Dude you were the frist one taht talk about this idea, now my friends hate me, love your content keep the good work

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked it! Will do! I will be popping out videos every Monday for the foreseeable future :P

I’m currently building a Miirym deck, and I am using a lot of flicker effects but I love the cloning ones you are using so I’m definitely going to add a lot of them. Should be hilarious once it gets going

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Glad you were able to get some ideas!

Damn I'm gonna redo my Miirym deck to this and see how it goes. I've always wanted to play a clone deck! Awesome deck tech!

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked it! Happy it inspired you!

Hilarious! I have an extremely fun Vial/Saka Clone tribal deck my pod hates and half the time I am cloning their best pieces instead of mine. It was brutal when Sakashima’s student etb as opponents omniscience then spark double entered as the same opponents Avacyn angel of hope. Clones are my second favourite tribe after slivers :-) keep up the awesome work.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

This is simply amazing!

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I actually had a similar idea for Miirym when it was spoiled - sure, it's gonna go in my Ur-Dragon deck, but by itself, this build is ridiculously good and I'm here for it! Definitely interested in seeing the clone-only build, too!

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Will definitely keep that in mind!

@Turntwobounceland

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern Awesome! Also, Mirror Box would be a spicy include here!

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@Turntwobounceland The problem with Mirror Box is that it only pumps nontoken creatures with the same name. And, the tokens are nonlegendary so they don't get the legendary creature pump. If it were just to ignore the legend rule, Sakashima of a Thousand Faces is enough. Once you have at least one nonlegendary token copy of Miirym, you can have every clone just enter the battlefield as a copy of the nonlegendary token copy, thus having no need to bypass the legend rule at all.

I would love to see the clone focused build. This is a great idea that is not just another dragon deck.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad you liked it! Will definitely consider it!

@willo7734

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, another vote for clone-only from me. That sounds amazing and hilarious.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@willo7734 Awesome! You can find that link in my most recent post as well in the updated video description :)

Unfortunately the majority of my clone cards are in my rogues deck lol, this is a fantastic way to go about builing miirym and i love how generally cost effective it can be. Great tech!

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked it!

I love this build. And will probably be making a very similar build. Partial dragon, partial clones. It’s hard to justify any dragons with mana costs higher than 5 though when you could just play your commander and copy him.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! The best dragon in the deck is - for all effects and purposes - Miirym!

Wow, I didn't realize it. This is a great list

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked it!

That combo with the Wrathful Red Dragon and Blasphemous Act ist the most brutal gameender i saw. The whole table can be oneshoted with ease.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It's quite evil, right?! 😈

@tdot8280

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern yep, did you consider Ashling's Prerogative for the token support?

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@tdot8280 That would be too much build around. I don't think it would be worth a slot.

@charlied8284

2 жыл бұрын

Add damage multipliers like gratuitous violence or furnace of Rath

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlied8284 While those could be quite devastating, I honestly find them to be winmore. You're already creating dozens of flying 6/6's. Plus they're getting their power doubled, dealing damage when entering the battlefield, etc. Games are already ending pretty quickly.

Thank you for the video I took a similar approach with maybe a little more dragon I haven’t tried it yet tho as I am building an omnath gate deck first Myriam is gonna replace my Orvar deck that is too play alone

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! I'm glad that Omnath can finally win via Maze's End. It was about time Maze's End could be pulled off in decks that weren't 5-colored.

While I didnt go full cray-cray with Miirym, where I only included Identity thief, spark double, and irenicus vile duplication; and focus more on dragon tribal, I did use this strategy for my Adrix and Nev-deck, aiming to go full cray-cray there with copies of Adrix and nev, with sub-theme of stealing or cloning other ppl's creatures too.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! That works well because if you're cloning nonlegendary version of Adrix and Nev, the token multiplication is absolutely astonishing!

@The Commander Tavern i love your deck idea on this Commander a lot and doing similar deck of my own like it

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad it was helpful!

@Chris-Collectible

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern also I’m going to put at least over 4 clone type cards in my deck

I’m leaning into bounce tribal more so I can abuse thinks like cloudstone curio and thassa god of the sea effects animar and song of creation are allstars in the deck as well

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! That works super well too because you can get the original clone back when the copy token enters the battlefield, allowing you to cast it multiple times in a game. Then again, Cloudstone Curio was always a busted card ;)

Quick update, deck is going strong!!!! Threw in bit more card draw but other than that I'm loving it!

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Glad you're having fun with it!

Excellent build will have to test this one out, what are your thoughts on a vid on Baba lysaga :0

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked it! Baba Lysaga is definitely interesting. But, since I feel like she's more for the 99 in a Mazirek deck, I'd have to see if I can get inspired enough to build a whole deck around her.

