We don't want 850cc.

@mooncat.787

Ай бұрын

I'll second that !

@zeke2566

Ай бұрын

Forget 850,the old 800 was a drag,go to 1200cc- make motogp exciting again,not boring slower junk!

@Andyiswatching

Ай бұрын

If this make MotoGP more exciting and with more competition between riders I am ok

@loggie8763

Ай бұрын

it will produce the same times lmao. and it will elimintate the tyre overheating by a great extent. no dirty air from shit aero and etc lol. thus producing better and closer racing. nobody is here for laptimes.i know i don't.

@Andyiswatching

Ай бұрын

@@loggie8763 we don't care about the laptimes that's for sure.

Bring back the 500 two strokes, now that was racing.

@krzysztofkowol5392

Ай бұрын

Moto3 is now almost as fast as 500cc. And there is real racing wheel to wheel pack racing due to slip stream. And they have safety concerns and'd like to mittigate that.

@ReCheck_WotTheFluck

20 күн бұрын

@@krzysztofkowol5392 Safety concerns, that's is because motogp has become pussified. Go watch this Peter Hickman's Epic Qualifying Lap at Macau Grand Prix 2023 Non pussified racing.

@Daniele858585

18 күн бұрын

@@ReCheck_WotTheFluck Pussified??? At that speed? LOOOL Have you ever drive a motorbike on a track? AHahHahahahhahahahahahahahaha Motogp pussified racing it's ilarious ahahah

We've had them reduce engine size before. What happened, they got just as fast and eventually went back to 1000cc. Get away from electronics and aero !!!!

@wIndstar47

23 күн бұрын

I think the aerodynamics is fine 🤔 ?!? It's the traction control, quick shift, and slipper clutch that needs to be done ✔️ with. Speed could be reduced just a little. But reducing the engine to an 850cc in 2027 is a very terrible idea 💡 😑, we all can agree on that despite our differences ...?

@stevenspilly

23 күн бұрын

The 800s were not, in fact, as fast. The 1000s get to over 350kph, 800s never did that.

@wIndstar47

22 күн бұрын

@stevenspilly Yes, but the 1000cc has more presence & depth. Look at a small bike 🏍 then look at a larger bike 🏍. The larger bike 🏍 is way more appealing & more exciting to watch ⌚️ 😀 .....!

@stevenspilly

22 күн бұрын

@@wIndstar47 I agree

@varnesracing2270

10 күн бұрын

@@wIndstar47 I race a ninja 400 and the only thing that u said we should get rid of that is actually almost necessary is the slipper clutch. The bike would chatter so hard from downshifts but I can agree with traction control.

Everyone hated the 800cc era, and it was more dangerous because the bikes were peaky. Sounds like a bad call.

@S0RELOSER

Ай бұрын

It’s a horrible call. The reason for it is to increase the cost of performance. This will ruin the satellite teams. And thus allow the Japanese back up front.

@bilson34

23 күн бұрын

i liked it :D go stoner rossi and lorenzo

aero and too much reliance on electronics is killing the sport... this is why i switched to watching WSBK since the bikes are more relatable with the road versions... also who wants to see more than 2 teams using the same bike?

@mabuhayimplottingyourdemis423

27 күн бұрын

You watch racing for the relatability. I watch racing for the racing.

@elcookiemonsteru

16 күн бұрын

Moto GP (like F1) are prototypes for tech that will eventually come to WSBK and street bikes.

Who cares BSB is where it’s at!! WSBK and motogp are not even fun to watch too much corporate greed

@adamhosken6117

24 күн бұрын

Agreeeeed

@andyhobbs8865

16 күн бұрын

Yeh BSB is a really good championship very close racing👍

This isn’t about safety, it’s about ending Ducatis dominance and leveling the playing field. Get rid of the aero and rider aids too.

@popeye089

Ай бұрын

GP is prototypical racing. It’s about innovation. Hard concept to grasp for some

@JC-ru1rn

Ай бұрын

Ktm and aprilia are moving in the right direction, yamaha and honda are out of ideas.

