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Mazda pioneered the rotary engine and set out on a mission to prove that it was capable of beating anything with pistons. And after decades of racing and development, they finally created their masterpiece, the 787b. But when it came time for Mazda to race at the 24 hours of Le Mans, they were outright banned...
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@Obama_Approves
24 күн бұрын
8 hours ago?? just kidding i know he just uploaded the video but posted the comment 8 hours ago
@vwdubbsta
24 күн бұрын
Isn’t this an old video? A re run broski really
So many still think this car was so dominant that it was banned, but it was quite the opposite. Mazda never really was a big player in Group C, but when the rules changed they had their final shot to win the big one - and that in itself is a big achievement. Many will fail under pressure, but they managed to put it all together one last time to finally achieve what they fought for all these years. Very remarkable.
@Whyteeford
24 күн бұрын
The 787B pretty much won because the better cars crapped out. But full respect to Mazda, they did build a fully capable car
@Thri11seeker
22 күн бұрын
@Whyteeford you say that but all the competitors were running at the time it was in second but got first because merc broke down and besides the point what makes this car great is that in racing it's most stable power output that's balance doesn't upset chassis along with its lightweight fuel efficiency and reliability in racing because not many people realize this but rotarys are in reality the most reliable engine in racing sadly not as reliable on street but there is too much description behind that but anyways the fuel efficiency dominates the rest it's actually able to run a double stint for other teams as a single stint because it's tire management and fuel management and most people don't realize that in le mans the car actually was tuned down because they found that turning the tune down would have fuel efficiency go up 30% for a 8% power reduction that's not actual numbers except for the rough 30% fuel efficiency improvement but this comment is too long already I plan to make a video going over all the details in the future
@sandasturner9529
18 күн бұрын
Hey, there's this car called the Mazda RX792P that uses an engine almost identical to the Mazda 787B. It was built _after_ the 1991 24 Hours of Lemans race.
@Thri11seeker
17 күн бұрын
@sandasturner9529 yea rotarys weren't banned it's a misconception it was group c as a whole that was ended because they wanted to change it to be more like f1 with same engine types get rid of the variety and ruin it until imsa came around and made them see how stupid they were
@davidgonzalez4665
14 күн бұрын
Agreed, as great as the rotary was, Mazda could not compete in terms of outright pace. By the time R26B came into play, Mazda had sorted it out to make it super reliable, albeit down on power compared to the likes of Porsche, or even its domestic competition, Nissan And Toyota.
What I really love about Mazda is their persistent belief in doing things thier own way, even if it makes things more difficult or is a significant departure of proven solutions. From rotary engines, naturally aspirated petrol engines with high compression ratio, daring design and innovative features like in the Eunos Cosmo, and even striving to be a multi-brand group from small cars with Autozam to luxury cars with Amati - only money can limit their goals, not the doubt of others.
@bennyb.1742
24 күн бұрын
Same. My favorite car company. There's just so many "Go home Mazda, you're drunk" moments that they actually put into production. They're still doing it! It's like "Ok Mazda, we all need to make EVs now ok?" and Mazda goes and makes a usual, crappy, EV appliance crossover but then jams a rotary in it to use as a generator lol.
@tizodd6
24 күн бұрын
They've kept the Miata alive for this long...and made it less feminine looking over the years. For that, I'm grateful. Now, if they could only manage to bring back the RX7, make it reliable, and as gorgeous as the FD🙏🏽
@szymusu
24 күн бұрын
Yeah, and they still haven't put a turbo in a miata despite people saying it's too slow, which would make it heavier and much more expensive. I really respect that, they stick to their own formula.
@tizodd6
24 күн бұрын
@@szymusu I can't lie though...I'd love to see them release a supercharged Mazdaspeed Miata. Still keeping the normal N/A in the lineup though, of course.
@HerrZenki
24 күн бұрын
this is pretty much honda to a tee when it comes to motorsport. they pretty much prefer to do things their way.
