What are your thoughts, is it true that the riders are not as good as the era of Casey Stoner? Let us know in the comments down below ⬇️

@andrewSUN17

2 ай бұрын

Yes, he is correct. 2024 is far different. I have heard that the bike are relatively easy to ride. They certainly do not ride bikes without a boatload of safety controls. Think about Mick Doohan and Rainey, Schwantz, Roberts, etc...and Stoner back in the day. Even think about Lorenzo's first year on MotoGP bikes...his highsides were phenomenal! upside down and 8ft in the air!

@motorzeff

2 ай бұрын

Simple evolution of racing. The riding level is always at the highest. You could easily then say the 500cc 2 S riders were better than stoners era and riders of Agostinis era were even better than them. Stoner has a bee in his bonnet about something, im not quite sure what.

@1ihws

2 ай бұрын

Casey Stoner is but a ‘babe in the woods’ compared to “older” Aussie riders like and Doohan and Gardener. All teeth and no real action - loves a show but can’t turn it on to save the sport!

@andyfry745

2 ай бұрын

More crap from the very unlikeable stoner

@Pupixario

2 ай бұрын

No. That's just old man talk.

I am old enough to have watched the 500cc 2 stroke years. Now those riders really did have exceptional riding skills.

@elwap0

2 ай бұрын

They had too

@routerider9542

2 ай бұрын

Yes they had to use the feel of traction from the surface through the machine to their brain, and adjust accordingly.

@arturprusinowski3061

2 ай бұрын

Yawn.....They also went much slower. Pole time for Mugello went down by around 6 seconds between 1997 and 2015 with essentially identical circuit layout. If they tried going as fast as the riders today they would have been in the gravel or much worse.

@sburns2421

2 ай бұрын

They typically had short careers too, usually because their battered bodies couldn't do it anymore.

@routerider9542

2 ай бұрын

I can tell you that my '93 ZX-7 R with 120 H.P. with no electronic aids was slower than my 2014 ZX-10 R with 175 H.P. with traction control. No surprise, todays bikes are better, the tires are better, but the riders are no better. Today lap times are faster more due to technology than rider skill.@@arturprusinowski3061

it's sad Dani pedrosa never won a championship, I wanted him to win at lease one championship in his career, he was a cool rider, humble.

@TheFiery1

2 ай бұрын

no doubt, Pedrosa was chill

@chadwells7562

2 ай бұрын

Dani was and is an absolute animal, one of the best to ever do with regardless of the lack of top class championships

@clarencenifras7700

2 ай бұрын

He won 2 motogp championships...google it.

@Fister-Resister

2 ай бұрын

The King who Never was

@glynhannaford7332

2 ай бұрын

IMO Dani is far and away the best rider never to win a championship in the top class.

Pedrosa showed us last year that the new crop of riders aren't at the same level of the "aliens".

@Pupixario

2 ай бұрын

Breaking news: A recently retired top class rider is faster than the average riders the same way he was faster than the average riders when he wasn't retired. If you are talented, experienced and have the instincts you are good for a very long time. But saying that nowadays riders are fast because of electronics is just old man talk. Otherwise Casey can get on the bike and smash all current records with the extra help of electronics, no? You adapt to the best tools you have at your disposal. There is no need to smash stones in order to light a fire anymore but that doesn't make us less smart than cavemen.

@madjayax731

2 ай бұрын

@@Pupixario You have to beat your teammates first because you and them have the same tools. If Stoner is a better rider than the current young guns who rule MotoGP now, he will obliterate them all.

@johnernst8718

2 ай бұрын

@@Pupixario yeah, and what comes out of Casey's mouth the most? "Riders have to adapt to their bikes. Oh, except me, I quit!"

@HungVu-ec3jk

2 ай бұрын

@@johnernst8718 he got tired of racing

@Pupixario

2 ай бұрын

@@HungVu-ec3jk He got tired of racing when the seasons were 18 events only. Imagine him fighting a bike without electronics now with 44 race events. Bet he will get even more tired.

I agree. My '05 R1 has no traction control, no ABS, no power mode settings, and no slipper clutch...its a raw angry beast that demands respect, and I like it that way.

@brometheusthefirstbro4302

2 ай бұрын

Good for you

@snakerooni

2 ай бұрын

same I own the 2004 and used to have the 2003 which was basically a race bike... complete beasts.

