if the card gasses out and slows down because its going to look like youre getting stutters which means you would probably want to turn down settings anyway for a better experience.

@AliceC993

11 ай бұрын

@@jebreggie4225 I have a 6700 XT and it actually performs better when I drop the power target to -6% and lower the core voltage just a little bit. Or, I can just ramp the fans up a little bit. Both have the same effect.

@akshatsingh9830

11 ай бұрын

@@AliceC993 means its doing good generally these gpu have higher power targets and clocks to become first in benchmarks etc resulting in heat and lot of power draw . undervolting is a very under rated trick to lower temps without performance loss but only to a certain point lmao

@AliceC993

11 ай бұрын

@@akshatsingh9830 Yeah, my card is very picky about how far you can undervolt it; at stock clocks (2581 boost) it doesn't accept anything less than a 20 mV under without artifacting, but HWinfo says that actually results in about 1.14 V at the GPU instead of 1.18 (stock is 1.2). If I drop the boost clocks to ~2400 it'll go all the way down to 1.1v without issue.

@rubenalmeida1423

11 ай бұрын

@@AliceC993 i undervolted my 3070 to 950mV while raising the clocks to 1960mhz, but then i decided to go the extra mile and drop it all the way to 850mV, dropping the clock to 1860mhz, i lost an average of 3~5 fps in gpu bound games, but the power draw and temperatures were a massive success. the game i play withe the biggest power draw is divison 2 and that went from 260w to 180w (i have an aorus master with raised tdp) and the temps barely break the 55º ehrn before it reached 70 something

Insane how big difference it is between the 2(im happy im not using or need 600+watt to play at homw during the summer) Great video as always

@yumri4

11 ай бұрын

The only system i have looked at that draw anything like it was a system i was looking at for at home AI processing. To reduce my times for training from a week to a day and AI generated content from minutes to seconds. Why AI? Well AI is the new big thing so have to learn how to use it to be competitive in the job market. Still the price tag of around 4500USD to 6000USD is a price that is hard to swallow for a system that will also raise the power bill even when idle and generate a lot of heat when at 100% loads which will go on then off then on then off as AI gen is not a consistent load but on then off kind of then. Gaming probably is nicer to consumer hardware then AI software.

I do enjoy this kind of content. I often learn something new, and I'm always entertained. Keep it coming!

Love to see the efficiency, great idea!

Great video ! Enjoying the content! ❤

You should flip the fans around, exhaust helps system temps hugely in these systems

@MartinGibault

11 ай бұрын

Yes in particular in the Meshlicious !

@LordComdrGC

11 ай бұрын

I guess it all depends on components. With a 13700K and a 3080 my Meshy performs better with the fans on the AIO set to intake. I also did the 92mm top fan exhaust mod.

I think the difference efficiency makes when idling and gaming is massively underrated, so I'm really glad to see you exploring this so publicly! I'm in a household with four, regularly used, computers. For work, play etc they are very carefully balanced between performance and efficiency. I built them this way specifically with our electricity bill in mind! We have a art/work computer, two light gaming rigs for our two kids, and a gaming system for myself. All together at 100% utilisation all four systems would only just manage to use more wattage than a 4k gaming system, coming in at 700w combined, which is honestly kind of mind blowing. Thank goodness you're making that switch to efficiency, for your own sake and Anna's!

Awesome work, Dawid!

I always love seeing the meshlicious in videos, it's such a cool little case

i have a 5700x with a 4070, the powerdraw to performance ratio is insane. i upgraded a few months ago, before that i was using a ryzen 3600 with the rtx 3060 12gb. after the upgrade the powerdraw was nearly similar, while the performance drastically increased. an upgrade path i totally recommend btw

@Cris-P-Bacon

11 ай бұрын

Did you retain your PSU or also upgrade it along with the CPU and GPU?

@TheTryingDutchman

11 ай бұрын

@@Cris-P-Bacon i kept the same 500 watt psu, because it was only 18 months old and i do not do any overclocking. Although i would recommend 550 or 600 watts to have a bit more margin :)

@Cris-P-Bacon

11 ай бұрын

@TheTryingDutchman that sounds good! I also currently have a 3600 and 550w PSU and am looking to upgrade to a 4070.

