We need more comparisons like this. Especially once the Bike and the Suspension is set up for the Riders.. There is no Comparison against a 500cc Two Stroke. This is Proof the Research and Evolution of the 500cc two stroke will never stop. If only a Factory team would have the Balls to Race a 500cc two stroke on thier Race Team..

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching Dennis, We'd love to put Kong in a high profile race. its so good!

@dennismillus4581

10 ай бұрын

@999lazer all 500cc two strokes are that good. I would thrown my own 2010 Service Honda CR500AF in against today's 450 4pukes.

@user-ej5ri9ck8o

10 ай бұрын

I loved 2stroke in the day. And that day has been revised 🎉🎉🎉. Two stokes rool sorry my suzzy. 😢😢😢. RM yellow still would be nice😂😢😢

@dreadfog

10 ай бұрын

450s are not racing in the 500/open class. 450s are the 250 class. 250s are the old 125 class. Stupid.

"I was never scared riding it" as he fish tails out of the corners and hucks to flat, throttle held wide open! Thats insane

Now this was a fair comparison! Admittedly I wanted the 500 to win but with an insane, young and current pro like that doing the riding, you can trust the results. Imagine if the suspension was tuned to his liking and he had some real seat time on it! What a rider 😮

Put it against a cr500 or a kx500

It’d be so cool to see 500cc 2strokes compete with 450s in the USA nationals or supercross!

@gradystanley5812

2 ай бұрын

Wouldn’t be a fair race

So steel frame, chassis developed for about half the power and built (no offense) mostly in a shed. Can you imagine how fast these things would be with the extra 20-30 years of factory development they are missing? About the only big difference on that engine from the old ones is FI. Imagine if the chassis was developed around that engine and that engine was developed with modern design, casting/machining techniques and so on from the ground up. I reckon there would be another 10kg loss and another 10hp more over a massive spread. As if it isn't impressive enough already.

Oh man that big af 2stroker sounds glorious

Great to see a top 4T rider getting to grips and playing music on a (special) 500 2T so quick and with apparent ease. Top video Max and team!

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Guy :)

@mikehatch1967

7 ай бұрын

Yes, he looked really great on Kong!

Tom can truly make that bike work it’s far fetched from the old arm stretchers from the old days. It’s so amazingly controllable right out of the 999 lazer inventory

@JayLee-od8ob

10 ай бұрын

Great racer and nice bike can create lap times. I'm shocked how comparable it actually is

Fantastic video Max, long live king Kong , the bike sounded so good, a big shout to Tom, first time on a 500 and quicker than his race bike, you and you're team Max have built another amazing machine, it blows my mind what machine you would build next, as you have set the bar so bloody high mate.

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks as always Kevin. I always look forward to your comment.:) Cheers Max

There's nothing like a 2 stroke for killer power, and the sound is incredible. I miss the days where all motocross bikes were 2 stroke's.

@colinbowman8816

Ай бұрын

You've looked at dyno plots? A modern 450 makes as much power as an old 2t 500cc over a broader rpm.

That kid is absolutely ripping its head off🤘🤘🤘🤯

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching allyson :)

MX bikes MUST BE. Two strokes, sound & smell of engines is part of the show.

I wasn’t scared at all….half the time he was OFF the throttle on the 2 stroke 500! I’d like to see overall bike weights, and side by side dyno results…I don’t think they are comparable

I don't care what anyone says , I love both bikes and I remember when the 450 4- STROKES were racing against the 250 2-STROKES . Now we have incredible 450's that can run with the 500 2-STROKES . Oh yeah ! What is the price difference for both bikes ? You guys have been massaging the KONG for some time now and it's an Amazing motorcycle . Thanks for the wonderful videos and the passion you all have for the SPORT . I'm loving every moment of it . Thanks for showing that even Professional Riders sometimes go down too . Just glad no one got hurt and no broken bones . I've been laid up a few times and it's no fun . Keep the videos coming , 2-Strokes are a blast . Thanks !!!

Very good guys! This is the vid everyone has been waiting for!

