Q. - Does the Bible say X? A. - Yes. Q. - Is X always immoral? A. - Yes. Q. - So we can conclude that the Bible includes immoral content? A. - No.

@russellgettons3333

3 жыл бұрын

Todd Turner are you are immoral- yes

@Robeebert

3 жыл бұрын

@@russellgettons3333 prove that @Todd Turner is immoral.

@russellgettons3333

3 жыл бұрын

Sam Bacon get real believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved

@Gwaithmir

3 жыл бұрын

@@russellgettons3333 First, prove that the Lord Jesus Christ exists, then we'll consider it.

@russellgettons3333

3 жыл бұрын

Gwaithmir don’t fool around if you want to consider something consider the Lord Jesus Christ for eternal life just remember he has paid for all of the sins of the world including yours let Jesus pay for your sins don’t you Pay for them

The moment someone says to Matt “you’re wrong about slavery in the bible”, I’m like pause, go get my popcorn and then let the massacre begin.

Honestly, the callers have helped me lose my belief in a god more than Matt has. Hearing people call in and frantically try to justify their beliefs in such profoundly horrible ways have shined a light on my own logical inconsistencies.

Y’all know who Rick reminds me of?Every slave master that justified slavery

@yoma9021

3 жыл бұрын

Some dude even said it is no big deal because God regulates slavery, he literally banished murder, stealing, working in sabbath, but he needs to regulate slavery lol

@joshuaspector8182

3 жыл бұрын

Who many of used the Bible to defend

“I’m sorry that logic doesn’t work in your favor.” I love that.

@davidzegarra7929

2 жыл бұрын

Butt matt didnt really let him make a case at all. This time he was just a bully.

@thakraken6995

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidzegarra7929 But he did. The times he interrupted what's the correct errors that were being made. You do not get to make 20 errors before I get to correct any of them

Challenging Matt on the topic of biblical slavery is willingly running into an open blade.

@georgekosho548

3 жыл бұрын

I just pray it is not a to sided sword he may hurts himself. Jesus said whoever falls on Him will be broken but whoever Jesus falls on will be dashed to powder. Matt is just another Humpty Dumpty. It ok Jesus can put him together again. Jesus said it is best not to live by the sword... you may hurt yourself. Just a thought

@Elhao

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgekosho548 And Albus Dumblesore said that to the well-organized mind death is but the next great adventure. Any more fictional and unrelated quotes from possibly fictional characters? Even assuming Jesus existed, which I am absolutely not convinced of, I am nearly certain he didn't say a single word that the bible ascribes to him as the closest sources were written years, if not generations after his death. Paul, who is by far the closest one never encountered (the living) Jesus so everything from him is second hand at best and it just gets worse from there.

@MoonShadeStuff

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgekosho548 Glad you accept that the bible is just thoughts put together and nothing more. People projected inspirational stories and quotes of the time to a guy named Jesus decades after he supposedly died, if he ever existed. Just a fact.

@georgekosho548

3 жыл бұрын

@@Elhao maybe you should read more of the writing of Peter. He was 100% trained by Jesus. Or maybe you should read Jude or James these were Jesus's brothers. Or maybe look at the most writings of Paul they are dated before AD 68 that's less than 40 years. Or even better maybe you should read the non- disciple Josephus, Jesus is contemporary writer, Journalist and historian. Jesus seems to be more real than what you can think. These are hands on testimonies. Look them up.

@georgekosho548

3 жыл бұрын

@@MoonShadeStuff whose fact is this? Yours! I have had many many verifiable miracles happend in my life. I don't an eyewitness proof. My witness is true. It is called experiencing God. I know Him. Maybe you should go and lay hands on sick folks and pray in Jesus name. If he doesn't show up then you have something to say then. I have done exactly that. I have seen it happen. Just try it. You maybe surprised. Miracles are for today. Do it and don't question it. HE WILL NO LONGER BE ANOTHER IMAGENARY PERSONALITY. experience Him. Realy try Him. I believe you will change your mind

I clapped when Matt said "I make no judgment on god because there is no god for me to judge" this is a quote of the future...

@yoma9021

3 жыл бұрын

Believers: Pastor, I don't feel so good...

@ccookRomans

3 жыл бұрын

Quick question: Is slavery objective or subjectively wrong???

@just4931

2 жыл бұрын

@@ccookRomans not objectively wrong , but we both agree it's "wrong" so it doesn't really matter

It’s so easy - I remember, as a teen Christian, reading bible verses and internally cringing at the message, and then trying to figure out what was wrong with me that I felt uncomfortable about them. It’s like an abusive relationship. Recognizing it is the hardest part.

