It is super interesting to see how complex Moto GP is getting with their aero.

@jake88ci

3 ай бұрын

Yes motogp is the class of tech and innovation old timers and japanese anboys want it gone.BUT at the high hp and seed of todays bikes its needed not an option..dropit and riders will be crashing allover the track

@Vforfreedom

3 ай бұрын

Its garbage!!!

@davidvanbrunt4233

2 ай бұрын

​@@DieWitness Famous last words....

@microsoft790

2 ай бұрын

@@jake88cithey weren’t crashing all over the track before the aero started, don’t be ridiculous

"Hey Adrian, should we put Stegosaurus on our bikes?" Adrian: "hold my beer..."

The ducatti diffusers are genius, amazing job

The aero war is probably going to turn MotoGP into F1 tier racing, i.e. not much of wheel to wheel action and relying on mistakes from the guy ahead to make the pass. So, it's not very reassuring to see the aero getting even more sophisticated, we know from F1 how that turns out. That being said, these aero-developed bikes looks so damn cool, the rear wings in particular give it an awesome aesthetic. Can't help but appreciate the engineering put into them, even if the racing turns out to be a bore.

@askeladden450

3 ай бұрын

I dont think it will be anywhere near as bad. LMH, junior formulas etc also have lots of aero surfaces but still produce good racing. Secondly, I don't think the bikes would produce anywhere near as much dirty air due to the size of the surfaces, but someone more knowledgeable than me can tell better.

@WereSmarterThanThis

3 ай бұрын

it's already becoming a problem with respect to overtakes, and can create unsafe slipstream situations (as was seen when Martin almost rear-ended Pecco)

@vincesalamander5980

3 ай бұрын

For now races are FAR from being boring In fact, the hierarchy is as close as ever The main problem is the pilots, who are in danger because they're so close and they lose so many aero suddenly But Moto GP work to reduce the aero (and the speed of moto) But the actual régulation will end in november 2026...

@Schmitzelhaus

3 ай бұрын

@@WereSmarterThanThis THAT is exactly my problem with the current direction development in MotoGP has taken! All this aero doesn´t really add anything to the racing itself, makes overtaking even harder as you said, and does create a a way bigger risk than people are seeing right now. I don´t even wanna imagine, what would´ve happened, if Martin didn´t manage to squeeze by Pecco...he easily still was going at like 100mph and there was nothing he could do...

@captaintoyota3171

3 ай бұрын

At least in bikes we got wsbk for more stockish machines. F1 has no similar series

I like how the wings look lol. It makes the bikes look menacing.

@manoz6194

2 ай бұрын

Got some Darth Vader looks on some of them!

Aero appendages and diffusers = Yes. Wings protruding from the rear and front = Absolutely fucken no.

@alesksander

3 ай бұрын

who cares. F2007 cars were most sick machines ever. :D

@Apexseal1

3 ай бұрын

a man of culture@@alesksander

@davidaugustofc2574

3 ай бұрын

​@@alesksander man of incredible culture

@inevespace

3 ай бұрын

But they don’t protrude more than the handlebar

@bennyb.1742

3 ай бұрын

@@alesksander Double front wing, viking helmet Merc has entered the chat.

Quality analysis as always

Could you do a video overview about key MotoGP aero rules, regulations, and restrictions?

This is starting to look like the pinacle of motorsport. Teams even have real names

@alesksander

3 ай бұрын

viewing numbers are lower by factor of 10

@davidaugustofc2574

3 ай бұрын

Bikes with exposed Carbon and very little liverie

@juaneer

3 ай бұрын

​@@davidaugustofc2574that's how they always look in testing

@davidaugustofc2574

3 ай бұрын

@@juaneer well, that's interesting, maybe they're secretive about the actual shape of the bike? Either way it's a funny coincidence for me that F1 and MotoGP have the same graphic designers this year

@ducedevlstear2471

3 ай бұрын

TF is factor of 10 ​@@alesksander ?

Thanks for posting!

