This is samizdat. Mainstream media is full of drivel and lies and mind boggling stupidity but the antidote is found in channels like this - two grown ups having an intelligent conversation. Amazing, and very encouraging. All is not lost.

@ld2906

5 ай бұрын

Samizdat. Like that. Good call.

@horacechapelon3900

5 ай бұрын

Two guys working with prestigious institutions. Samizdat indeed 🤪

@divergentsenior

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@ld2906 I love learning new words THANK YOU! Love this one. It is a PERFECT description of the current zeitgeist IMHO. For those who, like me, were unfamiliar with the word: samizdat /sä′mĭz-dät″, sə-myĭz-dät′/ noun The secret publication and distribution of government-banned literature in the former Soviet Union. The literature produced by this system. An underground press.

@dw5523

5 ай бұрын

@@horacechapelon3900 and both counter-cultural to those institutions and the governments which fund them. Samizdat indeed.

@richardchisholm5151

5 ай бұрын

Thank you, that’s a useful definition. There are astonishing parallels between Eastern Europe in the nineteen seventies and the West of today. In that decade East Germans used to watch television and scratch their heads and ask, what country are these people talking about? What was being said about East Germany bore no relation to the life going on outside their front doors. We increasingly read of people no longer watching the new ‘because it is so depressing.’ I think it is more because they simply cannot bear the streams of lies and distortion being fed to them, manufactured, polished, biased and mendaciously presented, by a news provider that has the effrontery to say on its website ‘Why you can trust the BBC.’ One wretch from the upper echelons of the state broadcaster recently used the expression ‘enemies of the people.’ We are on very dangerous ground. But take heart. If you shout at the television as you switch off and find yourself unsettled and upset, it means you are not swallowing the bait, you are not going along with the lies, you are still able to recognise falsehood when you meet it, and take appropriate steps to access trustworthy sources.

John is such great guy turning down all those high paying positions on corporate boards to give us these superb interviews.

May God grant to the West many more great men like James Orr. Cometh the hour...

@sisiphas

5 ай бұрын

And may God grant us the insight to recognise great and good men and women when we come across them. John Anderson was always a good man, not sure enough of us in Australia appreciated him when he was a politician here. We do now!!!

I’m a psychologist psychotherapist horrified by the over psychologizing of Americans.

@AB-mo9ku

5 ай бұрын

Not just America, it’s also in countries that indulge in the “self”.

@sisiphas

5 ай бұрын

@@AB-mo9ku. We are very strong on over-pathologising people’s behaviour in Australia too. Fashions in ‘medicine’ here are being horribly compelled governments in hock to ‘advocates’

@delightfuldissident859

3 ай бұрын

Same here!

The beautiful clarity of this man.Thanks,John.

@barrywhite36

5 ай бұрын

The world needs a massive revival in Jesus. The spirit and wisdom of god needs to come back into society.

Dr Orr is an intellectual treasure. The questions posed were excellent and his answers stimulated a discussion the likes of which rarely appear in our media.

I work with kids who can not attend mainstream school and I tell them all the time. We have forgotten what got us here. The modern midset would have resulted in the demise of modern civilisation. It's easy to criticise history, but it is hard work, dialogue, and sacrifice that build our civilisation.

James Orr is incredible. One of my favourite speakers from this space.

THIS IS A REMARKABLY INTELLIGENT AND SENSIBLE EXPLORATION OF TOPICS ABSENT SLOGANS AND AQBSOLUTISM OF THOUGHT AND IDEAS

Amazing interview. Loads of notes taken and replaying to clarify my understanding... Thank you guys for this great discourse 💜✝️ N.Ireland

Amazing conversation. Privilege, pleasure, and rewarding to listen to.

Appreciation and blessings from Sydney Australia .