@marcustaylor670

2 ай бұрын

You haven't ridden a 2004 ZX10R then. I was disappointed getting off my 2002 R6 and jumping on a 2004 R1 in 2004. The ignition is retarded at low revs in the lower gears to make it safe to ride compared to the older R1's I had previously tried. As soon as I tried a ZX10R I bought one and later highsided it on a wet track with only 4000rpm on the rev counter and hardly any throttle in 2nd as the torque was immense. I was running wets too!! The GSXR1000 K5 is the best 1000 ever, you get the raw power of a ZX10R in a package that is balanced enough to let you use the power (if you are careful). I'm pretty sure those R1's have a slipper clutch, my ZX10R did. Don't get me wrong the R1 is a good bike but if you want to feel scared they never really did it for me even though they are a better bike than a ZX10R. Also the 2004 ZX10R was statistically the most crashed bike and it's the one I've seen crashed the most on track days, ride one and you will see why. It really was the one that got all the interest in 2004 and 2005 until the GSXR 1000 K5 came out. You have to just have a go on one, it probably is the closest thing on the road to a legit pre electronic nu-tamed gp bike. Later under seat pipe ZX10R's have softer cams and weigh more, the later GSXR's also have all the electronic trinkets.

@user-ox2xi6kk8o

2 ай бұрын

@@marcustaylor670 I ride ZX 10 from Y2K all the way up to 2010's gen...my roommate was into em...we traded bikes sometimes...and yea they're awesome. I would take one over any R1 made after 2006. Otherwise it would be a Gixxer 1000...not a fan of cross plane crank engines and Hondas never felt right chassis wise to me.

@amaximus5753

2 ай бұрын

​@@marcustaylor670 bro the 2004 ZX10's where absolute beasts. Animal of a bike. That bike was crazy wild to ride. Haha I can definitely relate. It didn't take long before you realise there was barely any left on the road. Then you realise it's because everyone crashed em. It was like trying to tame a bull. Wild bike.

I'd say take away all the electronic ads. And see how fast they really are.

@ClassicTrialsChannel

Ай бұрын

the cream would still rise to the top

@ShalomBrother

Ай бұрын

This is why BSB has the most action, and any of 10-15 riders can win on any given day or track

@sofarsogod

13 күн бұрын

I bet most of them learnt to ride with no electronics bikes when they were like 10 years old, this whole debate is retarded af, motogp riders can pretty much dominate any motorcycle.

Casey was an old school type of rider, who believed it was up to the rider to master the bike he was given. On some machines that meant taming a monster, on others it involved wringing every ounce of performance out of the bike. All credit to Stoner, once he mastered his bike, his riding was sublime. It's great to hear a former champion paying respect to Pedrosa, a truly exceptional rider. It's sad that Alberto Puig was always looking past Pedrosa, at Stoner, at Marquez and even at Lorenzo. Imagine what Pedrosa might have achieved with Honda, if Puig had not constantly treated him as second string, but had instead developed a bike to better suit the smaller stature of the 'pocket rocket'!

@humandroid53

2 ай бұрын

Although it was Stoner who go the most out of the 2007 Ducati with it's advanced electronics.

@the_derpler

2 ай бұрын

They literally designed the entire project around Pedrosa for years.

@glynhannaford7332

2 ай бұрын

@the_derpler Hahaha 😆 have you just arrived from Mars?

@anwarnehme1348

2 ай бұрын

Stoner was a great rider and i kind of agree with him but he never rode a 500cc so how would he know

@marcustaylor670

2 ай бұрын

It's ironic that Rossi labelled Stoner in 2007 as a 'Robot Rider' in MCN saying that without electronics he would be nowhere. In 2006 Stoner put the LCR Honda on pole running B grade Michelins that weren't as good as the factory teams. He showed promise as a rookie but the LCR team as well as other satellite teams like Tech 3 and Pramac had inferior kit.

Stoner is right.100 %

@paulfleming4710

2 ай бұрын

All the electronics, aero,etc have taken skill out of riding the bikes

@kennethlalhlimsang

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely

@Junkfiles446

2 ай бұрын

@@paulfleming4710thats why its more impressive to watch wsbk nowadays

@izanagisburden9465

2 ай бұрын

@@paulfleming4710 what does aero has to do with skill exactly? just goes to show that the average MotoGP or racing fan in that regards has no fundamental about racing

@Mcali1984

2 ай бұрын

Partially. He was upset Marc one the year he left. And many years after. Stoner is an amazing rider. But the tech got to good for him. And now the same thing is happening with Marc.

I agree with Stoner. MotoGP today is a technology battle, and less rider skills.

@Wolfpak765

Ай бұрын

This pains me to say because I don't care much for Stoner as a person and as great a rider as he was, he couldn't help develop a bike but he sure could run one someone else developed but he's right. All the tech modern riders are used to, they'd have no chance running against The Aliens on their era of machines.