@fortheloveofgains4471

Ай бұрын

They would be unrideable without the aero and electronic assists It's not about ending Ducati's dominance if I remember correctly 800cc was stoners winning years It's a cost cut and to be honest if it brings back other manufacturers I'm all for it. But the electrics need scaling back otherwise the black art of throttle control will be obsolete on those 850cc bikes

@andyfry745

Ай бұрын

Didn’t do that when Honda won everything,or Yamaha….

@popeye089

Ай бұрын

@@fortheloveofgains4471 again it’s prototype racing. Their technology trickles down to street bikes eventually. Why is this hard to understand for people like you.

damn they really put the "F1 Regs" on MotoGP...........

This is so strange. All the constructors in MotoGP are so reasonable and seem to care about the sport. F1 constructors are only about maximizing profit and don’t care about the sport.

For years the best class has consistently been Moto3, and this year I would argue that Moto2 is producing the best racing so far this year. Power never translates to better races in motorcycle racing. I want MotoGP to remain a racing spectacle, rather than a purely technical spectacle, whilst keeping the safety of the riders a priority.

What was wrong with the 500cc 2 strokes? The era of legends.

@ReCheck_WotTheFluck

20 күн бұрын

imo Honda couldn't make a good road going one. And then you have the Agenda, they look dirty with all that smoke. My best bike is a RGV250P shouldn't of sold it. The RG500 was nice but didn't handle. My RDLC's 125 to 350/YPVS were the most fun. Now I've just bought a CBR600 08(priced out of 2S market), it's a screamer but RGV was better/lighter.

It's the dangerous 800cc Era all over again

We have had 800cc moto gp bikes before. Ended up with alot higher corner speeds.

Anyone who doesn't want 850cc should just cancel your MotoGP subscription. That will get their attention.

Aero this year is outrageous. Front winglets okay the rest of it needs to go. Hole shot gadgets & auto adjusting corner suspension is also rediculous. We need great riders like Toprak not gimmicks. Currently no manufacturer makes an 850cc sport bike & they shouldn't. The 1000cc sport bikes with adjustable trackion control make it easy for riders to get started on a bigger bike & unleash its greatness when they build confidence in their riding. 600s are nearly gone. No one buys them anymore. 1000cc should stay, gadgets & gimmicks go away. Long live the talented rider!

@elcookiemonsteru

16 күн бұрын

Good luck riding a 200+HP beast with no assistance.

@usarespnsblty

16 күн бұрын

@@elcookiemonsteru they do it in WSBK every race.

@jimmyneutron5679

16 күн бұрын

@@usarespnsblty or the isle of man TT or any other road race lol

Where are you getting your information from ? I have searched everywhere on the Dorna website and don't see any factual evidence or proof of this stuff you are talking about. Are you just speculating on possible proposals ?

potential Manufacturers for 850cc class: 1. Ducati 2. Aprilia 3. Honda 4. Yamaha 5. KTM 6. BMW 7. Suzuki 8. Kawasaki 9. Triumph 10. MV Augusta 11. CF Moto

All that'll happen if they drop the limit to 850 is, they'll rev the engines even higher to claw back the power and without a bag full of electronics they're totally unrideable . It's bad enough as it is, buttons for launch control, ride height devices, anti wheelie, pit lane limiters, gyro's and speed sensors ,traction control.....the focus is being taken off the rider and more on the electronics , he can more or less just whack the throttle wide open and the electronics sort everything out, same with a race start, press button for ride height, another for launch control, nail the throttle, lights go green, let clutch out, electronics takes care of everything. 1000cc and ditch all the silly electronics , lets see who can really ride!

@Jim-nm1en

Ай бұрын

It's high time they deleted all that electronic shit and then we might see who the best riders are for real .