Thank you so much Dr. Orr, truly enjoyed your conversation! I became aware of you through the “Exodus Lectures” and it was such a privilege and honor to sit and learn from you and the other intellectuals on the forum. Thank you for your contributions to the world 🌎. It’s the miracle of the internet 🛜 that makes this gem lectures possible. I feel grateful to you and all the amazing minds such as Dr. Peterson for helping people like me understand the miracle that is “our Lord”. 🙏✝️👏👋🏼

I discovered this channel only in the last month. It's wonderful. I don't think it will hurt this channel for me to inform viewers that there is another remarkable channel on KZread, The Empire of the Mind. The host is a Christian, at least he announces himself to be one. He does long, brilliant analyses of cultural artifacts of our era, the great majority of them, movies. Highly recommended.

Wonderful food for thought! Thank you for this conversation. Couldn't agree more with our own moral feelings needing to be reclaimed rather than projected as some condition, or medical 'diagnosis', a label leaving us without any agency to actually deal with the complexity of being a human; needing a conscience, whether that is based on a higher/deeper principle, or just the principle of honouring our intuitions and deeper knowledge of what is right and wrong in the context of our perceived complex predicament as a person in process- always in relation to our changing world.

Dr James Orr is a great speaker, always a pleasure to hear him. Nice interview with him by John Anderson, who shares a birthday with King Charles being the King's junior by eight years. Dr Orr was excellent in Dr Peterson's Exodus Bible study series.

I have deep skepticism of psychologists and the American Psychological Association. They change DSM mental illness classifications using a single study and at the behest of protestors. I would also put to them the issues we are having around gender dysphoria and affirmation being the best way to treat it.

@barboglesby2162

5 ай бұрын

We don't have therapy or counseling anymore. Since Obama actually threatening to take the licenses away of any mental health professional not using Affirmation Care for Homosexuality, there has just been a mental health dash to appease the WOKE and Democrats in political power. The Leftist powers that be held licenses and funding hostage to their demands during the Covid-19 pandemic too. Our mental health professionals are too afraid to do real therapy anymore, and our universities are worthless. They certainly aren't going to teach anything but the Left's sick WOKE religion and fantasy thinking like 86 made up genders and trans fantasies. There isn't a shred of science to back up any of their preposterous hypotheses. In fact, quite the contrary. There is tons of established science that contradicts the very unhealthy ideas today's counseling pushes.

This was a GREAT interview! I wish I could just have a conversation with Dr. Orr, seems like a great mind here in the UK, and certainly in these current times!

Excellent talk. Thanks ❤

This was fantastic, peace be with you both

Loved this thank you. I was a Philosophy and psychology major 20 years ago, and listening to the discussion on the disempowerment of the individual through pathologising was the reason I could not continue on to masters in psychology. Philosophical study is such a valuable tool for life. I have never earned a living from it but I don’t regret ever studying it. And as I get older, it makes kite and more sense… especially given the world we live in now. Critical thinking is critical

Just such a breath of fresh, insightful thinking and clarity on the real deeper issues around existence and societal truth. Thank you both.

Thank you so much for this interview with a man of great good sense, humour and humanity.

Thank you both! Wonderful discussion. Brilliant minds. Many points resonated especially the distinction between contract and covenant; that a man who knows only his own side, knows very little (JS Mill). And all the rest of the chat. There is cause for some optimism yet.

As someone from the US, we are living the philosophy of German theories exported to our shores. One has to wonder why those in the Frankfurt institute were allowed in when their ideology was the overthrow of our culture

Narcissists don't want responsibility they want to blame and seek pity. Insanity plea gets murderers out of prison.

@user-bl2lu2nx2u

5 ай бұрын

You. Are. So. Correct 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

Wonderful 😊

Orr brings amazing clarity to the contrast between Christianity and Relativism. THANK YOU John Anderson for the incredibly insightful dialog introducing us to Orr.

Two great men! Very good interview

"Silence is violence!" DO WHAT I DEMAND!

An impressive intellect. Thank you.

As someone who had religious education early and then drifted away from that way of life, and later had a deep interest in philosophy, this discussion has given me great pause and impulse for self reflection. We take for granted that Gen. Washington crossed the Delaware, but we doubt that there was a man named Moses who spoke to a higher power in the form of a burning bush.