To be precise, Rotary was never banned on Le Mans nor "Endurance" but only at World Sportscars Championship series where Le Mans had their own regulations back then. After their win, there's a few rotary racecars still compete at Le Mans, from their IMSA GTO RX7 with 3 Rotor in 1994, Kudzus, to WR thanks to Jim Downing effort. Heck, even in this current regulation you can bring rotary to Hypercar class, it's just no one running it yet.
I find it hilarious that both the 717 and 787 scored their wins based on reliability and fuel efficiency. Two things that are meme worthy massive weaknesses of the rotary in popular parlance
@albonfilms
24 күн бұрын
Exactly haha
@tizodd6
24 күн бұрын
@bennyb.1742: Not all rotaries though. Remember, the 13b in the FD got a bad name because it was overengineered for the time, and was made with a lot of cheap parts to keep the cost down (I owned a '93). The older non-turbo rotaries in the FB and FC were pretty reliable though. Their weak point was always the oil consumption. Apex seals weren't an issue until the 3rd gen.
@realherobrine5636
24 күн бұрын
Rotaries last longer when revved high
@duhlorean741
24 күн бұрын
@@realherobrine5636precisely, i was tryna find someone who hasd said this. The only reason the rotary could survive the whole 24 with no.maintnence issues is because it was being pushed hard the whole 24, the wayit was built to be used.
@boblikepie
23 күн бұрын
I remember seeing interviews with Alan Moffat who ran the fb rx7 in the Australian Touring Car Championship going on about how reliable the rotary engines were and that Mazda Australia gave them more engines than they ever needed
This should become an actual movie about the history of Mazda's Early racing days to the win at Le mans like Ford V Ferrari. The driver that finished first had a broken leg and also health problem that you can see the mazda team carrying him. This one race was a truly one of the greatest moments in automotive history from some bored Mazda dealerships guys and their racing attempts to finally taste the victory after 2 decades. It was the Le mans car that could and it did beat them all in reliability, fuel efficiency and the race.
@grimplayz7565
24 күн бұрын
it’s not that good of a story, it’s just another basic le mans story
@ToyotaCorolla-qs7ml
24 күн бұрын
He had food poisioning
@duhlorean741
24 күн бұрын
Thank you, finally, someone see's that this story needs a movie! And whoever says it doesnt, and that it's boring, needs to go back to focus on their goddamn ABC's, thank you.
@MahadShahzad08
24 күн бұрын
@@duhlorean741 Yeah true the first reply guy definitely does
@29_anindrarafifd.90
24 күн бұрын
Definitely will watch that if it's happening
Dorito engine go hard
The reason the 787B was so reliable is because it was at high RPM constantly, rotaries are most reliable at high RPM, because at low RPM carbon build up starts to occur, which is why the apex seals are the main issue If you want your rotary engine to last long, drive it hard, at least once a day
@heeroguy
15 күн бұрын
76k on my rx8 and i drive it like a bastard everytime, no hot or cold start issues, also raced it a few seasons aswell, but this is just the best advice, also premix
@clvtch444
15 күн бұрын
@@heeroguy Yeah premix and red lining are the way to keep a rotary healthy
Fun fact: Mazda won Le Mans 8 times, but only the 787B took the overall victory. The fact that most of Mazda's other Le Mans victories were attributed to Mazda being the only one to compete in a particular class is another story. Every car that wins the 24h Le Mans wins because it should win, in Le Mans you don't win by chance.
@user-qx9yv1wk8k
16 күн бұрын
13:00 sounds 2000's 14:40 ; 15:20 Roca wear est1999
@user-qx9yv1wk8k
16 күн бұрын
16:00 ;16:38
@user-qx9yv1wk8k
16 күн бұрын
2.6 to 4.0 liter 4 banger testing 18:00 ; 16:00 ; 17:50 ; 17:00 ; 18:39 note colors dan meaning
@user-qx9yv1wk8k
16 күн бұрын
19:59 ; 21:00
@manoo422
Күн бұрын
Complete dribble.