@lewishamilton.f1.44

Ай бұрын

Well you could also make the same arguement for formule 1 so but yet i still find that sport very exicting despite verstappen winning every race so i disagree with stoner about motogp being boring with its safety and drivers having no talent i still think that is also very exicting

@user-sf5hc4ro1e

23 күн бұрын

So can you do it with technology. A comment from someone else said it best Stoner the Moner is 💯 correct

He is 100% right, in order to get the most skilled riders in the motogp top class electronics need to be reduced drastically. Also the component of watching races would be much more fun, drifting out of corners, sliding into corners, body placement to control wheelie and powerslides. It's all gone

@tomclark637

2 ай бұрын

All you said is gone mostly due to aerodynamics.

@jeroenvander2938

2 ай бұрын

@@tomclark637 No, electronics came way back before earo, earo is not the problem, its the electronics.

@tomclark637

2 ай бұрын

@@jeroenvander2938 They were sliding and overtaking out of nothing with electronics, aero do standardize their ride and the gap. There's no way to ride an almost 300hp bike with no controls at all, or better, there is but way slower than less powerful bikes.

@arturprusinowski3061

2 ай бұрын

So are you saying the riders in MotoGP right now are not the best riders out there. Are you implying there's some undiscovered talent that would shine though if only there were no electronic rider aids? This is silly and that's the nicest way I can say that

@Fist3ee

2 ай бұрын

@@arturprusinowski3061 well yeah none of these current riders are as skilled or as talented as the aliens of MotoGP such as Marquez,Rossi,Stoner,Pedrosa and Lorenzo and thats a fact

Stoner's assessment is spot on!

@jurelrossanyonsmith-gk1pb

13 күн бұрын

this is quite simple, why dont ,stoner, rossi, doohan, and others start their own version of motor cycle racing like superbikes.then we would have 3 different catagories to look at. cheers.

Stoner should be in charge of MotoGP. He is level headed, wise and, speaks 100% truth. I believe he is also the greatest talent to the sport and would bring back new life to motorcycle racing if placed in charge of Dorna. Dorna is to Political. MotoGP is going in a horrible direction and it will begin to shut down soon. People will lose interest and OUR sport will suffer due to control by monopoly and political share holder stake. Suzuki is gone. Kawasaki is gone. I am surprised Honda and Yamaha have not left. Perhaps each nation should have its own MotoGP and cut Dorna out! Then we can all come together and leave the political snakes behind to suffer.

Why British Superbikes is getting so popular. It’s my favorite, no traction control or anti wheelie.

If both Mick Doohan and Casey, and Pit are saying similar things, maybe they are on to something, all the aero and active electronics are taking away from the rider's natural ability to make decisions, IE: regarding the amount of throttle for the grip available, put the skill back into the riders' hands, not the technicians with the lap top sitting on the pit wall as the case in F1.

This to me, underscores the greatness of Valentino Rossi. He won on 125, 250, and 500cc 2-strokes, then stepped over to the 4-stroke and reeled off 4 straight titles on 2 different bikes. Marquez had basically the same bike which was pretty much designed around him for his entire championship run.

@KellyLaird-qk9ku

Ай бұрын

Valentino is the GoaT

@rmzxr4395

Ай бұрын

Electronic aids have ruined MOTGP. Very few of the current riders could tame the 500cc two stroke animals and Marquez would have killed himself or someone else with his riding aggression. Vale is the GOAT btw.

@KellyLaird-qk9ku

Ай бұрын

@rmzxr4395 no 2 ways everyone knows VaLentino Rossi is the GOAT of MotoGP

@marcpaola1371

Ай бұрын

@@KellyLaird-qk9ku don't say that to Stoner. He will tell you that he himself is the greatest ever, nobody could do what he could!

@someone7507

Ай бұрын

This comparrison should not even take place :))). Rossi has proven his talent over and over again, on different bikes with different technologies. There is Rossi, and then the ones who follow. And I am not a Rossi fan.... but talent is talent and it can't be taken away from him.

Many coming from Moto2 have said how much easier it is to ride Moto Gp bikes despite their increased speed and power.

@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains

2 ай бұрын

Source?

@poochbaloo5995

2 ай бұрын

Do you even watch moto gp dude, go watch acosta interview he just switched to moto gp.

@superwrench9445

2 ай бұрын

Who said that exactly ?

@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains

2 ай бұрын

@@superwrench9445 thia guy clearly lying

@zacharyradford5552

2 ай бұрын

Peccos stated it.