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Jonny :)

Great watch every time love your channel sir keep the great content coming god bless.The sound of that petrol oil mix is beut😮

brilliant vid the 2 stroke sounded out of this world and it looked faster even without the stop watch, hats off to that fella riding like that was a pleasure to see and hear.

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Arthur, It was mind blowing to watch (and hear) in person. I hope the video did it justice. Cheers Max

Both class bikes but I'd still have to two-stroke

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

no doubt there, thanks for watching as always:)

That was so fun to watch. And the sound... as I'm also Conjuring up in my mind the smell of castor oil in the pre-mix ;) Would absolutely love to see Carson Brown ride this bike (US 2-stroke aficionado/pro racer).

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

it smells as good as it sounds :) thanks for watching. Carson would rip on Kong no doubt

What i like best is the 500 doesnt have the vibration sounds of a big bore 2 stroke. Excellent.

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Yep the counterbalance shaft on the BRC motor means virtually no vibrations. Thanks for watching :)

Absolutely love this video shootout ! He is a great rider that is a rear end steering guy like Villapoto! Which is perfect for these types of bikes on that perfect track ! 😊😊

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching Raymond :)

Would love to see Tom on that 500cc vs modern 450’s like Neville Bradshaw did

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

i think we can make that happen :) Tom is keen to have a race.

@shallah777

9 ай бұрын

​@@999lazeri hope he does

Awesome vid and Tom what a ride on the beast. Oh one more thing it sounds so sweet.

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Kevin, I think its safe to say Tom gave it 100% Not many can do that on a 500 :)

That things a beast great job guys

Incredible Bike! Now, Nev need´s to Race it!

Great video, thanks for that 👍

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

its a pleasure:) thanks for watching Troy

Back in the day the Honda CR500R was a mega machine. Under power it had the torque of a four stroke without real weight. Under power you could ride it and put it where you wanted to. But stopping it was another story. It was so easy to lose sight of how quick you were going. I was so small at nine stone that all I could do was ride it on the throttle to the point it tried to kill me. To date the most devastating machine I have ever been on. If KONG is anywhere close and probably better, with all the modern teck listed, I can see why Tom nailed it and has the smile to prove it. Mega.

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. Appreciate your comment, the CR500 is an iconic machine for sure.

@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443

10 ай бұрын

Thats why they make oversize brakes. Mine gets a good workout!

You should do these tests on asphalt with supermoto tires.. would be really cool and helpful to see difference between 300 tpi 2t and 450/500 4t

Shows you in this comparison back when they were introduced the 450s into Supercross against a 2-stroke 250, they should have never allowed it. Plus I think tracks have been more designed for 4 strokes now

Semi-pro C-class rider here... A friend of mine used to win & place A-class races on his 125 against 250s. It's always more about skill than CC's, as proven here. Riiiiing on though! I grew up on 2 stroke air cooled bikes, so, I've never been a big fan of braaaaap. 😂

love the smokers coming back... I never differed

2-Strokes That's The away Dirt Bike should sound & Smell, Change my mind

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

i'll never be able to change your mind about that. Thanks for wathing:)

@tadracket448

9 ай бұрын

When I was a kid, I laughed at 2-strokes. Said they were sounded like they were going 100mph but never went anywhere. Then when I was 14, my dad brought my brother and I an '81 KDX420 home that needed rebuilt and assembled. I was bitten. Changed my life. 2stok4lyf

Bro I put 300cc big bore kit on my 2014 KTM 250 sx. That feeling is so awesome! I literally feel your joy! Sick!

That 500 is a rocket 🚀 he was absolutely ripping it… I think if the suspension was set up for him and had more ride time on it he would shave another 1 or 2 off the 1.19 !! Another brilliant video and hats off to lads of the build sound so CRISP💨💨💨🚀💨🚀🚀💨

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Dave, glad you enjoyed it :)

Great video love the two strokes and Tom is a star .

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Martin, Glad you enjoyed it :)

I like how he was up on the pegs more with the 500! 🏁

Grin from ear to ear! So fun to watch!

