Watching both, stay safe and as always thanks for the information

Aputure is doing a live of their 60's right now. Since your video is released at the same time, I will watch yours and watch aputure's live later. Your reviews are always great

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

Ha! The live is pretty good right now. You get a preview of the spotlight mini-zoom.

@vincentzavier8109

3 жыл бұрын

@@meetthegaffer Just few secs ago finished watching your video. Paused the stream. I will catch up the live of aputure by watching it in 1.5x fast

@vincentzavier8109

3 жыл бұрын

@@meetthegaffer Multitasking...LOL

@vincentzavier8109

3 жыл бұрын

@@meetthegaffer I didn't know they have a fresnel for it as well. Awsome. Dedo got a strong competetor. I saw that you are in live. We will catch up after the live

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

Not really a fresnel, but spot and flood. More like a Dedo.

This was incredibly helpful and much appreciated! Thank you both for the demo!

@meetthegaffer

2 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome!

I learn more on lighting from you than most any other KZreadr/Gaffer. You’re a great gaffer that communicates to us all. And you’re a KZreadr with substance. No clickbait fluff.

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your kind words; I just hope to live up to them some day😬

I love all the gadgets. The Dedos are great units but for the price of one Dedo you can purchase several Aputure units. IMO with the way technology is going and the speed at which things change, these Aputure units are a good find. Always enjoy your videos. Thanks

Interesting light! I’m gonna do some research to see how it compares to the Forza 60B. Seems quite a powerful light engine for its wattage, and a good companion for my two Forza 60 daylight. Great video as always, Luke! Take care with the covid out there.

Luke, you're a LEGEND. And this video like all of them is hugely informative, useful, and charming. But maybe... maybe it's time to "Meet the Sound Guy".

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

You would laugh if you saw my FCPX timeline! I tried a different mixing scheme and didn’t hear the high pitched whine till I was editing. Luckily there was a camera mic open, but it hurts😕

@zoanyway

3 жыл бұрын

You're a good man,@@meetthegaffer

Thanks Luke, great review, I've had a 60x on back order for a while now, was hoping to use them instead of the Dedos as the app control is so handy. also the battery strain on the head is going to make it a quick light to set up.I'm using my 300x all the time now so will add a few 60x lights to the kit.

Soooooo great ! like you all the time 🙋

Thanks for what you do - I’m a DP owner operator strengthening my grip knowledge, your content has been crucial. What’s your opinion on investing in bounces/grid diffusion larger than what you might use it for? For example, I use mainly a westcott scrimjim as my fabric supports, sometimes full frame sometimes t bone. A lot of times just a 6x fabric. I feel an 8x fabric would be more versatile for different setups but obviously too big for the 6x - would there be a downside to just rolling up or clamping the extra fabric when not used or is it wiser to get the proper size?

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Matt, Good question! From time to time we end up with larger goods than the frames we have available, and this can come in handy when you need to have multiple green screens butted up next to each other because you can wrap the green around the frames so no ties or frames are visible. But normally I try to stick with the right size or longer so that you can stretch the fabrics and/or keep from clipping anything but the webbing that borders the fabric. Having solids that are larger can work and stretching a larger diffusion over a window can work, but it’s nice to have at least one length of pipe/square tube/painter’s pole that is the actual length:) Hope that helps.

@kidagocreative

3 жыл бұрын

@@meetthegaffer thanks so much for the reply ;)

Great comparison video to go through the pros and cons. What's that clamp you have on top of the door in your BTS set footage? Convenient little guy.

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a mag clamp! Both Norms and American grip list it in their catalogs. Norms places the pin between the jaws for a center mount and American offsets the pin.

@w500nm

2 жыл бұрын

@@meetthegaffer you should pin this comment to the top, was wondering the same thing. Looks like it gets asked a lot.

@meetthegaffer

2 жыл бұрын

@@w500nm I don’t even know how to do that, but will look it up!

I noticed you're using a BGH1, it would be cool if you made a video about it. Haven't seen any good reviews about this camera which seems so very interesting.

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

Good thought. There’s definitely been a learning curve. It’s weird to have a camera without at least a menu monitor. The problem with me reviewing a camera, like sound and monitoring gear, is that I don’t really use the gear very rigorously or know it in a lot of depth, so not sure my take on it would carry much weight, you know?

Hey Luke. Great video big fan of those dedo LEDs great to see Aputure doing something in that space will be interesting to see modifiers aputure bring out for them. Do the aputure lights have a flood/spot function? Also you mentioned the ballast is built in on the Aputure lights but am I correcting in thinking when they're run via the mains they have a power brick attached?