The best and most competent 'RIDERS' were in the 2 stroke engine era...no rider 'aids' whatsoever...the rider aids were in the rider's mind, wrist, fingers and body position. That was, to me, the most 'pure' form of showcasing the rider's talent and skill level. Not saying the current crop of pilots aren't 'aliens'...the previous riders were simply 'more alien'...LOL.

@torangclayruz4098

2 ай бұрын

He's not the most competent in 2 stroke era, Dani was a champ in 2 years in a row.

@tonybutters1953

2 ай бұрын

Boomer moment. I believe that right up until electronic aids were introduced riders were always paid to ride on the edge of crashing. I believe the riders you reminisce of are two sides of the same coin to stoner. Engine, Suspension and tyre development improved so the only real difference was how fast they would be going when they crashed. I don’t think either bike would be scarier or more difficult to ride on with period correct equipment.

@classicraceruk1337

2 ай бұрын

@@torangclayruz4098Danni has never won the 500cc Championship he was a double 250cc champion. A very very very different class. Danni was good on those 500cc strokers.

@classicraceruk1337

2 ай бұрын

I agree those 500cc monsters needed skill and balls to ride.

@Virvum_Juggernaut

2 ай бұрын

Mick Doohan could handle the power band of the 500cc 2-strokes. 🇦🇺

They are not . Electronics have ruined the sport .

@sfprivateer

Ай бұрын

And the increase of aerodynamics ruin it even more. Compare the racing from 2019 season to racing in 2023 season. Outside of few sprints, the amount of overtakes and close racing has reduced dramatically

I agree totally with Stoner. Gone are the days of the really skilled riders, where technique and smoothness were vitally important. Bikes have become to easy to ride. They make all rider's look good even the road going bikes.

@wsmc723

2 ай бұрын

If they are so easy to ride then maybe you should line up in Qatar in a few weeks and show us just how easy it really is.

Stoner is TOTALLY RIGHT!!! The amount of rider control on the bike when i started following MotoGP and the amount of it now is visibly different. Maybe not for non-fans but i can see it clearly. Where's Randy Mamola doing powerslides on a 2stroke from this today? Long time ago,on original Dutch TT galaxy... with the layout not destroyed and turned into a parking lot there use to be racing without anyone else but rider controlling the motorcycle. Now,we're screwed 'cause you just can't beat the corps.

The cream always rises to the top The best riders will always find a way to win

@motorzeff

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. Its actually as simple as that. Folks here think that riding the current bikes is like a walk in the park for some reason

@stewartdillard7199

2 ай бұрын

Pecco isn't the best rider on the grid. He's simply the best rider on a Ducati and even that is questionable. Marc going to Ducati will more than likely prove my point should he adapt decently well

@CC-xu2yz

2 ай бұрын

​@@stewartdillard7199Maybe, but it's best to never slight a double world champion. Pecco is better than he is given credit for.

@motorzeff

2 ай бұрын

@@stewartdillard7199You know what I mean, however what you then want is a one make series like moto2.. Anyway, let's discuss again in the summer break.

@SomeFreeTimeActivities

2 ай бұрын

You're saying prime rossi can win on the current Yamaha? 😂

Absolutely 100% agree! Look how fast Dani is on the KTM! he whips everyone except Brad! Absolute legend!

They're talking about 850cc engines for 27. Last time they dropped the capacity it wasn't long before they went back 1000cc. it doesn't really reduce speed.

@andyfry745

2 ай бұрын

Good point..even in f1 when the time comes and they drop to a 1liter engine the engineers will still make it go 230 mph

@johndoe-im9fr

2 ай бұрын

They are only dying this because the EU is forcing manufacturers to be heavily regulated and the 1000cc bikes are not worth the cost to build on the road. Yamaha has official announced the death of the R1 in Europe. Soon itl be the death of the R1 everywhere.

@humandroid53

2 ай бұрын

Be better if they limit the fuel and the revs.@@andyfry745

Yes, back in the day there was Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner, Pedrosa and a couple more who were good. But, it was tough to get a bike right and competitive. Nowadays everyone can sit on a MotoGP bike and go fast. I bet some amateurs would do surprisingly well on these GP bikes.

He speaks the truth. While it's incredible to watch the new guys cornering with their shoulders on the pavement, there's a level of "on the edge" that's missing compared to the old days (yes, I was there for the 2-strokes). Watching a RIDER make the most ballsy, physics-defying moves to make a pass in a corner is becoming a rare thing. Stoner, Rossi, Marquez and Pedrosa were the last of that breed. I think Binder would probably adapt well to reduction in electronics, he has that vibe.

