I never get bored of listening to theists trying to defend slavery.

@DavidGonzalez_97

3 жыл бұрын

"Bring out the popcorn and drinks!" That's what my mind says anytime a thiest tryies to argue Matt over slavery in the bible.

@mattgerm9820

3 жыл бұрын

Not only is he a theist he’s also black. Think he would know about American history, ya know that hole civil war thing, learned that shit in elementary school. This guy has to be a troll...

@1990maman

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattgerm9820 It absolutely blows my mind that black people defend the very thing that kept them slaves in the first place. It goes back to show how generationally detrimental slavery was.

@OfficialSeth

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly it's kinda scary hearing Christians defend all of the fucked up shit in their "holy book." Like one time a guy defended slavery in the Bible to me as "It's basically the same as employment today so honestly it's really not that bad." Then I asked him if he would be cool with his employer selling him, his wife and children to another "employer" and that the new employer could do anything that they want to his wife and children and for some reason he had a problem with that.

@CGoldthorpe

3 жыл бұрын

ROFLMAO !

Damn this dude actually conceded with honesty. PROPS. Better than 96% of callers

@applicableapple3991

3 жыл бұрын

Actually it's 96.38204858293628%

@LuminesBreezer--

3 жыл бұрын

Heh. He tried though.

@AlexFlockhart

3 жыл бұрын

@@LuminesBreezer-- Shouldn't you though? I mean he tried but admitted he was wrong. I can respect that.

@canbest7668

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlexFlockhart We should always respect those that take ownership. Not enough of that these days.

@justtheaverageone3840

3 жыл бұрын

yeah admitting that you have to think about something or that you are wrong about something, especially if you have been subjected to that stuff for sometimes even decades, and on a livestream, is really commendable!

Cat owner: "Okay cat, I bought you so you're now my slave and have to do everything I say or get beaten." Cat: "Shut up and clean the poop out of my litter box. I'll be taking a cat nap so don't disturb me."

Lets give credit to Marius, he is by far the most cooperative, agreeable and teachable thiest so far.

@ralfhaggstrom

9 ай бұрын

Nevertheless, he is still not very bright, is he ? ................

This is the first time I've seen one of these videos where the theist actually stops at some point, and says, "you're right, I'm gonna have to think about that." Good for him, he called in determined to hold on to his claim, and left saying he'd learned something new. Doesn't happen very often.

@irrelevant_noob

2 жыл бұрын

Well TBF Matt kinda taught him to do that... at 9:29. :-B

@launabanauna8958

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, Matt had to school Marius about how to bow out gracefully, by actually telling him what he should have said, which was “you’re right, I’m gonna have to think about that,” after he conceded that he was wrong. Marius initially thought it would be a good idea to introduce the practice of cat ownership into the conversation, because I guess he hadn’t humiliated himself enough yet, at that point. So in fact, he was very much like most of the theist callers attempting to defend slavery in the bible.

@pleaseenteraname1103

Жыл бұрын

Usually they’re not very well read Christians.

*Quotes Bible* Christian: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that."

@nocalsteve

3 жыл бұрын

They don't even have to pretend, it doesn't even register.

@richardvinsen2385

3 жыл бұрын

@Austin Martín Hernández What’s the difference?

@roskiart8750

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardvinsen2385 Not all theists are Christian. Muslims, zoroastrians, people with non denominational gods. All theists without the Bible

@ddrse

3 жыл бұрын

Oh boy do I get that alot

@htcmlcrip

3 жыл бұрын

@@roskiart8750 yeah most theists have same way in looking into things... what's the difference between Islam and christianity? Different fairy tale. Point being. No matter the religion, theists usually are willingly ignorant.

The cat analogy is a very bad analogy. Anyone with cats knows that you don't own cats, they own you.

Finally a decent caller who is willing to think about what Matt has to say.

“Is Matt wrong about Exodus 21?” Spoiler alert: no, he’s not.

@kenbee1957

3 жыл бұрын

Dang it, you spoiled the whole video for me!

@nonprogrediestregredi1711

3 жыл бұрын

But, but, but.....uh, context....uh, indentured servitude.....um, there's good stuff though....and people own cats! I rest my case!

@htcmlcrip

3 жыл бұрын

@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 I'd go with "f u therefore I win". Less effort same result

@pollypockets508

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@Andrew_Sword

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no

Anyone asking "why can you own cats?" clearly hasn't had cats. You don't own your cat, your cat owns you :P

@petermirtitsch1235

3 жыл бұрын

@@kentonbaird1723 that sort of service is covered in another debate.. Lol

@ronsprouse7856

3 жыл бұрын

I recently lost a cat who lived with me for 18 years. I never asked it to do a single task. When it got cancer and died I was devastated. It was much more rewarding living with a cat than when my sister-in-law lived with me 😉.

