Meet the New M230LF: America's 30mm Chain Gun
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The M230LF, offered by Orbital ATK, is a more capable version of the Apache autocannon. Features include an anti-hangfire system, a delinking feeder that exploits linked ammunition, and an extended-length barrel, which results in greater muzzle velocity and hitting power from the same M789 HEDP and NATO standard 30 mm ADEN/DEFA projectiles.
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A 30mm proximity projectile should be a huge gamechanger in the new, drone-based war scenario.
@perelfberg7415
8 ай бұрын
Yea I mean thats what would make it effective. This system should be drone capable and with out any proximity functionality is pointless.
@AC-gu9ks
8 ай бұрын
I believe rheinmetal has already produced a dual turret version.
@earthcitizen7245
8 ай бұрын
you know they have lasers for drones which are cost effective and deadly accurate
@AC-gu9ks
8 ай бұрын
@@earthcitizen7245 They take too long to take down a drone and needs to be constantly on target to transfer heat.
@earthcitizen7245
8 ай бұрын
they're very accurate and quick@@AC-gu9ks
Wow, I was a civil service worker for the Army many moons ago and maintained and installed various weapon systems on track vehicles, technology has come a long way since then. I'd love to be in one of the vehicles that have this beast.
@darktoadone5068
4 ай бұрын
@@BasedPatriot-USA I'm way to old for that.
Whoever that team was who designed and manufactured that piece of weaponry has my sincere congratulations. Excellent job.
@Forevertrue
8 ай бұрын
Except all that exposed wiring is Junk. That has to be fixed. One errant shot and 3 systems can be ruined.
@AJ-jy6lb
8 ай бұрын
With a name like Bushmaster, it's got to be good! :o) Bushmaster chain guns,....i'll take mine in gun metal black.
@aghaidholc7718
7 ай бұрын
@@Forevertrue blah blah blah 👎
@pnzrldr
7 ай бұрын
They are all dead or retired by now. Ancient cannon tech.
@infinitesimotel
7 ай бұрын
What is all this for exactly? 20 foot Trolls coming over the mountains?
@4:35 I was not expecting R. Lee! RIP Gunny! Awesome vidya!
That's a pretty big upgrade replacing .50 cals with a 30mm on light vehicles. Like going from a .223 to a .50 cal!
@boxlid214
8 ай бұрын
I have to admit it cracked me up showing those two guys rocking around in that truck while the thing was firing 😂👌
@ChiefAlday
8 ай бұрын
@@boxlid214RIP R Lee Ermey
@boxlid214
8 ай бұрын
@@ChiefAlday damn dude, I knew he looked familiar, I didn't notice it was him though. That's cool as hell he got to experience this bad boy before his time was up
@kettujabamiesukkeliukko
7 ай бұрын
@@ChiefAlday I immediatly knew it was him, how old is this video?
@herptek
3 ай бұрын
@@boxlid214The same thing caught my attention as well. I always assumed 20mm at maximum to be a suitable bore diameter for omni-platform anti-drone system like this.
Chaingun! I went through Armament Repair school in1975. Back then, the M242 25mm was what we worked on. The gun itself is not complicated to repair, but the gearbox was nightmare fuel. The gearbox drives the chain that runs the gun. When we got to that part of learning to repair, our instructors threw their hands in the air and said "send it to Depot (Maintenance) and let them figure it out!" It looked like clockwork in that box.
@DodPaDinSkulder
7 ай бұрын
Had something like this happen a while back. We came to a part in the training, and the instructor said something along the lines of, this is X System. It's full of MS, if there's a problem with X just send it back. I asked what MS was. He replied "Magic Shit".😂
@vincedibona4687
7 ай бұрын
Sounds German.
@Craig-fl8jj
7 ай бұрын
It's ok. Most military mechanics, electricians, etc can't really work in the private sector because we fix shit and aren't parts changers.
@trumanhw
29 күн бұрын
I'm guessing your ears perked up too, when he said that the 113mm cartridge of this 30mm M230 is "more powerful" than the M242 Bushmaster, yeah..? Bc we're talking about the 25mm x 137mm vs 30mm x 113mm. As far as kinetic energy, the 25mm is far more powerful. And if I'm not mistaken it has airburst rounds (HE and HEDP) just as the 30mm x 113 does. Of course, the HE round in the 30mm is going to be larger and thus have more semtex in it. But it's just more nuanced than simply saying "more powerful." Anyway, cool info re: the gearbox.
