This show is quite enjoyable when the callers are intellectually honest

@areid5907

Жыл бұрын

What about an intellectually honest suicide bomber? " Ok everybody run away, what I'm about to do is bad" "God is not that great!!" 3,2,1 boom

@geraldammons5520

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Most discussions seem to end with theists thinking "I owned them" when the caller was actually "owned".

@cwillis92

Жыл бұрын

Yup, which is why I totally get why Matt got so upset with callers who clearly couldn't have a conversation or debate honestly. Not only does it make for dumb & uninteresting conversation content, it's a waste of fucking time.

@BandiGetOffTheRoof

Жыл бұрын

Has a Christian caller ever been convinced to change to be an atheist on this show?

@arthurzetes

Жыл бұрын

@@BandiGetOffTheRoof yes they have. they dont do it on air but in the past matt dillahunty has gotten many messages from former callers about how he was instrumental in their deconversion

I find that when the caller sounds honestly lost and need guidance Matt is the most patient person ever, he does truly understand how scrambled our thoughts can be and is always ready to help give some guidance.

@woutermortier2771

Жыл бұрын

Matt really is open for genuine conversations and has no patience when callers are dishonest in the way they handle themselves

@jaronfeld123

Жыл бұрын

Matt is extremely impatient with most callers because most callers just start rambling and assuming they’re the smarter and more enlightened ones. This caller was humble, and so earned Matt’s undying patience.

@kallemattiwaris2422

Жыл бұрын

I recall one caller who started to spout the usual "I believe because I believe" BS, and Matt started to get impatient. The caller then admitted that he might be more gullible than usual due to having a severe learning disability. Matt's demeanor changed immediately.

Roy came with his listening ears on and we all benefited for it. Thanks.

@petercollier9073

Жыл бұрын

And Matt put on his listening ears as well, takes two to tango

You guys nailed it about how we formulate viewpoints and feelings etc. I grew up in Belfast, Northern Ireland and I was taught to view Catholics as my enemies from a very early age. I was surrounded by Christian fundamentalist preaching and I absorbed a deeply bigoted version of Christianity. I have been an atheist for about ten years now and even at the age of sixty, I still find that bigotry causing me problems. It stays with me, despite my non belief; however I am at least aware of it and I am trying to extinguish it completely. Thank you for your show. It's really enlightening to me and keeps me moving forward in life.

@briancarton1804

Жыл бұрын

Greetings from Dublin. I was reared Catholic and my god father was from St James's Park of the falls. I spent a lot of time in Belfast as a child , grew up watching the ridiculous behaviour and beliefs on both sides of the divide. I became an atheist 46 years ago at the age of 15 having questioned religion for 4 to 5 years before that. Religion is nothing but mind poision

@DontRespectTheUS

Жыл бұрын

I am/was a Southern Baptist and was also taught that Catholics are literally working with Satan to destroy the world. And I went to a Baptist school so it was an everyday thing being reinforced. Not only in the classes but we had Wednesday chapel at school with K-12th grade where we were told it’s our obligation to “fight against the satanic Catholic Church” and that until the government outlaws Catholicism, makes Southern Baptist Protestantism the official Christian religion, and enforces that on everyone “we can never know peace or be truly free”. On top of a bunch of other extremist views like the earth can’t be older than 10,000 years, men have one less rib and women have an extra, every nation knows that the Bible is the one true religion, non-believers should be put in jail, a long list of anti-christs, that “we” deserve to control the Middle East because it’s gods will and that’s what all the wars are for, that said Muslims in the Middle East deserve to be killed. Even the children because they may have some resentment over having their homes obliterated and may decide they don’t want to be Christians. One of the scariest things was that Jesus can’t come back to rule in peace until “every knee is bent, every head bowed, and every thought goes to god” and that we have to “do away with” people who disagree because they’re an “active threat to our survival”.

@mildredmartinez8843

Жыл бұрын

Good that you admit your failings. Keep on.

@briancarton1804

Жыл бұрын

@@DontRespectTheUS They sure teach some shit in religious schools. I finished school at the age of 15 in Dublin Ireland. I was kicked out because priests ran the school and taught in it and I said I did not believe in god. Other guys in my class did not believe or had doubts but kept quite so their dishonesty was rewarded by letting them finish school. I went into construction and prospered, however now at the age of 61 I'm finding the work hard. I might go to college as a mature student and do architecture as I like to work. Who knows what would have happened in my life if I went on to finish school. Religion is mind poison and brain washing and the cause of more wars , terrorism and strife through out the world . Until every church , temple , synagogue and mosque have been demolished there will never be peace in the world.

