Nice reaction :) The B-17 had a crew of 10. The 'surrender or escape' part was if he surrendered to the Germans there was a good chance he would survive the war in a prisoner of war camp. If he tried to escape and was caught, there was a good chance he would be executed as a spy

@drxfairless7440

5 ай бұрын

It should be realized that the men with guns who came to see the downed airman were resistance fighters and would try and smuggle him back to England, probably dressed as a civilian, that's why he might be shot as a spy, From reactions I've seen, not everyone realises this aspect of the scene.

@altairtodescatto

5 ай бұрын

I dont know why she didn't pressed the left key two times and watch the scene again.

@davidareeves

5 ай бұрын

Probably good Movie to follow this would be Red Tails IMHO to show the other side of the coin with fighter escorts for these boyz

As a young woman, my mother suffered through the many bombing raids on Bremen. Although she always feared for her life in the air raid shelters, I never heard a bad word about the attacks later on. She always said "those poor guys up there".

Some historical factoids: The Schweinfurt-Regensburg raid was not, as claimed in this episode, the biggest air armada assembled at that time. More than a year earlier British Bomber Command launched Operation Millennium, and attack with more than thousand bombers on Cologne (Köln). As for the objective of the raid, the damage to the ball bearing plant was pretty minimal, and the Germans had significant stockpiles of them in reserve, plus easy access to more from Sweden. The whole raid was a bad plan from start to finish. On you seeing R2D2: George Lucas was heavily inspired by WW2 bombers when ILM designed the spaceships of Star Wars. For example the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon was inspired by the B-29 cockpit.

@waynec3563

5 ай бұрын

The RAF had sent 4 missions with between 700 and 800 heavy bombers between July 24/25 and August 2/3 1943. This was 2 weeks before the Schweinfurt Regensburg nission. Another influence for Star Wars was the 1955 film "The Dam Busters". This inspired the attack on the Death Star scene. There are some videos on KZread comparing them, and even using the sound from one on the video from the other. There is also the bombing scene from "The Last Jedi", which seems to be inspired by B-17 raids.

Stalag is a German Prison camp. IP means Initial Point. It’s when the formation begins their visual bombing run of their target. From that point the pilot turns the flight control over to the bombardier who flys the aircraft through the bombsight. The Belgian Resistance fighter was presenting Quinn with a very simple choice. If he chooses to escape back to England, he faces the possibility of getting captured and executed by the Germans as a spy. If he chooses to surrender, he might have a better chance of surviving by spending the rest of the war in a German Prison Camp.

Stalag is a German abbreviation of 'Stammlager', itself a short form of 'Kriegsgefangenen-Mannschaftsstammlager', a prisoner of war camp for enlisted (that is non-officer) captives. Officers, such as Buck and Bucky, would be kept at an 'Oflag', however - an 'Offizierslager'.

@BissFlix

5 ай бұрын

I see, thank you ❤️

@LeftyConspirator

5 ай бұрын

@@BissFlix Cu plăcere.

There were over 12,000 B-17's produced in WWII; which is an insane amount of bombers. I feel this pilot does an amazing job of showing how difficult the logistics of getting military aircraft from one place to the next was in this era of human flight.

It is the duty of every solder, airman, sailor, and marine who has the opportunity to escape to do so. It is a form of resistance that keeps the enemy using resources trying to capture you.

@nicholasmilne2908

5 ай бұрын

That's not actually true, although you hear it said in many WWII movies, it wasn't an obligation for any of the Allies forces. The American military only introduced it in August 1955. Then President Dwight D.Eisenhower issued executive order 10631 which implemented the Code of the United States Fighting Force, this code includes, for the first time, a requirement for U.S. prisoners of war to attempt to escape and to assist the escapes of others, covered by article III of the code.

Kurt's death really hit hard

the answer to the riddle. ask one of the guards what the other guard would say is the road to Valhalla if asking the guard that tells the truth he will point to the road of damnation since that is what the lying guard would answer. if you are asking the lying guard he would lie about the other guards answer and point to the road of damnation. either way you take the other road.

The answer to the riddle is "if I ask the other goblin which road should I take what will he tell me?" Then whatever the goblin you asked tells you - you take the opposite road.

From another video's comment section: "On August 17, 1943, [Curtis] Biddick's B-17 42-5860 "Escape Kit'" took part in a mission to Regensburg. The 100th Bomb Group was assigned to "coffin corner", so called for its vulnerable position at the rear of the formation. Approximately 40 miles north of Regensburg, Biddick’s plane suffered an oxygen fire caused by 20mm damage to the nose and fuselage, trapping those on the flight deck. Four of the crew were killed in action, including Lt Biddick." Biddick was 28. Another comment says: ,,I read that in the book Biddick's death was more gruesome. An intense fire was in the nose as his plane was going down. Another crew observed him trying to climb out his window while on fire. He never got out.''