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it :)

Freaking awesome b2b. Tom did great but Kong, did us proud. Well done guys and btw, the production requires a 👍

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Really appreciate the awesome comment. I know all the guys will be pumped with it :)

That thing sounds SO good.

I really enjoyed this. Now my prediction is that he would be 3-5 secs faster per lap if he were to ride the 500cc for two months about 4 days a week. He was naturally very comfortable on the 4 stroke which is what he’s used to so he’s going to actually ride it better. The 2 stroke made up that difference due to being more powerful and quicker so if he was adjusted to the bike he would be faster on the 2 stroke for sure. Now I would like to see that test done where he’s had several months to practice on the 2 stroke. If he practiced only on the 2 stroke and did not ride the 4 stroke at all then I would say he would easily beat it by 5 secs.

I think Kong needs scoop tire. Nice to check lap time with scoop.

Just listening to that bike and missing the 2 stroke smell it was still sweet. I expected Kong to beat it all beefed up but I am 13:26 sure the gas gas is set up pretty sweet to. All and all a pretty even playing field

Amazing from the 450. I didn’t expect that.

@thatmodshop7160

9 ай бұрын

This is the result of a good rider on a good bike, long live big bore 2 smokes

Such an interesting test. Performance goes where technology development goes. Two strokes is probably the best technology on the field and this is the prove 👍

That was an awesome comparison loved the match up KONG is an awesome build 👏

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it, thanks for watching

Absolut geile Videos...... ich finde die immer Mega und interessant.🤟🤟

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Vielen Dank fürs Zuschauen und deinen tollen Kommentar

Great vid.

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks:)

Fuck Yeah! that was a great comparison. Love your work guys :::::))))))

That sound!!!

Awesome video Max , so pleased the 2 stroke won .................

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Cheers Scott, it was tight, but a win is a win. Pretty awesome considering it was Toms first time on the bike too.

At first I was like ”hold on it is not even the same test rider! How is that fair?!” And it took me halfway through the video to realize he hade a kit with red on one side and black on the other😂😂it was just filmed from different sides at times. i am so stupid

Great video. He'd be so much more fatigued on the 2S. Still, awesome single lap Time.

The dirt looks great. Is that the vet track?

Electric start ? Woosie ! And no Nitrous bottle either. I bet that Kong is EXPENSIVE as Hell. Sure is wicked cool.

Before even watching it right through KONG for the win!! Damn that thing sounds good!! And looks fast 💪

Hell yeah! Do it! Looked like he was enjoying the 500!

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. it was so good to watch and hear in person. I hope the video did it justice :)

@Sn0w1981

10 ай бұрын

@@999lazer Absolutely, the bike looked planted in the slo-mo. And sounded like it was dialed in perfect. Good job! Keeps my hopes alive of seeing these big bore 2strokes race at top level again!

I have 2 video ideas u should do ktm vs husqvarna vs GASGAS or motocross 450 vs cross-country 450 vs enduro 450

Incredible...... that 500 is amazing....

Impressive a totally different bike is able to eek out a win over his pro race bike which is impressive in itself but that just proves if he had more experience and tuning its clearly a faster bike. Also, awesome bike man!

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. We weren't expecting Kong to be able to beat his own 450 so we were blown away with the result. We will make a race happen with Tom on the 500 for sure.

if one has the strength and desire the 2 stroke 500 has to be the winner you cant beat the raw explosive horsepower the trick is tio Manage the power to beat a 450

Wicked video Tom is a brilliant rider would like to see nev ride kong and see what he recons to it compared to the yzilla

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Tom did ride the Yzilla too, we'll have a video with him on that coming soon:) and yep we think Nev needs a blast too...

This track is sweet

2 stroke sounds like gun helicopters in Bioshock

If you want to compare this to a (mostly) stock CR500 & KX500, mine are as close to stock as you'll find. I even have the original pipe on my CR.

@pudlyjongearhead2851

10 ай бұрын

Many old-timers have told me that the stock pipes were the all-around best for them. Unfortunately, mine came with an fmf, and the stock one was wasted. So I can't test that statement.

