McGrath's Ultimate Big-Bore Two-Stroke vs. Four-Stroke Shootout
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Two-strokes are more popular than ever these days and finding an old premixer on Craig's List and restoring it is all the rage. As a rider who raced both two-strokes and four-strokes during the peak of his career, Jeremy McGrath got the itch to mix some gas last summer and found an old Kawasaki KX500 for sale and scooped it up for a great price. After completely rebuilding it, The King headed to the Mammoth Mountain MX with it and had a blast racing on the infamous High Sierra course.
Unbelievably, the bike has sat dormant since then in the corner of Jeremy's race shop, so a couple of weeks ago we talked him into taking the KX500 and his 2019 KX450 out to Cahuilla Creek MX Park to do a back-to-back comparison on the pair of big bores. Which do you think he went faster on? Watch and find out!
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I met Jeremy McGrath at Daytona in 2004. I had his book “wide open” and read it 3 times. He was my hero next to Chad Reed. I went up to him to sign my book. I told him “I’m a huge fan of yours and I read your book 3 times.” He replied, “why?” 😂 never forget it.
@rhmerkin
3 жыл бұрын
I literally LOL'd at that. That's hilarious
@flapjackson6077
2 жыл бұрын
Lmao! Funny as shit!
@foobarmaximus3506
2 жыл бұрын
He was right. No one likes a suck up.
@mikepalmer2219
2 жыл бұрын
hilarious.
Imagine getting a call: "hello your kx500 on craigslist still available?" and it's Jeremy McGrath! unless somebody called for him... that would be so cool.
@tird108
4 жыл бұрын
Man is be dead I'd have to atleast try drink beer with him 🤣
@jamessharp9790
4 жыл бұрын
The 89 Kx 250 tank on his bike is one I refinished but couldn’t get all flaws out yet , customer said just send it ASAP. Now I know why and it’s good that it’s not perfect Bc then I’d have JMC also saying oh yeah that James dude in Tx can fix Any plastic tank 😂😂😂
@ME-wq8lq
4 жыл бұрын
I know the guy who sold it to him. Great dealer in Phoenix. I've bought a couple of real nice Banshees off him through Ebay. Highly recommended!
@Willis476
4 жыл бұрын
Thought it was 88-91ish.my buddy had a 90-91 looked similar.I had a 87 kx 80 he use to ride the bike everywhere!On sidewalks in front of the library,on rds,needless to say he was chased alot by the cops! Couldn't catch him untill one cop got tired of it and hit his back wheel.Last time he rode it on the sidewalk and rds😂😂
@TROLLBOGIES228
2 жыл бұрын
@@ME-wq8lq Me too, I just bought a display model 1993 Honda CR250R from him lol
McGrath is a legend, he was my childhood hero. I was racing a CR80 when he was in his prime. I'm 35 know an it's cool to see him still throwin roost! Hats off to you Jeremy, you still got it!👍
@Me-yh4uc
4 жыл бұрын
Shane Fochtman I have his autograph on a VP pit pass during his last season. Bud light year. Met him at the Atlanta super cross. I’m an old guy. I’d give it to you if I could.
@worldtravel101
4 жыл бұрын
Nice! I was just learning to ride at that time. I had an XR80 for a few years then got a CR80.
@foobarmaximus3506
2 жыл бұрын
Dick Ridin! lol
@jasonbell5129
Жыл бұрын
Haha nice bro i was ripping cr 80s too. I was at the gatorback out door national in the 90s and Mcgrath and eric kehoe were battling it out is was gnarly man i think that was MC first outdoor championship that year
I love “ I’m a two stroke guy at heart”. I think those of us who have had both would all say the same thing.
@garrettsmith8286
4 жыл бұрын
Ditto
@ziptiejedi5658
4 жыл бұрын
I grew up on 2 smokers and love them to death. 4 strokes are sweet too. For me it depends on what kind of riding I'm doing. If I want to go hard and ride like an animal ill hop on the yz 250 but if I want to trail ride and just cruise its the yz250f.
@jsknives2495
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah 2 stroke are fun when you are on a track or in open field and can stay in the power band but four strokes for trails
@BiggDaveTV
4 жыл бұрын
Yes! 4 real
@robertraft
3 жыл бұрын
hell yeah. love the 2 stroke power delivery.
Imagine selling your kx500 on Craigslist and showtime shows up to buy it.