@TheSocratesian

5 ай бұрын

I'm still wondering why they depicted him as a New Yorker when he was from Wisonsin and went to college in California.

@johannesvalterdivizzini1523

5 ай бұрын

Sounds like what happened to my uncle Tom's B24; he was on fire and managed nevertheless to fly level so six of crew parachuted safely. Tom was literally burning up before the plane blew up. No traces ever found.

@gergelykallai1351

5 ай бұрын

@@johannesvalterdivizzini1523 I had the luck to meet with a bombardier from the 460th Bomb Group. On 30th June, 1944, His squadron got lost in the clouds and did not receive the orders to turn back, since the target was covered by heavy clouds. On the Way back above lake Balaton, the Hungarian fighters were ready for them. They shot down 4 of the 5 Liberators that day. He and 4 others managed to bail out, the pilot tried to land the plane, but it stalled out and crashed. Theres a small memorial a few hundred meters of the crash site.

The bombs dropped from the plains before the crews bailed out had not yet had there arming pins pulled so while they would ruin the day of anyone they hit, they would not explode.

@micscwisby7798

5 ай бұрын

My grandparents who lived in a house in a northern suburb (with no military targets) of Hamburg once got a fire bomb falling through the roof of their entrance but not exploding. Another time a bomb landed in the back of their garden, completely wiping out the tool shed.

@coyotej4895

4 ай бұрын

I being adopted Native Alaskan have 4 sets of grandparents. With relatives on both sides. One flying B 17s out of England, One a commercial fisherman in Alaska using his boat to help move Men and Materials around Alaska. One helping the resistance in Yugoslavia and My Germen grandfather was an engineering officer abord the KM Bismarck. He lost his entire family to the war. Returning after the war to fiend that his older brother who commanded a U boat that disappeared about two months after he was taken prisoner. His parents and his brother's wife and two of the three kids died in the Family home outside of Hamburg in the bombing. The one remaining girl being sent to an orphanage that then sent her to work in a munitions plant where she died as well. How he remained so stoic about so much loss he went through is beyond me. Life then was so much harder than any one today realizes. @@micscwisby7798

"IP" stands for "initial point" where the visual bomb-run begins.

@BissFlix

5 ай бұрын

Oh I see, thanks ❤️

America’s top fighter ace of world war 2 (the guys who flew things like the P51 mustangs) is named “Dick Bong”. Incredible fucking name lol.

@andrewwaller5913

5 ай бұрын

Bong scored 40 victories and flew P-38 Lightnings in the Pacific against the Japanese.

@user-po3ev7is5w

5 ай бұрын

Bong flew the P-38 in the PTO

The downed pilot's options were a chance to get back to England with the partisans, or finding the nearest German soldier and turning himself in as a POW. The partisan was just explaining those options and the weight they carried. If he took the help of the partisans, he might be able to get home, but the price on a partisan's head was very high and the risk to not only them, but their families and friends if caught was grave. The American would just be killed along with them. But, if all went well, he'd get back to England and live to fly another day. If he turned himself in, he'd live out the rest of the war in relative safety in a prisoner of war camp. However, prisoners escaped all the time and he himself might wish to attempt it, and if he did and then got recaptured, he'd likely just be shot as a spy. The partisan didn't want the American so see his face because, if the choice was to turn himself in, he didn't want the American to know what his face looked like because the Germans would interrogate him before sending him to a camp and would probably ask him if he encountered any partisans prior to capture.

@przemekkozlowski7835

5 ай бұрын

By just talking to the airman, the partisan was risking multiple lives. If the airman was captured by the Germans and told them about the encounter, the Belgian farmer and his family would be arrested, tortured for information and then executed or send to a concentration camp. An entire Resistance network could be compromised this way. Plus the partisan would also be looking for signs that the airman was actually a German imposter sent in to infiltrate the Resistance evade-and-escape network.

@xxchaos315xx6

5 ай бұрын

American and British Pow's were actually treated very well by the Germans for the most part. As long as you weren't Jewish or someone else they saw as subhuman. Also as long as you followed the rules and didn't try to escape or anything like that.

@voiceofraisin3778

5 ай бұрын

@@xxchaos315xx6 The Germans actually didnt make any distinction in the POW camps. Regulations stated treatment for allied prisoners, they followed regulations. There might be more risk on the ground if you were captured by HJ or SS units but if you survived capture the you were quickly passed on to the Luftwaffe.

@kavzz918

5 ай бұрын

@@voiceofraisin3778 Oh BS. Tell that to the Soviet prisoners.

USAAF had 2 adversaries flying in Northern Europe- the Luftwaffe and and the weather.

See all the damage the B-17s are flying with? That is the kind of aircraft Boeing used to build.