Congratulations for another epic video Max!! Considering the last bolt on this bike and also including the labor, what should be the price for Kong;;; North of 30 k?? And how much hp is the motor??

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks, we haven't put Kong on the Dyno yet, but will do soon now its all done. We'll be sure to film it and let you know the results. Costs depend on what donor bike you start with and how far you go making it look good I guess. We haven't added it all up but probably £15k to £20K or a little more if you start with a brand new bike.

@panosgliaos5725

10 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for your answer! Looking forward for the Dyno video!! Keep up the good work!!

@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443

10 ай бұрын

The engine kit itself is $7-$8K.

Wow!

thankyou for turning off the music when the 500 was singing

Tom's a beast

You guys have any trouble tuning the 500 as a tpi? Had a bit of trouble with mine mainly idling too low but got the tb yesterday so hopefully it fixes that, also had an issue with a lean bog because the power valve opens too soon but found an easy fix for that.

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

When we first did the conversion we ran it once with the TPI, the bike ran well apart from the idle, but that's because we didn't do the idle screw mod (as we knew we were going to do the tbi conversion). Obviously we had TSP flash the ECU to the BRC500 spec first. The TBI conversion using @brc racings new TBi throttle body is incredible. Our bike couldn't run any better, its incredible. We still use the stock TSP flash , but you have to get hold of the new ERM module that TSP have recently brought out to adjust the fuelling and increase it by 20% in most areas otherwise the bike will not run well. If you speak to TSP or BRC they will guide you though this. If you are in the UK Rutherford Racing are the guys to talk to about the ERM. We are making a full video from start to finish about the throttle body conversion. It will be out in the next couple of weeks and you'll see what we've done from start to finish. Hope that helps.

@mathewsharp233

10 ай бұрын

@@999lazer cheers for the reply, I can get it to idle faster if I turn the idle screw up but where it needs too be for normal idle speed the tps % is too high, it can't go over a certain % or it messes with the mapping, doesn't seem to like cold starting either that's probably down to the slow idle though . I'm based in aus, the tsp map has been tweaked a fair bit it was running way too rich fouled a plug in the beginning and the pipe was full of oil . I just got the brc throttle body a few days ago be taking it back to the dyno once installed so no plans for the erm at this stage hoping the tb makes a big difference though can't wait. The bog it had wouldn't be as bad on a track possibly wouldn't even happen, it was roll on 5th or 6th gear just as it hit powerband, if I keep the revs up from the get go like you would on a track it's not noticeable. You probably know by now but keep an eye on that decomp nearly lost mine before I added loctite and fairly sure that plastic power valve cap is going to melt showing signs already, found some similar billet rotax sea doo caps but m8 thread so no go and can't find anything but plastic for the brc pv which is rotax evo.

Could you also do a straight line drag race soon?

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

how about this :) we did it a few weeks ago kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWtlsa6DdNGdXdY.html

Run YZilla and Kong same weekend. That'd be a blast. Great rider to push both machines equally. With a little more time he might break high 18's on Kong! Never disappointed watching 999 LAZER.

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Eric, funny enough we did take YZilla too and Tom had a little ride on it as well:) They'll be another video coming with the results of that one...

@Eric--zs6um

10 ай бұрын

@@999lazer sweet

5:34 the front disc should be laser cut with their name in there and it would probably stop better, and have a reason for the name cut in there. Ultimate advertising 👍

Brill vid, two strokes rule 👏

@999lazer

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching:)

I used to ride a yz490 and I can tell you it didnt sound anything like the Kong 🎉

Great vlogg max thanks for another banger 🤜🏻🤛🏻

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

No probs Docs, glad you enjoyed it :)

@NewDocs77

10 ай бұрын

@@999lazer always enjoy your VLOGGS max

6,40 in 2 stroke is a winner just the sound of it is a winner.......