@stevefmelb

Жыл бұрын

@@mildredmartinez8843 I dont see any 'failings' in Brians views. He has simply realised the truth and how he was indoctrinated/brainwashed for the 1st 15yrs of his life as a RC... as I was

Ironically, ‘Matt Fury’ seems to be more calm and patient. I’m liking it.

@kallemattiwaris2422

Жыл бұрын

Honest callers tend to have that effect on him.

@stultusvenator3233

Жыл бұрын

The caller did not raise his heckles because he wasn't the usual closed minded idiot theists. When it is "Bring the Fury" and eviscerate the bastard. 😁😁 The only reason there is less to no miracles is Video, Fact Checking and Scientific investigation, plus the broader use of reason and logic.

I feel like Roy is genuinely interested in listening to Matt and ultimately wants to learn the truth. There is yet hope!

@PoeLemic

Жыл бұрын

Well, it's good to see 1 Christian out of millions willing to actually have a real debate and not just fall back on other evangelizer's built-up scripts. Quite refreshing and novel.

@pinball1970

Жыл бұрын

@@PoeLemic Yeah I liked him. That's two good callers in a row I have watched. Rare!

@jerrylong6238

Жыл бұрын

I agree 100%, there is a first time for everything.

@douglasrasmussen480

Жыл бұрын

The very mass of Exodus establishes the logistical and mathematical impossibility of the putative diaspora.

There's congruency between Harry Potter 1 and Harry Potter 7. I'm pretty sure that's not because of fulfilment of some prophesy that was made in book 1.

@Mewse1203

Жыл бұрын

You're right. The prophecy was before book one.

@jquest99

Жыл бұрын

@@cindyweatherly4501 I looked above my head and didn't see your post.

@cindyweatherly4501

Жыл бұрын

@@jquest99 oh, I meant after your post on the main thread

@owenoulton9312

Жыл бұрын

@@Mewse1203 Um, that's not possible, since book one is the beginning of the story. The prophecy was revealed in book one as part of the backstory. I don't think you understand how fiction works.

@Mewse1203

Жыл бұрын

@@owenoulton9312 was it? I thought the prophecy was revealed in book 5 after the Battle at The Department of Mysteries. But the actual **in universe** timing of the prophecy takes place before the books even start which is what I was referring to.

That was one polite caller! Great call & conversation between the 3 of you.

He's not the messiah. he's just a naughty boy.

@holgerlubotzki3469

Жыл бұрын

He's also an individual!

@amtlpaul

Жыл бұрын

@@holgerlubotzki3469 We're all individuals! We're all different! "I'm not!"

@t800fantasm2

Жыл бұрын

Jesus: "So, are you the Easter Bunny? Bunny: "Yup, what's it to you?" Jesus: " Hey little guy, don't be mad, I'm just wondering what your game is here?" Bunny: "Oh, it's not a biggie, I crap out little tiny brown turds. Told the locals it's chocolate and they run around looking for them and eat them" Jesus: "Why do they do that?" Bunny: "They don't know what chocolate is, so I told them its really good. It'll be a few hundred years before they discover real chocolate, so i'm kind of helping them... LOL I even hide them so they feel like they did great when they find one!" Jesus: "Wow, that's good, I wish I had thought of it. You could almost start a religion with a scam that good." Bunny: "Don't worry, something will come your way! There's a sucker born every minute." Jesus: "I must think on this. It's such a good idea that I'd hate to pass over it without doing something!" Bunny: "Hey, wanna hear a joke?" Jesus: "Sure, what ya got?" Bunny: "What do you get when you pour hot water down a rabbit hole?" Jesus: "Ummm, No idea..." Bunny: "Hot Cross Bunnies!, Get it?" Jesus: (laughing) Jesus: "Wait, I just had this idea for a religion... Let's see a bunny in the shape of a cross???? or maybe on a cross?" Bunny: "Gross!, put your own ass on a cross!, Not a cute little bunny.... " Jesus: "Hey, you might have something there... " Bunny: "Yeah, create a little backstory, get up on the cross, wait ti no one's looking and bugger off... Confuse the hell out of the locals. They ain't too smart... Especially that guy Brian, down the road...claims he's all this, or that but I asked his mom and all she said was, "Now, you listen here! He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy! Now, go away!" before I could ask anything more....

@amandacogger3075

Жыл бұрын

Follow the shoe!

@MPM6785ChitChat

Жыл бұрын

@@t800fantasm2 😆 Fun read. By the way - like most of the Cathy religious fests it's yet another appropriation. Easter was a Pagan celebration it celebrates Spring . The season of fucundity - birth of lambs, chicks and well who breeds better than rabbits.