@LevisH21

5 ай бұрын

the problem with philosophy is how some philosophers are absolutely trash but are still called intelligent or even moral people. for example maybe leftist socialist philosophers, French philosopher and in the US, idiots like Noam Chomsky are the worst of humanity. it's because if people like them, we end up with dictators that get inspired by their garbage work.

Loved listening to this conversation, so much to think about!!

Reason resonant with the heart💗

Fabulous chat, thanks gentlemen. Difficult, so difficult....... THE LONG TERM CYCLE: Humans are moving to a ONEWORLD, intermingled homogeneous grouping. Why? Way back in time people roamed, to ease the burden they gathered in Villages, being intent on preservation one Village was fearful/suspicious of the next Village. Wars were fought for preservation/accumulation of resources. They struck peace and joined to form a Town. Repeat: the Towns were suspicious and went to War. Peace broke out. Towns formed into States/Provinces. Wash and repeat. State/Provinces went to war, peace broke out and formed a Country. We've been at this stage for a while, with many notable examples of Country's warring, always for the same sorts of reasons/excuses. The next obvious step now is Country's make Peace once again (when ??) and the WHO, WEF, UN, World Bank etc take control of the planets rules/operating system....Oh yeah that's happening now, ummmmm!! Just why did every country implement similar 'rules' early in 2020 within weeks of each other.....because the rules were being made by someone above the village, town, state, country level I guess :) This War / Peace history has always been aided by the 'technology' of the time....nows no different! Enjoy the ride : SHORT TERM: (our short lifespans) it appears to us (and is real to us on a daily basis - the only reference we have) we see/live amongst turmoil....and therefore we can enjoy such wonderful 'being present' issues.....conclusion: this is why WE can't fight the tide, it's human nature at work!

An absolutely brilliant discussion.

Brilliant = good ideas masterfully expressed. Thank you gentlemen. Definitely listening to this several times.

When will John Anderson run for prime minister?

@banta-pd8zj

5 ай бұрын

This bigot? He had several years as a deputy PM in the government of John Howard, a PM who repeatedly used the race card to win multiple elections and who so divided the fabric of Australian society that even with the unreserved assistance of that fascist Murdoch, was run out of town and lost his golden conservative seat to the Labor Party, a remarkable, unparalleled achievement legendary in the annals of Ozzy conservatism. So, to answer your question, John Anderson is now committed to be a full time propagandist knowing full well that only richard-heads like yourself would contemplate wasting their vote on him.

@kenelmtonkin7722

5 ай бұрын

He ran for Senate preselection. A majority of National Party preselectors opted for a former Young Liberal president instead.

In 1992, Weddell Watters, MD, published a book entitled 'DEADLY DOCTRINE', which was an examination of what happens when Christianity goes 'bad'. What Dr Watters failed to grasp, throughout the entirety of that book, was that there is one phenomenon - common to Judaism, Christianity and Islam - called 'scriptural literalism' or 'religious fundamentalism'. This has the potential to turn 'good' religion, into 'bad' religion: because it starts with the text, and shapes humankind around the texts: rather than, as in Mark 2:27, starting with human beings. This is also the first discussion I have encountered where an Academic raises the question as to why contemporary society refuses to take the Koine Greek Christian texts as being in any way informative: whereas the works of Homer or Aristophanes are treated seriously, as 'ancient texts'. There appears to be a selective rejection of the Chrustian texts. I wonder whether the fundamentalists have put people off?

I have tried to discuss issues with feminists but it usually ends up with them saying 'you're making it too complicated' or 'we will just engage in a war of words'. My idea is that discussion about substantive issues should be about finding common ground. But feminists seem to feel they have already won the debate and don't need to discuss anything.

Blown away. Have experienced great angst over the idea purported by many modern psychologists that "evil" does not exist except as a "religious" concept. And that only science holds the truth. My mind and soul sing with the truths Dr. Orr illuminates.