I was a gunner on a 30mm cannon , it was deadly accurate, ....a long range snipers weapon , ...( single shot ) at any range it was amazing, but on automatic it was terrible , ( we only ever used it as a long range , single shot weapon) on auto , it would vibrate that much that the second shot would be nowhere near the aiming point , ...but as a single shot weapon , it was terrifying, ....if you were in its sights , you would not be reading this
@user-nv1gm2zj7y
7 ай бұрын
thats why i didnt get why the apache would do auto fire.
@grouchosays
7 ай бұрын
These things are poorly designed.
@masonagent4009
7 ай бұрын
@@grouchosayspoorly designed? it’s supposed to be an area weapon lol😂 it’s designed to do EXACTLY that. Precision with slower fire rate, maximum destruction when you mag dump.
@grouchosays
7 ай бұрын
@@masonagent4009 M60 far better.
@silntstl
5 ай бұрын
@@grouchosays What?
They're putting these on JLTV and M-ATVs??? This is legitimately the most underrated upgrades to US light armor. Imagine while China and Russian and even other US allies only have some 50 call equivalent weapons mounted on their trucks, US rolls in with every M-ATVs basically carrying the turret of a better Bradley that also fires VT fuze shells at drones.
@MFitz12
8 ай бұрын
For the counter-drone mission only at this point. It is not replacing M2's or Mk 19's.
@maxwellmortimermontoure7274
8 ай бұрын
Lotta points in this skill tree. 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅
@rtbdmd
8 ай бұрын
The system that includes rails for the stinger and hellfire missiles is particularly interesting. If that can be run on the JLTV and M-ATV it will massively increase the combat effectiveness of what will become the most ubiquitous armored vehicles in the US inventory. Imagine scores of these things roaming the battlespace, with the firepower to counter fixed and rotary wing aircraft, drones of all shapes and sizes, heavy and light armored vehicles and unarmored vehicles not to mention dismounts. All while avoiding the cost, logistical tail and other issues associated with heavy armored vehicles. All it needs is antiship capability and literally everything is covered. ;-) In reality the hellfire could probably do some serious damage to warships, too.
@piotrd.4850
2 ай бұрын
@@rtbdmd I'd rather see APKWS here.
Such a versatile and vicious weapon!
@infinitesimotel
7 ай бұрын
For what though?
@stuartfury3390
7 ай бұрын
@@infinitesimotel Watch any guncame footage from apache's and your questions will be answered.
@leagueofotters2774
6 ай бұрын
@@infinitesimotel I could see a use in rush hour traffic.
@infinitesimotel
6 ай бұрын
@@leagueofotters2774 Yep Ill give you that lol.
@Idkanything829
2 ай бұрын
@@infinitesimotel panzie
The guys in the truck laughing were having just too much fun. I am jealous.
Excellent Video. Thanks Sam and the awesome crew of U.S. Military News. 🇺🇸
Great video, lots of information and explosions !
Would have loved to have these in Afghanistan, this thing shreds I felt prerry badass behind an m2 or mk19, I cant imagine what it would be like to have this much firepower!
@Truthbomb918
7 ай бұрын
Would have still lost the war though
@cascadianrangers728
7 ай бұрын
@@Truthbomb918 Probally would have lost sooner, in counter insurgency firepower is generally unhelpfull at making the natives hate you less
@stevilknevil107
2 ай бұрын
@tjmurphy2567 What a low-IQ way to look at that war lol. The U.S. dominated the Taliban immediately after arriving in Afghanistan, making them hide in caves and resort to IEDs and potshots. We stayed for 20 years… could’ve stayed til the end of time had we wanted to. But just because we eventually got tired of trying to civilize that hellhole and left, and the Afghan army we tried to train couldn’t fight for their own country, doesn’t mean we “lost”. If anything, it’s another example of soft politicians setting unrealistic humanitarian goals in wars, as friggin usual
@LukeR1M
2 ай бұрын
@@stevilknevil107 Dude, keep it real. Your troops were running in fear from men in sandals leaving them military equipment worth millions of dollars.
The footage of R. Lee Ermey was very cool! Rest In Peace Mr. Ermey. 🙏🙏
@ljprep6250
5 ай бұрын
Man, you KNOW that round is going to hit hard when it shakes the truck and contents that hard on sending it. HoooEeee! Dat some spice. (also RIP Cajun Chef Justin Wilson)
Very informative and well put together!! Thank you for your hard work!