@natureboihikes7827

3 жыл бұрын

As a good friend wisely said (yes, I have two cats at home), we pay the Bill's and they think they own the place.

@92brunod

3 жыл бұрын

Did you buy it? Do you stop it from going if it wants to leave? If both those answers are no, then you may have a case, if not, you're owning it.

@petermirtitsch1235

3 жыл бұрын

@@92brunod you can TRY to stop it leaving...

Theist: tries to defend slavery Matt: so you have chosen...death

@Herandezbrothers

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@JayJay-two

Жыл бұрын

Fight ! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

"Matt, now I want you to try to stay calm." That cracked me up.

Oh boy, here we go again

@Lunesta_XCIII

3 жыл бұрын

Got my popcorn ready

@TrickOrRetreat

3 жыл бұрын

Another round for truth and the future 😎

@gabrieljordan8015

3 жыл бұрын

I thought I heard some boss music in the background.

@Limited_Light

3 жыл бұрын

Marius is on his way to agnosticism now.

@Limited_Light

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the like, Marius.

The slavery endorsement bothers me for another reason. The Hebrews had just gotten out of slavery from Egypt. How unempathetic and hypocritical.

@logikylearguments6852

3 жыл бұрын

I wish Egyptians would give Christians a taste of their own medicine, constantly calling in to their shows to claim the hebrews were simply hired servants. Unfortunately the Egyptians don't seem to have any records of any of this shit ever happening strangely.

@peterriverajr6899

3 жыл бұрын

Because it never happened

@arthurhunt642

3 жыл бұрын

I don't believe the Israelites were ever held as captives in Egypt. Or not in great numbers as the bible states. Never a trace of them in the desert according to all reputable archaeologists including the top Israelis. No mention of this in any writing outside of the bible.

@richdandanell2911

3 жыл бұрын

Yes in the bible story the Hebrews were slaves in Egypt. But in reality there is no evidence that the Hebrews were actually enslaved by Egypt . In fact all evidence leads us to the conclusion it never happened . But of course this doesn't mean the scripture any less disgusting and offensive .

@pollypockets508

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterriverajr6899 Yeah, but someone did write the story, which means the ideas were there.

Gotta say, I’m gladly surprised that this guy conceded. Most callers fight to their last breath.

@donnykees5848

6 ай бұрын

Which shows the damage that brainwashing children does. They never let go no matter what you prove to them.

I love the "you're taking it out of context!" argument from believers when it comes to the bible. Ok, maybe I am, but in what context is it good and holy? Especially when it's quoted with the preceeding and following verses that are equally damning?

@k7450

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely this! There is no context in the world that justifies those verses!

"I didn't so much murder him. He sort of offered himself up to my knife and tacitly agreed to being dead" OMG

@kenbee1957

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@oldbatwit5102

3 жыл бұрын

Then he played the victim card!

@spencergreen9415

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't that assisted suicide? Still ethically questionable at best but still categorically different than murder I would say

Why are people so desperate to argue with Matt about this? A literal reading of the Bible allows for slavery. Just accept that you have to reinterpret the Bible to get the book to match your morals.

@charlesmurvin8707

3 жыл бұрын

Because it's the most obvious and blantant proof that this book was written by men, and there is no God that had anything to do with it.

@debranelson1987

3 жыл бұрын

They must enjoy being berated and made a fool by Matt.

@chimeraobscura256

3 жыл бұрын

@@debranelson1987 In other words, they'd make good slaves.... lol

@CGoldthorpe

3 жыл бұрын

There are four ways to get around conflicts between the bible and reality 1) Deny, 2) say it was "out of context", 3) reinterpret, 4) jettison it ignores that there is no new testament without the old one. " ...not one jot or tiddle..."

@onlyme972

3 жыл бұрын

For most of the past 2 centuries interpretation would get you burnt.

It is far easier to fool someone than to convince them they have indeed been fooled.

Matt: Reads Exodus 21 in its entirety. This guy: you're reading it out of context.

Paulogia’s face is all of us...

@temporaryscars

3 жыл бұрын

It’s awful. I wish I could crop it out.

@mattjohnston2

3 жыл бұрын

@@temporaryscars sounds like a you problem

@dr.raydeangeloharris8887

3 жыл бұрын

Irish Mark Hamill amirite

@JayJay-two

3 жыл бұрын

Paul looks so pissed off Like me

@karegairegi9071

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO I had to come back to this comment after watching Paulogia face expression... Spot on!

Matt's restraint during the first two minutes is nothing short of impressive.

I am learning so much!! Just discovered these guys.