@yoursicksecret

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you got out of that abusive relationship and actually recognized that you're more moral than this twisted religion

@sledgecorp

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. Same here.

@ccookRomans

3 жыл бұрын

Is slavery objective or subjectively wrong???

@MehYam2112

3 жыл бұрын

@@ccookRomans did you intend to reply to this comment?

@ccookRomans

3 жыл бұрын

@@MehYam2112 Yes. It's a question that I have

Let me save you 15 minutes: Atheist: Do you agree that 1+1 = 2? Theist: Yes! Atheist: Do you agree that the bible says that 1+1=3 and that it's wrong? Theist: Yes! Atheist: So isn't the bible wrong? Theist: No! Atheist: Why? Theist: Because its not wrong to be wrong when there is something less wrong than something to be correct about. Atheist: Goodbye!

@carlhobson4083

3 жыл бұрын

Let me save you ten thousand life Times, doctors say sodomy is bad for you, and don't do it, but Peter m is a true believer and to hell with christ and doctors. Peter the great, god hating at its finest.

@Robeebert

3 жыл бұрын

@@carlhobson4083 are you a living lobotomite?

@mahamedaden7237

3 жыл бұрын

In this case Atheist won

@raceryod

3 жыл бұрын

Just to be devils advocate. 1+1=3 if If It’s 1 man &1 woman who reproduce, hell 1+1 can equal 4,5,6 possibly.

@PeterMasalski93

3 жыл бұрын

@@raceryod Go take your medicine numbnuts!

I can't believe this question is still going on. It's been clarified well before now. The Bible DOES support slavery. No one should attempt to refute that, especially based on interpretation.

The bible fully supports slavery. That is demonstrable and true. The god of the bible supports slavery, and is not worthy of worship or praise. Many theists have tried to argue this and have all failed miserably.

@KrustyKlown

3 жыл бұрын

to me, I ONLY see an immoral book, and a book is NOT a God.... it is just a book.

@campfireaddict6417

3 жыл бұрын

@William Tarry Except for one thing. It isn't demonstrable. Neither is Noah's flood, or walking on water, or sticks turning into snakes.

@DanielHorton-oz6rp

3 жыл бұрын

No it's not. The God of this world is Satan. Satan is the father of all lies. That lie is that there is no God.

@ProfessorBrandt

3 жыл бұрын

Archangel Uriel let me get this straight... god is satan, and satan lies and says there is no god? So god says there is no god...? What?

@DanielHorton-oz6rp

3 жыл бұрын

@@ProfessorBrandt the God of this Earth is Satan.

The Ten Commandments were directed at the Isrealites as well. I guess they don't apply to anyone else either.

@cascorick8253

3 жыл бұрын

you do know that there 613 Commandments, right?

@grimmstryke9627

3 жыл бұрын

@David Allred that was worth a 'lol' :)

@AngryBoozer

3 жыл бұрын

puckerings They really don’t, actually. After all, the first thing Moses did when he came down the mountain with the commandment tablets was to order the slaughter of 500 innocent people...

@Jambuc829

3 жыл бұрын

Good point 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@DanielHorton-oz6rp

3 жыл бұрын

Sure they do. 2nd Thessalonians 2 describes what happens when the police are removed. The man of sin the lawless ones are revealed. They are the ones who will be destroyed. They're called the children of destruction or The offspring of the destruction. So when cops go and atheists (who are anarchists) begin looting killing and doing anything they care too because they don't follow the ten commandments they will die. The ten commandments constantly plays a very important role because we will all be brought back to life into incorruptible bodies that cannot die and then you will be judged by the Catholic saints. And there's a nice warm fire waiting for those who they deem evil or unfit for freedom. Where the spirit of the Lord is there is freedom.

...wow. Just wow. He can’t say the Bible is wrong. Can’t. It’s more than dishonesty, it’s cognitive dissonance. He literally can’t allow himself to get there. Used to find it hilarious, now I find it kinda scary.

@mephistophelesthesilentchi3446

3 жыл бұрын

You can almost see their mind buckling under the strain of harbouring contradictory beliefs and trying to rationalise them. Indoctrination is a scary thing.