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, for mains you add a small and light AC adapter, so I should have said that control is in the head:) Yes, it has a spot/flood function just like the Dedos. The video from the Aputure stream today fills in all the gaping holes in my video, along with comparison to 650 and 300 watt tungsten fresnels.

@AlMurdo

3 жыл бұрын

@@meetthegaffer thanks for the reply. I'll defo check out the stream. I really enjoy the perspective you bring to your videos there's a lot of channels covering tech specs and I really like the way you cover products from a practical view point!

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

It’s not as pretty, but I’m glad you find it helpful.

Hi Luke, thank you so much for your informative content! Learnt a lot over the years from this channel! I have quick question. I know this does not relate to the content of this video here but I can't find any source of information online that can give me an answer and so I hope you could help out. The question relates to the following scenario: - I recently purchased a Sekonic 858D light meter. It was supposed to be an upgrade to my trusty old Spectra Cine IV meter. I much enjoy the spotmeter and other advanced functions on it, though I must admit that the software is quite poorly designed, especially with all that screen real estate and what they could have implemented but didn't. However, one thing really makes me question my purchase. The sensitivity of LUX/FOOTCANDLE readings appears much worse than my old Sekonic. Though from specs online it would appear that both lightmeters are equally sensitive to light, the Lux/Footcandle readings I take with the Spectra Cine are much more precise. The spectra does not round off the numbers as the Sekonic does. It has much more decimal information. The Sekonic sometimes jumps 50 footcandles or more, whereas the Spectra will go down to 1 footcandle. MY QUESTION: Is this normal and does this mean I can't rely on the Sekonic for accurate Lux/Footcandle readings? This makes me question wether this light meter is more geared towards photographers than cinematographers/gaffers. I know you work with light meters a lot and so would appreciate a quick response, thought of yours on this. Whenever you have a moment of course :) Thank you!

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

If I was smarter I would have a better answer. I know it defeats the purpose of the all in one incident/spot, but does it work to keep using your Spectra for incident and Sekonic for spot? Kinda old school, but maybe that fits your comfort level and that’s good?

@Whaever_1981

3 жыл бұрын

​@@meetthegaffer Thanks for answering :) Ideally, my intent was to just have the spectra as a backup. The less I need to carry on a shoot, the better. Very frustrating especially because I think the tech in the 858 is there to make the LUX/Footcandle readings more accurate but they chose not to implement it for some weird reason

Thx for the comparison, Luke. The front of the 60d/x looks nearly identical to the front of the Dedo. I was wondering, do you know if the Dedo projection lens modifiers fit onto the front of the Aperture units, and if so, how does the quality of the beam compare to an actual Dedo light? Are the lines just as sharp? Is the light similar in its overall evenness across the entire spot? Thx!

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

The opening of the 60’s is larger than the Dedo so the Dedo projection lenses don’t fit... I was interested in this too!

@fernandogmar

3 жыл бұрын

I heard something about godox s30 lights, that all the complements were interchangable dedo-godox... And godox got the new S60... Maybe that could be a nicer choice... Just guessing I am really curious about that

Hey - what is the accessory you used to rig the 60x on top of the door frame called? great comparison video btw!

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

I have always heard it referred to as a mag clamp. I thing Norms Grip May still sell them: Magazine Clamp w/ 5/8″ Pin [MEH35] $82.50

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

American Grip has one too, but it’s offset.

@thiendam7382

3 жыл бұрын

thank you!

These look like amazing value and impressive light output given the low watts. I would be very curious to know how efficient the zoom spotlight attachment is. Generally it won't be as efficient as a prime lens optical spot so I wonder if it loses a lot of output?

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

Well, like a lot intensifiers it may actually increase the output. We’ll have to see when it comes out!

@brandonvle

3 жыл бұрын

Chris is right, it will actually have lower lux output because it's making the light more even for the projection

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

👍🏻

@harrykemp

3 жыл бұрын

Have you found any more info about this, Chris? I'm tossing up between the 60d + spotlight mini and the Godox s30 with their projector mount (essentially the same as a dedo projection lens mount - reviewed by Gaffer & Gear) and am wondering which is going to be a better fit.

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

It may be a while before we get the answer to that. Andrew Lock will probably be in a good position to compare them when he gets his hands on them.

Thank you for the great comparison! Could you share information on which color meter you use, please?