@yzrippin
3 жыл бұрын
The price just doubled lol
@yzrippin
3 жыл бұрын
@trav3510 trav3510 shit happens. I let go of my ca street plated yz250 2smoker. Still regret it
just wondering if Jeremy remembers when he used to say "I only like 2 strokes, 4 strokes are good for enduro but not serious race bikes" Word for word from a Dirt Rider '90s interview
@the973kgt
4 жыл бұрын
back then that was absolutely true
@seans7794
4 жыл бұрын
And these days, the top riders in Enduro are on 2 strokes.
@the973kgt
4 жыл бұрын
No, I like both, I have both. I love all motorcycles. However, my CR500 is the one that has that special place in my heart forever. I really like the sound and power delivery of and old school Big bore 2 stroke. I used to race them and I will always favor them. Four strokes have come a long way but I wish they would continue developing new tech for two strokes and bring them back.
@mickeybeahl2233
3 жыл бұрын
I remember that
@larryaustin6011
3 жыл бұрын
so true 4 strokes high maintenance and junk 2 strokes rule
I just love the metallic sound of a two stroke exhaust..there is nothing like that..the smell of the fumes as well..brings me back to when I was a kid, watching my dad race mx. I never got to race mx, just riding a few times (I am a bmx racing guy) but what I would pay to own an mx machine ;-)
As an 80's kid & Kawasaki guy that loves 2 smokes I gotta say I have so many great memories going to the races with my dad watching McGrath racing! It's just not the same these days without all the legends! FYI I live in Phoenix & that might have been the very KX500 I was going to buy....damn.
I kept waiting for him to say “Other than that it’s all original.) 🤘🏿
@wddub9075
4 жыл бұрын
motorcopT2 exactly
@MrCaddy775
4 жыл бұрын
I was going to comment on that T2. He definitely "Chip Foosed" that bike. Sad.
@korymanuel6759
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrCaddy775 definitely did
Jeremy should race the Vet Nationals this year on his 500
@outlawadventures
4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a horrible Vintage day (friday) turn out.
Ahhhh, the sweet BRAAAP of a 500cc two stroke! No comparison. All the KX500 really needs (after Jeremy's build), is a modern day aluminum chassis. Back in the days, those chassis flexed like steamed spaghettis....such is progress.
That was badass MC! Great to hear you going over the 500 and all the fun you have riding it.
Right on. Good collab! Jeremy McGrath is always a smooth talker.
I have a restomod 96 KX 250 and a 2021 KX250x and I just love the 96. It's a handful but it's definitely emotional too. I had a beaten 82 KX80 back in high school so it just takes me back to when life wasn't such a grind.
Good Taste! Have fun with KX500.. thats unique classic two stroke. Its so cool to see you riding big Kawi (I have -90 KX500. Its my fav bike ever)
It was awesome to see Jeremy cranking on a bike again ! He’s my all time favorite/best rider ! I miss thee ol 2 strokes for sure ! I blasted 4 strokes when they started coming out but now I have one lol And after watching this I may go on the hunt for a 500 2 stroke lol
Two strokes and motocross are a marriage made in heaven !
@mickeybeahl2233
3 жыл бұрын
Your name and pic crack me up! I am a Chihuahua owner.
@hotchihuahua1546
3 жыл бұрын
@@mickeybeahl2233 his name is Alvin , he is a treasure !
@mickeybeahl2233
3 жыл бұрын
@@hotchihuahua1546 Is he an Apple or Deer head. Mine is a Deer head. Same color as yours.
@hotchihuahua1546
3 жыл бұрын
@@mickeybeahl2233 I have no clue , I found him wandering on the side of the road in 29 degree temperatures 9 years ago , could not find an owner and adopted him ! He turned out to be one of the best dogs we ever had !
@hotchihuahua1546
3 жыл бұрын
@@mickeybeahl2233 ok , wife said it’s a deer head , shows how much I know ! 😁
Glad to see that green Ktech 🤘
I've had both, and there's nothing like a kx500
@reginaldredman6767
4 жыл бұрын
I prefer CR 500. Both of these bike are legendary.☺👍
@levisalvini4110
3 жыл бұрын
There's nothing like a 500 two smokers... Let's be real😉
@foobarmaximus3506
2 жыл бұрын
And any decent rider on a 450 4-stroke could smoke you.