@nevillesenior8706

Ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more

Motogp is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorcycle racing. And at the top level i think innovation with aero and ride height devices and electronics absolulely have a place, this is ridiculous in my opinion. An 850cc bike does not scream pinnacle of motorcycles to me

@jesterapp

18 күн бұрын

Thank the Gods for you. Absolutely agree in everyway.

They should have equivalency formulas that allow different displacements and max bore/stroke ratio. 4-850cc, 3-950cc, 2-1000cc. Those could be calculated so given equal BMEP they all make about the same power. And allow more than one tire manufacturer. And get rid of the stupid ride height starting devices.

I have a hard time thinking MotoGP would bend over backward for BMW. In F1 they pulled out, so would do the same thing in MotoGP if they wanted.

@Liam-vh8bz

23 күн бұрын

Why specifically BMW, they already have a 1000 cc engine

@sburns2421

23 күн бұрын

@@Liam-vh8bz production engine, means nothing for GP

That's why quatararo signed and rightly so 12m a year chi Ching

Think the 850cc is a huge step backward. If they would look at what caused racing to start sucking, then cut out those changes. Lose areo, ride height devices, holes shot devices, wheelie control, traction control. If your bike is too stupid fast to keep it in a straight line or to hold the front wheel on the ground. Then let the manufacturer start backing the power down. We need to get back to rider skills not bike skills. Almost any idiot can go fast on these bikes. Learn all the buttons and when and where to push what and you're good to go the bike will do the rest. When you have a rider come into a corner then as soon as he hits the apex hold it wide open and let the electronics take care of the rest. We could train monkeys to do the riding. Then we'd have the full circus.

@comontoshi

Ай бұрын

You saved me having to hunt and peck with one finger . . . Well said! 👍👍👍👍😘

I just want bikes that challenge the rider in every area of the track. Don’t want riders coasting, waiting for the bike to respond. It is true that most fans won’t notice a second or two per lap difference.

Toss the areo, ride hight for sure. Like other pro sports they have salary caps. Long over due to cap the team budgets.

Cause it worked so well last time 😂

All you got to do, is watch some of the older races, "Before" all this aero and other cwap came into existence. Much more entertaining, in my opinion.😎

@fivespeed3026

Ай бұрын

You mean back when anyone who wasn’t on a factory bike was getting lapped?

What's the point? Manufacturers have enough to worry about. Racing is meant to be fast.

@MrDannyboyhall

23 күн бұрын

Racing is meant to be racing too and these current bikes produce shit racing

@carlosandleon

18 күн бұрын

the 800ccs were faster

I’m hoping to see some triples ! A Vee 3 is pretty cool.

850cc and banned aero would fix moto gp. Keep the 1000cc bikes alive with wsbs

I'm curious, when F1 imposed all their restrictions, did the racing get better, cheaper and grow their viewership? Personally I stopped watching F1 when the V10's went away.

@bobanppvc

17 күн бұрын

Me too.But there is people who will watch anyway

The 850cc era is the single most dangerous and injury prone era in all of MotoGP, regarding engine size. The riders will never ride those size bikes again.' Not ever. It's over and good riddance to it.

All we need is less aero, no one wants to see bikes slower than WSBK

@kasper-jw2441

Ай бұрын

like you can see the difference on the tellie between the speed of a 850 or a 1000

@andyfry745

Ай бұрын

Wsbk is still incredibly fast and on some circuits faster.if you remove aero and drop to 850 where will that leave wsbk? Which is far better racing than the new era MotoGP….the technology has to stay!!!! It’s where engineers show what’s possible.

@martinlewis967

Ай бұрын

@@andyfry745go for 850cc 2t with aero and modern ecu Now that would work

@yogibarista2818

Ай бұрын

Downsizing from 990cc to 800cc didn't make them any slower last time. Downsizing to 850cc and reducing aero is a reasonable trade-off.