Finally anothe motogp video 💪🔥

I'll be hanging out over at WSBK

Love to see entire grid squatting before race ❤

congrats on hitting 50k subs dude, that's a big milestone, halfway to the silver play button!

Thank you for this

What kind of restrictions do they have in aero development? The position of the wings is dimensions,kind of....

@raveecity

3 ай бұрын

no aero specific regs really. the bikes just have to fit in a special box and thats pretty much the restrictions for the size of everything on the bike

@NotABot-px7ky

3 ай бұрын

motogp hasnt been doing aero for long enough to have serious restrictions. We'll see that come in the future, once the regulating body decides its a problem.

@fix0the0spade

3 ай бұрын

The front wings all have to be a closed loop without end fences or sharp edges. The rule came about when a rider (Pedrosa maybe? I forget) got their leathers sliced open a few years ago by a Ducati. Other than that not much, there's a limit to how many aero layouts they can use in one season, but no limit on the difference between those layouts.

@ohhited

3 ай бұрын

Motogp currently have very minimal aero regulations, I'm afraid. Those redbull f1 engineer already having so much fun finding freedom to implement their prowess on Aprilia bike. While f1 aero regulations being so tight. Hahaha...

@12th.jahlil

3 ай бұрын

The ground

Top motorsport categories should do as much crazy shit as possible so we can see how fast they can REALLY go. I dig these aero advancements for that reason alone.

Such and amazing video. Greetings from a Brazilian subscriber.

Good video, as always. What do you think about very long exhaust like the one on the GasGas bike? Its for more torque? Because it seem like the rear two cilinders of the v4 engine have shorter exhaust lenght than the front two cylinder. Ducati tested a long exhaust too. The hot gas exiting the side exhaust (in the short version) doesn’t create a difference in aero conditions between the right and left side of the bike?

@Lockdown9697TRF

3 ай бұрын

Maybe they can use that to create a blown diffuser 😅

Its cool from a technical standpoint. But I'm quiet worried that it will kill the racing just like it does in F1.

now i guess next year the rear wings will have DRS flaps as well.

@guest6423

3 ай бұрын

Why aren't they putting wings and flaps on the riders?

I love the diffuser approach but hate the wing approach

@rafaellastracom6411

3 ай бұрын

Totally agree.

@CyanRooper

3 ай бұрын

The wings on the Aprillas and the Yamahas aren't too bad, I think they look kinda nice. The wings on the KTM look horrible though. It's like someone was playing Need for Speed Underground 2 and thought, "hey wouldn't it be cool if could modify my bike like how I modified my Civic in this game?" And that's how we got those ricer crotch rockets.

@TassieLorenzo

3 ай бұрын

@@CyanRooper But the irony is that the KTM and Ducati bikes are good at aero, while Honda and Yamaha are hopeless?

This is technologies competition,not a motorbike races

I am, sorry We are looking out for your video on the AMR24

Thanks. They're starting to look extremely sophisticated aerodynamicly.

They should ban the wings and stick to the diffuser parts. Maybe ban wings and stuff that sticks out above 50 cm from the ground. That way the racing and following closely isn’t affected, but we still get really cool aero development. I love the underbody of the Aprilia btw!

Motogp bikes can reach over 300kmh easily, like it or not, it's inevitable that team will gain huge advantage from aero developments.

Next : Double diffuser DRS Fairing Will be mandatory attached to Halo.

About the CAD program, is the CATIA license is permanent I can use anytime after done? Or only can be used on current program?

@BSport320

2 ай бұрын

You will get the 3dExperience licence (Catia V6) for the duration of the course + around 6 weeks.

Im really curious... What if there's a sudden swing in the aero regulations and tighten of restrictions. I think Aprilla is in the best spot should it happen.

WSBK world super bike aero innovations video please

Aprilia package is working on front end grip

one day we will have a triumph motoGP team with help from the aston martin F1 team... you just gotta believe

@dmrtagge6274

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂 everything is possible , one day we will have mechanicaly actuated DRS on GP bikes

@haluyolo7568

2 ай бұрын

​@@dmrtagge6274that sounds cool tbh seeing drs on bikes

Is there DRS in MotoGP yet?