Keep it coming John

Love listening to James Orr - Thanks for this conversation! Apprechiated what Dr. Orr contributed to the Exodus series, and the way he did it. Can’t wait to follow his talk going forward.

Wonderful! More, please! ❤❤❤

Brilliant, many many thanks.

Hello Mr. Anderson, I enjoy your interviews and really like your intro music

Best theme music of any podcast

The "mental health" debrief was fascinating

We have a society, which no fault of anyone's, does not know how to emotionally regulate themselves in a healthy manner. Why we have people who eat too much, drink too much, work too much. All stems from having caregivers who themselves were never taught how to value/accept/love/forgive themselves. When someone puts their hand up and says, my current method to regulate is no longer working for me, we should cheer for them, and support their new found path. This is were religion/spiritual and holistic therapeutic approaches can go a long way in helping bring the best out in a person, and overcome any western mental health diagnosis. Living a fulfilled and successful life.

Doesn't even matter if you tell people to embrace the land when they just want an upgrade, not your values. Then they import friends and family so their culture can thrive in a wealthy location. Rarely does anything change. It's not a cure to world division, just imports it and creates local issues.

Thank you for freedom to teach and limits-freedon complexity conversations.

Great

Nice

I see James Orr, I click.

brilliant interview. since main stream media becoming legacy & we are swamped with opinions (often thinly disguised hateful ideologies) instead of facts, we see strange phenomenon of loyalties to party/ movement/ etc are more important than truth. latter is something one expects in socialist regimes like Cuba or China or USSR. lack of knowledge of history without whitewashing is confronting. facts are mixed with feelings and "i feel like" or "my truth" are prominent phrases. we need to speak with clear language. this is the first step. we have to challenge each and every slogan. instant gratification & participation trophy need to be confronted too. as for a debate with poorly educated people or intelligencia harbouring racism, we have to try. it's hard, but it needs to be done simultaneously with cleaning our educational system.

Very intellectually stimulating!

I agree diagnosing someone (placing them in a box) and prescribing medication only, that treat the symptoms only, falls somewhat short especially when the main driver behind a therapeutic culture. That said, culture can benefit from integrating holistic approach to mental health and religious values. Do not throw out the baby with the bath water as JP says. Most mental health issues stem from unresolved big T and little to trauma, unhealthy shame and an inability to connect to ones emotions. People are not to blame for their trauma, however they are responsible to empower themselves, to do the work, and healing it from its core. This can coincide with religious beliefs and principles. To forgive ourselves and not to judge others. He who has not sinned cast the first stone, learning what hides in our shadows and what we project onto others can go a long way in helping to bring us closer together. This is a societal responsibility to provide the best opportunity to descover their authentic selves, connect to what it is they have been seeking externally, finding it within, and then sharing their spiritual health and wealth with their loved ones and greater community

This is a good ASMR episode at the right volume

Important interview that highlights the problems these days. Everyone is feeling victim every one is feeling miserable. And it’s ok being a victim and miserable is institutional

Faith is concomitant with an active thinking process. Faith is not a suspension of a reasoning activity but the willed maintenance of a reason activity required to adopt an open comportment to what is potential in order that it become actual. Philosophy alerts us to the potential by way of the activity required for becoming alert, such activity becoming the inner faculty for experiencing itself as I AM. It is a new creation out of what is there in potential all of the time. It is the actualising not of a teaching but of an actual incarnated Being. Faith is the faculty by which we suppress the habit of distraction by deploying the always-prior activity of living thinking, in concentration, in prayer and meditation. It is the pistis part of episteme in action. It is not a philosophical activity ABOUT some idea but the force in us by which we actualise ideas of any kind.

Please, please, please tell me that Eton made up at least a small portion of Dr Orr's education.

no one finds god when life is easy, todays society is very soft and very easy

Consider the great contrast between contract and covenant, the one being temporary with provisions for dissolution, and the other being permanent with no provision for dissolution. Then ask, which one is the model for marriage? And if it reflects the second, then when did it morph into the first?