@andyfry745

Ай бұрын

@@martinlewis967 that’s a fabulous idea..I’m 56 and still ride strokers 👏👏👏

Now that Liberty Media bought MotoGP, all of the future rules of Dorna will be rethought. The release that I read stated that they are not interested in 850s. They also will most likely eliminate rider aids and aero. They even said that they were interested in bringing back 2 strokes. If this stuff becomes reality, then the future of MotoGP is very bright indeed.

@fuzzy1dk

27 күн бұрын

why on earth would any manufacturer waste time developing two-strokes? they are totally irrelevant to anything on the road

@giordanosilva8336

24 күн бұрын

nah

@coredaqqer6197

18 күн бұрын

@@fuzzy1dkLook around dude, the only thing relevant to the road is reducing emissions. That means electric and sustainable fuels. 2 strokes are perfect for high performance bikes, they are simpler, have higher efficiency(think combustion cycle, less friction losses) and are lighter. Developing these has no negative effect if sustainable fuels are being developed. That’s what’s most important.

@fuzzy1dk

18 күн бұрын

@@coredaqqer6197 unless you are lookign at massive ship diesel engines, two-stroke are dirty and fuel inefficent .

@coredaqqer6197

17 күн бұрын

@@fuzzy1dk Again, reread the comment. For High-performance applications like motorcycle racing, where they are using a sustainable fuel, it’s perfect. We are talking about world class engineers here that don’t have to cut corners in design.

How about no rules whatsoever. Just 2 wheels......no rules on engine size. Turbos, nitrous.

This isn't huge news, if you watch MotoGP, this has been discussed ALOT.

Why not make it 125cc? Racing is racing 😆😆😆

@wanderer54796

Ай бұрын

Why not 50 Cc MotoGP moped racing with a top speed of 60 kph (37 mph) 😅

@rIP2693.

Ай бұрын

🤣

@stevecam724

Ай бұрын

@@wanderer54796 safety all the way in MotoGP. Next it's DEI quota racing. 5 riders have died on Western Australian roads this week, bikes are dangerous and I'd hate to think these guys don't risk it all when some of our boys are taken out by morons behind the wheel of vehicles. Died coming home from a $40,000 job 😔😔

@robinv2758

Ай бұрын

Reject modernity, return to 5 cilinder 125cc race bike

@fivespeed3026

Ай бұрын

@@robinv2758Only if they rev to 23,000 RPMs.

I'll accept 850cc as long as they make them two strokes...👍👍

Here we go again....cost manufacturers billions to retool,engineer,etc. Stop doing this crap. There is sooo much electronic controls on the bike. Set a top speed...

@ReCheck_WotTheFluck

20 күн бұрын

Just add lead like they did to the 2S.

We tried this before kids… All we did was crash more and went back to 1000cc. We are suppose to look back at history to reference our past mistakes and experiences 🤦

@MrDannyboyhall

23 күн бұрын

Crashes are part of the sport the 800’s produced better racing and better riders than this era has

@kirkdoherty7116

23 күн бұрын

@@MrDannyboyhall This response is not thought through. I'll leave it at that... 🤦‍♂️

All comes back to bike sales...no one needs 200bhp on the roads,my old Honda Fireblade still wheelspins at 80mph in 6th,given our greasy roads!

Yes please i will like to see a futuristic Kawasaki in the grid.

@ReCheck_WotTheFluck

20 күн бұрын

Using H2 based engine, F going backwards lets have some chargers on the grid.

A old statement I know. lowering the CC's will make very little difference to speed, after all, you can only take this corner at 60 mph a small improvement on the speed maybe, anymore you in the gravel,

Y’all seen the new Harley baggers? 😂😂😂😂😘

@davidnelson6893

Ай бұрын

Hah Lol

No just limit the bore to 80mm

I wish I stopped fucking about with things🤦🏼‍♂️

They always do this, we've already seen the 800 class, it's so boring. For God's sake. They should go up in capacity, get rid of all aero and rider aids & let's leave it up to the rider and then we will see who's best.