@TheTryingDutchman

11 ай бұрын

@@Cris-P-Bacon your psu will be fine :) The 3600 will definitely become a bottleneck though, it wont be able to feed the 4070 enough data to get the most out of it. (It even bottlenecked my rtx 3060 in some games, i have some benchmarks on my channel) Going up to a Ryzen 5600 (should be plug&play) will be sufficient, however if you also do some video editing or want some '8 core bragging rights' (lol) the 5700x is perfect. Enjoy the 4070 :D

You and Brian seem to be the only ones that try to be practical about finding a sweet spot and not just the latest and greatest. Similar performance, but cheaper or more efficient makes more sense than a huge electricity bill.

Really awesome experiment that was a great success!

Ive been obsessing over power consumption for months regarding almost the same parts. Thanks for making this video, super enjoyable

4:50 Dawid - "Yeah I think I'll mount the radiator like this" GN Steve - "Why do I bother?"

@shanekearney78

11 ай бұрын

Thank you. I spotted that and I was beginning to doubt myself!

@TheMattaBase

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for mentioning this, I was hoping I wasn't alone in noticing.

Good to see that you found a more power efficient system and made even more power efficient by undervolting it. Also the 4070 has the same amount of vRAM or 2gb more of vRAM depending on what version of the 3080 you have. LOL you should use your 11900K system in the winter as a space heater.

@iris4547

7 ай бұрын

this is why i dont usually buy the top end. its a matter of diminishing returns. youll get 10% more performance for 200% the cost and 300% the power draw. i dont buy cheap by any means, but 1 or 2 steps down from the top end usually nets far better results and means you can upgrade sooner rather than holding on for dear life to the thing that cost more than the modern parts to replace it.

Nice video, informative, funny as always. Good job!

Your merch is hilarious and uniquely Dawid! I love it.

Very interesting how power efficient new graphics cards have become.

@gametime2473

10 ай бұрын

The 20 series were pretty power efficient. My 2070 draws like 179W max.

@MindBlowerWTF

8 ай бұрын

They have mostly been efficient. x080 and above and higher end 6800xt and above are the ones taking crazy power to run.

You should use Ryzen Master Curve Optimizer for the CPU, automatic undervolts each core :)

@ZAND4TSU

11 ай бұрын

Is it safe?

@lucidnonsense942

11 ай бұрын

@@ZAND4TSU yes. It can be bit optimistic and if you do a 24h prime 95 / y cruncher burn in, it might throw the odd error - just use the offset button to bring the voltage back up a notch. IMPORTANT - after you find the settings that work with Ryzen Master (it's AMD's 1st party tuning software) - put them in the BIOS, or you will lose them when you reboot/power down. (Unless you set Ryzen Master to fire up every time.)

@ZAND4TSU

11 ай бұрын

@@lucidnonsense942 hmm.ok

@ZAND4TSU

11 ай бұрын

Does undervolting mean that the PC will draw less power due to the reduction of Voltage?

@bafon

11 ай бұрын

@@ZAND4TSU Undervolting the CPU with Ryzen Master will drop the Volt on a per core basis, so that it does not draw more power than it needs to function safely.Less Volt equals less wattage being used for the same operation, and it is safe as the only thing that could possibly go wrong is instability under load, which is easy to recover from. On my 5900X the voltage is dropped significantly, less powerdraw and typical temp under load 60-65C, would definitly recommend trying it.

Nice! That's a pretty good drop in power with out loosing too much performance at all. 👍

Nice new rig Dawid!

Now that's what happens when Dawid decides to experiment a bit. He breaks stuff and then has to reupload it :-)

We weren't ready for the 360° 😅

The video in 360 gave me a newfound love for Dawid's beard

I was expecting a 7800x3d, or 5800x3d, but that's fine also. Generally, the 4070 should be faster at FHD, equal at WQHD and slower at 4k compared to the 3080.

@thejaegerbomber99

11 ай бұрын

I got a 4070 for my next build. The performance at 1080p is the same as the 3080 Ti, but consuming way less power.