Apart from his flounder about congruence, the caller seems to be a sincere person who is genuinely interested in knowing. I hope he take their advice to look and read.

@andrewsgaming8230

Жыл бұрын

He’s on the path to discovery since he hasn’t decided that he’s right and can’t learn more

@DontRespectTheUS

Жыл бұрын

Yea I got a good vibe from this guy.

@FakingANerve

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. It was actually somewhat refreshing to hear.

I love it when someone like Roy calls in. Much as I like watching Matt kick ass, I really enjoy it when someone engages him on the up and up. It's better for his blood pressure, too.

There is an archaeological museum in Tel Aviv with a room dedicated to the Exodus evidences! The only item in the room is a video loop of the museum curator explaining that the room is empty, because nobody found ANY EVIDENCE for the exodus described in the Bible!

@paulk9188

Жыл бұрын

Well that’s a lie, there’s tons of evidence for Exodus.

@andrzejsawicki3770

Жыл бұрын

@@paulk9188 Do you mean archaeological evidence? Show me the link. But do not give me from the creationists pages.

@colindickson8034

Жыл бұрын

@@andrzejsawicki3770 "crickets"

@shookreeseeree4

Жыл бұрын

@@paulk9188 ..well if u have..present your evidences to the scientific community..n win your Nobel Prize.. haha 😂

@jquest99

Жыл бұрын

@@paulk9188 You should get a Bible that doesn't weigh tons. You know that you can get a paperback. I personally use an app. And my phone doesn't weigh that much.

A classic example of "I have evidence" and then be shot down in a few minutes and then resort to "ehh... I have personal experience of.. something".

I like that he listened.

@Mewse1203

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I get the sense that hr was honest and open. .

*Roy seems like a good guy, and a fair and honest interlocutor.* He didn't play word games, unlike so many that call in. This was a great call.

He at least seemed honest.

You know what, this was a good chill call.

Wow....this caller actually listened.

Good job Roy! what a stand up dude! He's a believer and he wants to have thoughts and ideas about his belief!!!! So nice to hear from a believer like Roy!

The Exodus happened sometime during the 18th/early 19th dynasty (i.e. c.1550BC and c.1230BC) depending on which biblical chronology is used. Karl Butzer (1970s) estimated the population of Egypt around 1250BC using two methodologies to be between 2.9 and 3.5 million people. The methods he used were 1) to take the estimated cultivatable area of Egypt at that time and multiple the resulting number by the estimated carrying capacity of that land and 2) to take the estimated occupied area and multiply this by the estimated population density. Barry Kemp (1983) used a similar method to 2 (above) to derive his estimate of 4 to 5 million people. Using slave estimates from Roman Egypt and combining them with Butzer's population estimates, John Madden has estimated that the number of slaves in Egypt c.1250BC to be 200 to 250 thousand people. Maskell (2002) determined that the number of people under the age of 20 was approximately 42%. According to the book of Exodus, God commanded Moses to lead the Israelites away from the fertile Land of Goshen and to conquer, without killing anyone (because God was soon to forbid this), the already occupied Land of Canaan. Exodus states that the Israelites numbered 600 thousand men. The book of Numbers is more specific stating 603,550 males older than 20. Assuming a like number of women and grossing up for the accompanying children, we get an estimated Israelite population of 2,081,207 people [(603550 × 2)/58%]. There is no evidence in the Egyptian records to suggest that Egypt suddenly lost 40 - 50% of its population around this time, nor is there any evidence that the scrublands of the Sinai desert could support this number of people for even one year, let alone 40! The total size of the Egyptian army during the New Kingdom has been estimated at 40 thousand men. These were arranged in four divisions stationed in different parts of Egypt. If Pharaoh's army had pursued the escaping Israelites it is unlikely that they would have faced more than 20 thousand men. The Israelites outnumbered the Egyptians by 30:1, if Exodus is to be believed. Why did they not just take the Land of Goshen? Also, the Land of Canaan throughout this period was under the hegemony of Egypt. So the escaping Israelites were fleeing from Egypt to Egypt controlled Canaan. A pointless exercise if ever there was one. The story of the Exodus, as written, not only didn't happen but it couldn't possibly have happened.

@FakingANerve

Жыл бұрын

Grahame came hot out of the gates with stats and math, and I'm digging it! Haha. Cheers, Grahame. 🍻

@grahvis

Жыл бұрын

Believers will claim the Egyptians covered it up but no way could the economic collapse that would follow such a large number of people leaving the country, be hidden.

@ajclements4627

Жыл бұрын

Damn if that OP wasn’t a 🎤 drop.

