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@melorca1962

5 ай бұрын

LDS church certainly has a long tradition of lying and gaslighting. Another massacre that has not received a lot of attention is the Circleville Massacre where Mormons killed Paiute Indians (including children).

The Mormon ability to "Lie for the Lord" was truly sharpened with this massacre.

Such a treat, both of you are very engaging with each other and the audience. Great episode

Talk about sickening and disgusting.

This whole series has been so fascinating. (Also, just when I think I couldn't be more obsessed with Carah, she references Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.)

@CarahBurrell

5 ай бұрын

ITS ONLY MY FAVORITE MOVIE AND MY DAUGHTER’S MIDDLE NAME IS HANNAH

I'll have to go and check out the other parts as well

This whole series is so very important. Well done.

Really great series! Thanks!

Break the silence. Break the cycle.

@Jsppydays

5 ай бұрын

You can hope.

Yeah, the Mountain Meadows Massacre was the worst. despicable marcus

This church is so use to lying they can't remember the truth. GOD doesn't need you to lie for him. PERIOD.

That was a really good series

Great job !

Fascinating and horrifying.

Thanks ladies, great show. Wondering if Barbara has any news regarding the decoding of Brigham Young’s financial ledgers and other personal effects. In the article “Communicating in Code”, Utah Historical Quarterly, Volume 89, Number 4, 2021, mathematicians had begun to decipher some of Young’s codes; including the Patterson and Kane ciphers and codes. It appears the Mormons were ordered to Blood Atone anyone who entered the Utah territory in the fall of 1857. Young was expecting the US Army to arrive earlier than it did at Ham’s Fork on September 28th, 1857. Brigham ordered his Major Lot Smith to burn 52 wagons filled with their winter provisions and to drive off hundreds of military animals on October 5th, 1857- so they may have thought the Baker-Fancher wagon train was there to service the 2,500 US Army soldiers dispatched by Buchanan in May of 1857?

Grateful for historians who dig up the past.

Really appreciating this series. I’m new to this host. Not sure about her “humor” in this context. Thoroughly enjoyed Brown’s storytelling though.

It feels like there is a falsely exculpatory nature to this book in trying to absolve Brigham Young. John D. Lee certainly got hung out to dry and all the leaders knew it.

@olyokie

5 ай бұрын

This is entirely on the Brigham the bum. His ego led to this and other atrocities. Anyone who ever helped hide these facts are accessory to the crimes.

37:10 is there a company in Salt Lake City that does like ex Mormon tours? Where they drive around tell the truth about everything.

Wasn't Brigham Young actually the one who ordered it.

@CarahBurrell

5 ай бұрын

Nah, but if you watch more of the earlier videos you'll understand why his policies led to it.

@olyokie

5 ай бұрын

Not in so many words…..but yeah ultimately it was on him.

@CarahBurrell

5 ай бұрын

Your can’t say he “ordered” it though. That’s what we discuss here in this video and the last.

@olyokie

5 ай бұрын

@@CarahBurrell Please forgive my anger and indignation. We can split legal hairs til the cows come home but his “want to be king ego” created the environment and his having natives supported by militia attack the immigrants in previous raids pretty much guaranteed this would happen. I for one think he left the office early when he found out purely out of fear for his position and not because of an ounce of remorse. Cannot believe there is a university plus god knows what else named after that……person. Makes me want to believe in an everlasting hell. Again forgive me but Ive been repulsed by the “monkish ignorance and superstition” as Jefferson put it for a good deal longer than ya’ll.

@olyokie

5 ай бұрын

Did you remove my last comment?

36:09 Nuance: "He (Lee) had a heart at least." Brown: "He did have a heart...yeah." What you meant to say is that Lee had a heart that pump ice-cold blood like mass m3rD&r3r$.

@CarahBurrell

2 ай бұрын

We were talking about Brigham, not Lee and just in the instance of feeling sick over the news of the massacre.

24:23 I have an issue with the Mormons, who on one hand accuse never and/or exmos, of not understanding the fear/paranoia/trauma, of the events of Missouri and Illinois, but then have little to no empathy or desire to learn about the traumas caused to people of colour, or the LGBTQA2+ experience. I honestly feel it is disingenuous (maybe unintentional) and comes from a fear of understanding and acknowledging their own past.

I wonder with all the $$ the Mormon church has, they would prevent a movie from being made?

Did they mention that this was a very wealthy southern group, VERY WEALTHY, and poof 💨 did the families get that back for the children, what about the beautiful buggy/wagon very ornate that Brigham road in , in a parade in Slc for pioneer days? Hmmmmmmm

Love this series and love the sweater vest. Could you BE any cuter?!

@CarahBurrell

5 ай бұрын

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