@zacharyradford5552

2 ай бұрын

The games changed. Barry Sheen wouldn’t be able to run with Pecco on the Desmo, and same Pecco wouldn’t be able to run with Barry on the RG500. The skill may have dropped a bit but the physicality has raised dramatically. That would have been twiggy smoking Barry’s problem same as how it was Stoners problem.

Casey was another level and rode around the problems especially on the Ducati at its worst.The F1 bikes of today make it much easier for someone to ride.

@marcpaola1371

2 ай бұрын

Troy Bayliss did a LOT of the development of that ducati before stoner got there.

@PaulConnor100

2 ай бұрын

@marcpaola1371 Funny who won the 2007 Championship when nobody else could ride the bike, beyond it's potential. # 27 Case closed .😉

@marcpaola1371

2 ай бұрын

@PaulConnor100 no not case closed it was developed and ready by the time Casey got on it. Troy has spoken at length about it.

@PaulConnor100

2 ай бұрын

@@marcpaola1371 😂🤣

I 100% agree with Casey Stoner.

Some riders ended their careers with happiness and joy embracing the future with joy for the next generation and some don’t and will never understand that playing the game of blame and excuses just makes it harder move on

Times change. Adapting is the key to success. If you took all the tech away the riders would adapt back to a stoner era. The real skill is using and exploiting any and everything that's available. Which is what we see.

@jamess-yg7ym

2 ай бұрын

I agree but I think what stoner is saying is that if you take away those electronics and aero how many of the top riders would be able to adapt and stay at the top

@hubertmillet1166

2 ай бұрын

thanks a lot .. the concept of adaptation disappears everywhere today

@silverdale3207

2 ай бұрын

I guess it comes down to what you are trying to showcase , the bike or the rider and since the riders are working for the manufacturers they will always favour the bikes. Personally I'd rather see no electronics ( the way I prefer to ride) and it come down to skill but I guess it's the manufacturers that fund the sport not the riders.

@fetB

2 ай бұрын

@@paulmolles4445 nobody is saying they arent fast, but the ranking would definitely be mixed up

@ianisas

2 ай бұрын

@@fetB Kinda irrelevant though. Put them on 50cc scooters and the ranking will change. A bike with aids and without aids is a massive difference even in the way it'd be designed.

Absolutely correct. Traction control destroyed car racing as well. It's part of the reason classic car racing is growing in popularity as F1 becomes self-driving go-carts.

@black7rc720

Ай бұрын

F1 has no Traction Control. F1 has no ABS.

I grew up riding bikes in an era when a Z1300 or a CBX1000 was a sports bike. The first bike I owned with ABS was a 2006 Suzuki Bandit SAK6. I spent at least an hour riding up & down my road braking from only 40mph as hard as I dared wanting to experience what it felt like when the ABS kicked in. But as soon as the front compressed & the back end went light I instinctively let go of the front brake. I guess that was a long ingrained survival response? But that has served me well. Much younger friends are much faster than myself on their 2020+ bikes with loads of built in gadgets to stop them ending up in A&E. However, I do wonder how they'd fair on a bike from my early days of riding? 🤔

@RedBud315

2 ай бұрын

Those I think were considered some of the first Superbikes. I've been riding for 45+ years and never even owned a bike with ABS. And just yesterday I had a car turn left in front of me while riding my XR150 and I was easily able to grab a handful of front brake w/out face planting myself and avoided the car. I bet all the other car drivers nearby thought I was going to hit him. The most modern bike I've owned was my '05 Buell XB12 SCG which was actually the best handling bike I had ridden and it was on the bottom end of available technology of its day. It's actually the only bike I ever had with a computer and that was for the fuel injection.

@darrenjpeters

2 ай бұрын

CBX 1000 was considered a sports bike for a couple of years, until the release of the CB 900, sure, but the Z 1300 was always a big heavy touring bike, nothing like a sports bike. The Kawasaki sports bike at the time was the Z 1000.

There is a big difference racing a super bike with electronic aids VS. no rider aids.

@kasper-jw2441

2 ай бұрын

motogp and superbike are comparing apples to pears. its different.

@routerider9542

2 ай бұрын

Comparing a 500cc GP bike to the bikes they have today in Moto GP are also "apples to pears", what's your point? @@kasper-jw2441

@curtisfitzsimmons377

2 ай бұрын

Yesss thats why i love the Gen 3 zx10r. Fully mapped and tuned but fully unrestricted power

@Virvum_Juggernaut

2 ай бұрын

Yes, they’re lethal if you don’t remain vigilant … so imagine what a GP bike would be like without electronic aids.