@rageofheaven

Жыл бұрын

"Why did they not just take the Land of Goshen?" Or summon god to drop a pillar on them, killing all 20,000 of them at once. Didn't he pull a trick like that once before, or after?

@jquest99

Жыл бұрын

Well, that's a very unfair analysis and argument that you are making. 😠 How can a theist respond if you insist on making your points based on reason, calculations, and actual historical context?

It’s nice having good callers every once in awhile

The biggest mistake the caller is making is Jesus doesn't fulfill the prophecies from the Hebrew text, he fulfills the translation-filled errors of the Greek text that Paul and other Roman scholars would have been reading at the time.

@MrChiangching

Жыл бұрын

They weren't translation errors,they were intentional

@KNylen

Жыл бұрын

source, pls?

@stephenolan5539

Жыл бұрын

@@KNylen He doesn't fulfill, "and a child shall lead them". Jesus was born, disappeared until he was an adult then made an appearance.

@DaveCM

Жыл бұрын

@@KNylen it isn't as simple as one source. But, it is well known by honest scholars that Jesus does not fulfill the prophecies. They are twisted to force Jesus to fulfill them. You have to do some actual research of your own.

@KNylen

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveCM yeah i know, was just wondering if somebody could give me a place to start looking…

I got alot of respect for this caller . I feel like all three of them knocked this call out of the park . Mad props for Roy being such a good sport and actually understanding how a conversation works . Roy should teach other theists on proper debate edict .

I believe in the Great Pumpkin 🎃! 😶

@hellshade2

Жыл бұрын

nice to meet you Linus!

@t800fantasm2

Жыл бұрын

Only another 60 odd days until he rises from the Pumpkin patch!

@lukewojtanowicz1991

Жыл бұрын

@@t800fantasm2 But only if your pumpkin patch is truly sincere.

The Exodus seems like a labor dispute more than anything

@holgerlubotzki3469

Жыл бұрын

Nahh.. The g0d of Moses wanted to exterminate some fledgling humans and the story of Exodus is all about how he went about setting things up so he could get his rocks off!

@bigdaddygoon828

Жыл бұрын

@@holgerlubotzki3469 😂😂😂😂

Honest and great caller

'Biblical Truth' - a phrase which always raises a chuckle from me...

For this program, the general solicitation to theist callers is "Tell us what you believe and WHY"… however if you go so far as to tell the call screeners that you have EVIDENCE to support the supernatural claims of the bible (figuring that will increase your chances of getting on the show)… and then you start off telling us all why you BELIEVE what you believe, instead of jumping right into the evidence you claim to have, Matt should just interrupt them and say "get to the EVIDENCE"… which of course they never have.

@kathyheitchue2022

Жыл бұрын

Hell yes just about every caller jumps On point trying to push their so called truth on to the hosts in to prove God is male??

@chasemolo5059

Жыл бұрын

Love that enthusiasm… trust me I do but I also believe it would stifle a bunch of what could otherwise be interesting calls

@kissit012

Жыл бұрын

He does do this often

@oscarantoniomoreno5247

Жыл бұрын

They wouldn't have a show. I myself like to hear the funny stuff people believe. I also like it when Matt say STFU. Lol.

@2msystems740

Жыл бұрын

No, no, no. Let them first entertain us. Then sttfu and invite them to call back, after they educated themselves.

BEST VIDEO YET! MATT SAYS IT ALL HERE.

I friggen love Other Dimension Evil Matt!!! This was a great conversation. Thank you!

@88mphDrBrown

Жыл бұрын

The question is... who's he controlling with the eye patch?

@c0nv3rg3

Жыл бұрын

@Ronnie Alexander it just cracked me up that with his eye patch he’s more patient and calm and the conversation rocked.

@supertouring22

Жыл бұрын

@Ronnie Alexander Please think before posting next time. It may help you look less stupid

@mabatch3769

Жыл бұрын

@Ronnie Alexander Evil because he says things you don’t agree with or evil in that he commits acts of evil? My guess is you think the former.

@mabatch3769

Жыл бұрын

@Ronnie Alexander What acts of evil does he commit? What evil does he speak?

Miracles disappeared about the same time that cameras appeared.

One of the best conversations I've heard.

Great conversation...y'all are such great ambassadors.

Matt always has me on the edge of my seat. I never know if he will carpet bomb the caller with Fs, or just gently school them. 🙏💖

@vincentknight4866

Жыл бұрын

lol for real haha

@grantwing4942

Жыл бұрын

Depends on the caller attitude. Are they avoiding answering questions? Are they listening? Are they trying to talk over the host? Matt would have less patience with those callers than one like Roy. But I'm sure he has days when he is just in a sh..tty mood too.