@noel090909

3 жыл бұрын

I can almost hear the internal battle that must be going on for them, because it was for me towards the end of my time as a Christian. This is how I would’ve sounded, because I knew the Bible said something HORRIFIC that conflicts with what I know to be morally correct. When presented head on with this, I think I would’ve (and I’m only 3 mins in when I write this, so it may need a revision) tried to make it seem like there’s no way Jesus told ME to do that. No way, that’s impossible! I’m not worshipping a guy like THAT! I dunno, it feels familiar to me. A similar type of mental block that I could’ve easily hit in a conversation like this. But I’ll finish the video and see if I change my mind. Edit: So after watching the whole thing, I can’t say this was like looking at my past self. Parts were familiar, but not all of it.

@CronoXpono

3 жыл бұрын

@@noel090909 I agree with you both, it's terrifying that a) you may be wrong, b) You may KNOW you don't agree with "god" and c) This may lead you to questioning other things. O_O

@Darius-kl3jk

3 жыл бұрын

This shit is no joke, I VIVIDLY remember me doing this as a Christian whenever I had an uncomfortable discussion about my religion... Same with my family, it's genuinely saddening to see their minds do this...

@KrustyKlown

3 жыл бұрын

Rick thinks the better of several immoral things, is moral ?? WTF??

Nothing in the Bible was written to apply to people today, so Rick is saying we shouldn’t pay any attention to anything in the Bible. Thank you Rick.

I love how Atheist are blunt to religious people. It's great. I used to be Southern Baptist, but I saw the light at 18. I'm happy being pagan. Great job guys.

@dreemlite5950

7 ай бұрын

skal brother/sister

@RideAcrossTheRiver

3 ай бұрын

Atheism isn't paganism. Nice try

Hector looks like he's trying to find a movie on Netflix.

@ohwow7423

3 жыл бұрын

STOP lmao 😭

@TheNewcastleKnight

3 жыл бұрын

What movie you reckon ?? Hahahaha

@OfficialSeth

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheNewcastleKnight Probably garbage like God's Not Dead.

@christaylor6674

3 жыл бұрын

Hector is watching Trolls the movie.

@xavierrandall

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

Ancient Romans had slaves so why is it so surprising that Christians wanted slaves too? It was basic marketing: "Join our Religion and keep your slaves too(limited time only)"

@ccookRomans

3 жыл бұрын

For the first 300 years, Christians didn't have slaves. They believed that all were equal in Christ and died for what they believed in

@crawdadds

3 жыл бұрын

@@ccookRomans Explain this Bible verse of Apostle Paul instructing how slaves should obey their master: "Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, 'Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ' ”

@ccookRomans

3 жыл бұрын

@@crawdadds Hired servants yeah. I thought you were referring to the bondservants

@crawdadds

3 жыл бұрын

​@@ccookRomans Honest question: can you show me the verse that shows the servants are paid a respectable amount?

@ccookRomans

3 жыл бұрын

@@crawdadds Deuteronomy 24:14-15 King James Version 14 Thou shalt not oppress an hired servant that is poor and needy, whether he be of thy brethren, or of thy strangers that are in thy land within thy gates: 15 At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it; for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the Lord, and it be sin unto thee. Deuteronomy 15:12-15 King James Version 12 And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. 13 And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: 14👉 Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the Lord thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.👈 15 And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the Lord thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing to day

I find it funny that he points out that Matt has scored easy points in regards to slavery in the Bible oh, and then he just repeats the same silly arguments that everyone else has... And the irony is lost on him

@lauda6945

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, lesser of two evils is literally just the argument of: well they were gonna own slaves no matter what cause of the times so god did the best thing he could by making rules about how to own slaves so they couldn't just be killed for example. People are so dense 😂 - ms lauda

@AlDunbar

3 жыл бұрын

@@lauda6945 couldn't they have similarly said homosexuality is very bad, but if you do that, please use condoms!

Defending slavery is ALWAYS a losing argument! The bible clearly shows rules for slave masters and slaves and shows them how to act. It never once says slavery is wrong. Not once!

@kinglyzard

3 жыл бұрын

Defending slavery is always a losing argument! Yeah, esp if argued against Matt!!

Picking the lesser of two evils is still picking an evil action.

@johnmcclure40

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree with this on a basic level. Yes, you may technically be picking an evil action, but if the choice comes down to A: punch a misguided but innocent person in the face or B: allow a nuclear explosion to occur in the heart of a populated city, it is not evil to choose A. That said, this dichotomy doesn't apply in this situation. If we're talking about a supposedly powerful god, then instead of writing some rules which slightly limited slavery he could, off the top of my head, Order slavery to be abolished. reveal himself to more than one tiny group of people and tell the whole world (or even just a large part of it) that slavery is evil. Magically pick up all of the slaves and transport them to an uninhabited continent he made specifically for this purpose. Create a spell where any time someone tries to enslave another person, the ropes will untie, the brands will heal, the chains will fall off, and the doors holding them will unlock.