Creativity like in F1 in the 70s.

ok im 44 years old and ive had this idea in my head since i was 10 years old, can anyone with practical knowledge please tell me why is downforce always on sprung areas of a car or bike? since i was 10 ive thought downforce should be on unsprung part of a vehicle like wheel hubs or control arms, or a bike swingarm or front wheel connected to lower fork, downforce 100% more efficient and the suspension would be alot more efficient too.

This is getting ridiculous... What's next ? A fan bike ?

@albertomoschin7179

3 ай бұрын

Don't give them ideas 😂

@marfrandema1884

3 ай бұрын

One can only hope

@Apexseal1

3 ай бұрын

blown diffusers are going to happen, aprilia are already trying to do it with the rear aero@@albertomoschin7179

@davidaugustofc2574

3 ай бұрын

It seems you're not a huge fan of downforce

@bernardoberner4

3 ай бұрын

Dont say that dude, Gigi Dalignia might see your comment, lol

Insane

I mean downwashing elements at Ducati do generate sick donwfoce but when uprights I think those also help too reduce rear tire squirt and reduces drag. Quite smart design if that is the case. And also cleans front tire wake at same time. This new iteration just pushes everything to next level. Its interesting How KTM and Aprilia's design splitter compare. i would say Ducatis version seems much more powerful atm. :D Waiting for T- tray splitter :D I bet when they ban ride height devices aeroelasticity will also come into play -yay flexi cowlings and wings. :D

Aprilia designer should do some meditating..

I just can't see how that rear wing is going to get the clean airflow it needs to produce useful, consistent downforce with the rider shifting around in front of it.

Motogp going f1 route

Not so impressed with all the aero, but I am interested in seeing how far the Manufacturers will be able to take it!

DRS next

2025 season: Bikes to have 4 wheels

Whats next? toddler side wheels?

I will not surprise that they'd introduce DRS for MotoGP next year

Next year we get wings mounted on the riders 😂😂😂

I don't see any problem with Aero development. The point of MotoGP is to build the fastest motorcycles in the world around the track. This sort of experimentation is what's necessary. Sure it will affect the racing, but so did the switch to four stroke from two stroke. I'm sure in 40 years we'll look back on this as some sort of golden era

What bike do you think has the most innovative/ best aero design? Like if you had to design one, which one would it look like the most?

yes yamaha is having inline 4 engine advantage that make bike corner faster(due to shorter wheelbase) but will have less power, problem the driver complain about lack of grip or traction maybe for exiting corner and make bad acceleration. Maybe they should focus on wheel attached aero

What's next? Oppressor MK1?

We need ground effect motorcycles!

the excessive aero in MotoGP is creating the same problems that it did in f1 in 2007-2008 and from 2017-2021.. we see riders lose control or fall when braking into a corner behind another rider because of lack of down force.. it's undermining rider's talent. i hope MotoGP comes to it's senses like f1 and works on reducing the impact of aero.

@vincesalamander5980

3 ай бұрын

They are working on it But the new régulation is for 2027, and teams dont want to change sooner because of how much they invest on these Motos

Great analysis, miserable development which the sport doesn't need at all.

@TassieLorenzo

3 ай бұрын

I dunno, the regulators would act if they perceive it to be problem. Ducati have the most bikes, so they have the most political influence and Ducati prefer to have development in the area of diffusers or aero appendages and covers, so the organisers comply with Ducati's preference? 🙂

@bulversteher

3 ай бұрын

@@TassieLorenzoIt is really rather simple: It costs too much, it is ugly, the bikes get too fast for existing tracks and the racing action suffers tremendously.

So the result if this was left unchecked would be bikes that corner faster but have a lower top speed.... Not sure there'd be much overtaking anymore

Where is the bike?

I wonder how much the rider is part of the aero, where he places his knee, how he hangs off the bike, etc.

@juaneer

3 ай бұрын

Influences it very heavily. Sitting up tall to slow down for corners creates a crazy amount of drag, for example.