@steveswangler6373

Жыл бұрын

it's easy to tell how Matt will respond to a caller. is the caller interested in an actual conversation by listening as well as speaking? or is the caller combative, talking over the hosts and never listening and never shutting up? very easy to tell how Matt will react to each caller.

@themplar

Жыл бұрын

Not that hard to predict. When a caller seems to be serious and isnt insanely dishonest, dodging questionst etc he is nice. If dishonest etc etc.. bombs away~!

@hankkingsley9183

Жыл бұрын

If a caller doesn't listen and instead talks while Matt speaks, that almost always results in carpet bombing.

that caller is possibly on his way to removing the blinders

Matt and Jim are truly a great team!! Matt is truly calm in the Roy call. Love him ranting at times though.

If someone during the time of Jesus wanted to convince people that they are the Messiah, they would have looked at what was prophesized and try to convince people that they're meeting what was prophesized. The fact that what's written the new testament was written to be "congruent" with a pre-existing text doesn't provide a proof that the prophesies were miraculously met.

@jaflenbond7854

Жыл бұрын

Just curious, are you claiming that the God of the Christ didn't create you from soil?

@romankvapil9184

Жыл бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 What does that have anything to do with anything to what the OP wrote, troll?

@24magiccarrot

Жыл бұрын

Also if someone was writing a myth that they were trying to convince was the messiah the myth would also be claimed to have fulfilled said prophecy.

@cookiescraftscats

Жыл бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 I am gonna go ahead and confirm that on his behalf. No soil involved, just dirty thoughts and DNA.

@marcusreading3783

Жыл бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 Just curious, are you claiming that the King of the Asgard didnt create you from wood?

Great point by Matt. Why give a pass to the Bible and not to the Koran and other religious books. That where the caller starts to flounder.

This is one of the best, in my opinion, the best shows of the Atheist Experience. I hope that the call screeners recognize and have enough callers to distinguish the ones that aren't batshit crazy and can carry on a normal conversation.

Didn’t the great archeologist Robert Marley clarify the Exodus question once and for all? Three little birds told me so.

@amtlpaul

Жыл бұрын

Movement of Jah people

@NeverTalkToCops1

Жыл бұрын

No cry No woman.

@_Somsnosa_

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. "Exodus, movement of Jah people". It proves that Bob Marley is the Jewish messiah.

@tmjewel

Жыл бұрын

@@NeverTalkToCops1 Lol.

Matt has slowly turned into a bond villain for atheists 🤷🏻‍♂️

@cshubs

Жыл бұрын

It's just what we need!!

@Timbo6669

Жыл бұрын

I had the urge to hide my rum when starting to watch this.

@a.i1970

Жыл бұрын

He's Not A Villain😌 He's Odin😎

@patchbunny

Жыл бұрын

He needs a fluffy white cat plush to stroke while the callers rant.

@starlaminde8436

Жыл бұрын

Never a villain he’s too honest and genuine for that character trait…but an excellent leader and teacher is what I believe he is!

Where is al the rubbish those people left in the sinai?? 40 years of rubbish must be somewhere.

@MrChiangching

Жыл бұрын

All the manure should have created good farmland 😁

@t800fantasm2

Жыл бұрын

"40 years " Yup, somehow lost after following the coastline, on a journey I could walk in less than two weeks, to a place that at the time was another province of Egypt... Makes perfect sense....

Roys a joy.

This is a great episode.

matt and jim were on fire for this entire ep. what a privilege to have these great thinkers available to us. ball is so in your court, theists; so far all any of us have seen from you is utter garbage.

The Bible is a collection of stories that were edited and retold and then rewritten over extended periods of time in attempts to increase the interest in those stories. For example, some re-tellers and later the writers who documented the verbal versions of the stories thought it was more interesting to have the hero do supernatural stuff, like walk on water, instead of simply strolling along a sandy beach. The miracles never actually happened as written, but they made for more interesting stories.

Matt only doesn't get pissed when a caller isn't a jackass. That is something I have noticed.

This may be Tyne best video I have ever seen on this show in terms of being respectful. I believe people can diss agree and still be respectful to one another even though they have conflicting beliefs. I’ve always heard Hitchens and DeSusa after debates of evolution vs Creation, would always go out to dinner and have discussions on literature, music and many other academic topics. Always awesome to have class and respect!

There’s hope for Roy.

Whoa . Did Patch Matt gulp down some thc gummies before this call ? So mellow and calm. This is a clip to show the theist relatives who can't handle the rougher tone of prickly patchless Matt.

@jackhartford521

Жыл бұрын

I think what’s going on is the caller is actually listening. And so it gives Matt a chance to actually have a conversation. Not just listen to religious folks proselytize And have to stop them and tell them to listen.