@NYCFenrir

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnmcclure40 I wouldn't consider punching an innocent person to stop a nuclear explosion evil. Can't isolate an action out of context. You are correct in that there are definitely more than two options. In my opinion it's similar to the trolley problem with an extra track. i.e. - There's 3 tracks with people trapped on it: 1 track has no people, 1 track has 1 person, 1 track has 5 people. In my opinion the person is picking to kill one person and saying it's morally good because they didn't kill the 5 people, while ignoring that no one had to die.

@johnmcclure40

3 жыл бұрын

@@NYCFenrir Wouldn't punching an innocent person who had done nothing to deserve it be evil? Sure, it's nowhere near the level of evil as the nuke, but that's the whole point. You pick the lesser of two evils in that scenario. Granted, it's not usually quite so clear a distinction, but it's still the lesser. To put this another way, it's not so much that one picks the lesser of two evils, as one rejects the greater of two evils.

@NYCFenrir

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnmcclure40 Well it is a moral problem. To me it's perfectly moral to kill an innocent person to save 5 innocent people. I always include the why in my considerations. Killing an innocent person is not a moral or immoral action to me by itself.

@johnmcclure40

3 жыл бұрын

@@NYCFenrir So what would you consider to be an instance of choosing the lesser of two evils?

Here we go again...

@MikeDixieWrecked

3 жыл бұрын

LOL.

@britishsocialist7927

3 жыл бұрын

The never ending rollercoaster of biblical slavery

@asherikamichaela8425

3 жыл бұрын

Right? 😅 I kinda feel bad for Matt, having to go over biblical slavery with these guys (what must seem like to him) every five minutes. And the talking points are always the same... 😂🤣

@pdute1

3 жыл бұрын

OR, as Jackie Gleason used to say: "AND - Away we Go!"

@donneuner2883

3 жыл бұрын

Hilarious 🤣

Rick is authoritarian, every thing that he thinks is in the place of authority cannot do or be wrong. Might makes right. In his case its his god.

@user-gb7ji6xy5d

3 жыл бұрын

The entirety of Christianity's basically "God has the biggest stick in the universe so his side is the right side, you either obey him or you burn." Makes perfect sense when you consider that before he usurped the "only and true god" status, Yahweh was a minor Canaanite war god. It's consummately unwise to base a morality system around a deity whose authority lies in genociding, enslaving, and rapping the opposition, but here we are.

I love this call. To see what else theists can come up with to defend that abhorrent passage of their favourite book is hilarious.

@JohnSmith-fz1ih

3 жыл бұрын

It would be hilarious, if these weren't people within our society that we need to get along with. People that vote.

The more Rick loses the argument the faster he talks -- he seems to think the more sounds that come out of his mouth the better his chances of saying something rational.

@anthonybariek997

Жыл бұрын

Clearly he went the the Ben Shapiro School of Debating (or Master-Debating 😂)

"the lesser of two evils". You know what would be the lesser of both of those evils that is actually NOT evil at all? PROHIBITING slavery in its entirety and all forms. I don't care what is the "lesser of two evils", when you have a "god" that will only pick evil and never choose the good option when it is available, that god is evil.

Slavery + Matt= i grab popcorn

@johnthijm5113

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget the beer on your way back.

I like how this guy was afraid Matt would make the point "therefore god is immoral" while failing to realize Matt doesn't believe in god.

The moment Christians realize that the Bible is not devine they get very uncomfortable and start turning into pretzels.

@rehac001

3 жыл бұрын

This caller is has done mental gymnastics so much that they have transcended pretzels and gone into a Gordian Knot the size of Jupiter.

@ronhansen8471

3 жыл бұрын

I consider myself as a Christian and not just in name. There is nothing that would convince me the bible is not divinely inspired. I have been over just about every argument there is and non were convincing,

@charanko2971

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronhansen8471 You must love pretzels.

@charanko2971

3 жыл бұрын

@Gramsci279 Hegemony I have no idea.

@ccookRomans

3 жыл бұрын

Is slavery objective or subjectively wrong???

I said that in another video, please keep Hector in the show. I love how good his responses are.

Hector's position during the discussion was almost perfect... he just missed a good bowl of popcorn.

So if the laws of the OT were for the ancient isrealites, then they have no relevance to modern people. That means the Ten Commandments, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, all those books can be thrown to the side as old prescrips for an old tribe.