Refuse to cope with reality then attempt to punish people for their failure.

Why do u photograph them from below? It makes these men look like they are seated in small chairs.

Therapy has created a culture of narcissists.

@EmperorsNewWardrobe

5 ай бұрын

I think this is it. ‘My truth’ is the phrase that says it all, which is the height of epistemic arrogance as given license by therapists not wanting to resist. It should be ‘my view of the truth’, which fixes both issues

@greg9088

5 ай бұрын

@@EmperorsNewWardrobeThat is not what therapy is at all. What is your experience with it?

@AmanitaWoodrose

5 ай бұрын

@greg9088 I think the latest DSM, big pharma corruption and the recent 'affirmation' woke victim approach have been the final nails in the coffin

Our contemporary dialogues and human relationships integration - contribution.

The "M" words - I like it !

Classical thinking is 1,000 times more important than modern liberalism.

Interesting that you would not want to be a satrap of Harvard, New York, Hollywood, and Silicone Valley. We feel the same, and we are in the USA. Most of us find those locations and their ideas loathsome.

Law's loss is philosophy's gain. Forensic mind.

@21:30 or so. Of course people don't rise from the dead, based on our uniform experience. That is *precisely* the point. A narrative that predicts a particular person rising from the dead, and then he does, means something. If Jesus didn't rise from the dead, no one is surprised, not least his disciples. But if he does, that is additional information of great significance.

20:50 Belief comes from hearing the Word. And belief is a gift from the Holy Spirit. Ive seen people argued into a logical corner in which faith in Christ becomes intellectually obvious. And yet, they respond, "I know. But, I don't believe."

@davidhawley1132

5 ай бұрын

I believe God has to touch us in a sensible way. Because what God demands is relationship, not intellectual assent.

Never thought I'd see James quoting a Colombian philosopher 🇨🇴

@GodsOwnPrototype

5 ай бұрын

DaVila has an underground cult following

It seems to me that Dr. James Orr fails to understand that for the Church Fathers it is impossible to will evil _qua_ evil, only under the aspect of the good. Aquinas says as much himself. The will is _always_ orientated towards the good. So, the question becomes: why do we sin? And the answer given can only be ignorance. The Church Fathers regarded sinners as akin to madmen. I think that the Church has a more therapeutic notion of sin and evil than Dr James Orr admits.

@Christus.Invictus

5 ай бұрын

Another relevant verse I failed to mention earlier about how Human pride is the core issue on sin and beyond can be found in James: But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Be wretched and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you. James 4:6‭-‬10 ESV

You have NO IDEA, THE DAMAGE THAT MENTAL HEALTH “OFFICIALS” DO TO PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.😢

"Liberalism can't handle limits". This is a very bad take. It was John Locke - the father of liberalism - who described the State of Nature and suggested that a social contract be entered into to form government as a protection. There's the limit on freedom right there.

We all have sinned (Romans 3:23 KJV). The Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, got buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved (Romans 10:9 KJV). Good works CAN'T get us to heaven (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV). Water baptism DOESN'T save us (1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV).

I still haven’t heard a sensible answer to the question of where on earth was the IDF and Mossad on 6/7 October?

A therapeutic society cannot deal with responsibility for one's actions and the consequences and the need to make reparation ...... is this why people are so angry and unhappy?

This guy's fkn smart

It's not my job to prove Christ is real and lives in us today, that is His Job and quite capable as He has proved by His power in my life “If a man love Me, he will keep My words; and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him and make Our abode with him."

They're like "but we can get rich billing insurance!" 🤮

No Harvard bends to the woke generation. College students needed their “safe spaces” here in the US.