RIP R. Lee Ermey, Miss that ol boy. He sure was loving that demo.
Seriously drooling here. I get so jealous at the tech our men and women get to unleash. We had fun stuff in the 90s, when I served, but it's nothing compared to today
A military oscar-gold medaille for this incredible weapon-system : cheap, effective gegen DRONES ! 👍👍👍
3:35 Damn, check out that cartridge comparison. It's like moving from hotdogs to cucumbers!
@LandonWalsh
8 ай бұрын
That’s what she said
Such a great channel.
It was good to get a fleeting glimpse of R. Lee again.
Uhm. "We have Apache at home" isn't new, it was in the original publish of Twilight 2000 and is simply a throwback because a Bushmaster will roll most of our wheeled vehicles no matter how you mount it.
Cant wait to see a Bradley with a 30mm and Helfires, it's going to be nuts
At first I was like "I want one of those!" then I started thinking about the cost of ammo and basically I would never afford to shoot it, so then I was like "FORGET IT".
@myblacklab7
7 ай бұрын
You can probably get cheap ammo for it in Afghanistan, unfortunately.
That's the Bradley upgrade right there. Loved the 25mm, bump to tank punching. Swap tows for hellfires.
At 4:30, watching them dance in the truck is hilarious, impressive recoil
👍 “EXCELLENT” Coverage !
This on the Ares carrier with a Javelin launcher would be a massive upgrade in firepower for the British Army. The millions spent on the failed Warrior programme could havae been spent on adding this gun and Javelin luncher to the existing Warriors, might need a power update but much better than trying to add a 40mm canon turret.
What a beautiful weapon.
This is basically the old 30mm cartridge used by the ADEN and DEFA cannons. it is not the same 30 mm as used by the Warthog.
@ayylmao182
8 ай бұрын
That’s a gau, they’re completely different
@bradleyanderson4315
8 ай бұрын
@@ayylmao182 I was referring to the cartridge used in the A10 the 30x173 not the rotary cannon. That cartridge is used in several ground vehicles like the new model of the Stryker but no active aircraft(formerly used in the Viggen) The 30 mm used here is a medium velocity used in the aircraft cannons(English and French)that I cited.
@jj4791
5 ай бұрын
Bushmaster makes a heavier duty chaingun with 40mm OR the 30mm of the GAU-8.
Nothing like having a Apache helicopter over you firing at the enemy and you feel all of the empty shell casings coming out, what I like about the chain gun is it doesn't Jam so easily because it expels rounds that do not discharge
@adriandumitrascu4292
7 ай бұрын
injured in battle, cause: empty 30mm shell fell on soldier arm.
@infinitesimotel
7 ай бұрын
What enemy?
@yankees29
6 ай бұрын
@@adriandumitrascu4292first time I saw one i was surprised how big it was.
@dennismcclintock3154
5 ай бұрын
I agree but don't know what that's like but all time favorite is the A10 worthog ppssssstttttttt
I worked for Hughes Helicopters when our ordinance division developed the chain gun.
I imagine you would just cease to exist if you took a round from one of these.
@DOI_ARTS
8 ай бұрын
Saw Afghan Taliban being turned to paste when hit by one single round
@Pakhira148
8 ай бұрын
But they don't require direct hits right? Fragments do the work
@jordank2028
8 ай бұрын
@@Pakhira148nope the sheer force and explosion of the round penetrating a tanks armor would just vaporize anyone inside.
Glad to see they built the Uke version, won't get a better place to test the various platforms, and they shud be testing a lot more over there.
Great video
As Sam Cooke might have said “That’s the sound of the men workin’ on the chain gun!”
I especially like that Apache gun on a humvee. DARPA guys are genius.
This was surprisingly informative. Thumbs up! The Ukraine war proves that slow flying, low flying and subsonic drones are now a major component on the battlefield. It's good to see that a chain gun, with proximity sensors on each round, may offer a low cost solution. It's all the more impressive that it can be mounted on a generic pickup truck. (although the repeated kick from the gun will likely cause frame fatigue).
@atomic_wait
7 ай бұрын
I imagine the wear on the truck could be mitigated with some kind of rig to spread out the recoil impulse with springs or pneumatics or whatever.