@JohnSmith-fz1ih

3 жыл бұрын

Insert something about context here, which means I get to keep the bits of the bible I like, throw out the bits I find immoral, all while claiming I get my morality from the bible.

@AC-gb7do

3 жыл бұрын

TBH, the Bible is a choose your own beliefs kind of book.

@JohnSmith-fz1ih

3 жыл бұрын

@@AC-gb7do Just like a choose-your-adventure book, only it's choose-which-bits-you-believe. The thing that gets me is people pick and choose which parts they think are literal and which are metaphor (or no longer applicable), while at the same time asserting that the bible itself is the objective standard. Clearly it's not. Clearly they're using some standard other than "because the bible says so" when they choose to believe one passage is literal and another is metaphor. Clearly the fact that there are thousands of distinct sects of Christianity, each believing different things, says that this isn't an objective standard. I can't think of any claim that is more obviously wrong, yet believed by so many to be true.

@heathermorrison1674

2 жыл бұрын

It was wrong then, too. Jesus told slaves to obey their masters, not the masters free their slaves. If Jesus even HAD directly said that masters should free all the slaves, saying the biblical god said "Oops, that was bad. I made a mistake." does not mean that it wasn't always immoral. The god of the Bible is immoral. His laws encouraged immoral acts. The Bible is not a moral book.

Remember this NO ONE WANTS TO BE THE SLAVE. No matter what the defense you hear about slavery being right or wrong.

I'm enjoying the faces that "cohost Fred Armisen" makes while Matt shreds the caller.

9:06 why tf do i find that so damn funny? Literally laughed myself into tears over Matt's reaction

@CronoXpono

3 жыл бұрын

Because he knows he’s running low on genuine intention and fair reasoning. The guy knew, KNEW, he was going off the rails to avoid being locked in a logical argument. 😂 I laughed too!

Keep up this essential work please Matt and the other excellent people at the ACA.

Religion: “Allows the many do what only psychopaths would do on their own!” Christopher Hitchens

@amandacogger3075

3 жыл бұрын

Shame he's not still with us!

One of these days, I'm looking forward to Matt's co-hosts getting a chance to speak to callers. It's such a rare occurrence.

Why is this so hard for faithheads? When facing cognitive dissonance, and you simultaneously believe the Bible is moral and slavery is immoral, correct one of those beliefs. Correct either one, and you'll be fine.

@giodc8599

3 жыл бұрын

But if they admitted that some parts of the bible are immoral then the word of god would not be infallible. That would mean god is not perfect or can change his mind. Even better, it could mean that simply people have better morality than a god. So again, EVEN IF such god existed, why the fuck would you worship such an asshole?

@maxxam3590

3 жыл бұрын

@RoyT Logan For sure, it's a great word. I didn't come up with it, I think it was BionicDance.

@maxxam3590

3 жыл бұрын

@@sugartoothYT It's one of the two options they have, though.

@maxxam3590

3 жыл бұрын

@@giodc8599 Well, they can always choose to correct their belief that slavery is inmoral. In fact, many have.

@JohnSmith-fz1ih

3 жыл бұрын

@@sugartoothYT *I don't think it's good to switch to thinking that slavery is moral for the sake of consistancy.* I actually think it would be good. At least that way they would be honestly facing the problem and choosing one of the two available positions, instead of pretending there's a third position where the bible is perfectly moral and slavery is not. In choosing, they would have to own it. The honesty would also help the average, uninformed Christian. If they see other, more knowledgeable, Christians running around saying human slavery is moral because the bible says so, it may cause them to question their belief that God is a perfectly moral being.

Nice one Matt for shutting this dope up.

Matt’s parting words before he hung up was epic and summarizes up the whole video.

“You have abandoned reason”. I used to think that, for a person to be a faithful adherent of a religion, they had to abandon reason. These days, I realise that all that is necessary is to avoid thinking about the difficult stuff. And it also helps if one is mostly ignorant of what one’s religion actually involves.

@jwmmitch

Жыл бұрын

Of course. If you don't think critically about it, and just accept what your church tells you it means, then it's easy to believe. "My pastor said the Bible doesn't condone slavery so it doesn't"... It reminds me of the song "🎶 you don't know what love is, you just do what your told 🎵" ☝🏻☝🏻 and that's what religion is

Why do people continue to defend these things. It’s a waste of time.

@ralfhaggstrom9862

3 жыл бұрын

Power and MONEY ................