@kasper-jw2441

2 ай бұрын

@@Virvum_Juggernaut probably unrideable, they have to change the whole dna of a gp bike.

Gone are the days of the True Motorcyclists,such as Barry Sheene,Kenny Roberts,Wayne Gardner,Freddie Spencer,Mick Doohan,Kevin Scwantz to Valentino Rossi.

in any competition, winner is always the person who played the rules of the game at the best as compared to others. it is a fact that the technology is helping rider achieving better timing

Spies said the same thing. Basicslly the last real talented moyorcycle riders are in WSBK, and motoGP are the most talented passengers.

Just like in boxing you can't compare different riders from different era's with different technologies with respect to casey who I have always had great admiration for ' you have to ride what you've got' casey more than anyone knows this because this was his main strong point. As far as the technologies are concerned nothing we say will change anything 😊

MM had won 4 WC in 3 classes by 2016 when traction control was introduced, so I’m sure he knows how to ride the ass off it without aids…. Do you think most young adults with high performance cars such as M3s, M5s, RS6s, AMG63s etc etc could drive them without ABS, traction, ESP etc etc etc ? As the Chief Technician for the GTR program, Kazutoshi Mizuno said without the current software and hardware aids the car would kill you as to control such a machine on a road carries risk…

@submariner1348

2 ай бұрын

Huh? Traction control started with the 500's in the late 1990's. Marquez has never ridden a Motogp Bike without serious rider aids, particularly in his first years before the Control ECU was introduced.

@Incountry

2 ай бұрын

@@submariner1348 Huh..??? Duh..!!!

@sankisets2368

2 ай бұрын

​@@submariner1348 the same specifications bike was also ridden by others also in marc era & marc was chmapion already

@itsrye8001

2 ай бұрын

​@@submariner1348duh. hater.

@rafinaufaldihaykal268

2 ай бұрын

traction control was introduced wayy before 2016 man. a rider can ride well with electronics doesnt meant they didnt know how to ride, like casey said it just lessen the fun and human part of the sport, yes they are fast but the root of motogp was always about the rider not the bike

Come on, anyone who watched the 500cc two strokes, and then watered down 800cc and 1000cc remembers how MotoGP became more like F1, rider didn't matter as much as the bike. Even Lorenzo and Stoner already rode in an era where there was way more electronics compensating for them. It's not even close.

Stoner is absolutely right today's motogp doesn't feel exciting bzoc everything even the riders feels monotonous riders nowadays lacks personality and character the change was very much needed

This sport is about whos the fastest. Do what ever you can within the rules to be in front. If you are less competence don't blame technology

@UntouchableRD

2 ай бұрын

Stoner is so annoying. I mean he is not wrong, but it’s getting tiring. Shouldn’t have retired so early if he has so many opinions…

@stephenreid5707

2 ай бұрын

With current technology, it is the best bike that wins not the best rider

@JohannSebastianKrach

2 ай бұрын

@@stephenreid5707imagine in Motorsport the fastest wins lol

@ThermicLight

2 ай бұрын

@@UntouchableRD - He retired early due to significant medical reasons.

@UntouchableRD

2 ай бұрын

@@ThermicLight exactly, he wants less rider aids. But had a career cut short from injury. Rider aids are by far safer.

Bang on...Stoner is totally right 👍

I think it's simple, riders who adapt well will last. Blaming bikes having too much technology is just as bad as blaming bikes having too little technology. Why not blame yourself for not being able to adapt the bike while others can?

Stoner never minces his words . MotoGP is becoming like F1. Time for a radical shift.

And Pedro Acosta is now proving that talent still makes the difference

Stoner had all the traction control he needed in his right hand.

Smooth is fast the electronics help to smooth out the bike far more than any human can but the rider is still the one that needs the feel to get any information out of the bike and the skill to know how to ride the bike and when to use what aerodynamics are cheaper to engineer than a new engine. To win you need to be faster than your competition this is what it takes….

Definitely. And on top of that, riders in touch with their motorcycle through feeling and without tech assists will result in more spectacular racing.

I agree of what Stoner says

Yoy can't blame the new riders, they are just players of an ever changing game.

Even if you added these rider aids in the past the same riders who won would still be dominant. And almost all riders train in dirt tracks...so what is stoner talking about.

@wradford1

2 ай бұрын

Exactly 💯 %

Stoner is spot on!

I think it is more that riders don't get to develop their own potential as much as they should/want

Great riders adapt!

I disagree. If everyone has access to the same technology, the competition will be there among pilots... there have been improvements on tires, for instance. What we should do? return to tire technology from the fifties, so as we have less grip and more talent from pilots? To me it does not make too much sense those statements...