@comontoshi

Ай бұрын

WSBK . . . 😁

@nialbarnsley4108

Ай бұрын

@@comontoshi WSBK is so boring

No aero and no ride height devices.

Not sure what but i think a reset is a good thing

Hearing the same old tat from most of peoples opinions…here’s mine as an engineer…aero has to stay with electronics and swing arm upgrades etc….this is what makes it the pinnacle of motorcycle sport.engineers are allowed a free reign within the rules and it’s bought some amazing motorcycles to the fore….or if we revert then there’s no need for a MotoGP class.we have to push boundaries to see what is possible.he 800 era was interesting without time to develop.the new 800s won’t be anything like there predecessors.and it’s not about Ducati dominance as Honda and Yamaha have also dominated at periods.sometimes shaking the tree gives a new perspective.

I feel MotoGP need all manufacturers to be involved... I don't care how big the power plants are. I just want to see close racing...

Learn to ride it We need thousands CC's don't go backwards. You need to hold shot device.

The trend of all of motorsports dialing back on power and speed is so anti motorsports. I hate it. F1, WEC, WRC, MotoGP...everything gets slower.

Hopefully they ban all the aero crap. Hopefully they add an additional class, 500cc injected 2-strokes.

This is really Bad because it is going to cost manufacturers ten or hundreds of millions developing new engines and within A year or two bike will be just as fast as They are now. You should limit top speeds or engine power so the bikes are more equal... Leave the electronics as they are because with this much power, eventough some would like it without electronics as it would get more interesting, but we need this Electronics to keep Riders safe

@scamperggl

14 күн бұрын

@maticcro5992 thanks for the first sane comment I read about riders safety and skills. I guess the dudes writing it reuires almost no skill, just ful throttle and let the electronics do the rest have no idea what they are talking about and probably never sat on a bike close to the performance of a modern race bike. I am a hobbyist and have a Daytona 675R for the track without electronics, which is good to train my skills. But at the same time I don't wanna miss dynamic electronics like TC on my Super Duke 1290 R with 50 HP and twice as much torque and have a truck load of respect for the riders, knowing how unreachable this is for me, high siding does really hurt

How stupid can they be. We have been here before.....everybody hated the bikes and it ruined the racing

@MrDannyboyhall

23 күн бұрын

The racing was far better than what we have now and better riders too

Lol just make them meet emissions, those numbers will come down hard. Or, better yet, limit teams to two engines per season with no displacement restriction or weight minimum. Then we might get something worth buying out of the development. Edit: Tertiary to the above rules, implement horsepower limits on certain tracks, that way certain (slower) tracks will bunch up the slower teams, and, there'll be less incentive to build 300hp monsters because you have to lug that weight around at the "regulated" tracks.

A change of engine size is aimed at giving the Japanese manufacturers an advantage, due to greater resources and testing of differing capacities, which the Europeans don't have. The Japanese have been embarrassed by the Europeans success and their inability to respond. Likewise with the pioneering aerodynamics which will also be banned. This is very short sighted, MotoGp currently enjoy a wide range of manufacturers and full grids, they should remember just a few years ago we had only Japanese machines, with grids numbering in single figures. World Superbikes was far more popular and Grand prix motorcycle racing could not justify its ‘blue ribbon’ title. The racing has never been as close and spectacular as it is now. Don’t mess with something that isn't broken. We really don't want to end up like the F1 freight train, where they need DRS to allow cars to overtake anywhere other than in the pits, where it's the car/team that wins not the driver, they will probably do away with the drivers and just run the cars remotely before long, saving a fortune on their primadonna drivers!

Stop crying Ride. height device., take it off. Leave the engine alone. Drive it, ride it, stop cry about it.

Forget reducing the CC, how about halving the strokes hm?

The whole reason i liked moto gp is because it didn't have a tonne of restrictions like f1

It’s a shame about what’s happening to MotoGP. It just seems like they’re sabotaging everything just like f1. WSBK is way better because of less rules.