This was one of the best

It's f'n hilarious how theists tap dance around the slavery thing. Each time they reveal the hypocrisy of their perfect book and their perfect loving God.

Theist callers are brainwashed. It's futile!

@c.guydubois8270

3 жыл бұрын

I once was a theist (sadness), l was wrong and not for the first or last time. Admitting error should be approached similarly to, I've been training all my life in the art of falling down without harm....

@conors4430

3 жыл бұрын

Sharon Smith g he also doesn’t seem to realise that, his exact same thought process also allows other denominations that he disagrees with to be just as justified in their interpretation as he is because you can make the book say anything, nothing and everything in between. The exact same mental leap he just made is the exact same mental leap that flew jumbo jets into the world trade centre. But he would disagree with that even though those hijackers would have used the exact same logic as him

Lol... Hector looks like he's continuously surprised at the guy's dishonesty 😮😦😯

Yous guys are doing a great job for Jahovah Keep up the good work

11 minutes- well said Hector

8:38 Here are the mentioned the chapters which allow slavery: Defenders of this Bible-God" constantly claim, that BLIND OBEDIENCE is just fine, because their "God" is above question, and must never be subjected to scrutiny!

Pure, unadulterated, organic, nonpolyunsaturated cognitive dissonance. I cannot imagine the kind of mental energy and gymnastics it takes to hold the line on something so amazingly false. Matt just has these idiots for light snacks.

At that has been our re-enactment of the Patrick Star Fish meme. Thanks for coming everyone.

On the sliding scale of confusion, Rick just flew clean off it.

If the God of the Bible had trouble outlawing slavery, why did that God have no trouble outlawing pork or shellfish consumption?

@chrissonofpear1384

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, priorities, priorities...

@TimDavis77

3 жыл бұрын

chris sonofpear1 gotta ban those mixed fabrics. Slavery, though? That’s a tricky one for a tri-Omni deity.

@myles5158

2 жыл бұрын

@@TimDavis77 😂

I think it's weird that the caller was trying to make a "situational" argument for a rule set that was clearly general. The bible wasn't saying "Slavery is evil unless....... (I can't even think of something but we'll say 'X') The bible was saying "Slavery is totally cool unless...." This is clearly setting Slavery up as the "norm with some exceptions", NOT the "exception to the norm" as the caller started arguing.

Everytime Matt says the word "massage" my shoulders tense up.

Wouldn't it be funny if a bunch of theists had come together and decided to just occasionally troll Matt about slavery because they love that there's a button of his they can consistently push.

@ralfhaggstrom9862

3 жыл бұрын

You don`t say ? ..............

@MikeDixieWrecked

3 жыл бұрын

They're not trolling.

@j0kerclash289

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, if they want to defend slavery, it only really suits to dissuade viewers away from the religion they represent.

Come one, come all And witness the amazing human pretzel!

How many times have theists argued biblical slavery with Matt? There are so many videos on this subject.

The mental gymnastics were ridiculous

Lol I see "Bible" and "Slavery" in the title and sit back with some snacks because I know I'm in for a good ol' fashioned Dillahunty showdown. Even Matt's co-host knows what's coming, he just sits there and watches the fireworks.

His next point before he got kicked off was almost certainly going to be "Well everyone practiced slavery back then, and other non biblical cultures didn't have any rules for how they treat slaves!" which is wrong on so damn many fronts. For one, it's untrue that it took the bible to treat slaves as not just disposable property. People take awhile to reach adulthood, disposing of them willy-nilly would be stupid. For two, if god was real and wanted to make slavery morally wrong, he could have commanded it be illegal and immoral.

@AlDunbar

3 жыл бұрын

Not everyone practiced slavery back then. Sure the people who owned slaves did. But not the slaves. How much practice does one need to just do what you are told on pain of death?

Yesterday, I allowed a stranger to walk into my house and kill my kids. I’m very much against murder. I think murder is immoral and disgusting! I am against it. I just allowed him to do it, but what I allow him to do has nothing to do with me and my position... clearly... apparently...

Wow! Matt, your patience is amazing! BTW - Is this Canadian Catholic with a phony (surprise!) name?

The cognitive dissidence is strong with this one

The one subject that makes theists lose sleep lol 😂

I've never heard a successful argument by Christians on the slavery issue! Can't be defeated no matter how they tap dance! They always get eviscerated by Matt..LOL

Some people simply call to hear themselves, no matter what stupidity they’re saying.

@johnthijm5113

3 жыл бұрын

Take this in consideration. All callers are screened. Imagine the ones that made it are this stupid then imagine the ones that didn’t make it through the screentest. How come god is sending his stupidest followers to defend his case against atheist Matt. Can’t he do it on his own?