Thank you for making a video on this legend
Did you know that after 1991, a rotary-powered Mazda car was back to Le Mans in 1994, right? And there were several rotary prototypes (Kudzu) racing there from 1995 onwards, and one even got the very same R26B engine that was used by the 787B in 1991. So in fact, Mazda + rotary were NEVER banned from Le Mans
@barkyonyx962
20 күн бұрын
count up how many braincells you lose everytime seeing this old myth being spewed around because i can physically feel it rotting my brain
@cool3865
7 күн бұрын
yeah its funny how everyone wanted to go after the 3.5 engine but it only lasted one season, after that everyone went their own ways on engines with mazda making engines for the Kudzu LMP675 cars
24:07 The sheer dedication of Johnny Herbert :') Imagine giving it all till the very end
As the old saying goes "To finish first, first you must finish".
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Conquering Le Mans is an astonishing accomplishment. Doing so in the incredible Group C is something else. Add a rotary engine to the mix and it's almost unbelievable. A big congrats to the dedication of those engineers and drivers for persevering. Would love to see Mazda returning to Le Mans. As usual, this was a superb production. Great research, editing and narration. I'm really beginning to enjoy your work.
The legend came back! Amazing production quality man
I love this story! I could listen to it over and OVER again! Though being a Mazda enthusiast I wish MazdaSpeed would come back! Great video as ALWAYS!
Quality commentary as always mate, loved this one, the perfect summary of an amazing race. I finally managed to see the 767B in action a few weeks ago in Adelaide, now just need to track down an event with the 787B running :)
Honestly the story to the 787b and the engineering is much deeper and I actually been debating on explaning rotarys and racing in the future for this reason to compile all the info that gets left out in videos but this is a extremely hard task because im not making a script
My dude got a RX7 and knew he wanted to make this video. Lol
@albonfilms
24 күн бұрын
Hahahahaha yep
Having seen you included pictures from the 1991 sporting regulations appendix J, I assumed you'd be talking about Mazda being discounted on the Category 2 weight penalty and effectively being closer to a light C1 than to its classmates. 750-830-1000 kg The extra 100 to 150 kg is what killed the Jaguars and the Porsches on pace and reliability
I truly appreciate your work. Thank you so much for all the hard work dude!!!
Also a crazy part of the story is that Volker Weidler, car #55's third driver lost one of his earplugs while driving the car. The super high-pitched scream from the rotary engine caused him permanent hearing damage, which also affected his sense of balance and he had to retire from racing altogether the next year. Quite tragic, he won Le Mans, but it cost him his career.
Not banned, just the last day of the old reg and this mazda got lucky. But win is a win. So, not banned
Those 787B cars were gorgeous!
Michael Schumacher is in that race that Mazda won....He's with the Mercedes Sauber team....This is also where Johnny Herbert got sick after the victory....he didn't even came in the podium....
A lot of young people don't realise how far back rotors go, yes Chevrolet were first but Im super glad Mazda's 70's and 80's development played out the way it did giving us the RX3. RX4 and then RX7 (i realise there were cars before these eg r100) and the 3/4 rotor configurations. A win is a win however you spin it, and its history. I hope Mazda Motorsport continue to tour the world with the historic cars of this era so people can see and hear them in person.
The Mazda engineers never took the L.
What a stupid click bait title. The car wasn't "banned" at all. The FIA changed the rules, therefore making the car ineligible to enter the next year.
@The.Game_Zone
18 күн бұрын
THIS
@comic.sans24
16 күн бұрын
Exactly. FIA planned all teams should mount the 3.5L engines used in F1 so any maker who developed Turbo, Rotary or whatever different than an natural aspirated 3.5L engine wouldn't be alloud to compete. So, as you say, not banned, just new regulations.
beautiful story telling! When is the movie coming out?
Most fun car that I ever had was an rx3 station wagon in original silver gray. It had an IMSA racing engine in it and would do 160 mph. Hidden aerodynamic changes to keep it from becoming a flying brick.
The footage of early Mazda sedans racing around looked like scaled down American cars from the 50s.
Rotary : 20v 4 banger or 24 v 4 banger concept 11:00 throwin C's all day
Mazda is my favorite out of the 'regular' car makers. I've owned a Mazda continuously for over a decade. From Miatas to CX-5s. My first sportscar was an NB Mazdaspeed, and I've owned an NC2.5, ND1, and ND2. I've since moved on to Porsche for sportscars, but I own a CX-50 as a daily. I really hope Mazda makes the Iconic SP. If it's any good, it could entice me back to getting another Mazda sportscar.