@realisticthought1781

5 ай бұрын

Used to

@satinjazzdolls8615

5 ай бұрын

Back when they built things to last and took pride in that.

When they opened the bomb doors bay and dropped the bombs before bailing out : Bombs weren't armed so they won't explode when rhey hit the ground. When resistance fighters lead told the two possibilities to Quinn: if surrendered he would had ended in a Stalag (evoked by Bucky) as POW (prisoner of war)... Flanders, Belgium: They usually speak Dutch not French... Though I got Bucky wanted to continue on mission.. Otherwise all this slaughter, all these crews who sacrificed their life for nothing...

@TheSocratesian

5 ай бұрын

Not entirely for nothing. All of these raids had a cumulative impact on the Luftwaffe that destroyed its ability to be of much use by the time DDay came around.

Hi Biss, good reaction again. I have respect to this guys to do this raid, always knowing it will be bloody, because of the delay. Another untold fact is, that in Regensburg alone died 400 civilians, among them 90 young apprentices and a large number of sowjet prisonors of war (POW´s). precisition carpet bombing vs collateral damage

@BissFlix

5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, thanks for watching ❤️

16:00 Stalag is a name for the German prisoner of war camps. Once airmen bailed over enemy territory and got captured they were shipped to camps around Germany and Eastern Europe.

Stalag is german for POW camp.

@The_Dudester

5 ай бұрын

If infantry was caught, they were sent to a standard POW camp. If they were Air Corps, they went to a Stalag. Stalags had slightly better food, but that was the major difference.

@Ryan_Christopher

5 ай бұрын

@@The_DudesterAll German POW Camps were called Stalags. But Airmen were sent to a “Luft Stalag,” run by the air force Luftwaffe and not the army Wehrmacht.

The one thing i have a hard time with is identifying all the characters in flight since the oxygen masks combined with the flight helmets make everyone look alike. Yes, I can follow Buck easily enough (voice) and Crosby, as well as Curtis (very specific eyes) but the vast majority become interchangeable once they are masked. Along the same lines every other guy has dark hair and the pencil moustache. (Bucky is generally easy to spot, too)

@BissFlix

5 ай бұрын

Yeah I can see how that can make it difficult, thanks for watching ❤️

Nice as always Biss❤ There is a short interview with on of the producers on CNN where they talk a bit about the difficulties of character development. Its kind of interesting but contains 1 spoiler, a significant actually.

Thank you Biss really enjoying this series

Answer to the goblin question: You ask one of them (doesn't matter which) what the direction the other one would say was the right direction to Valhalla. The you'd go the opposite direction. If you ask the one that tells the truth, he'll give the liars answer, which would be wrong. So you go the other way. If you ask the one that only lies, he'll lie and tell you the opposite of what the truth teller would say, which would also be incorrect. So you go the other way.

10 men in a plane crew

There were times they had to make emergency landing on the belly of the plane no landing gear and the belly gunner was trapped. They had to land knowing he would be crushed and killed.

@user-po3ev7is5w

5 ай бұрын

there was one time like that. The ball gunner was one of the safest crew positions on a B-17

I am very much enjoying your reaction to this series. Thank you. 😊😊❤❤

Awesome review ‼️

IP is initial Point, the beginning of the bomb run when the formation is now flying straight and level onto the target. Stalag is a German prisoner of war camp.

@czirakiattila4398

5 ай бұрын

Right waist gunner checking in.

@baron7755

5 ай бұрын

IP is Intercept Point

@travis_thompson

5 ай бұрын

@@baron7755 no it not

The resistance fighter was telling the American pilot that he has two options. He could turn himself in to the occupying Germans. If he does that, he will become a prisoner of war for the rest of the war. He will be a prisoner but he will likely survive the war. Or he can attempt to escape back to England. The resistance fighter has contacts who may be able to help him escape. But if he gets caught trying to escape, he will be executed as a spy. He is asking what he wants to do. The resistance fighter is not hostile to him, but understands the reality of the situation well.

@09:14 I may be wrong but I don't think those jettisoned bombs are going to detonate. The pins to arm them had not been pulled yet so I don't think it is very easy for them to explode. They are just getting rid of the weight of the bombs so the plane can coast further without power, giving the crew more time to parachute out of the bomber. @16:02 a "stalag" is a German prison or prison camp. Not an English word but known here because of its prevalence in WWII films. @18:25 If he surrenders to the Germans he would "likely" be held as a prison of war (governed by the Geneva Convention) and "likely" survive the war as a prisoner. If he wanted to try and escape he would remain a combatant (possibly treated as a spy since he would remove his uniform) and likely be subject to execution as a spy if apprehended. Tough decision for sure.

Biss, as always fun and great reaction

@BissFlix

5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much ❤️

IP is Initial Point ... where they set up for the bomb run! You are doing good with the jargon! Stalag is the term for the German prisoner of war camp ... actual term is LuftStalag.