@bootchoo96

11 ай бұрын

@@thejaegerbomber99 why would you want a top card for 1080p...?

@renerant

11 ай бұрын

@@thejaegerbomber99 according to TechpowerUps' 4070 Founders Edition launch review (April 2023), the 3080ti was "only" 6% faster at 1080p than the 4070, so it's quite possible that with 3 months of driver development, it is now almost equal. Though, at 1440p, the 3080ti was 11%, and at 4k 19% faster, and those gaps are too much to make up with driver updates.

@renerant

11 ай бұрын

@@mikeycrackson and you SEEM to think I was expecting x3d CPUs because of their performance, not knowing that the (at least the 8-core) V-cache CPUs are actually very very efficient, especially the 7800x3d...

@thejaegerbomber99

11 ай бұрын

@@bootchoo96 the 4070 isn't a top card by any means. If you were talking about the 4080 or 4090, I'd believe you, but the 4070 is an upper mid-range graphics card.

that's wayy better, now I don't feel like I'm having an acid flashback xD

I love that you're an ITX PC user! ITX is awesome

Much better. Trying to scroll around the "3D" video ball was certainly entertaining, but also terribly frustrating from a viewing standpoint, as everything not near center was terribly distorted. XD

Now without 360!

Doesn't an aio pull more power than an air cooler?

@Murasadramon

11 ай бұрын

That's fair, but I think that's kind of the tradeoff. It uses power, but offers a better cooling solution because there's less airflow potential in the smaller case where you'd be space limited for a larger tower block. There also doesn't seem to be a rear exhaust fan so this would offer a better compromise between cooling and space in a small system.

@anita.b

11 ай бұрын

Yes 0.1% of the total powerdraw, you solved the issue So smart

Brilliant content. I just wish there was one video a day 😊

Thankyou for re uploading

You really shouldve used AMD Curve Optimizer on the CPU, i was able to shave 25 watts off my 5600 with only a 2% performance loss.

You don't need to build a new system. Just set PL1 on the CPU in the bios to something more reasonable like 85watt, and set the power target on the GPU a bit lower in Afterburner. You can take it further and undervolt both.

@evrythingis1

11 ай бұрын

I think the point was to not lose performance...

Excellent vid, Dawid!

Definitely enjoyed this kind of content keep it up

That’s better! 😂

@ifourie418

11 ай бұрын

I feel like is not nearly as hilarious though 😂

We need more energy conscious builds like this!

the direction u mounted the aio has me crying

that first version certainly was an experience

Would be cool to hear what this means for you in terms of electricity bills.

@AwSomeNESSS

11 ай бұрын

Where Dawid lives, barely a difference. Average the two different stages of power consumption, it comes out to $0.10 USD/KWH. Now, if you’re in a country where it’s $0.4 or more, than you could see some noticeable savings.

@PyromancerRift

11 ай бұрын

250w = 1 dollar per 20h of gaming at 20cent a kilowatt. Given that you don't spend your money elsewhere when gaming, it's free realestate. Skip going to see barbie the movie and you can play 200h. People are overblowing the 40 series efficiency. The only tangible good side is temperature and noise if the card is overbuilt.

@AwSomeNESSS

11 ай бұрын

@@PyromancerRift the way I also see it is if you have the disposable income to be buying 3080/4080/3090/4090 cards, the extra $50-100 on the high end per year in costs with be almost unnoticeable in your general budget. If we’re talking the low end, then turning on the kettle one less time gains you back those couple hours of gaming time. Edit: some hard numbers - the difference between a 4060 and a 4090, gaming at SIX hours everyday, is $20 a month at 0.40/kWh. If you’re unable to eat that difference in power usage and your budget, why are you even splurging for a 4090 to begin with?

@TV-xv1le

11 ай бұрын

​@PyromancerRift 250 watts at 4 hours per day where I live is $6 per month. Around $70 per year. In the warm months that also means running the ac less as well. Stretched over a few years you save yourself a few hundred bucks. People forget about the increased cost of cooling your pc room. I had to run the ac in the late fall just to keep my pc room cool.