@gregparrott
7 ай бұрын
@@atomic_waitTrue. They could mitigate the gun's kick. But as it stands, the driver and passenger were laughing as though they were playing in bumper cars 4:36
@atomic_wait
7 ай бұрын
@@gregparrott Is that R Lee Earmey in one of the seats?
@gregparrott
7 ай бұрын
@@atomic_wait I had to look up the name and photo. The passenger bears a good resemblance. However, he died on 4/15/2018.
@darktree5548
7 ай бұрын
@@gregparrottthat was definitely him, video released in 2017. RIP gunney
Bushmaster makes these chain guns in 30mm, 40mm, and 50mm low velocity. Twin 40mm with air-burst rounds and gun laying radar would be absolute perfection against drone swarms.
3:20 I like how we're showing off a 30mm cannon and then suddenly one round generates an explosion like a 2000lb bomb
Put it on a mobile armored off road vehicle with good speed and gimbal controls for the driver, a decent aerotyne industries radar and you got yourself heavy metal
Attatched to the new AMPV. Thats impressive
Thats funny, at 0:15 seconds you can see that the crew left a panel open prior to take off. In the crews defense, when firing the gun that door just pops open some times. If I remember right that is where the air hook up is.
R. Lee. Ermey, I loved Mail Call.
It’s amazing that in 2024 we are still using this tech and not rail guns and laser guns
Can I get one for my pick up? This would be perfect for those heavy traffic situations.
The Bradley needs to upgrade its 25mm, this ain't the 1980s anymore!
@scottsauritch3216
8 ай бұрын
Well the Army was looking into this, then they realized the M2 is ~40 years old and similarly to their conclusion on the Abrams recently, the base vehicle design has reached it's limit of potential and completely new system need to be designed from scratch... Hence the XM30 (unlike the failed FGCV system and /or NGCV) is going ahead essentially no matter what. Even if it's not exactly what the Army had in their FANTASY-WORLD which has proven to be utterly un-realistic for the time or the foreseeable future. However the XM30 will feature an 50mm Auto-Cannon... And likely have an M230LF atop it's roof for C/UAS integrated with the censors of whatever APS the XM30 WILL UNDOUBTABLY HAVE.(As we can see from Ukraine, ALL future fighting vehicles should have both an APS for ATGMs/KEPs as well as C/UAS systems like M230LF! Otherwise, might as well not even bother..!) The XM30 program unlike it's failed/canceled predecessor programs is ahead of schedule and will be either the GDLS Griffin3/ASCOD-based, or American Rheinmetall Lynx-based submissions which are currently having ~12 Prototypes produced each for the final phase of the competition. Army will receive and test the prototypes in 2025-26, and expect to choose and begin production of the winner around 2027-28. Fielding of the first units expected to happen by 2030...
@DOI_ARTS
8 ай бұрын
The Bradleys are already being replaced. No need to upgrade
nice to see Gunny
That's off the chain!
Aww seeing gunny R.L Ermy breaks my heart. RIP gunny
looks like a nice addition to the Boston Dynamics robot Dog.
American Technicals, finally! Now make one that can mount a Stinger pod or a Hellfire pod.
@Lucifer-qt9gh
8 ай бұрын
Bro the marines built a tomahawk launcher on a Humvee, or their new oshkosh one
Wow I've never seen an Apache sitting on a Carrier Deck B4!
John with other dads at a play date for the kids: "So, what do you do for a living?" "I'm the Director of Business Development for Bushmaster Chain Guns." "Oh... Um... Sounds like an interesting job..."
That's the sound of freedom.
This gun's projectile is "subsonic" smaller that it's 30mm counterpart used in the A10 plane, the size of the projectile is smaller, yet this gun is capable to destroy a tank due to the use of deleted uranium, in Iraq Bradley vehicles had a big disadvantages with the 20mm gun, but this gun is a great upgrade
@iunnox666
5 ай бұрын
DU is terrible. Causes cancer and birth defects.
@Redx130000
5 ай бұрын
It’s not subsonic, it uses 30x113mm going 805m/s.
Man... I want a Modern Military RTS :(
So it’s odd how the weapons only achieved an accurate shot when the target was stationary…. But hey perhaps attacking drones stop and slowly group together before attacking.
used to make those rounds...sniff. All mine are down range by now, Upside all mine are down range by now and plenty more where they came from :)
I need some 30mm proximity projectiles really bad, I love them, the man who made them should be made God of war.