@shyamgopal3327

2 ай бұрын

That doesn't make sense to you because you are thinking from a "SAFE" perspective. Realistically speaking, RACING WILL NEVER BE SAFE. Which obviously a legend like Stoner do know better.

I agree fully with Casey no electronic system at all and no areo Then we will see who the true best riders are.

I agree. I dont' want to take away anything from this new era of riders, but Technology masks a lot of shortcomings of newer riders. You don't have to be as good anymore.

Sometimes people keep forgetting that motorsports are in fact a team sport. It's not JUST about the rider. It's also about the hundreds, if not thousands of people, that are behind the scenes developing new techniques and technologies that eventually trickle down to the regular consumer. Less regulation would be better overall for the sport, but the drivers/riders would lose their so called "celebrity" status. That's why some are against it, despite their enormous talent. Also, everyone rides under the same set of regulations so... GIT GUD instead of complaining on the internet.

@madjayax731

2 ай бұрын

This the basic of Motorsport: drivers/riders are the overrated components of teams consist ton of engineering.

@CC-xu2yz

2 ай бұрын

​@@madjayax731Motorcycling used to be the exception to that "rule", but no more.

Why can't we hear from his mouth with his own voice?

@sankisets2368

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

Back in the day of big horsepower 500cc 2 stroke 3 and V4 engines, it was all rider ability. Those bikes were extremely difficult to ride fast. The TZ750 that was raced everywhere and heavily modified. The one Kenny Roberts rode to win the Indy Mile flat track was a miracle he finished unhurt. Of course some technology should be allowed to improve rideability. Hopefully they get it right to keep interest in racing

All aspects of life are electronic now and technology moves on so quickly. I also loved the racing without all the electronics but still enjoy it today. The riders still have to ride their bikes and it is interesting to see how the manufacturers and teams adapt and who comes up with the best solutions and the brains behind it all.

Stoner needs to remember he never competed on a 500cc stroker ( unlike Rossi). The bike he rode were all 4 strokes. The 990’s were hairy but nowhere near a 500cc stroker.

@andrewshipp2739

2 ай бұрын

And if he did, he would have been exceptional. But it's true that almost none of a given era's riders, rode the previous era's bikes. It's always what ifs.

@classicraceruk1337

2 ай бұрын

@@andrewshipp2739 He never was exceptional and to think he could have ridden those strokers is a huge ask. Riders better than him Rainey, Doohan etc were eventually destroyed by them. Stoner was hardly in a different era. Rossi has not long been retired, he was older than Stoner is now when he stopped.

@andrewshipp2739

2 ай бұрын

@@classicraceruk1337 haha. Stoner was never exceptional. I'm sorry but I disagree vehemently with that opinion.

@classicraceruk1337

2 ай бұрын

@@andrewshipp2739 You can disagree if you like. A two times world champion does not make a rider exceptional. How would you rate the riders who have won five of more championships.Riders who won multiple World Championships and multiple IOM TT’s when they were in the championship. Then of course you come to the Exceptional Legend that was Sir John Surtees. On this factual basis I violently disagree with your strange reasoning on the word Exceptional. Stoner is not even the best Australian motorcycle racer that goes to Doohan.

@Hallsy6755

2 ай бұрын

​@@classicraceruk1337you peanut

Tell em'! Stoner had TC built in.

Stoner nailed it. Even VR stated he was probably the best rider he ever competed against. It's not "old man" / "sour cherries" either.

Absolutely agreed, one of the main reasons why I stopped watching F1 and turned to MotoGP was because it was more raw and genuine. It seems to be moving away from honest racing over the last few years….Well done Stoner

@Will-ef2tw

2 ай бұрын

I feel the same way WRC as well. ausi v8 supercars are pretty cool tho.

If electronic closes the field, then it’s a good thing. Having one rider blast off leading start to finish is not exciting to watch. Close up racing with multiple overtakes is exciting to watch.

@CC-xu2yz

2 ай бұрын

I don't think so. And I have been watching since the 70's. The aero and electronics and bureaucracy are not making a better sport.

Exactly. Too many things added in the bike that it doesnt even look like a bike anymore. The wings are also sooo fkng ugly.

@themalaailaanaa1347

Ай бұрын

Shud up

Stoner is absolutely right and note that he never claimed that today's riders are worse than those during his era. He says that regulations and politics have spoiled the whole ecosystem, including the riders who are now depending more on their electronics without which their bikes would be ridden in an entirely different fashion. This is a great analogy on what happens in an economy when governments distort market signaling and capital allocation in the market with excessive regulations, bureaucratic costs, licensing restrictions and taxes.