Another excellent clip from this show. So glad not every call is just swearing and muting and hanging up on the caller.

Great clip

I still remember this story from when I was a child in 1960. Wynken, Blynken, and Nod Eugene Field - 1850-1895 Wynken, Blynken, and Nod one night Sailed off in a wooden shoe,- Sailed on a river of crystal light Into a sea of dew. "Where are you going, and what do you wish?" The old moon asked the three. "We have come to fish for the herring-fish That live in this beautiful sea; Nets of silver and gold have we," Said Wynken, Blynken, And Nod. The old moon laughed and sang a song, As they rocked in the wooden shoe; And the wind that sped them all night long Ruffled the waves of dew; The little stars were the herring-fish That lived in the beautiful sea. "Now cast your nets wherever you wish,- Never afraid are we!" So cried the stars to the fishermen three, Wynken, Blynken, And Nod. All night long their nets they threw To the stars in the twinkling foam,- Then down from the skies came the wooden shoe, Bringing the fishermen home: 'Twas all so pretty a sail, it seemed As if it could not be; And some folk thought 'twas a dream they'd dreamed Of sailing that beautiful sea; But I shall name you the fishermen three: Wynken, Blynken, And Nod. Wynken and Blynken are two little eyes, And Nod is a little head, And the wooden shoe that sailed the skies Is a wee one's trundle-bed; So shut your eyes while Mother sings Of wonderful sights that be, And you shall see the beautiful things As you rock in the misty sea Where the old shoe rocked the fishermen three:- Wynken, Blynken, And Nod.

@ebonkrieg

Жыл бұрын

I used to sleep soundly in those days.

I'm sorry, but as soon as Roy here said in answer to Matt's question about why he believes the bible over the others and then said "Because I had a 'personal experience in the church ', I Immediately thought.. he's a Catholic and the priest was VERY friendly to him every week. I'm a very bad man. Lol

This is, in my opinion, the best conversation I've listened to from you guys, a great caller, who understood the thinking of an atheist then understood the facts. But the fallacies have really caught him, and faith stood in the way of his rational thinking.

@paulk9188

Жыл бұрын

Atheists are not rational. Try again

Oh man I really liked that conversation. That was nice

Historical fiction nice

Zechariah prophecies that the messiah will ride a donkey into Jerusalem. option1: Jesus knows the prophesy and so gets a donkey to ride. option 2: It didn't happen but the authors knew the prophecy and wrote that it happened. option 3: It didn't happen but some intermediate storyteller (Q) knew the prophecy and made it up so the authors believed it did happen.

@davidlewis8017

Жыл бұрын

Or Jesus unknowingly decides to ride a donkey into Jerusalem?

@markbeoluke6454

Жыл бұрын

option 4: (Bible Thumper) Jesus both knew and didn't know he was fulfilling prophesy. Jesus: "Wait a minute, derp, did I just fulfill prophecy in Zechariah? Wow! It's amazing! You readers should feel just as awed as I am!

@dancedecker

Жыл бұрын

Not being funny, but how many alternatives to a donkey as normal transportation back then were there anyway ? It's hardly a massive stretch is it that a "man of the people" would only really be able to choose a donkey? Now had it been today and the prophecy went, he came in a bright green Trabant and then he actually did, then I'd be a bit more impressed Still not enough to prove anything really, but certainly a bit more impressed lol.

@FrikInCasualMode

Жыл бұрын

@@dancedecker War elephant LOL Now that would be a memorable event.

@dancedecker

Жыл бұрын

@@FrikInCasualMode agreed. Lol .

I quite enjoyed this caller, much respect to him

Good discussion here

The prophecy that Christians are so fond of bringing up from Isaiah 7:14: “A virgin (or young woman?) will give birth to a son and call him Immanuel.” Did Mary call her son Immanuel? How is that not incongruent?

@stephenolan5539

Жыл бұрын

What about, "and a child shall lead them"?

swing and a miss

Jim highlights a recurring problem with theists saying: so you don't believe anything without scientific evidence. Historians & lawyers also have always required empirical evidence, long before science was established. Philosophers back to the ancient Greeks don't require empirical evidence but they do require consistent logical deduction. After that: very diplomatic conversation between the reasonable (but misguided) caller & Matt.

An honest interlocutor! I love this caller.

Damn Matt really just woke up and chose world peace lol

Matt, you hit the nail on the head! Why does God play hide and seek with us? How silly! How tiring to hear these fools go on and on in their ignorance without evidence. And they think they're going to convince someone. ????

"Pirate Matt" is amazing from a brand management point of view. This outfit is even more recognizable than Aron Ra's style.