I like this kind of review, I don't think I have seen anyone else do it. I would like to see say an all AMD GPU, and a newer Intel CPU to see what they do under the same conditions.

@ARedditor397

11 ай бұрын

That is the worst combo for efficiency

looking forward to the next one man :D

I liked that you had a modern problem and showed your entire thought process towards fixing it! Related too 😂

Glad that Dawid's new pc was able to cool AND un-distort his apartment

5800x3d - this is what your cpu should be, you went crazy on the best of build, pulls less when gaming and way better gaming cpu. 4070 good choice. nice informative video

@Safetytrousers

11 ай бұрын

''the average power consumption of the Ryzen 7 5700X was only 73.5 watts, while the R7 5800X3D consumed more, averaging 89.4 watts.''

@jesusbarrera6916

11 ай бұрын

@@Safetytrousers average is not a good point of comparison, median is

@Safetytrousers

11 ай бұрын

@@jesusbarrera6916 Median depends on what you are doing with the CPU at any given time. It is a pointless measurement if you want to find out which CPU will use the most power over time.

This was awesome content!

LOL THE AD WAS SOOO GOOOD

Great video davvid

Thanks for the reupload

Great video. I think that power efficiency is something that's important to a lot of gamers but that doesn't get enough coverage!

Man I stumbled across this channel like two days ago and this is like the third time one of your videos pops up, now I have no choice but to subscribe. Thanks alot...

Always a great day when a Dawid drops a new video!

Thanks for uploading with normal vid, now i can watch it on my cooler again

I enjoyed how sweaty you looked Dawid.

Gotta say, I respect the wallpaper, the Eagle Nebula is my favorite!

Absolutely fantastic practical test. Still love the Fractal Case way more! However I wouldn't want to game next to the sun either. Cheers Dawid!

Hi from France! I love your videos!

@ZERARCHIVE2023

11 ай бұрын

La fierté de voir un camarade français ici !

I have the exact same Fractal North case and i absolutely love it... Your previous review on the case made me buy it! Thank you!

Lol! The opening clip reminds me of that movie in the 80's called Airplane when the pilot is sweating with water pouring down from his head.

Nice video. I feel inspired to do a high efficiency build.

How can you make pc stuff so fun to watch, after building for years I thought my time liking this stuff was over, but you have made it fresh again. Heat issue a low watt laptop board can do very well, I sit mine nest to my AC so it vents it right away.

Now, that's a trend that every techtuber should start promoting. Nice vid Dawid!!!

VERY-very informative. Nice !!

That's really impressive!

I enjoy this type of content.

Dawid should work in marketing, that be quiet segment will be etched on everyones brains for life!

Great video and something which is overlooked then building a gaming pc, power usage is also something to consider and to factor I’be hen building. This just goes to show how much power and money you can save but just a couple to configuration changes.

This was an awesome example of planning something out, executing, and seeing a real difference. Great video! Amazed that there was such a small form factor 4070.

@frommatorav1

11 ай бұрын

Is saying I've got a 4070 lying around, so I'll use it, really executing on a well thought out plan?

LOL, thanks man! Thank you for letting me know for that 45W Eco option in the Asus bios. Thank you and nice video as always!

so upset that i missed the original, brijg it back!

I have no idea about computers, I just like watching you build stuff. You’re a funny dude😂. You should call your big computer Godzilla

Well done on the new power efficient build! Not only are you helping to save the planet (somewhat, maybe), but you're also sparing our eyes from pixelated nakedness should the sun flare up even more where you live. ;-)

This was a breath of fresh air. I loved the comparison. It was shocking to see how undervolting made a significant increase in performance all while drawing less power. I loved this.

I love this kind of content, well done! Its so impressive how much performance for how little power draw you can get these days

This is top pc builder content :)

1:00 the sound that could rival the Garand "ping"

Dawid power switch orgasm is the loneliest soundbite ever

That's really efficient! Your entire system draws as much power as my GPU.

You should reupload the vr version, i missed out on the fun

I enjoy this kind of content. 😎