We are currently getting the closest and best races in MotoGP ever……if it’s not broken don’t try and fix it!!!

They already tried that, the result was that corner speed was even higher.

If they do this im stop following in protest

No aero, no electronics. Let the riders actually ride the bikes. This is supposed to be the highest level of motorcycle riding. Let the riders show their talent, not the electronics.

Didn't they already try 800cc ?

Wrong idea!! motogp need 1200 cc and cut off all aero.

Ok, so the moto2 is 765cc. Motogp is just 35cc more?

Moto GP will have to change to be watchable.Its not two wheeled F1.I don't watch it now.What a thing to say about motorcycle racing.WSBK is interesting at the moment,but must not be influenced by Moto GP.Watch 5 minutes of 500cc racing from the 80's and 90's,its so exciting to watch.Even the circuits are boring and too similar.

There's no such thing as a dangerous track,the riders should ride within the track limits.

These aerodynamic devices are dangerous to the marshals and that should have been the reason why they were banned years ago.

Its a mistake, just rev limit the 1000s so that make around 275hp

Go back to spring coil valves. Pneumatic valves will never come to the streets. This will lower performance and even out the field. Keep the aero and all the electronic rider aids.

actual Moto GP are way way overpowered and that's why all the electronics and aerodinamics..the championship needs a step back..

850cc V4 or 1000cc I4?

When these rich investors and bosses get involved they always screw things up. Why can't they just drop all the aerodynamics and leave it like it was. You make the engine smaller you lose fans.

Go the other way, turbo 1200cc 450hp last man standing wins.

if they do reduce aero,electronics. screaming 850s. whats not to like! back to riders skill. and become a true prototype premier class again.

They almost ruined the sport and forced into bankruptcy last time they lowered the cc' displacement. Just ban aero and electronic rider aids. There are plenty of electronic advancements they can make to the motors themselves which would create more linear powerbands, eliminating the need to electronic aids.

Reducing the speeds...? Ummm.... How about no rules: Whatever gets you around the track fastest, wins. That would be limiting in itself, and would be consistent with the idea of an elite class. I do hate the aero, tho. Those bikes are ugly. UGLY.

the 800s were awful no reason to think 850 would be any better. 1000 or nothing!

Motogp will not have many years left. Especially not with the new owner

How tf everyone on the streets gonna be 1000cc and motogp 850cc?

Joa loco, complicao'

aero is a problem for so many reasons remove that

Well all that's about as clear as a puddle of mud !

Dunno 850 seems okay.....as long as they go back to 2 strokes....😂😂😂

This is why I turned to cycling 😅

Ah , not this again . 1000 750 500 250 125 call it a day.

CMOTO will be there. they already have a stake in KTM

Again this site owner is a fanatical honda fanboy and would tear the sport down for honda japanese to be win even though japanese engineering so weak.

moto go racing is expensive to watch and sprint races are pointless , moto go has no audience in the UK anymore

Not worth watching any more sticking to super bikes

Liberty media who owns F1 bought Moto gp from spanish owner...This is result of that

Something’s wrong with you and your channel, stop using Marc thumbnail for every video. He doesn’t care about the engine size

👏👏👏🍀

Remove electronics, aerodynamics, limit the horsepower to 200 and let the riders be riders.

850 cc 2 cylinder engines 😢 with aero 🤮

Bring back the two stroke. Less cost for everyone.

@wIndstar47

Ай бұрын

That's the problem it's all about saving money 💰. This is the reason Suzuki keeps jumping in and out of wsbk and motdGP. & The main motorcycle companies that are complaining about money 💰 are the ones that have plenty of money 💸. And will bluff the public and say that they are having business or financial problems 🤑.......... when it's all about keeping money 💰 💸 in their pockets 🙄 🤔. The answer is GREED. & What they do is complain and complain, cry and bi!@h until someone or somebody's gets weak and breaks & changes things to please these 🙏 greedy @ss people who don't care about the business or anything else but their pockets ..............