Good answer jim about reading real histories

If god is perfect then we would be perfect, but we are not perfect as we have free will to do as we please so that blows that theory out the window

Did the slaves live up stream from the palace? Moses supposedly floated down stream. I wouldn't have my palace down stream from the slaves.

@t800fantasm2

Жыл бұрын

"Did the slaves live up stream from the palace?" Wow.... I am actually kind of shocked by that.... Wow.... Your comment makes so much sense that I'm really surprised I have not heard of that before... But seriously good point... I salute you....!!!

@t800fantasm2

Жыл бұрын

@@kentonbaird1723 "imagine the smell of an entire population's waste" Not to mention debris, garbage, bodies, dung... etc... It's a very good point....

@davidbelway6076

Жыл бұрын

@@t800fantasm2 thankyou, and I know right?

@jquest99

Жыл бұрын

Presumably, Moses' mother set him off upstream of where the Pharaoh's daughter bathed. She had already hidden Moses for some time so she could have been away from the main slave population.

@woutermortier2771

Жыл бұрын

Didn't you know that miracles float up stream 😉

I love this video

Roy my brother, Matt knows his stuff. Stay Safe Stay Free

Asked for evidence, spends the whole minute talking about internal consistency of a story. If he were right, all that would mean is it's well written. But of course he isn't even right about that... But at least this was a nice decent caller actually capable of having an honest conversation for once.

@stephenolan5539

Жыл бұрын

He didn't talk about the consistency. He spent the minute claiming that there is consistency.

As an outspoken Atheist my entire life,my advice to theists in regards to the Bible, is to read Harry Potter or Peter Pan instead. It’s the exact same fiction w/o all the immoral, divisive, hypocritical bullshit thrown in!

@stephenolan5539

Жыл бұрын

Or if they want ancient then there is the Iliad. Which even claims to be the words of the Oracle.

Mathematical analogy to congruence or consistency: If 0 = 1, then 9 = 10. Not only are the two equations consistent with each, one actually implies the other (such as by adding 9 to each side of the first equation to obtain the second one). But the fact of this consistency does not tell us whether the individual statements are TRUE - which, they are not.

Why yes, yes there can be a civil exchange with a theist who is willing to listen.

Can we get one episode where Matt wears a pirate hat?

Bible. Ignore it.

It's unbelievable that in this age in time, Mat and Jim have to teach people how to use logic.

Just saw this, and I thought it was from years ago. I saw Matt more patient and less triggered, and Jim younger (sorry!) . Rob, you brought the honest curiosity that frees souls. I'm delighted to see it is from one month ago. Matt, you shine in this one. Thank you for all these golden moment . You will be missed on AxP.

Yeah there are a lot of evidence that the bible is true not

God could easily settle all this by making himself more apparent in the real world. Maybe a few Old Testament magical miracles every now and then? Wonder why he won't do this in today's day and age? Wouldn't you think he'd want to do that so he could convert more nonbelievers to Christianity. Right after I wrote this comment, Matt essentially made the same point. I liked what he said about God playing hide and seek. Well put.

@stephenolan5539

Жыл бұрын

I think God would start with the Christians that have it wrong. Evangelicals say that Catholics are not real Christians. The previous Pope said that a lot of Protestant churches are deficient. And there are the Mormons and JW's.

Never heard anyone say congruent so much.

Roy is honest and polite at least.

LUKE 24: 42-43 states that the "Christian Messiah" came back in the flesh, which clearly REVERSED any "Blood Sacrifice made for the Salvation of Mankind" ! ! ! Even their own "Holy Book" contradicts their beliefs! In addition: Proclaiming that some man named "Jesus" is you new god, contradicts the FIRST COMMANDMENT of your Bible!

It sounds like Moses was talking about himself when he returned to Egypt after he left to come back to free the people

@jaflenbond7854

Жыл бұрын

Who is the God of modern times THEISTS? The God worshipped by Moses? OR Satan the Devil, the God of the anti-Christs? Let me know your PERSONAL belief and stand.

@bigdaddygoon828

Жыл бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 I'm an atheist buddy I don't know what you talking about and no I don't believe in the devil neither with this which is nothing but a caricature of how bad people can be but I'm just saying it sounds like a labor dispute because just like in the labor dispute some people leave and a some people stay just like what happened in The Exodus story because we know in the story they were building the pyramids and other Egyptian architecture matter of fact when Moses was a part of the Egyptian government he was over the workers

@jaflenbond7854

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdaddygoon828 I'm asking what you know about the God and Gods of the Theists in relation to what you mentioned about the BIBLICAL Moses. So, do you know who the God of the Theists is? the God worshipped by Moses? OR Satan the Devil, the God of the anti-Christs?