Stoner is right , pure riding style doesn’t need electronics .. all u need is skills .. it’s not about the bike .. it’s about the rider ✌️

WE MISS YOU CASEY STONER

Casey Stoner is in my opinion one of the most capable riders in performance, riding skills and tech know how. An allround motorsport expert next to Dani Pedrosa.

@61js

2 ай бұрын

Dani.

@andyfry745

2 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣stoner had his day and dropped off..pedrosa is an amazing rider shown in development of the shitty,now great ktm …stoner should stick to sitting at the back of an Aussie touring car grid with his dummy

@okkie1958

2 ай бұрын

@@andyfry745 you must be an expert on the matter 🤡

@chrisbraid2907

2 ай бұрын

Marc has dropped off also, he just doesn’t want to recognise it !

@CC-xu2yz

2 ай бұрын

​@@chrisbraid2907How has he dropped off?

Stoner is built different though. He’s very talented rider that can adopt to the bike. He’s 💯 right

totally 💯 agree!

Well said, champion

Just as any other sport old players keep criticising the new generation to make them feel they were better. Evolution is part of life stop being bitter.

Great video

could not agree more, this is also evident on production bikes nowadays having ABS, EBS, QS etc…making the bike easier to ride/safer but not necessary to have the right riding skills.

stoner is 100% RIGHT.

Sometimes too much can be a problem

I don't care whether the riders are "better" or not, than Stoner's era. I love the racing we have, I think the Teams and Riders should govern what the rules are. As a journalist adroitly pointed out, are they going to make the bikes "slower" than WSBK and still call them the fastest most elite riders in the world?

To me a guy who retired that soon after just some years of top riding should stay silent and respect those who decided to keep on risking their life under immense pressure, exactly what he didn't manage to achieve. Half of his career he has been named "Rolling Stoner" for a reason. He should stop acting like the best rider ever existed.

Every generation of rider can then use this same argument. According to this logic the very best riders were the very first generation of motorcycle racers.

Totally agree with him 👏 👏👏👏👏👏👏

Casey Stoner's is one unique rider with who speaks wisdom and logic about motogp setup

The 2 strokes were 160hp. The current 1000s are 280+hp. Does Stoner really think he could ride the current breed of bikes without rider aids?

@61js

2 ай бұрын

Nope. The 500's were 200+ bhp and 135 kg. Most of that power was delivered in a very narrow power band. That's why they were difficult to master at the limit.

@Hallsy6755

2 ай бұрын

Of course he could 🤦‍♂️

@ronanrogers4127

2 ай бұрын

Stoner rode 4 strokes, so what’s your point? Doohan rode 2T and there’s no rider today as good as he was

@MrLeeson660

2 ай бұрын

Of course he could, stoner and guys at his level (not many) can ride anything

@motorzeff

2 ай бұрын

@@ronanrogers4127 point is that we've had rider aids since the 4 strokes came along into motogp.

HIS REAR TYRE ALWAYS WENT FASTER THAN THE FRONT

I agree ,whit Stoner statement

Compétences in moto GP has evolved, they are differents from older days, comparing the both is nonsens. Stoner might have been a very good pilot back in the days but his words weigh not very much nowadays, he doesn't know anymore what it is like to really pilots those new bikes. Those bikes simply can not be piloted without electronics because they are far more powerful than any bike Stoner has ever piloted.

Pedrosa comes back for two races and kicks butts. It's pretty clear.

I thought the first bit of traction control came when Casey Stoner was riding a Ducati

He Has Some Points, But you always want the Bike to do what you want,, Not have to Controll it all the time,

It was fun to watch then now is boring

I agree with him 100%

I definitely have to respect Casey Stoner, it's the technology implemented that might diminish rider skills.

Yes

Prior to electronics, we used to call him crasher Stoner, how ironic. Ducati only won with Stoner because they were the only ones using the Bridgestone tyre. The following year, Rossi beat him on a slower bike. Credit where it’s due; when Stoner went to Honda, he was a beast, would loved to have seen him go against Marquez for a couple of seasons.

@Bozzzzzz007

2 ай бұрын

They called him rolling Stoner

He's completely correct 💯

Coming from very probably the most naturally gifted riders ever, I'll definitely go with what Casey says.

I hate when retired athletes bad mouth the current crop....

Our BSB riders shifting to WSB and vice versa struggle to adapt.

100% Right. Even Rossi said in the early days of the 4 stroke era that he felt like he was cheating. Even different tyre manufacturers back then put the onus back on the rider.