@meetthegaffer

2 жыл бұрын

Sekonic 800

@mikecochrane7800

2 жыл бұрын

@@meetthegaffer Thank you, Sir.

What's that clamp you used for mounting the 60d on the door?

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

Check out Norms Grip: Magazine Clamp w/ 5/8″ Pin [MEH35] $82.50 American Grip has one too, but it is offset.

Nice set of kitchen knifes

@meetthegaffer

Жыл бұрын

Ha, ha!

What is that clamp on the door @10:45? Would you be open to making a video on how to make one, or have the person who made (if it isn't you) feature in a video on that?

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

It is called a mag clamp, if I recall correctly. We used to use them to grab film camera magazines, to secure them on car rigs. That’s how old I am. I’ve seen similar clamps in labs, so I think it’s just a lab instrument with a pin attached. I use it every 10 years or so😉

This is great! Was hoping for a comparison like this. I’d be curious to see the dedolight with the parallel beam intensifier attached, compared to the maximum output of the 60x/60d. There’s more output on the aputure, but they don’t have the ability to add the intensifier which seems like an incredible addition to the dedolight system. Thanks!

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

For sure... if you already have the parallel beam adapters and are using that with reflectors than that will be more efficient that the 60’s. That said, the 60’s can certainly be used with reflectors as well; in fact, any light can be used with reflectors😉

@richieduque

3 жыл бұрын

@@meetthegaffer Thanks! I wish I already had the parallel beam adapters to use with the reflectors haha. Been dying to own that system, but the 60's maybe a more affordable way to dip my toes into the light stream system.

@richieduque

3 жыл бұрын

@@meetthegaffer One more question actually if you don't mind! From what I understand, the parallel beam is very important in the use of the reflector systems (light steam of light bridge etc) because it helps mimic the natural light of the sun etc. I'm still relatively new to lighting, so forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but if I were to just use the aputure without the parallel beam, would it affect the quality or the advantages of not having to worry about the inverse square law with the reflectors etc? I also see 1.2K HMI's used with the reflectors a lot, but seems like the new 600D Aputure would be good to use with the reflectors as well? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding the parallel beam aspect of it, but it seems Dedo and Christian Berger speak about the importance of it and not just using any light to reflect? thanks!

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

Good questions! To be honest, I’m a noob when it comes to both of these reflector systems too. I think it’s important to see these systems as additive tools rather than tools that will usurp all other methods. I plan to add reflectors to traditional set-ups as a way to acclimate myself. In terms of using parallel light: You create a more advantageous inverse square law situation anytime you use a mirror or reflector, regardless which unit you use, because you are moving the point of the source “virtually” by reflecting it. Any light you aim at the reflector will do this. The parallel beam adapters provide a super focused/paralleled light from the units they are optimized for, but this doesn’t negate other units being used and being equally productive within these systems. On large features you’ll see people using HMI PARs, Molebeams, Fresnels and many people use joleekos. The advantage of joleekos is that you can cut any spill around the reflector if you don’t want light hitting the area around the reflector. I would recommend that you use whatever you have available, find out what works best within your current budget, and not worry so much about what might be the most optimized.😉

@richieduque

3 жыл бұрын

@@meetthegaffer Thanks so much for this detailed answer, this helps me so much! I totally understand I should be viewing it more as an additive tool. I'm more of a Director/DP though who has always used available lighting, simply because of the benefits it affords the actors on set. But once I found out about the reflector system, it's really flipped my world upside down in understanding I can still light a scene within a controlled manner, while keeping stands, lights, flags, cables, to a minimum for my actors. Also, not to mention the benefits of having slightly more general lighting that they can move within that isn't bound by the inverse square law as much. It's all been very exciting to learn about and really appreciate youtube channels like your to help me learn more about gaffing/grip side of things which are typically not my forte. Thanks again! I'll be trying some aputure units as they fit my budget best for now.

For longevity which system would be better, would aputures lights need to be upgraded in the next 3 to 5 years?

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty hard to say, right?! All we know is that the Dedolights have been great. The 60’s are the new kids on the block and still have to prove themselves. I’m glad to have access to both.

So in your opinion does the Dedo have any advantage? That extra spot angle could be useful no? From 15 on the 60x to about 6 on the DLED7. What about the renowned quality of the beam and how clean it is, any discernible difference there? Really struggling with whether I should get a DLED7 vs 60D/X if price is not a big barrier for me.