@dangerx7697
2 жыл бұрын
I also had kx500 Jeff ward works replica....nothing, no thumper would touch it, damn sure no "foobar clown"
@oe542
2 жыл бұрын
@@foobarmaximus3506 there’s no doubt. I know this because I’m a terrible rider. CR500 will always be king.
The one minor detail I never liked on the 500, (KX, or CR) was the bulbous rear fender. The 125’s, and 250’s lines always looked cleaner. There’s no denying the power those things had back then though. My buddy had a KX500, (still has it I believe)and after riding a RM125, that thing felt like it had nitrous on it!!! Great memories!!!
@Tacomaguy458
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is only really bad on the kawis tho. The hondas still look like the smaller bikes...
@daneg
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if that's not also a reflection of the lack of development of 500s. by the mid 90s, manufacturers weren't doing a lot to them from year to year, and then they just dropped the displacement class from the Pro nationals, which pretty much ended development at all.
Take note people, the King has spoken!! This is how you talk and this is how you reveal a bike, share the info! All hail the King! on the bike King and off the bike, also King looks better on the KX500 jmo. U can keep the John Deere 450, If Kawi made this bike with an updated steel frame Id be on it like Pamela Anderson!
Both very nice bikes , great job on the build...
That was really good.
Everybody's gangster on their 450's until Jeremy turns up with his KX500.Not many have the stones to lean into a 2 stroke 500. The man is God
Loved them kx500,s 💥
Both are sick! ❤️
Yee guys clearly have enough funds to get someone like Jeremy McGrath! It would be awesome to see yee do a video on which bike is the king of the 500's 😊 get all the old legends together and compare them that would be really cool to see 👌
I bought a brand new 1986 Works Replica kx500! Yes, it ripped! Sold my last 2001 5hunny for a crf450 and didn't look back until......I just couldn't leave the 2t behind. I just bought a new 2020 KTM 300xcw tpi Erzburg edition and lemme tell you, it's the baddest 2t I've ever rode! Butta smooth! Oil and fuel injected? What?? It's outstanding!
Like seeing the K.I.N.G. even riding a bike. Inspired a lot of people to go out and ride. BMX roots brought to a motocross track was amazing to see the transfer over, back in his flying high nack nack days. Still looks fast to me.
It's sounds great, like it's jetted perfectly.
Pretty cool, shoulda included his ServiceKawi alum framed KX250 too :)
I remember watching The Show and Larocco duking it out in the 90's. It was great racing
Go back to Honda Jeremy! SHOWTIME!!!!!!! I was at your arenacross in Fort Worth back in the 90’s! I followed you since you were on 125cc. I still have your poster lol. It sucks to see that you have Jeff Emigs number 2 on your bike lol. Go back bubba, you are a monster, you are the god father of the nacnac. Steel roots isn’t just a VHS. You are the reason I went all the way on Texas tracks. You are SHOWTIME McGRATH. We in the old school MX scene Miss you bubba. Thank you for crusty demons of course, but you are the King of supercross. Thank you Jeremy. Thank you…..
See this guy riding this two beauties give some nostalgia how good motocross was the 90s.
"I wouldnt take this bike and line up against 450's....." Thats all ya need to hear! I love my old RM and YZ but nothing feels like being 2 gears high on a FI 450 and still having it rip your arms off all the way til redline.
The guys at KX Guru are the best!
McGrath VS Bowers 2020 Redbull Straight Rhythm 🤔
Man Motocross Died the day you left and the two stroke was out!!! No disrespect too Ricky but your the MAN THEN AND NOW!!! The KX500 bike is just SICK!!! Great job on the build hope you do more of these races and little vids like this. Maybe get back on a Honda old school or something like that and do what you did on this vid. I really thing people would watch I know I would LMAO...
Back in the Day back in the Day back in the Day man
You rock dude. And that 500 is sick. But we all know you dig that 2 stroke more. You just can't express how much more cause, let's face it, dealerships aren't selling 2020 kx500's, they're selling kx450f's
I’ve been out of the game for a long time, but the conversions people were doing by putting the 500 braps in a 450 frame looked super solid. No idea how they ride, but damn they look slick.
Incredible how the price of these old KX500s have kept up, should have never sold my '91 lol.
The KING of 2 stroke Super Cross! Back when tracks were nasty!
How fun!
Super cool to hear your impressions of the bikes# but I wish we got some lap times.
I’m probably one of the few that is faster and more comfortable on a 500 than I am on a 450. It’s just my preference, I love 2 strokes and the explosive power of them
2 stroke hey showtime good riding Jeremy
I had a KX500. Loved the bike other than the seat.