@JoshuaC923
21 күн бұрын
Even their normal cars look great, built quality is excellent too
Dude did you call 60s Le Mans a NEW endurance race? It is the most famous endurance race since the 1920s
Albon Posts A Video... I Click It... Its That Simple. 🤷🏽
Lol perfect timing ive been trying to bring a 82 mazda rx7 gsl back from the dead and honestly the rotary has been growing on me
Thanks Albon!🫵🤡
I always thought that this story deserved a Hollywood movie production of its own, such a great narrative
@cool3865
7 күн бұрын
why? the movie would just 80% of everyone watching the 717,727,737,757,767 just fail at racing Lemans or even finishing it. then the other 20% would be watching the other C1 cars just drop out like flies from the race, the 787b won by luck and only luck.
Persistence is the only way a rotary owner can be described... yes we're nuts but I've owned my FD since 2010 and still loving every moment of it...thanks for the video... it made my day
The thing about the 787B is what we rotary guys now understand, the more rotors, the more reliable the engine is. But alas the more rotors, the more fuel the car's guzzle.
🙌🏽 Dorito power
It entered like 30 races and won one. Wow.
Another awesome video. Mazda is my favourite car manufacturer, one day I'll get my own fd rx7, zoom zoom!
@cool3865
7 күн бұрын
and you will spend more time with it in the garage than you will driving it
Thanks for another video and you are very close to 300k though if you have time on 300k you should do a stream like all the other 1 mil youtubers
@albonfilms
24 күн бұрын
Thank you!
I always love underdog stories. This one as equivalent good as Ford v Ferrari. Mazda till this day remains an underdog compared to its Japanese counterarts. Persistent? Most definitely!
@cool3865
7 күн бұрын
maybe to Toyota and Honda, but not the others anymore
8:56 what am I looking at
@pineapple3737
24 күн бұрын
fb rx7
@xraider927
24 күн бұрын
Seems like a editing issue or something.
the engine was never illegal, in 1990 the rules for the new 3.5 F1 engine were going to be used for the 1992 season, so mazda knew that the 1991 LeMans was going to be their last chance since the new 3.5 F1 engine would be used for the 1992 season. thats the only thing, the engine was never illegal, it never got banned, just a change in the engine rules that got voted in back in 1990 for the 1992 season. kinda like everyone knew that the 1994 season would see the WSC group.
Hey Albon, any thoughts on bringing back the "why you cant afford" series? Would love to see it expand maybe even dabble in european or american tuner cars :)
Getting pegged for the ad? I love the dedication 😂
@albonfilms
24 күн бұрын
It's a national past time
84h of Nurb?! Damn, that was a solid rotary
Rotary engines sound AMAZING‼️‼️‼️
This video has me HYPED!!!! Wanna take your FD and my RX-8 to ECR now? lol
Now I know the origin of the Mazdaspeed A-Spec "Type 2" FD RX-7 running lights come from, the 717C
Refined driving dynamics
If the phrase "f**k the meta!" was a car. It may not be the fastest but it showed you don't have to do the things the "right" way to succeed.
This story was truly about GRIT...
I love them rotary engines
you have no idea how long ive been witing for a vid
They basically cheated their way to the most undeserved win in the history of Le Mans...
the OG sigmas of the world
GT-C class 500,000 miles displacement before up grading
Did anyone else notice an artifact on the side of his face? Looked like compression or maybe a greenscreen glitch? Might just be my computer
Le Mans wasn’t new at the time of the Cosmo, and it wasn’t just then “taking over the world”. Le Mans is the oldest endurance race in the world, first run in 1923
Wasn’t this video put up like a year ago??
717c 4 banger size, arch weight displacement balance planted downforce
❤ #Toyota GR Corolla ❤️
The Japanese guy was never known as Mr Le mans to any meaningful extent. Only 2 drivers have ever earned that exhalted title, Jackie Ickx, with 6 wins, and a career that saw him drive, and win, for Ferrari in Formula 1. And of course the great Tom Kristensen, who won 9 times at Le Mans.