Circa 15 min mark: My children were watching a parade of floars they did not know what floats had not passed by but they knoew the ones that had passed by. A helicopter hovered above. The pilot could see the beginning from the end he could see all the floats. He was not able to change the sequence of the floats but he knew then all. So it is with God He sees the beginning and the end but He does not impose anythin. He knows whwat we will do and how we will react before we do it. One is free to make any choice. God has seen it beforehand but He allows you to select whatever breakfast you like, it is just that He knows what you will do, there are no restrictions.

" Divertissement " in French means entertainment, not diversification.

The Second Religiosity is here..

this professor is wonderful why is he talking to Jordan Peterson who is new to the bible and doesnt know anything about philosophy?

While I agree that scientism and natural realism is very arrogant, it is equally arrogant to therefore pressume that the Abrahamic faiths have any more philosophical value than other. Dualism is just false.

Free speech? Pretty sure you just deleted my comment. Have a Merry Christmas.

@liamsouthwell27

5 ай бұрын

nah it's still here, ya good 👍

@kapasian9009

5 ай бұрын

​@@liamsouthwell27I suppose he was referring to other comment of his, which was deleted.

@Christus.Invictus

5 ай бұрын

Sometimes it can be a number of things that cause a comment not to be seen including preset limits on length of reply, not allowing all links to attach (trying to reduce spam or viruses to the group) can be an error of a moderator, or even just needing to reset the app or phone, or possibly even KZread itself being the cause of edits with their algorithms. Not necessarily this Channel trying to limit speech per se. I've had similar things happen various times on KZread that were corrected by trying a number of the things I I've mentioned above and then saw my comments stick.

@ph8077

5 ай бұрын

Probably Alphabet's narrative censorship bots...90% of my comments giving opinions on the topics at hand, as opposed to these kind of posts are shadow banned & usually not by the content creator.

I was listening until 1:10:07. Then the supercilious voice. Should we have bombed Bilbao because of ETA? Do the killings in the West Bank matter? Is a child blown up in their bedroom different to what? When we can't work thing out we resort to violence. Palestine and Israel should be MADE to work this out.

It might be useful for Orr to learn a bit more about what he is talking about for his musing to have more value. He clearly has no understanding of the topics like anxiety and grief beyond his own narrow privileged experience. He comes off at times as smug and dismissive.

@GodsOwnPrototype

5 ай бұрын

I didn't take that; on those topics I took his position to be that it is not for a bureaucracy the lay down the definitional parameters to launder human feelings into statistics and profitable sources of market action.

@aidanpelly144

5 ай бұрын

@@GodsOwnPrototype He doesn’t understand the difference between e.g. GAD and everyday anxiety or grief and MDD. I’m not a fan of the pathologizing lens, but his points discredit themselves of any value as it’s clear he hasn’t spent the time to read and learn first but just blandly seems to rely on his own experience and conclude spurious generalisations.

From tittlo..multiculturalisme its :we learn from eachothers the good and bad things..with desire or out desire.. Religion (christianisme)after crime go for forgiveness ..which its not correct..because who makes one time crime ..will do sec.or more after forgiveness..christians are the most violent religion in history.. Therapeftic..age .means we dont have lost the train..wisdom its nice for old people..(philosophy)..because young and middle age bothers from wis....people around in real everyday street or elles are the true.figure of every socity..

These people whining that society stifles then wouldn't survive in the society they think they wished they lived in cause they'd most likely be dead because they happend to be walking too slow or standing in someones way. Don't tell all of my selfish desires should be celebrated then expect me to respect you 😂

No way, I'd be ligh BRUH. LET'S PARTY. PAPERWORK SUCKS 😂

30:10 - Gnosticism on steroids

I don't mean to be critical but what I've observed is this video could have taken much less time if he wouldn't repeat every other word three or four times. He's painful to listen to ¿`_

@psyskeptic9979

5 ай бұрын

He doesn't repeat hardly any words

Of course Science is always a work in progress, point taken, but to say therefore, we're all gonna go hangout in Yahweh's country club in the sky and sip martinis forever? C'mon bro.

Where is this god that you speak of 🤔

@in_paradiso_58

5 ай бұрын

Closer than what you think...

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