@martinkuliza

Жыл бұрын

wow.. Just discovered........Holy shit Matt has been on the internet for years Oh well at least you're on the right track he's pretty fair about most things and he doesn't fuck around with piss takers. Watching matt is a good way to get to truth and as matt would commonly say don't just take what he says as truth.. THINK ABOUT IT FOR YOURSELF AND FORM YOUR OWN OPINION

Marius is willing to reevaluate his stance. That means he's not really a Christian, because he is willing to think. He's half way to atheism already. Kudos to you Marius. You are a rare, rare soul.

@Herandezbrothers

2 жыл бұрын

There are millions of this sort probably they just haven’t heard the correct argument for them

When my cat starts mowing my lawn and preparing my food and washing my clothes and cleaning my house without being paid then we can talk about her being my slave. Until then I am more of a slave to her, as most cat owners are.

@cy-one

3 жыл бұрын

your profile pic looks like a mirror universe matt. :D

@noway325

3 жыл бұрын

👍

@derwynowen8609

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldnt your cat be meowing the lawn.................

@petermirtitsch1235

3 жыл бұрын

@@derwynowen8609 right you. We've got standards here. Granted, they're not very high, but still...

@thejudgmentalcat

3 жыл бұрын

My profile picture is my cat master. I am her slave and I'm okay with that.

Marius has such a delightful view how slavery was during the bronze age. "It was like share cropping"...pfft 🤦‍♂️

@jimkoss3318

3 жыл бұрын

Share cropping was not good either.

@kathryngeeslin9509

2 жыл бұрын

I knew sharcroppers, and they were hardly better off than slaves, were often treated as slaves and kept in that situation.

Imagine an engineering or math book being so open to interpretation that everyone reading it thought the world is flat and round, that gravity makes things go up and down, etc. We'd never get anywhere

@shovelhead3843

7 ай бұрын

I mean, there are flat earthers and, if I remember correctly, people who think gravity doesn’t exist.

I wish I had Matt’s brain with all his knowledge.....well done sir. 👏🏼👏🏼

Marius jumped to "can you own a cat". I would ask "does anybody really own the cat that they feed and let stay in their house".

@chojin6136

3 жыл бұрын

Considering the fact that they will literally find a new home if they're not happy, no one really owns a cat

@richardvinsen2385

3 жыл бұрын

Plus, in reality, cats are just waiting for their people to die so they can eat their faces. Why do you think they’re always flitting around people’s ankles? They’re trying to trip them and kill them. Duh.

@burntgod7165

3 жыл бұрын

Thing is we don't make cats work, like slaves are forced to work, and if we are cruel to them, we'll be punished. Unlike an owner being cruel to a slave.

@persephonesdad5792

3 жыл бұрын

It’s crazy the number of people who never answer the actual question that is asked.

@petermirtitsch1235

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardvinsen2385 a dog will wait a few days before it gets hungry enough to start nomming away. A cat will trip you and have half your face off before you hit the floor. Don't get me started on when you wake up and see your cat on the pillow beside you, sizing you up...

Credit to the caller for listening, it ended far better than a lot of these encounters!

My grandfather was sent to work in the coal mines at the age of 8. He lived and worked in a company town in Scotland and the longer he worked the more money he owed the company for his food, clothing and lodgings. If he tried to leave he would be arrested and sent to debtor's prison. My great grandfather tried to organize a union and he and his family were deported. You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt. Saint Peter don´t you call me ´cause I can´t go, I owe my soul to the company store.

I always found it funny when I would literally copy and paste certain scriptures (without changing a thing)... And Christians would quickly say, "That's your interpretation!"

@markofsaltburn

2 жыл бұрын

Or “you have to see it in a wider context” or “you need to consider that in the light of the new covenant”.

@michellebrown4903

2 жыл бұрын

I was debating with a Christian and l made several bible quotes. His response to the quotations? " Thou shalt not bare false witness!!!!! "

@pleaseenteraname1103

Жыл бұрын

What, well I mean there’s no evidence the Bible has been changed.

@donnycage

Жыл бұрын

@@pleaseenteraname1103 are you joking? We have a PLETHORA of manuscripts, some older than others, and without QUESTION there have been MANY changes and discrepancies. This isn't even up for debate.

@pleaseenteraname1103

Жыл бұрын

@@donnycage where is your evidence present in your scholarly sources. The only things have changed are the translations, not the original manuscripts they have stayed the same.