This was painful and fun to listen to at the same time somehow. Like walking through endless mud...

Jesus Christ Matt. I'm with you, listening for over a year, like your no nonsense approach. I'm an Atheist, and agree with most of your conclusions/positions such as on slavery. But shit, this guy APPEARED to have a more interesting angle of defense than your usual caller, and I'll never get to know it because you wouldn't let him GET IT OUT. This was not one of those moment where you needed to cut the dude off before he ran off on some tangent and his earliest, wrong comments got lost. If you could chill just a bit more, and let us hear more of what some of those wrong concluders have to say. Regardless, thanks for getting this much to me. Without what you do I'd have nothing at all. You still get an A+, not that I need to brown nose you to balance my comment out.

@chrissonofpear1384

3 жыл бұрын

It would probably be something about 'God allows it for a time, as people needed slavery as a economic support' or 'He regulated it as people would not fully do away with it', or something.

@thakraken6995

2 жыл бұрын

The caller was obviously being a dishonest interlocutor from the get-go.

I am in awe of Matt's strength of character in not hunting this idiot down

When I hear an ordinary person exhibiting such an enormous blind spot, I can't help but wonder how big is my own. I am quite unaware of it, by definition, but doubt I can be without one.

@vooveks

3 жыл бұрын

I think blind spots haven’t different sizes.

WTF did I just hear? I want that time back. And from now on, the saying is “the patience of Matt.”

knock knock! who's there? The Bronze age The Bronze age who? The Bronze age, give us our mythology back! Not comedy gold i admit but still amused me for a few minutes hehe.

No no no, it’s totally cool to own slaves bro, you just have to be a certain race!

@vinfishin2582

3 жыл бұрын

Finally someone gets it

The mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance in his reasoning has a striking resemblance to an abused spouse who constantly makes excuses for their abuser. The logic of "I agree what they are doing is demonstrably *_WRONG_* but...." and that *_but_* is followed by a shocking barrage of twisted logic.

If Mental Gymnastics was an Olympic sport, Christian apologists would win all the medals.

I'd be 10,000 times less patient than Matt in dealing with the same non-arguments time after time. It's like Sam Harris said (paraphrasing) - we're just wasting time with these types of arguments. Lumping all religions together as just mythology is in my opinion the only intellectually honest conclusion. The bottom line as Matt has said, is that faith is not a reliable path to truth. I have yet to hear anything from the religious side that even approaches convincing as to why anyone should have faith in their particular religion. I would sincerely like to thank The Atheist Experience for taking a lot of these foolish arguments head on and dispelling them as rationally and calmly as possible, but also just for simply trying to make people think. The antidote to racism is exposure, just as the antidote to blind faith is thoughtful examination. Edit: typo

if I have to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.

@ccookRomans

3 жыл бұрын

@Project Kaizo Trap Is slavery objective or subjectively wrong???

@minutemansam1214

3 жыл бұрын

@@ccookRomans That question isn't relevant. What is relevant is, should we, as a society, permit one person to own another as property? And if you think that it is okay to own another as property would you be okay with someone owning YOU as property? If yes, then well, at least your consistent. If not, then would you rather live in a society where slavery is permissible or one where it is impermissible?

I’m almost out of popcorn

The caller is a regular joe and Matt is Thanos in this conversation..lol 😆

I actually think Matt did poorly here. He didn't listen to the guy's argument. The guy's argument wasn't good, but Matt never got to the point of addressing the actual argument. He got to some of it afterwards, but it is bad form to not let the caller argue his case first.

@mutawi

3 жыл бұрын

@Lenor Gewissen Though mostly because Matt never let him say it. Just let him make his case and address the points. Matt is getting a bit too cynical and short tempered. Not that one can blame vim

@mutawi

3 жыл бұрын

@Lenor Gewissen Having looked it up again I stand by my usage. Dont really care to spend time debating that though. I'm simply pointing out that it is understandable that years of listening to bullshit would cause Matt to be more prone to quickly dismissing points that seem similar to what has been heard before. However, that does not make it good conversational form. Especially given the purpose of the show.

@chrissonofpear1384

3 жыл бұрын

@@mutawi I expect it was something like 'God tolerated it because so many tribes depended on it, for a time; but invented guidelines to regulate it' or something. Still, it may not have been.

One is one thing correct? Yes Two things are two things correct? 1 + 1 = 2 correct. Yes but it may have been different at other times.