@rolandotillit2867

3 ай бұрын

@@juaneer That would be a good CFD exercise, because it'll settle the age old question of if squatting creates lift or downforce. On the one hand you have a curved back and curves accelerate flow, but on the other, your frontal area is concentrated above you, and the air just passes between your legs unless you're a real manly man. So you would have higher flow velocity beneath you than above you.

I’m surprised they have started fitting the riders themselves with more aero

Fabio said if they make more aero dynamic work on bike, the top speed is lower. But without aero cracks, rear tyre grip is sucks when exit the corner. Thats paradox now.

@krzysztofkowol5392

2 ай бұрын

Aero is always game between downforce and drag. And ideal package has minimal drag with maximum downforce.

@passawishpaktiwong4581

2 ай бұрын

F1 got cd around 1.0, that's soo drag compared to normal road car, which is around 0.30 But... Yeah... normal road car can't go 300 kmhr flat out into Pouhon either lol.

I'm new to motorcycle motorsports. has any team tried to experiment with aerodynamics of the riders clothing?

@juaneer

3 ай бұрын

Only through the helmet and the aero hump

@Antarctica_best_continent

3 ай бұрын

@@juaneer are they allowed to do more?

@ducedevlstear2471

3 ай бұрын

​@@Antarctica_best_continentgood point, I think that's where the limits are. There will definitely not be any sharp elements sticking out. Nobody would be let on track if they appeared with any, I can guarantee you that.

@yukiko_5051

2 ай бұрын

That only applies to cycling now. Maybe MotoGP will let their riders wear lycra in the future, lol

Basically yam will be at the back

❤❤❤ thank you🫡🫡🫡

Can they deploy some wings for takeoff? 🤯

I think the wings should be transitioned to winglets and spoilers, or at least the number of wings or aerofoils should be limited, and until then, they are just going to keep putting holes in the bodywork. spoilers with winglets could give them an opportunity to tune the thickness of the material to deform in a favorable way when there is a change of direction, allowing some of the aero to work in the corners a little more. Its the wild west right now and it has made it tough to get back in to the racing, with the japanese contingent a pretty long way off the mark. I think removing turbulence, and lift is great for safety and the aero can probably help in that regard, but im not sure allowing them to put aerofoils on everything is making for the most compelling races. You can always drill one more hole, and I think thats a dangerous place to push rules lawyers, vs material thickness and deformation.

We already saw in 2023 how the aero effects made overtaking (& wheel-to-wheel racing, in general) difficult. Once that is gone, races become more of a parade with too much emphasis on Sat qualifying. We also saw for the first time, "dirty air" from bike in front causing tyre temp issues for riders following. I'm in favour of reducing the speed/power of these bikes (marginally), while getting rid of these excessive aero packages, in order to promote hard racing which will bring out the real riding talents.

could someone explain to me how much these bikes are getting faster due to aero? like how much faster do bikes usually get year over year, and how much faster are they getting now since they have aero?

@krzysztofkowol5392

2 ай бұрын

If there were no aero advantage then nobody will use it. Downforce on rear increase tracktion on corner exit. Downforce on front (front wings where first aero element in motoGP) improve high speed stability and bike balance. Also with front downforce they can break harder and later as no time for balance transfer on front is required before applying full breaking force. Usually you need to start smooth braking, wait for balance on front to avoid slide or wheel block and then you can inrease breaking force. Difusors with downforce on maximum lean angles improves mid corner speed. Rider style is important for aero efficency, as air flow can be blocked by leg or other part (see aprila high foot pegs). More downforce also can increase tyre wear. And what has suprised me is the temeparure managemment e.g. rear tyre cooling in aprilla. As the engines are 260+ HP the power is not a problem. The problem is how much traction you have to translate that power into lap time.

@krzysztofkowol5392

2 ай бұрын

Ah, and with such advanced bikes (aero and electronics) which are sensitive for dirty air and with shorter breaking zones (due to aero) motoGP becomes competition between bikes not riders. And that's why there is less wheel to wheel racing. Similar story as F1.