If I was Matt, as soon as they brought up this “paying off a debt” caper, I would say explain Exodus 21:7-11 then. “When a Man sells his daughter as a slave, she is not to be freed after six years, as a man would be.” Aside from this being a dramatic reason why no females should buy into this rubbish, as there is a clear bias against women, If a believer says, well that’s because the parents owe money, is there any DECENT person on this planet who would believe that children should be used as collateral for any reason? I just had a crazy woman telling me that slavery and beatings were common in that era. They say their god is flawless, all knowing, and omnipotent. If he really deserved that title, he should not have condoned such barbaric practices, because anyone that intelligent should have known all that was wrong regardless of what era people were living in. They love throwing around the word “omnipotent” without knowing what it really means. It signifies that such a god should be aware of what morality means both back then and how we live today. I hope Matt gets to read this comment about selling a daughter, as he may find it useful to short-circuit their bullshit even quicker.

@markcostello5120

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah and in the same way that GOD "hardened the heart of Pharaoh" (Who knows which one because the bible doesn't say?) Then so too could God soften the hearts of those who would wish to own slaves or they could've been given the knowledge which was apparently already in everyone because "GOD is the arbiter of objective moral values". How do theists get this wrong all the time? What's the mystery?

@rickyd.989

3 жыл бұрын

@@markcostello5120 . Yes, that is to do with what I said about being omnipotent. A definition of that that I read means someone who can LITERALLY do ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING, including the ability to draw a square circle. NOTHING but nothing he can’t do. So for example, when Adam and Eve stuffed up, he could have zapped them, including the devil and started again. Otherwise he could have reprogrammed the bad people he wiped out with the flood. Oh no, they will say he couldn’t do that. Well guess what? Is that not exactly what he is supposed to have done, by reprogramming people to speak different languages when they built their awful god challenging tower? That’s an example of what they say he can do when it suits them, but he cannot do something similar when they want to perpetuate their myth. Of course they will use the “free will” excuse, but if he created or reprogrammed their brains to act decently, they could still be given free will after that. It pains me to write all this, as I feel like a two-year-old, because I’m writing about something that is the greatest load of garbage of all time.

@roqsteady5290

3 жыл бұрын

And who was responsible for setting the agenda of what happened in that era? Under theism it only could be god.

@rickyd.989

3 жыл бұрын

@@roqsteady5290. An omnipotent god, would have foreseen man’s modern day creations, and would have given his son a Ferrari to drive around in.

@roqsteady5290

3 жыл бұрын

@@rickyd.989 Not quite. See John 12:49, "I do not speak of my own Accord." So clearly Jesus drove a Honda Accord... Or am I reading this out of context?

Marius actually sounds like he might be on the fence. Hopefully he keeps questioning.

@roqsteady5290

3 жыл бұрын

He certainly was not as bad as some callers and did recognize that his position was not tenable. That is commendable and a source of hope.

There's such a great, warm feeling of reward once somebody finally comes to correct conclusions through valid arguments and evidence that are being presented. Hopefully it happened to Marius sincerely and began not a process of deconversion, but of a critical thinking - from then, deconversion will come in time :)

Anybody who thinks you can "own" a cat has clearly never lived with a cat. They own YOU!

@joemiller7082

2 жыл бұрын

You can allow them to take your house over.

This was likely the best conversation I have witnessed on the Atheist experience (at least dealing with the issue of slavery). Even though Matt has been through these conversations countless times, he executed calm staitfarward conversation kindly holding the callers feet to the fire. In the end, the caller acknowledged his errors - which might not had happened if a backfire effect had happened. The calm, kind, and patient approach from both the hosts gave room for the caller to not feel threatened by acknowledging his error(s). This may not always be the case with other calls, but it was refreshing to witness this conversation. It gives me hope that good healthy conversations are not only possible, but can happen when both caller and hosts can keep conversation kind and honest. (Note: Matt did say he would offer a retraction to anything he said in error, that can be demonstrated to be actually in error. That is what honesty looks and sounds like!) Thanks Matt and Paul and the caller for this one!!!

Marius forgot to prove that HE knows the proper interpretation of the bible. Religious apologists always forget that part. It's as if they never heard of basic logic.😏

@pcppbadminton

3 жыл бұрын

Even more ironic that Abrahamic texts can only come close to being good and moral after a modern humanist interpretation. Christianity has been riding humanist coat tails for centuries, "reinterpreting" the Bible decades after society has already decided a better way of doing things. It's incredible how much knowledge is in the Bible after you already know what you're looking for.

@EustaBAracer

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't it also great that all 3 big abrahamic religions are viciously anti-woman?

I’m a simple man. I see Exodus 21 in an AXP title and I click. This is gonna be good.

"You have to realize the fact that you are taking it out of context" --Oh really? What's the proper context? "Well it's a pretzel shape. Gimme a minute. It's based on what I would prefer the words to mean."

Great to hear someone who can admit to being wrong. I think we need a lot more of this. Good on you Marius.