30 mm rounds are just... gnarly. Makes 50 cal look like a pellet gun.
That is one wicked weapon 👍👍💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
4:36 R. Lee Ermy, RIP
I see that's the ultimate accessory for the Ford Super Duty Tremor, wonder where I can get one for my Tremor?
These guys have it good these days. In my day we had to crawl under the nose and attach an uploader\downloader directly to the gun. And I have to say, it was a LOT more fun our way on a FARP.
The M230 is a 40 years old weapon.
@Truthbomb918
7 ай бұрын
M2 has been around for about a 100 years
that joyful manic laughter @4:34 hahaha
That's why we love and respect America forever
@YouTubeAreCommunistScum
7 ай бұрын
Cant respect when biden obama is president in thief
Proximity detonating rounds are going to be very important in this new era of drone warfare. Loitering munitions too, probably.
Sounds awesome, I’ll take one!
Power full gun very nice
When will that be available as an option on all Super Duty Fords? Originnally want a GAU8 but they take up all the cargo space and then some.
0:56 amazing accuracy
OORAH!! That was Gunny R. Lee Ermey at about 4:37.
Nice! Where can I get one?
Gonna come in REAL handy for either A. Zombie apocalypse or B. Civil war 2
American civilians: "I need one of these for home defence, theres been a spate of package thefts lately"
Grandfather had a 57mm auto fired Cannon with a 6lb shell in his WW2 RCAF Mosquito ( Credited for fulling removing a enemy engine with 1 shot ) That was more than 80 years ago ...just think these 30mm chain guns can remove a whole plane with a wink of the eye
The more 30mm cannons I have around, the more I like it
I gotta get one that fits on an F250 Ford. I be gettin some respect around town, huh?
@R0NIN_1987
8 ай бұрын
Yeah maybe if you quit driving a Ford
@johnallen6945
8 ай бұрын
@@R0NIN_1987 Hah! Good answer. That F250 is a mean truck. They used to run them at the tractor pulls and they were pretty powerful with good torque.
@R0NIN_1987
8 ай бұрын
@@johnallen6945I actually drive an F250 😂 I was just messin around with you.
Anti-hang fire sounds interesting
They should run a M2 .50 cal in parallel with the M230F. Especially on HMMVV's and MRAP's to provide closer range capabilities. Unless the Platoon/ Team/Squad only run 1 or 2 of these with smaller elements.
Wow no links to connect just solo rounds loaded! Wish the 25mm bushmaster was that easy to load.
"Sir, how many chain guns would you like?" "Yes" :o)
It's got a gun attached to a gun that's attached to another gun, that's sitting on top of a gun!!!
What about the airburst round. I find that to be the big value.
@R.U.1.2.
8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Sarge.
@infinitesimotel
7 ай бұрын
Value for what purpose? Other than to flex impotently on YT videos
@ljprep6250
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, the proximity burst taking out drones, too? That's a big un.
@ljprep6250
5 ай бұрын
@@infinitesimotel If Russia had the tech, they'd win that war. No impotence there.
@infinitesimotel
5 ай бұрын
@@ljprep6250 Start a war with who?
Looks like that gun the Millennium Falcon used on Hoth.
I would love 2 thanks.
This weapon is awesome
The "new" Hughes - McDonnell-Douglas M230 chain gun that's been used since 1975. Got it.
can this be use against ATGM? would be nice if it is to help defend our tank crew.
autocannons are so cool.
30mm Chain Gun...holy smokes!!
So when are they coming out with that 50mm XM-109 Chain Gun ? Ive seen videos about its just about to be comming any minute for easily a decade. 😮
@MFitz12
8 ай бұрын
Nothing to put it on yet.
@agga7517
8 ай бұрын
It's literally an upscaled version of M242, which means all the stupid problems will be 2x harder to fix. And like @mfitz1969 said, nothing to put it on yet, not enough guns made. Can't make up their stupid minds, etc, just like the whole M4 replacement, yet we still have PVS7s in inventory..
What about 8x Bushmasters that rotate around a central point like the GAU-8
"...using an aircraft-mounted motorized loader" my brother in christ that is a forklift
is that a m230 or are ya just happy to see me
Very NICE weapon .......👍👍👍👍👍🇫🇮
Wow nice weapon😊
Was there a clip from the full metal jacket ????