@Jay-nk6dm

2 ай бұрын

@@krzysztofkowol5392 yes I understand all that I’m asking how much has aero impacted times. Pre-aero, how much faster did bikes get year by year, and now how much faster

@kidpagronprimsank05

2 ай бұрын

It not that faster on the straight. Where's it faster is in the corner. With those aero, you get more suction, hence more traction, and thus higher speeds in turns

@Jay-nk6dm

2 ай бұрын

@@kidpagronprimsank05 yes I know, but how much faster, in seconds are these new bikes compared to previous non aero bikes

If they add drs I will piss on my phone

ngl if I was 12 this would look sick af to me.

@ducedevlstear2471

3 ай бұрын

I'm am 42 but probably still mentally 12 😀 I love 'em !

2 wheeled F1 vehicles

Well I'm absolutely loving these recent developments in MotoGP aero, the bikes look fantastic imo.

Win on Sunday, puke on Monday!

Ducati and Yamaha quite simple KTM and Aprilla too Aggressive Honda Good aero

I really like the development on aero in MotoGP, people like to mention the lack of overtakes but not only do the stats not show this, in the "golden days" there were only 5 maybe 6 bikes capable of winning whereas nowadays we have a much more competitive grid.

@literallyhuman5990

3 ай бұрын

Golden days are literally just Honda Suzuki and Yamaha. With Suzuki and Yamaha being the only bike that's not Honda in the grid

Does Yamaha even have aerodynamic engineers?

Dont follow MotoGP but I'm curious how much they gain with these newer innovations in aero design?

@mrgalaxy396

3 ай бұрын

They're smashing Sepang lap time records. In testing. That should tell you enough.

@TheIceMan23

3 ай бұрын

bikes are a second faster per lap basically since aero and ride height introduction

@TassieLorenzo

3 ай бұрын

@@TheIceMan23 Nice!

Why don't they use active/movable aero devices ? imo this should make for bike that generates downforce on every lean angle and straight line too

@kidpagronprimsank05

2 ай бұрын

Active aero usually banned in any type of Motorsport for many reasons. Costs is main reason

@RB26N

2 ай бұрын

@@kidpagronprimsank05 Given the state of current bikes , aero rules seems pretty relaxed, its still relatively new department in motogp, compared to car racing it has relatively relaxed rules. regarding cost, all kinds of motorsports is costly, considering official works team are backing this sports , i'm sure they can throw little more money.

Ktm aero package by adrian newey and tested by max 😂😂😂

Aero is important but maybe they should limit some of it or limit it to what the bike actually looks like from factory because in the end it’s all to sell your brand of motorcycle

@sooyster4033

3 ай бұрын

I think that falls more in line with world superbike rules than motogp.

Just like F1. A Race of engineers, not riders.

It was about time. F1 started doing this sort of thing decades ago

I think Casey Stoner saying the right things about the electronics on the bikes. And for me the wings are to much.

I love the technology, but this needs to be limited before it ruins the racing.

Yes! Aero tech fully arrives for bikes and we're here for it. Will be fascinating to watch it evolve and inevitably, make its way to the street.

MotoGP failing to learn from their 4 wheeled counterparts…

@rafaellastracom6411

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. How quickly we forget about the monstrosities during the aero free-for-all in the 2000´s. Hideous designs and some were downright graphic.

Yes it is a prototype championship. But it's getting extremely ridiculous. 😢 Tho I'm still a fan of MotoGP, still watching. Just my cents.

Bring back riding talent!

Aprilia and KTM better to make Haas/Sauber to be scared now 😂

KTM and Aprillia are like Porsche and McLaren- they have yet to take down Ducati’s Ferarri

People need to realise that rules won’t change until 2027, so you might as well get used to aero bikes. After all, these are Grand Prix prototypes, if you want ‘relevant to road bikes’ then go watch World Superbikes.

I'd rather watch Moto2 at least there'll be an overtake or two. Ducati cup here we come ..🏆

@SMHman666

2 ай бұрын

Yes, plenty of action in moto 2 and 3. Bloody close and exciting racing.