I don't make crazy amounts of Miirym but I do focus on her triggers with cards like Panharmonicon and Strionic Resonator. I make maybe 1 or 2 copies of Miirym and then blast in Scourage and Terror nuking players for upwards of 60 damage from the sheer amount of copies of dragons and the doubling down on the triggered abilities. It's wild but very fun. Just be careful Miirym is an on sight target for removal since she goes so crazy. Have fun and enjoy playing her

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Panharmonicon is definitely a busted card in Miirym! I don't worry about spot removal too much simply due to all of the tokens and interaction I already have in the deck. Once I started cloning Miirym, any spot removal will have to be had in multipled to get rid of all of them. Even if the original is gone, so long as I have copies of Miirym, I can keep exponentially growing my Miirym clone army.

Im still sort of going for a dragon tribal with Mirrym coz I wanna use some of my dragons. However, I will mix in some cloning cards coz my friends have an Eldrazi Titan that really annoys me. At least if it emerges, I can use it against them for major lolz. Thanks for this 😁

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! Glad it was useful! Nice! The best thing about the clones is that you can always just clone Miirym when there isn't anything else better to clone. But if your opponents have eldrazi titans than those are obviously better choices, lol.

@7swordquanta459

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern Just a thought. I can even use Double Major. The card didn't say it's a copy token. So correct me if I'm wrong. Will Miirym's effect trigger?

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@7swordquanta459 Miirym won't copy it because the copy is a token; Miirym will only copy the original one.

@7swordquanta459

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern Oh okay. Thanks for clarifying.

Elemental bond is a great cheap mana card draw effect too.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Very true!

Dont forget mirror box, reflections of littjara and maskwood nexus!

nice deck!

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked it!

this reminds me of my reverse voltron orvar. fun times

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Orvar is definitely a fun commander. I even built a 5-color Orvar deck and the insanity is beyond entertaining :P

Something worth noting, when you have a clone enter as a copy of miirym, you still had a nontoken dragon enter, so the clone will earn you a non legendary token copy as well, which will give you something to clone moving forward. Really, as long as you stick the original miirym and resolve a clone and its etb, you don’t particularly have to worry about the legend rule at all because you just make the clones after enter as copies of the non legendary miirym.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, that's exactly what I explain in the video. Once you get that first nonlegendary token copy of Miirym, every clone afterwards should enter as a copy of the nonlegendary token. This means that the legendary rule doesn't matter at all anyways. I explain it in the video with the animation example.

@connorl0204

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern you explained it very shortly in the video after i made the comment. But you still seemed to focus in decently heavily on the relevance of the legend rule

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@connorl0204 I did so in order for anyone watching to realize how important it is to not keep cloning the original Miirym; to clone the nonlegendary copies. That way no bad habits are developed.

If your running snow duals and snow lands you should also run Into The North

@TheCommanderTavern

Жыл бұрын

Definitely! I've been doing that recently with most of my other decks.

I definitely want to see all clones!!

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

I posted the list a while ago. You can find the link in a post I made a month ago.

@richardlewis1510

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern appreciate it! Been thinking about this list for a while and your video shed some new light on it!

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardlewis1510 Thanks! Glad it was helpful!

With dead eye navigator in the deck you have to run mana echoes and chromatic Orrery for infinite mana of any color!

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Chromatic Orrery is too expensive. It'd be better to run Goldspan Dragon instead since it goes infinite with Deadeye Navigator and Ganax. Ganax gives you a treasure token that Goldspan Dragon lets us crack for UU to keep going. Infinite triggers for everything, too (ETB's, LTB's, artifacts cracked, etc.)

@brandonreder9869

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern I guess I didn't think about those 2 interacting with each other, I already have them in my Miirym deck, I'm going to get Deadeye navigator and a few other clone/blink spells for her once I get back to the states.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonreder9869 Nice!

yesss full clone deck list please :D very nice video !!

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked it! Will definitely consider posting the full clone deck sometime soon :)

This is as sacrilegious as Tribal Tribal with Ur-Dragon at the helm....but at least the clones become dragons so I'll allow it.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Clones are anything you want them to be, after all ;)

@randommindz6782

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern 9:25 considering the commander's 6 to cast...I wouldn't call it wishful thinking to hold 7 mana in a dragon deck.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@randommindz6782 You'd be casting 1 spell per turn at that point, though, assuming you don't miss land drops or mana acceleration spells.

I had this exact same idea!!! Im still including stuff like scourge of valkas and terror of peaks obviously but the clones just feel like cheating.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

I know, right!? Super busted.

Do you have the decklist anywhere? I thought of making a clone tribal but never had a commander for it yet

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! I was also always looking for the best commander for clone tribal but was never satisfied with one until Miirym was spoiled :P As mentioned in the video's outro, all the decklist links are in the video's description (even the alternate versions).