"Why is it ok for you to own a cat, but not ok for you to own another person?" The same reason that I think it's ok to eat a pig, but not eat my neighbor.

@azlizzie

3 жыл бұрын

And some vegans will say both arguments are wrong. 😜

@CGoldthorpe

3 жыл бұрын

should vegans abstain from germicides?

@TheKyrix82

3 жыл бұрын

@@azlizzie I've always considered vegans to be vegetarian fundamentalists. Even herbivorous animals in the wild will eat meat.

@Darius-kl3jk

3 жыл бұрын

It depends on the situation whether it's okay or not to eat either...

@beereugenics1592

3 жыл бұрын

Studies have suggest (since vegetarians and vegans see all animals as equallys) that eating free range beef would be more humane. As the machinery used to harvest thier crops kills frogs, snakes, deer, birds, etc and from a calorie aspect one free range cow would cause less death then the food they eat.

Listening to that Christian acknowledge the truth of what the bible says instead of lying or dodging the question almost makes me believe in miracles. Almost.

@nathanmckenzie904

3 жыл бұрын

That only makes it worse when they still defend it

i came here just to see paulogias face 🤣 looking good, keep up the workkkk

I had a cat companion for 18 years! I never owned her! My position was that Queenie was my pet, and Queenie's position was that I was her pet! And neither of us was a slave to the other, NO SIR! I took care of Queenie's needs, and she took care of my needs. She needed food, protection and love. And I needed emotional support and companionship, AND from time to time Queenie would bring me food that she caught, and I always thanked her!

@crystalheart9

Жыл бұрын

👍💞

@robhaskins

2 ай бұрын

Sounds like me and my cat, Richie.

He said he killed the man, but I interpret it as he just bought him a bowl of popcorn...

Actually that was a pretty good call. A religious person that was not condescending and rude, that's so rare.

Its insane to me that its usually African Americans calling in to justify slavery.... Really heartbreaking....

Matt... they litterally fear of you.... "please stay calm"... like you are handling a gun pointed to their head... this is so amazing.... I LOVE YOU MATT. So I'm gonna say "Keep calm, and Exodus 21"

@rammsteinrulz16

2 жыл бұрын

That is going on a t shirt

Cats: "Owned? Who told you that?"

@Rementu

3 жыл бұрын

I don't have a cat but I'm sure that my dog thinks he owns me!

@peddler931

3 жыл бұрын

There is a theory that cats domesticated themselves after humans invented agriculture and had granaries attracting rodents.

@azlizzie

3 жыл бұрын

@@peddler931 fascinating

@CGoldthorpe

3 жыл бұрын

My cat has my neighbors wrapped around her paws as well! She has staff and pays us with entertainment. I suppose she can run away if she wants, or I could stop putting food out for her, so it is a value for value voluntary exchange, and a healthy one for both sides! An animal cannot represent itself in court, but a lawyer can.

@themousethatroared3371

3 жыл бұрын

My cat owned me and trained me very well.

This caller highlighted a very sad state of affairs. After conceding that Matt wasn't wrong regarding Exodus 21 and slavery, the callers instant reaction was that to start defending what The Bible said and tried to justify owning slaves. The flipping of sides was quite interesting. It went from, you're wrong the bible doesn't say that you can have slaves; Matt proves The Bible says that; caller goes to, well you can own cats. I could be wrong but the argument of 'Well you can own cats' sounds a lot like trying to say, well if we can own cats, why can't we own people. I don't believe that this is the callers beliefs and it's more a reflection of how deep the indoctranation goes, that they would instantly start to defend a book, despite seeming to originally disagree with it's interpretation. Sounds a lot like no matter what side of the fence an Atheist is on, a Thiest will do or say what ever to put themselves on the other side of that fence, rather than questioning their own belief system.

In the end, Marius was somewhat reasonable and saw the error in his thinking. He said he would reevaluate his position. That's 100% better than almost all theist callers. Gotta give him credit for that.

You know you've lost all perspective when: -- You go to a comedy club and leave thinking you've heard a great philosopher, -- You go to a magic show and leave thinking that you've seen somebody with supernatural powers, or -- You go to a church and leave thinking an old man created the universe.

@citizen320

3 жыл бұрын

What? You don't think philosophers are funny?!

@nocalsteve

3 жыл бұрын

@@citizen320 You look for philosophers in comedy clubs?

@citizen320

3 жыл бұрын

@@nocalsteve really? It was a joke. Wtf?

@lukewojtanowicz1991

3 жыл бұрын

@@nocalsteve Clearly, you have never read The Works of Zhuangzi Zhou. That guy was hysterical.