What the hel happened? where did all the window blinders come from?...

Rossi would still smoke all of em in his Yamaha

Surely downforce reduces grip when cornering? If the downforce is always aligned with the bike, then mid corner will create a lateral component that reduces grip. You'd want the downforce to always be perpendicular to the track surface. Maybe ground effect downforce can achieve this but surely wings are not a good approach.

@davidaugustofc2574

3 ай бұрын

Downforce doesn't reduce grip when cornering, it may use some of the available grip due to the added lateral component, but the grip available is much higher anyway because the downforce is present. You're overthinking the theory while track records are being absolutely smashed on track, which is what matters.

@procatprocat9647

3 ай бұрын

@davidaugustofc2574 so explain it then. I dare you! If the bike is at 45 degrees the downward component equals the horizontal component generated by a fixed wing. I just checked the coefficient of friction of a racing tire and it can be 1,5 even up to 1,9. That's why this works. With a road tire it is likely less than 1, so the wing would actually reduce the max cornering speed. F equals mu R. If the bike leans further than 45 degrees, the situation is even worse. It's all about the tires. Obviously when braking or accelerating in a straight line, the wings work as normal so bring a huge advantage. On a straight, they just slow the bike down. Any idiot can see from the lap times that it works. The question is how. I think it's all about the sticky tires. Ground effect seems like a much better option if you can design it to be consistent at any lean angle. The width would be minimal so probably not very powerful. The ultimate solution would be wings or ground effect that remain parallel to the ground, if that was legal

@rafikusuma9989

3 ай бұрын

​​@@procatprocat9647he explained it in a previous video. iirc anything positioned high in the video is there to create downforce on the straights to reduce wheelie and aid acceleration. its not for corners because when you lean the wings are not directly above the tyre and its going to create some moment forces. the rider helps with stalling these high wings by leaning out of the bike and blocks the airflow of the wing. for cornering the diffusers are going to do the most work since its low enough that theres no rider disturbance and will create downforce right above the tyres. the vertical portion of the wings are also going to help when leaning since its turning into a horizontal wing and itll also going to benefit from ground effect for more information just search for his longest motogp video

@mullayho1759

3 ай бұрын

While cornering the rider hangs to one side, so the aero isn't simetrical, wich should reduce sideforces and increase downforce. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z5xhuY-HYNjairg.htmlsi=Fms7sFzpUuLzZ3dW

@davidaugustofc2574

3 ай бұрын

@@procatprocat9647 It's very simple. 1 - the lateral force the tire can handle doesn't scale linearly with load applied, 800 lbs of load on a race bike means that bike can take more than 800 lbs of lateral force (which true for most racing slicks). Normally we get the coefficient for the tire when we buy them, and then design the entire car or bike around the performance of the tire. 2 - The math you described only applies if the airfoil is horizontal when the bike is upright, but if you use Google, you'll see most MotoGP airfoils have curvature to them, which changes the initial angle and thus the angle during cornering. The ideal would be for most of it to be horizontal, but compromises always have to be made. 3 - As the previous replies mentioned, the Rider is an active aerodynamic component in modern MotoGP. I honestly don't get the tone of your reply, I didn't come here saying "I'm a former Formula SAE leader, I know better than everyone". I simply commented about what I studied together with the suspension system to implement an aerodynamic kit, and I stayed true to the books.

I love so much this aero era of moto gp!!! Its a manufacturers championship with very distinct solutions! How it should be!!!

We should start calling them stegosaurus wings

@ducedevlstear2471

3 ай бұрын

Eh, they have been called Stegosaurus wings since ever they appeared.

@JoshuaC923

3 ай бұрын

@@ducedevlstear2471 that's awesome

Next chapter: the sucker bike

Those aereo spoilers look like they are going cut their own driver Too much blades

Bikes and wings just feel wrong to me. Streamlining everything, by all means, but wings? I don't know, just seems wrong.

Limiting dirty air and aero devices that have unpredictable behaviours will be fine.