❤can't wait to see Kong race for real. Such an awesome bike. Win it for the big boy 500 two stroke heroes of Old. 🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂🎉. That boy can ride a 2stroke and looked more at home on it than the 450.. . This is the power of old to the new. . Flex hard boys when you win 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the awesome comment :)

@user-ej5ri9ck8o

10 ай бұрын

You and the boys you are awesome . Great content . Awesome 💯 riding. I am 48and have an off the rails Suzuki Swift. Ha Ha. Suzuki Rmx 450z 2010. . Love all the bikes . But yellow hits my heart . I have more Suzuki s. That are Swift also. A Ds80. And an 82GSX750e .

Get in 🤛🏻💨💨💨

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

haha thanks Tess, we were so pumped with the result. it was close but a win is a win :)

Whatever the comparison, I get the 2-stroke is simply just more fun. Kids today don't know the joy of a 2-stroke. It's just a lot more fun.

I have never rode a 4 stroke open class. But I can say definitely that there is no way they are as much fun as my 85 cr500 was. Might be faster, but grins per mile nothing touches a 500 2 stroke. This channel ( and that bike) makes me remember that flying to close to ground( sometimes waaay to close) feeling. Thanks!

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

500 are special bikes for sure. Thanks for watching :)

Wow, same times! When it's set up for him it'd be quicker

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching Dylan:)

How do u boys at Lazer999 rate the EFI BRC 500 based husky compared to the carbied YZilla BRC 500 based bike? Do ya's think the EFI is way better or still like a perfectly jetted/carbied 2-stroke? Also im sorry but even though the BRC 500's sound good, NOTHING sounds better then a proper prepped and tuned KX500 (and i mean that with no offence intended) 👍 awesome vid guys keep em coming ✊️🤘🤘

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

Its early days with the Husky but it is crisper and feels different to the Yzilla. The BRC Tbi system has been incredible so far. I think the pro's will prefer the TBi system as it makes the bike more aggressive to ride, but a "normal" ride may prefer the slightly softer feel of the YZ

That mf 500 2 stroke sound gd GOOODDDDDD!!!!!! Damnnnnnn SONNNNN!!!! It give me the chills

Make drag race between this bikes

If they ever let 2 strokes enter back in the factory cc for cc , for example 250 vs 250 , 450 vs 450 with todays fuel injection, the 4 stroke sales would die overnight

Great video Max. I would like to see Billy Bolt ride this for a few laps. After all, the bottom end is a Husky and he is as crazy a throttle twister as I can think of. It maybe the best shot at getting a factory to race it.

3/10 of 1 second is to close to declare a winner Long gone are the days 2 strokes made double the power of a 4 stroke

3/100. Wow.....close

Great video so glad the 500 won

It was Grimshaw's first time on the bike, it wasn't even set up for him, it was basically an adaption of a 300 enduro- the whole thing wasn't even meant to be a 500mx... Just imagine if it was built with the resources of a factory, not just a couple of guys in a garage. Lazer just made the whole 450 class seem like some kind of a scam.

Is gas gas their own or who makes them.

I choose 2stroke 500

I’d have guess 2 or 3 seconds

I'd like to see jet Lawrence take it for a spin

2 stroke >>>>

Curious how tall the rider is?

I'm surprised the 500cc bike didn't significantly beat the 450cc bike. I understand the difference between 2-strokes and 4-strokes (e.g. weight, shifting frequency, etc.), but the 500cc bike is more powerful and lighter. Hmm?

@Scissors69

10 ай бұрын

The suspension wasn’t set up to his liking

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

You have to remember it was Tom's first time on the 500, he's been riding the 450 all year. It would be interesting to see the difference with more time on the 500 :)

@brokenspokesxl1164

10 ай бұрын

You're correct, mx bikes are about power to weight ratios. A 500 2t is an opera class bike and a 450 4t is the replacement for the 250 2t due to engine dynamics. This test just shows how good the modern 450 is

@ragsbiker7316

9 ай бұрын

Also don't forget that he has been riding 4 strokes for years and has got very used to them . 2 strokes take time to master I guess he could with practice take another 5-6 seconds within a couple of days and probably more over a longer time

$20k bulid ?

now u gotta make 100 kongs and start a dealership

@999lazer

10 ай бұрын

haha, that would be cool,