This should be good.

I like the channel and been watching the vids for many years now. One observation actually doesn’t have to be with the content. Just wanted to point out ta the graphic design. It is quite painful.

It's amazing how stupid some people can be.

Has the caller read the Old Testament at ALL?

So the caller basically went down the apologetics path of “well that was the culture of the time and god didn’t wanna rock the boat, so he came up with rules to make slavery feel less harsh”

He was making a very specific point about the difference between advocating and endorsing something versus simply permitting something to happen. The reason the caller brought up 'Would you make Christianity illegal?' is because he was trying to get to get Matt to admit that you don't have to endorse or advocate for Christianity for you to allow Christianity to be legal with specific rules attached.

@thakraken6995

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter. It should've been prohibited if slavery was immoral according to the Bible

Callers like this bell end are the reasons theists get slaughtered 95 percent of the time and just gutted the other 5.

"Not everything in the Bible is true." I will never understand why people who hold this opinion still continue to believe in the Bible. The Bible is supposed to be a holy book that is infallible and is claimed to have basically been written by God himself through telling man exactly what he wanted jotted down. So if you believe any part of the Bible is inaccurate, or metaphorical without it being explicitly referred to as such, why would you believe a single word in it? What's stopping the idea of God from being a lie or being a metaphor? What is keeping you from adopting the pieces of Christianity that you do like and discarding the rest? Why do you cling so tightly to a God that lies or to a book that is full of lies? I suppose a part of it could be if you're raised in the religion, and it's literally the only truth you've ever known, and you start getting contradictory information, you start morphing your beliefs around the contradictions. But still, in perpetuating the religion you're forcing harmful ideas into the public conscious. Christianity doesn't just stop at Jesus telling us to love our neighbor. There's 62 other books in there, all of which show that God is cruel and will punish you for the most minor infractions. There is no lesser sin with God. Eating a shrimp carries the same punishment as genocide. What finally got me to drop the faith was realizing I was attracted to my trans friend, and coming to grips with the fact that my beliefs hurt her. I wish that more Christians who were doubting their faith would realize how many people they're harming with their beliefs, and finally make the plunge and drop the faith, especially if they already think parts of the book are bullshit.

At 9.03 I really cracked up, that was so so funny. Some people's brains are wired very weirdly.

Endorses something that is immoral but isn't immoral. How can anybody possibly even attempt to maintain that the property of immorality with respect to an issue is not inherited through endorsement?

This dude has never satisfied a woman and never will.

@Arkloyd

3 жыл бұрын

Just like the yahweh, he probably considers women as property.

Is Rick that Stupid, or is this a Prank-call ? ...............

@hakureikura9052

3 жыл бұрын

high chance of being a prank call... there is almost no chance that the caller is that much of a dumb ass.... but then again... maybe... just maybe...

@robertkaslow3720

3 жыл бұрын

Flat erfers exist, sovcits exist, therefore DUMDUMS exist.

@ralfhaggstrom9862

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertkaslow3720 I find it very hard to fathom, but I`m afraid you`re right .............

Whatever "good" might come from putting people into slavery has other options that accomplish the same level of positive outcome at the metric of making a person your property WITHOUT making that person your property.

God recognized that some people lie, but he wanted his worshippers to know that lying is bad, so he issued a commandment. Thou shalt not bear false witness. And he recognized that some people steal, but he wanted his worshippers to know that stealing is bad, so he issued a commandment. Thou shalt not steal. And he recognized that some people covet what other people have, but he wanted his worshippers to know that coveting is bad, so he issued a commandment. Thou shalt not covet. And he recognized that some people want to own slaves, but he said, “Okay, fine. Whatever.” And put out a whole series of rules for purchasing, owning, beating, and selling slaves. Somehow, failing to honor your parents and creating graven images are serious enough matters that God absolutely put the hammer down. He found time to issue extensive dietary restrictions, strict rules for planting crops, and prohibitions against wearing fabrics made from different types of threads. But owning, beating, and selling other humans is so trivial that he just laid out some guidelines on how to do it properly.

Jesus! Why can’t Mat just hear them out a bit so we can understand where they’re coming from?

@TamaraBloodhoof

3 жыл бұрын

I...kiiiiinda hope that you are joking here. Okay, let me change that, I REALLY hope you are joking here.

Ok, he wasn’t that dishonest for a slavery apologist

The Bible advocates rules for owning a slave when it should be advocating that owning another human is not okay! Never brought up when you were a kid for some reason.

He thought he had a gotcha, he didn't 😂