@bigdaddygoon828

Жыл бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 I know as much as anyone else which is nothing it just sounds like a labor dispute

@jaflenbond7854

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdaddygoon828 The God of all THEISTS is Satan the Devil, the enemy of the God of the Christ, of Moses, Abraham, King David, etc. All arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of all religions who rejected the authority, love, kindness, guidance, and protection of the God of the Christ as worthless and useless will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths

Wow, Matt was in a great mood. Lol

Good episode. I'll leave it at that.

Sorry you cannot put the word truth in the same sentence as biblical without committing the sin of lying.

One of the errors of theists (Christians mainly) is taking the bible as a reference book, but when questioned for EVIDENCE to such biblical writings, it all falls apart... Those are nice stories, at best, until proven true

@jaflenbond7854

Жыл бұрын

What is the value, worth, and importance of the Bible to all atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of all religions? All arrogant, cruel, and hateful THEISTS who worship the Devil and believe the LIES and foolishness of the anti-Christs about Armageddon, hellfire, rapture, and reincarnation are nothing but shameless, foolish, worthless, and useless human beings who'll just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths. All arrogant, cruel, and hateful ATHEISTS who worship Harry Potter and Santa Claus and believe the fantasies and fairy tales of the Lord of the Rings, Spiderman, and Cinderella are nothing but shameless, foolish, worthless, and useless human beings who'll just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths.

@paulk9188

Жыл бұрын

Kinda like modern science..huh?

@ramptonarsecandle

Жыл бұрын

@@paulk9188 science is fact based Christianity is demonstrably not. The bible is a book of fiction from start to finish.

@nagranoth_

Жыл бұрын

Generally not nice...

@MrMarcusIndia

Жыл бұрын

@@paulk9188 Did that sound good in your head before you wrote it down? Given the evidence, it would not appear that you understand what modern science actually says. Which leaves you in a precarious situation when you want to criticize it.

LOL it's the first show where I don't hear you cussing, muting and hanging up. 🤣 👍

I hope Matt's eyesight gets better, but maybe the dillahun-timer can be updated with an eye-patch? 😁

@ricardovonkrypton8908

Жыл бұрын

Also Matt should get a t-shirt with the clock on it! :D

@diogeneslamp8004

Жыл бұрын

Yes please!

I haven't been around the channel in awhile and I feel like I might have missed something here...When exactly did Matt take up piracy?

@susanatkinson3978

Жыл бұрын

He has a double vision problem

@landsgevaer

Жыл бұрын

Aye matey, the prophecies of Flying Spaghetti Monsterism are coming true, argh!

As told the bible story is nothing but a story. You could compare the cult mind set of the messiah idea to recent and current events.

During this call, my son looked at me from up on my deck and said "I found a bird!" Then he proceeded to throw a dead bird off my deck into the yard. How did the bird die? I have no idea. I told him to wash his hands and get the germs off - the stuff we know exists. I did not tell him it was a harbinger for doom where the end times are coming.

This is a complete list of every contemporaneous document to Jesus that mentions an itinerant rabbi roaming occupied Judea working miracles and teaching.

There were many messiahs! They came and went and this is something Christians brush over. The fact that they have attached a name to the term messiah is not in itself out the ordinary. To claim that this is THE messiah requires evidence. How is it all these other "messiahs" were not the true one? Forgotten to history as many of them are. Could it be that this messiah just happened to be the one the Roman Empire adopted?

When GOD needs a book and people to spread his message of love. Seems GOD could show up to everyone all at once to get that job done.

@janglandis773

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@paulk9188

Жыл бұрын

Then you would have no faith. Faith is the key to succeeding in all aspects of life.

@scamchan

Жыл бұрын

@@paulk9188 "Faith is the key to succeeding in all aspects of life." FALSE As Action is the key needed in succeeding in life. FAITH helps no one get anything done. Show me any example FAITH that solves a problem? When a GOD of action shows up There is no need or room for FAITH. Seems that FAITH becomes the crutch used to help you feel better about nothing special going on.

@paulk9188

Жыл бұрын

@@scamchan God brought me a beautiful successful woman because of my faith, I did nothing to seek her. God brought me a successful job because of my faith, I did nothing to seek it. You sound like an unhappy bitter person.

@janglandis773

Жыл бұрын

@@paulk9188 So believing things with no factual basis or proof is the key to succeed in all aspects of life? Please show a few real-life examples of how this actually works.

If Roy continued to question he'd be an atheist today. I'd pray for him if i thought it would help 😮🎉

akhenaten was the 1st monotheist in that area and he and his followers moved from cairo to amarna.