@canuckereh9202

3 жыл бұрын

nocalsteve Twain, Carlin, Pryor, Hicks, Chappelle, etc. Comedy has always been the perfect conduit for making people actually think about social issues without the issue coming across as threatening, overly unpalatable or divisive. However, I do agree with your last two points.

Incorrect. One does not simply own a cat. Cats own us. If Earth is flat cats would have already pushed everyone else off the edge.

@nosignal7156

3 жыл бұрын

Also Matt is wrong on evolution. We actually can trace and rate different speeds of changes in all the species from different continents. Highly evolved is the opposite of more static species such as single celled organisms who are largely the same as their ancestors billions of years back.

@roqsteady5290

3 жыл бұрын

@@nosignal7156 "Highly evolved" can carry a context of superior, especially as it is used by theists and other such, that is what Matt & Paul were objecting to. "different speeds of change" is a non sequitur, because species that are changing rapidly are not highly evolved for the niche they occupy otherwise they wouldn't still be evolving rapidly. And single celled organisms don't change much now, because they are already highly evolved to fill their particular niches. So you have it backward if anything.

@nosignal7156

3 жыл бұрын

@@roqsteady5290 There are traps on both sides. The left is trying to politicize and neuter biology because they have a goal of engineering society into equality. The counterargument to your mental gymnastics is that you have no evolution if you have not changed compared to your ancestors at the birth of the planet. If your ancestor happened to be located in a geography that required no evolution of its decedents, then there will not necessarily be any evolution. And it will not mean those early ancestors are highly evolved. They were simply lucky they fit in. The hallmark of evolution is the change, and the pace of the change. Not whether or not you fir in.

@roqsteady5290

3 жыл бұрын

@@nosignal7156 "The left is trying to politicize and neuter biology" What nonsense. Looks like you've got the libertarian bug bad. As to the other argument - there is no life that happened to fit into an environment without evolution - even what you think of a simple organism have highly complicated biochemistry that didn't just happen.

@kelduck8851

3 жыл бұрын

@@nosignal7156 It would depend on your perspective to assess which was more "highly evolved" Let's imagine I have a pool of highly acidic water containing sulphur which single celled organisms happily thrive. Now I place a human into the pool and observe what occurs. After I watch the human die, while the single celled organisms live, the conclusion would be the single celled organisms are more "highly evolved" But that would be an incorrect conclusion, the cells were just better adapted to the environment than a human. Neither is more evolved than the other.

Self deception is one thing, low IQ another. Together they are devastating.

Paul didn't need to say a word with those expressions lol!

@Omerta-33-EE

3 жыл бұрын

I think paul on the inside was LHFAO! 😁 I know i would have been!😂

Also even if you could confirm that the Bible was advocating indentured servitude and not slavery. Is that really the horse you are backing? That is still deplorable. And then somebody else will come along saying no no, it doesn’t mean indentured servitude, you’re reading it wrong, it means something more light and fluffy than that

@christopherianlister5212

3 жыл бұрын

beating indentured servants who die 3 days later is not an improvement on doing it with slaves, it's really semantics...

@ericthemovieguy

3 жыл бұрын

That is a weird flex

@katyungodly

3 жыл бұрын

He mentions this at 15:46

@daviddeida

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO

@denbecr49

3 жыл бұрын

Of course. It's merely an unpaid internship.

What's the scale here? If I can't pay back two chickens and a goat, do I now owe at least seven years of being treated like shit?

@richardvinsen2385

3 жыл бұрын

It depends on the exchange rate.

@cy-one

3 жыл бұрын

Iotanerve, if I loaned you 10 bucks. And you pay me back 9.99 bucks. You're screwed ;) that's the scale. Better hand over your daughter ;)

This was the first video on slavery from AXP that I have seen, where the caller has conceded, that the Bible has a problem with slavery. I think that's very good. It's okay to be wrong and I can't blame him for trying to cling to his position, we all do that to some point, but he was able to see eventually that there is a problem with his position. That's exactly how these conversations should work. Marius was a good caller.

I'm a cat "owner". When she broke her leg, i invested a shitton of money to get that leg fixed. She is well fed, i go to the vet with her every year. I teach my daugters how to thread this cat, how to make her comfortable and how the respect the boundaries of this living thing. In every detail, i treat my cat with more respect and dignity than the bible tells me to treat my daugthers. I'm not gonna sell my cat into sex slavery or throw her in front of a mob, so they can be raped just to protect some dudes i've never met before. I don't stone my cat because she was not obiedient to me. I'am waaaaaaaay better treating my cat, than any rule in this shameful book has ever told me to treat my daughters.

Me: So God tells Abraham to kill his son, what do you make of that? Caller: Yeah but he didn't mean that to be a bad thing, you're misinterpreting it.