I'm sure the modern 450's are fantastic but not sure they would give the same feeling of adrenalin as the 500 2t did. Had an '84' CR500 when I was 15 and 10 stone wet through, can imagine a 450 scaring me quite as much as the old 500 did! 👍
still cooooool as ...... on any bike...one of the most naturally gifted riders
i hit the like on the intro what a view
Doesn't get much cooler then that!
The KING! The Best EVER!
(Back in the day) MC be missing the 90's bad!
Imagine the look on the guys face when Showtime showed up to buy his old KX-500 that needed some love. Imagine the bikes feelings knowing he was going to get thrashed by Showtime!!!
Nice add .. i was hoping for a comparison....
500 sounds beautiful
They should bring back the 500 races
@camgnilpe9300
4 жыл бұрын
when hell freezes over !
@johnkolinoff8591
4 жыл бұрын
Just pay off the EPA..."ASS HOLES!!!
@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443
4 жыл бұрын
EPA has nothing to do with it. If you want to point fingers, point them at the AMA, FIM and manufacturers.
@jeffbronco5627
3 жыл бұрын
The EPA has EVERYTHING to do with the demise of the 2 stroke. The EPA created the standards that most 2 strokes could not meet. Manufactures cannot produce bikes that don't cut the mustard.
@OKFrax-ys2op
3 жыл бұрын
Open class
Soo cool that Kawasaki not only lets you do this but appears to really enjoy it. Sweet Project MC!! [and swap]
Steel frame, heavy, no counterbalancer, piston port technology, before the video even begins im gonna say the 450 wins just on technology alone. Should put the 500 in a 450 frame with upgraded suspension to make it more fair.
Jeremy McGrath has always been my favorite MX pro rider ever🙌🏻😎💯 I bet you anything if he was to do one more race with the pros nowadays he would still win💯👍🏻😎🎸
I’d love to see what the 500s would be if they had all those lost yrs of R&D put into them. We’ll never know, but they will always be the coolest dirt bikes in my eyes....
Looks like Mc is getting back into moto shape after all the truck stuff. Good to see.
@craigbielsky115
4 жыл бұрын
Nothing burns more calories in 45 min workout .....couple weeks on track and that sedentary fat starts burning....lol.
You show up to any track and fire up a 500 and heads turn. I love track riding on my 01 Service Honda 500af, its violent, just the way I like it.
Mc will never get old. Guy sill in great shape. Would be great to see the king on his kx500 at next years Straight Rhythm. How great would that be? The king against 199?
@RevengeAvenger
3 жыл бұрын
#4 the goat
Pretty cool.
Sick channel Donn! Long time no talk. Hope all is well.
Love the kx500, not a fan of the newer style front fender/number plate it just clashes a bit with the test of the bikes styling. Would be sweet to be able to afford a build like that on an older 500. I restored an 86' Honda cr500 this year to OEM spec as best I could with a budget. The cr500 is definetly a bit harder to ride since it doesnt have the power valve like the kx so the power just comes on so much harder especially with the 85/86 motor. Would love to see a pro rip around on my 500.
The geometry on the aluminum frame is better but the problem with those is they don't flex I say put the motor in a KTM and you have everything you need to compete with the new bikes.
“The King”
i had a bunch of steel framed hondas jeremy era. the best steelies ever! 93-96 cr250
What can a 450 do down the 1/4 mile ?.I got 12.2 sec at 108mph on a 86 YZ490.All I did was remove 1 fork spring and 2 spacers to lower the front end.Put a solid bar in the rear end to lower that .Geared it up as much as I could and added a old used front road bike tire to the rear end.
Make 2 Strokes Great Again!
JM 🏆 spoke from the heart. ✔️
This makes me feel old
@BiggDaveTV
4 жыл бұрын
Me 2
They don’t call it the widow maker for nothin. When it comes alive it comes alive!
Im starting to look at 150 2strokes more power than a 125. Lighter than a 250. Possible best of both? Perhaps a 185?
The Man...Jeremy McGrath...... Back in the Day..... my best memories is Jeremy on the Red Machine. It's a bummer what happened with the 4 Strokes, they shortened up the tracks with more turns, makes it hard to keep a 2 Stoke on the pipe to keep up with the low end torque of the 4 Stroke. I wonder if Jeremy would take a CR500 against the 4 Strokes......