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda different units if you look at them in a larger picture, so important to think through how they will be used and which other units they will be used with. If you want to be able to incorporate them into an existing DMX landscape, Dedo’s may be your route, but if you are not really getting into DMX and local control or apps like Sidus Link are enough to give you remote control, then maybe lean toward the 60d/x. To go battery with Dedo you’ll need an additional ballast, but with the 60d/x you can go direct to a batt with D-tap. So just depends how the unit(s) will fit into your ecosystem of other lights/control.

@MatthewChenDirector

3 жыл бұрын

@@meetthegaffer thanks so much for continuing this conversation with me. For now I've ordered two of the 60X. As I was able to cancel my Dedo order and I figured if I still want a Dedo the 60x would still be useful for it's extra output. It's also cheap so it's easier to just have a few extra lights, and probably easier to sell in the used market if I change my mind. My main question is this idea of Dedo lights having this world renowned optic. Always being known for this beautiful light. A term they call "clean beam technology" or something like that. I'm just wondering if I'm missing out on any of this magic that's hard to measure. Or is a light a light in this situation where if both lights were spotted at 15 degrees it would have the same "quality". I took this photograph with my friends DLED4 and I'm just wondering if I could get the same with the 60X (perhaps requiring the mini spotlight zoom + 18 leaf iris to spot down more): instagram.com/p/CNbRz-lsD4H/

@cagf2013

3 жыл бұрын

@@MatthewChenDirector hey Matthew, check out Gaffer and Gears video where he compares the aputure light to the Dedolight: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKlkrrCPdbufnZs.html I own a DLED 7 and the quality of the beam is great, but these new aputure lights do seem to compare very well. The example photo you posted is very nice, I have no doubt you could achieve the same result with the aputure since the light is not casting shadows over a long distance. The sharpness of the neck and nose shadow on your model should easily be maintained by the aputure lights. Personally, I still think Dedolight has the best projection optics of them all - which is why I went with them. The really great thing is that they also offer a number of different lenses for their projection attachment. I shoot at home in a very small space so the Dedolight 60mm projection lens is needed to spread the light wide enough within a short 2-3m distance. I actually believe the reputation of Dedolight having a very unique light quality and ‘character’ was forged in the days of tungsten hot lights and LED has sort of leveled the playing field slightly. I recently decided to purchase a couple of discontinued Dedolight tungsten lights. The DLH436. It uses a low voltage 400 watt tungsten filament bulb. The filament is only 10mm x 6mm in size so the optics can be more ‘impressive’ than any LED in terms of spot intensity. If you are chasing the elusive ‘perfect’ character of the Dedolight perhaps consider the DLH436 for yourself… they are currently half price when you buy direct from Dedolight: www.dedoweigertfilm.de/dwf-en/garage_sale/ EDIT: Also thought I should mention that the Dedolight optical quality remains very good when you start to spit them up a bit - other fresnels can get a bit ‘soft’ or ‘fuzzy’ when you start to spot.

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

The Dedo’s have a longer zoom range, I believe, but I’m thinking you could get a similar quality of light with either unit. There is no perfect light, but it’s definitely possible to get similar results with many different units. As a gaffer, you like to have as many different tools available so that you can just reach for the tool that will get you the result you want the most efficiently and with the most flexibility. These are both good tools.

@MatthewChenDirector

3 жыл бұрын

@@cagf2013 Thanks Chris!! I went with two 60x and have not looked back, they are amazing. And once the spotlight mount comes out (which I hear is soon), then it's just going to be so much more amazing.

Luke, love your videos! But dont understand why your audio is so bad this time. ;) Keep it coming ;)

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

My main audio was problematic, so I was lucky enough to have an open camera mic available... not the best, but I didn’t have time to reshoot.

What’s the mount you used for the door?

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

Check some of the other responses to find further info and where you can find them. It’s called a mag clamp.

Sorry, bad audio!

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

Yup! Just glad there was some audio avail from an open camera mic:)

Audio😭

@meetthegaffer

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed... I was trying something new, but it didn’t work😬

@manilamartin1001

3 жыл бұрын

@@meetthegaffer its ok. This was a great video. Love my dedos but this looks like a nice light.

@MrAgrimkohli

3 жыл бұрын

No problem but knowledge piece is at best. Agreed to @manila martin.

Two words - lavalier microphone.

What model clamp are you using at the 11:00 mark?

@meetthegaffer

2 жыл бұрын

It is a Mag Clamp. You can find a version of it available from either American Grip or Norms Studio Equipment. There may be a link in earlier comments.