@joshuawilliams4308

3 жыл бұрын

It was a test of loyalty

@cy-one

3 жыл бұрын

@Rebecca Leeman Yeah, that's like... I have a black keyboard in front of me. I should really send it into a lab to have the guys run some tests. Cause I'm not sure if it's a keyboard that's black. Could also be a semi-truck in green, you know? Better be safe than sorry. Don't want my keyboardtruck to run out of gas at some point ;)

@Kal-El-38

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshuawilliams4308 so god just punked him and let him kill a Ram instead, because thats something an all knowing and loving God would do. Think about it, if God knows everything and knew he wouldn't do it then what was the point.

@Kal-El-38

3 жыл бұрын

@John Wood exactly my point 👌

@joshuawilliams4308

3 жыл бұрын

@John Wood He gave abraham free will

Top Ten List Top Ten Signs You’re a Fundamentalist Christian 10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours. 9 - You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt. 8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God. 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees! 6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky. 5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old. 4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs - though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.” 3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity. 2 - You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God. 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

@cy-one

3 жыл бұрын

Stealing this.

@iconoclastvii

3 жыл бұрын

Underappreciated post

@kellybults8248

3 жыл бұрын

11 you have a youtube account but dont allow people to respond to your claims(lies).

I enjoyed the "stay Calm" eyeroll @~8:20.

Exodus said you can owe slaves... “5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: 6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.”

It's good to see that Marius actually seemed to be listening to the points that Paul and Matt were making towards the end, and genuinely sounded like he was coming to grips with how genuinely immoral some of this stuff actually is.

Ok. Hat tip to this guy. He came in with an idea. He saw that the idea was wrong. And he let it go. We need more people like this.

Marius started out believing in slavery and was almost owned, but Matt schooled him, gave him a proper education and set him free.

It DOES NOT MATTER if "some people interpret it as...". It only matters what the books SAYS. And the book SAYS, if the beaten slave gets up after 1-2 days, there shall be no punishment, FOR THE SLAVE IS HIS PROPERTY.

And yet, even after acknowledging all the points Matt made I’m pretty sure this guy will continue to believe the Bible is the inerrant word of god. That’s the power of cognitive dissonance.

@idc170293

3 жыл бұрын

Don't know, maybe not. As an AXP binge watcher I tell you it is PREEETY rare to hear a theist actually concede that they were wrong, that what the book says is very immoral and that they got something to think about out of the conversation. I won't go as far as to say that the caller is an atheist in the makings, but he did sound to me like someone willing to look deeper into their beliefs beyond the empty excuses he's been taught. If that's the case, then I say mission accomplished and let us hope for the best. Cheers

@wilmagerrits9745

3 жыл бұрын

Its mindfuck, the caller is actually a really scared person who's system is completely fucked up with nonsense, If he find out its only crap he don't know who he is anymore..

@kelseykjarsgaard5774

3 жыл бұрын

Same for people that trust the goverment

@TheTruthKiwi

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking Zadoz. One can only hope that we are wrong.

How do you help a Christian to lose weight? You just ask him about Exodus 21, and he immediately starts tap dancing.

@KznnyL

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha!

@cloutfisher7714

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a good one

As usual ! Word games !!!

"well I don't think there's anything wrong with owning a pencil" 11:40 I'm laughing so hard omg

"I don't think there's anything wrong with owning a pencil", therefore, slavery must be fine. 🤣

"I've heard you argue your point several times" - proceeds to repeat the same objections like he's never heard Matt talk about it before

It's quite scary what these people consider ok to do

40 seconds in and you’re already face palming. Me too!

"Sorry Paul, we're going to slavery right away." - "Sounds great!" That, for some reason, really had me laugh :D

The Super Secret Inner Sanctum of Atheists should make Matt a saint for his patience.

@Ignirium

3 жыл бұрын

Cabbages can't talk! Don't you talk back to me, i know you can't talk.

Poor caller, I almost feel bad for him. Matt spanked him hard, totally got schooled. 😂 He deserves credit for admitting he was wrong though. He’s a bigger man than most callers.

0:10 Paul: “Sounds great”....Paul’s face: “FML” 😂

Paulogia's facial expression is great throughout this exchange 🤣

@jamestracey2006

2 жыл бұрын

They are indeed lol - Paulogia is clearly thinking the exact same thoughts that every other logical person watching this vid is thinking lol! I do laugh at and really pity callers like Marius here - they always try so hard to defend something that they deep-down know is wrong and indefensible. They know that if they concede that they are wrong then they will have to question their whole lives, and they will see that they have followed nonsense

You can not own a cat. A cat owns you. But on a serious note, a good point to make this caller understand the difference between owning a human slave and owning a cat is: My cat is free to leave, whenever she wants. She has a catdoor and can walk in and out 24/7 and she does. I give her food, but she can hunt her own food and she does. I do not give her commands and i surley would not beat her to death if she does not follow my orders. If she leaves today and never comes back then thats the way it is. She is not a slave.