Yup, this is happening :D

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Noice!

5:01 why does glasspool mimic not enter as a token when copying the nonlegendary copy of miirym? My friends argue it doesn't trigger miirym because it's a copy of a token and miirym only copies nontoken creatures

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Tokens are placeholder objects representing something in the game (in this case, a creature). They are NOT cards. However, if an actual card (in this case, Mirrorpool Mimic) copies a token, the literal card doesn't become a token. Since it's an actual card and not a token, Miirym copies it because it's a nontoken dragon when it enters the battlefield as a copy of the nonlegendary Miirym. Token is not a property nontoken copy effects copy.

Panharmonicon functionally acts as a token doubler and is MUCH cheaper that the enchantments.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Yup! Panharmonicon is amazing here! The enchantments are too because they interact directly with Miirym, if nothing else. But them being so expensive, you can definitely not run them at all in the deck (as I mentioned). So thanks for suggesting Panharmonicon since that is such an amazing substitute for any of them!

how does it work? doesn´t the legendary rule result in sacrificing the clone, because he is another Miirym and there can be only one at a time?

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, that's what I explain in the video. The original clone gets sacrificed as a state-based action but Miirym still creates a NONLEGENDARY copy of the clone because the clone enters the battlefield as a legendary dragon. Thus, Miirym makes a nonlegendary copy of it. So the original gets sacrificed. However, every other clone you play needs to enter as a copy of the nonlegendary clone. That way it doesn't get sacrificed as a state-based action because it's not a legendary creature. You don't have future clones enter the battlefield as a copy of the original (legendary) Miirym but of the nonlegendary token copy of Miirym courtesy of the original clone.

Absolutely do the clone only =)

@TheCommanderTavern

5 ай бұрын

www.moxfield.com/decks/Fy2dHAwiLE6VIkkevSfKyA

I know this is a commander channel, but I would love to run this in a 60 card format. Would that be possible? I wouldn't know how to build it (Just Mirrym, Adrix and Nev, and a bunch of clones?) but the idea seems fun to me.

@TheCommanderTavern

Жыл бұрын

It should definitely be possible. But you need to either cheat them into play all at once (Hypergenesis or Living End) or ramp hard into them.

@Chiruresu32324

Жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern With my group I think a good ramp package would work, unfortunately I'm not very good at setting up my mana base / ramp setups, especially for multicolor. Hypergenesis would be fine, everyone would just think I'm being a little huggy. That being said, my group tends to get quite a few turns in before anyone starts popping off so a slow start isn't too bad.

@TheCommanderTavern

Жыл бұрын

@@Chiruresu32324 If that's the case then you could definitely be able to do it.

@Chiruresu32324

Жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern Maybe even use Biovisionary in case combat isn't doable, like someone stacking Propaganda. Working on a decklist now

@TheCommanderTavern

Жыл бұрын

@@Chiruresu32324 Sounds like a plan! I used to win with Biovisionary in a GWU deck back in INN/RTR Standard a decade ago. Fun times.

So my friend brought up his text is "whenever another dragon enters" does that not include himself?

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

That is a self-referencing line of text. That just means that when Miirym itself enters the battlefield, it doesn't copy itself. Same thing happens with the clone. When the clone enters the battlefield as a copy of Miirym, it doesn't make a copy of itself. However, the SEPARATE Miirym already on the battlefield (the original one) will clone that new Miirym (the clone) because it's a DIFFERENT dragon entering the battlefield. So the new Miirym triggers the old Miirym, not itself. This is why it works.

@hitmanmaloe

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern thats what I was thinking as well. But so far your the only other person that has thought up copying miirym. Once I saw him get spoiled I instantly wanted to do it as well. I wanted to pull the new red and blue ancient dragons so badly. But no luck got the green and black. Still can't wait to play the deck

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@hitmanmaloe Oof! That sucks! That's the problem with purposefully powered down sets like Baldur's Gate. The set as a whole is amazing but the handful of cards that are powerful then become ridiculously expensive. Just look at Old Gnawbone from AFR...

@hitmanmaloe

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern yep id love to have him as well. Same with doubling season and parallel lives....but damn that price tag. I do have adrix and nev along with the duskwood artific to hopefully get a bunch if copies of them as well.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@hitmanmaloe Those are some sweet cards.

Why do you only have 2 forests in the deck list?

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't need more than 2 of each basic land.

Plz do a ful clone version plz

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

You won't have to wait too long. Just keep an eye out for a new post today :P

@marcarthur100

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern amazing news

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcarthur100 It's now posted. Enjoy!

Sooooo is anyone thinking of running Orvar in this? I sure am!!!!

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Hooo! Spicy! Hot damn!