McGrath, RJ,Jeff Stanton three of the best!
@horsepowa5606
4 жыл бұрын
Dont forget Randy Hawkins ! lol
@markkus1134
4 жыл бұрын
HorsePowA ! Yep he rode the RMX 250!
Just that 2 stroke sound makes it way cooler !!!
I love the 500cc! Hell yeah🤟🤪
The King 🤘🤘
I would really appreciate a video that detailed those amazing lighting systems that team green used on their Baja 1000 KX 500's. They were reluctant to share which stator they rebuilt for the racing team. It came off some Kawasaki street bike.
@mperhaps
4 жыл бұрын
@Gary McMichael You couldn't understand the sentence? Okay Gary with the silly straw chromosome one more time real slow. I am looking for information on the old team green lighting systems.
@mperhaps
4 жыл бұрын
@Gary McMichael By the way my name is pronounced 'Perhaps'. as in Mitch Perhaps.
Show time!!!!
Showtime should have ridden the 500 at Straight Rythm with Pastrana and Bowers.
Still rocking those Honda Red boots though...
JEREMY SPOKE IN....... CLASS .....TODAY!!
God i miss my kx 500 , and ohh lord i miss my kx450. Most of all i miss my no rev limiter raced out desertcross kx250f
Bring it to the elsinore gp next weekend
We got wheels on it. Thats always a good idea.
That 5 hundo is the business!
When one of the best riders to walk the planet nicely says STOP debating if a 500 is better or equal to a modern 450, we should listen. Enjoy the 500's for what they were and are.
I had a CR 125 R nasty little bike
Have you thought about doing a horse power at the rear wheel of both the 500 and 450?
@brettfrimmer6567
3 жыл бұрын
Modern 450 still wins
@keithpeterson3447
3 жыл бұрын
@@brettfrimmer6567 Nope
Lap Times?
Yeah I kinda figured,and can kinda see u apear to be going faster on your trusty 450four,like u said ur used to it,but my question is being a two stroke racers does it feel any more comfy timing the two stroke or do u think ur timing has really changed to four stroke era...mainly because they hook up so much better,u don't think if u got used the to stroke power band again timing u could ride it as well or better than the new bike,but why the chassis is much better right,I raced a92 KX 500cc and it was not too bad but the chassis really could use a swap to the new frame most guys are doing...when I watch Roczen and others 4 stroke guys u can see how there throttle hand is not in a two stroke groove even as good as they are riding,the new bikes seem to get 30 percent better or more hook up with no extra effort,its a little disheartening even if u had a really dial in race two stroke,but I still think its possible to make it go as well but too much time A...thanks we need to see u do more riding videos and get a good photographer ,camera man ifvu got time....and some cool,places to ride... If u can...thanks still look good
Could a two stroke be made direct fuel injection with separate oil crankcase? Maybe have two injections parallel with plug in head. Optimal fuel air mix at all time with anti knock properties as no exhaust valve to heat and pre ignition woes. Reed valve induction with timed exhaust ports. Might make complex cone pipes less critical. Power every stoke but with the pros of four stroke design. Excellent riding and awesome demo!
Stuff that 500 motor in a new 450 frame!
@dr00andrew
4 жыл бұрын
i gotta say tps rmzilla looks way nicer than mcs kx and probably handles alot better too.
@TepcoCycleRepair
4 жыл бұрын
I was about to post the same thing.
@japslapr
4 жыл бұрын
Wouldnt matter. The power delivery of a 450 is WAYYYYY smoother and useable. The age old debate of which bike/motor is faster around a track is over.... technology wins. You can make every excuse in the world or come up with every reason why... but it doesnt change it. A modern 450 motor/bike is going to be the better weapon on race day for mx/sx
@TepcoCycleRepair
4 жыл бұрын
For the most part I would agree but the main reason is because 2 stroke tech was left behind. If you ride a new KTM vs an old 2 stroke of the same cc, the difference is amazing, new 2 strokes are butter smooth. 450 is super smooth, but the 500 is already at a handicap in the old chassis.
@dannyf4447
4 жыл бұрын
I just miss all of my two strokes I don’t care what it is I want one. ☹️ but no where to ride anymore and getting to old, kids need daddy to go to work.
Two legends - Bike and Rider ✊😁👊
After all the mods it’s basically a 450. The biggest difference is: “The seat”- j McGrath 🙄