I wasn't gonna subscribe but then you said scrilla. I'm in.
Ah yes, time to learn about my favorite racecar, ever.
They been in the Le mans many times, but not competitive..
the only thing that MAZDA did was they left a huge mark in motorsport history as the first ever japanese manufacturer and as well as the only rotary engine powered car to win in the prestigious 24hrs of lemans...
HA!, I TOLD YOU GUYS A DORITO CAN WIN LE MANS!!!!!
le mans wasnt new it was there in 20's itself
When your going up against Mercedes, Porsche, Jaguar, Ferrari. You never had a chance to win
@cool3865
7 күн бұрын
Fearrari didnt come back to LeMans until 1995
Nothing else sounds like it either.
@kozylations
23 күн бұрын
Rotary engines sound amazing 😢
This is my most driven car on gran turismo 7, anyone else?
Gang Gang.
Better make cheaper reasonable maverick 12:00 that saleen truck aint do 80's-2000's size easy on insurance and afford labor parts
Sorry to pick holes in this, but there's no IMSA class at Le Mans.
@Hab1tual1nfamy31
22 күн бұрын
Yes there was, IMSA GTO, GTP and GTX class cars ran at le mans between 84' and 90'
@cool3865
7 күн бұрын
@@Hab1tual1nfamy31 IMSA stopped running at the LeMans in the mid 80s, only C1 and C2 classes from 86-93
@Hab1tual1nfamy31
7 күн бұрын
@@cool3865 IMSA Class winners at le mans 1984-90: 1984 IMSA GTO: Porsche 911 SC 1985 IMSA GTP: Jaguar XJR-5 1986 IMSA GTX: Porsche 961 1986 IMSA GTP: March 85G 1987 IMSA GTP: Mazda 757 1988 IMSA GTP: Mazda 757 1989 IMSA GTP: Mazda 767B 1990 IMSA GTP: Mazda 767B
Four stroke piston engine displacement is rated based on 2 revolutions of the crankshaft to fire all chambers. To join the billion 4 stroke engines in displacement ratings, the rotary displacement must also be based on 2 engine revs, not one. And ja the car was slow... To finish first you first have to finish! And at that moment the car was rated at 2.6 l instead of the actual displacement. None matters Mazda finished #1 🎉🎉 .
reliability, lol yay!
*brap* *brap* *brap* *brap* *RAAAAAAAAAAH* *RAAAAAAAAAAH* *RAAAAAAAAAAAH*
Def my favorite Maz Le Mans car
didn't felix wankel a german create the rotary from a dream he had
Toyota did the same.
Doritos >
*fc rx7
The 787 wins the World Championship of Best Sounding Racecars ever.
I don't care if the Mazda 787B should never have won Le Mans!
@cool3865
7 күн бұрын
honestly it was just pure luck that the Mercedes had its bad luck that allowed the mazda to win, but yea the 787b should of never won that race
how is this video so dead
@albonfilms
24 күн бұрын
We just posted!
The Puerto Rican Rotary Engine Mechanics Make the Fastest Rotary in the World.
@albonfilms
24 күн бұрын
Yes they do!
dont use bgm
Brap brap brap! Has Mazda ever won a series or race on merit alone. Very good at politicing,, the reason they ever won here in Oz. Noisy antisocial things that have always suffered from engine and ancilary issues. Stupid high exhaust temps and as a production based car very fragile gearboxes. I have raced against no end of them in Australian Sports Sedans and seldom have been beaten by them. And my car raced [with a Chev] on about 10% of the budget. And far exceeded the reliability of the brap braps.
AI THUMBNAIL. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
The title is completely full of misinformation. The 787b and the rotary was never banned, they just simply chose to not compete after the rules change alinging with the FIA's new F1 like regulations were not in Mazda's philosophy for competing in the WSC. I hope this clears up any confusion and misinformation that the car was somehow banned because it was a god like group C prototype.
@cool3865
7 күн бұрын
it came back in the late 90s when they relaxed on the engine rules for the Kudzu LMP675 cars