@alexanderibarra6386

2 жыл бұрын

I also like Rapacious Dragon with Deadeye Navigator, pretty sure that nets you infinite treasure.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderibarra6386 Yup! It sure does. Good thing all the pieces are in the deck ;)

I will add mirror box in the deck tho It is a perfect fit

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, Mirror Box is actually ultimately useless here. The tokens Miirym creates are nonlegendary, so there's no need to worry about the legend rule. Speaking of tokens, Mirror Box doesn't count tokens with its final ability. So all it would do in the deck is give +1/+1 to a mere handful of cards.

@mHysteresis

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern well mirror box allow all your clone that do not modify the legendary close to stay if needed and the +1/+1 boost all the one that are not token so the real and the clones. The token are counting for thr +1/+1 just not giving it to them

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@mHysteresis Not really. Once you clone Miirym the first time, you have your clones enter as a copy of the NONLEGENDARY Miirym token in order to get TWO more Miirym copies instead of one because the original will die as a state-based action. So you have your subsequent clones copy the nonlegendary token copies. That way you only ever lose one clone once. You don't ever copy the original Miirym again if you have its nonlegendary tokens on the board. Those are the ones you copy with clones afterwards. The deck doesn't have enough legendary creatures to warrant including Mirror Box; it doesn't count tokens. And the legend rule only affects the first ever clone, not any of the subsequent ones. It's a wasted slot here.

"Most people build it dragon tribal" ...i've Not seen a Single person building it without clones :D great video nonetheless

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it! Curiously I've only seen/heard people going full dragon tribal with it XD

@sexybreadcrumb6436

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern okay might be a Twitter bubble Thing

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@sexybreadcrumb6436 Possibly.

@brandonreder9869

2 жыл бұрын

I'm planning on building mine dragon tribal with clone/copy and flicker spells, I have Sakashima of a thousand faces, Spark Double, Helm of the host, Riku of Two Reflections, Reflection of Littjara, Rite of Replication, in my decklist for my clone/copy spells. My flicker spells are Conjurer's closet, Thassa deep Dwelling, and Deadeye Navigator, Displace, and Illusionist Stratagem as my flicker spells.

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonreder9869 Nice! Those seem like solid includes!

Since you're making so many tokens of Miirym, you need Full Flowering. With Klauth (well, two of him) I made 48 copies of Miirym in a single turn. What do you think about Moritte? She can clone any of your nonland permanents,Like the Clever Impersonator, but if she clones a creature it enters with two +1/+1 counters. You know what's better than Miirym? An 8/8 Miirym! Or maybe you already hit Miirym with a spark double so you have 1 6/6, 2 7/7, and 4 9/9 Miiryms. One game I copied my panharmonicon, in the next game I copied my Mana Crypt and died to the coin flip lol i've got like an 80% Crypt failure rate

@TheCommanderTavern

Жыл бұрын

Full Flowering is definitely a busted card but I feel like its winmore. If you already have a ton of Miirym, you should be winning the game by then. Moritte is definitely a good enough clone but I didn't include it because it would only be copying other creatures besides Miirym. Because it can't even copy a Miirym clone because it will always be legendary. But it could definitely fit in decks as another clone since it'll make a second copy of whatever nonlegendary creature you choose thanks to Miirym. Damn, RNGsus really abandoning you to that Mana Crypt 😆

@Fausto_4841

Жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern Miirym says the token it makes isn't legendary but Moritte says the copy is legendary, i wasn't sure which order things happened, but i suppose you're right.

@Fausto_4841

Жыл бұрын

You're not going to believe this but I ran into almost this exact play line tonight, except it was even more busted. Miirym, spark double, OG Clone, Ghostly flicker Miirym and spark double get 8 copies. Then Moiritte who died but left me with 14 token copies, 28 total, minion of the mighty cheating Niv mizzet into play making 28 copies of him. Lol, still didn't win against mono white avacyn who's player couldn't take any damage from creatures.

@TheCommanderTavern

Жыл бұрын

@@Fausto_4841 The thing is, Moritte says itself on the card that it's going to be legendary in its rules text. So even though Miirym might create a copy that isn't legendary, Moritte's rule text adds the legendary supertype to itself after the fact (and thus its token copies, too).

@TheCommanderTavern

Жыл бұрын

@@Fausto_4841 Oof!!! What an amazing boardstate! Sucks that you didn't pull the win but that was super impressive! I bet it was hella fun though :P

Personally I prefer panharmonicon in my Miirym deck

@charlied8284

2 жыл бұрын

With astral dragon and cursed mirror

@charlied8284

2 жыл бұрын

Parallel Lives and flameshadow conjuring and molten echoes

@charlied8284

2 жыл бұрын

Zirilian of the Claw is great too

@TheCommanderTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Panharmonicon is pretty effing tasty in Miirym, for damned sure. Astral Dragon and Flameshadow Conjuring is some next level spice as well. Epic!

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