@sarahhardy8649

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. Most of the cats I have shared my life with, have actually managed to train me quite well. I know when they are demanding comfort, or food. They told me where they wanted to sleep and in some cases, when they permitted me to sleep.

@freedomlover0352

3 жыл бұрын

well said bro

@Ula-Ka

3 жыл бұрын

What about other cats, who are never allowed to leave, or only go out on a leash?

@schnubbel76

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ula-Ka Simple. If you cant let your cat go out for whatever reason, you should not own one. Cats living inside is unnatural.

@Ula-Ka

3 жыл бұрын

@@schnubbel76 What if you own a cat and there is a new leash law for cats because they are an invasive species dangerous to wildlife?

Caller: "I say 'A'." Matt: "'B' is correct." Caller: "Ok, so that may be true, but ... 'C' ..." Matt: "'D' is correct." Caller: "O ... K, so ... if 'E' is correct." Matt: "''F' is correct." Caller: "Oh ... Kay, but if G is correct ... ." Matt: "H is actually correct." Caller: "OK, but if 'I' is correct." Matt: "It's 'J' that is really correct." Caller: "I see where you're going, but what if 'K' is the correct answer?" Matt: "No, 'L' is correct." Caller: "Shit! What about cats?"

I would like to hear more about their justification on why they can own animals and not humans etc. Because chattel slavery of animals, by definition, exists

My cat comes and goes as it pleases. I open the door to let him out and to let him in. I feed him. I take him to the vet when he's sick. I never force the cat to return home, it can run away any time it wants and there's nothing I can do about it. The cat sleeps wherever it wants. So who owns who? Do I OWN the cat or does the cat OWN me? If you're going to compare biblical slavery with owning a pet then the Bible must say, "feed, house, and care for your slaves and let them come and go as they wish. I don't think I'd mind being a slave under those circumstances.

@wunnell

3 жыл бұрын

By human law, you own the cat. I'm fairly sure that cats have no regard for human law.

@richardvinsen2385

3 жыл бұрын

Cats that roam outside are responsible for killing millions upon millions of birds.

@cy-one

3 жыл бұрын

@@wunnell So, under human law... what happens to a slave that tries to run from his master? And what happens to a cat that tries to run from his master? Again, considering human law.

Great to see Paulogia here! I do note that when he is concentrating he looks like he is about to chew glass. LOL. Probably a good thing there is a phone line between him and the idiots you inflict on him. BTW, we do not own cats, they own us.

@craigmccullough7333

3 жыл бұрын

Randolph Phillips - I agree, especially the bit about cats!

@BlackEpyon

3 жыл бұрын

Probably why he draws cartoons :P

'I don't think there is anything wrong with owning a pencil'...... 11.35... nearly knocked my cup of tea over.

Exodus 21 is like the universal curveball for all theists. Not a single one of them has been able to justify slavery morally.

".. I.. am aware.. that some versions of the bible.." Wow, sleazy much?

@viniciuslucke6757

3 жыл бұрын

bUt SoMe PeOpLe WoUlD aRgUe

Proverbs 22:7 "The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the slave of the lender."

"Well.. there's also good things in the bible." When losing the argument. Every time!Classic! 😂

@peteraschaffenburg1

2 жыл бұрын

Also classic; 5 seconds in and already talking about context ;-)

You don't own a cat, your cat owns you 😂

Matt is right - he didn’t say “highly evolved”, the caller, Seth, said “what’s wrong with owning a highly evolved animal.”

I clean up my cats 💩 and i feed her when she meows at me. So if anything, my cat owns me 🤔😕

@ultramagnus8240

3 жыл бұрын

@Cuong T Kong Auto-correct changed the word from CAT to CAR. When I realized, I corrected it 😽

I can't believe that people in the free world still believe it is alright to own another person.

Exodus 21: "... since the slave is his property." Caller: "Indentured servitude"

"It was like share cropping" Which was basically slavery refusing to die

Nothing is sure to piss someone off, faster than condescendingly telling them "now try not to get mad at me."

@kathryngeeslin9509

3 жыл бұрын

Or "calm down" when you are calm but in total disagreement. Or "you just don't understand" it the way it "should" be understood.

The fact this video was accompanied with a ad at the start for a website to buy the bible is hilarious.

Best respectful assertive yet polite truth. Keep up the good work. An agnostic.