Almost half (46%) of all American bomber crews died, ~7% wounded, 9% prisoners of war.

Initial Point. The beginning of the bomb run where they can no longer take avoiding action. They are committed.

@BissFlix

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching ❤️

8:48 ABANDON SHEEEEEEEP 🤣🤣🤣

3:40 /// Which way will the other goblin show when I ask him the way to Valhalla. Both would point to hell, so you choose the opposite one.

Watched: "The Snow Society"

Just commenting to help out Al Gorithm, don't know the dude but always willing to help 😉Loved the reacion Biss.

@BissFlix

5 ай бұрын

Much appreciated, thank you ❤️

Well done again.

Woop woop!

You should watch the movie "Groundhog Day" since the holiday just passed (Feb 2). It's a light hearted comedy and you'll feel fine afte watching so much war. ;)

@BissFlix

5 ай бұрын

I did watch/react to it. It’s on my Patreon atm. Hopefully it will be on KZread someday soon ❤️

Let's GOOOOOO

And the answer to the riddle (we've named the Goblins Alex and Bod): We ask One goblin (Alex) what they other goblin(bob) would say. And then take the opposite path to the answer. Because: We ask Alex what Bob would say. There are two possibilities: Alex is the liar. Which means Bob would have told you the truth, Alex knowing this, lies about it and tells you the wrong way. Bob is the liar. Which means Bob would have lied to you. And Alex who tells the truth knowing this, tells you honestly what liar Bobs answer would be... the wrong way. The liar always lies, the truth teller always says truthfully what the liars lie would be. So with this question you get them to match up.

what happened to episode 1 and 2 ?

IP = initial point, the start of the bomb run. From that point, until the bombs drop, the planes cannot take evasive action and must fly straight and level.

There was nothing to explode im that plane anymore.. no fuel, no bombs, no ammo..

18:28 I think it's a test by resistance movement. If he picks surrender, they think he is german. If he picks escape, they believe him.

@TheSocratesian

5 ай бұрын

NOT a test. They simply told him the reality of his situation.

After watching this on Friday, I was worried for how you’d react to this, know how rough this was.

@BissFlix

5 ай бұрын

Got to power through ❤️

Nice reaction as usual Miss Bisscute. Please react to the movie called Menphis Belle (1990) about airplanes in world war II.

If you don’t mind me asking, where are you from? Your English is great, but that’s definitely not an English accent. I’d guess Italian, but I don’t know jack sh*t about foreign languages😂 Although, I find it very interesting to see how non-Americans react to American war films. Keep it up👍🏻

Those crews/airmen had to complete 25 missions. I can't remember the number but I think low 20's percent made it

@alanholck7995

5 ай бұрын

25 until Doolittle took over from Eaker; then 35 missions. The extra 10 were called the Doolittle missions. He was not popular among the aircrew.

The first task force had to take-off when they did because they had to get to Africa before it was dark.

@BissFlix

5 ай бұрын

Oh really? ❤️

@TheSocratesian

5 ай бұрын

That's the first reasonable explanation of LeMay's decision. He was always a hyper aggressive commander both here and the Pacific. It still seemed pretty dumb wrecking a complicated plan that hinged on timing and coordination.

A few years ago I picked up a Congressional Gold Medal for my late father's service with the 8th Air Force bombers during this time. There were a lot of speeches about bravery and sacrifice during the ceremony. I just remembered my father saying he was drafted and that was it. Fighting the Germans was just his job and he felt the Germans were just doing their jobs as well. Nobody really had a choice about fighting in the war.

@johannesvalterdivizzini1523

5 ай бұрын

Since he was drafted, he had to then opt to be in the AAF. They wanted all volunteers, like my father, who served for 8 years during WWII and then Korea.

@place_there9104

5 ай бұрын

@@johannesvalterdivizzini1523 No idea about volunteering. He got drafted in 1942, almost as soon as the war started, and barely spoke English at the time. The 100th was just starting their first combat missions when he went through his flight and gunnery training

Возлюбивший войну. Есть такая книга. Там хорошо описана жизнь лётчиков таких самолётов. Комментировать военные фильмы тяжело. Там много смертей. Восхищён мужеством Biss и аплодирую ей!❤

Stalag = German prisoner of war camp

Oh yes, please read at least wiki about Stalag. One of more forgotten dark spots in human inhuman history.

Wrinkles Madalina, wrinkles!

The guy who played Curt is the only actor I remember seeing in something else. The crash looked bad, so I doubt he gets back to England.

@Ryan_Christopher

5 ай бұрын

He was in HBO’s Chernobyl and Marvel’s Eternals.

@Jbryan23

5 ай бұрын

And in real life per the testimony and book by Harry Crosby called "A Wing and a Prayer " Crosby stated that the real LT that Barry was playing here, tried to get out of the b-17 through the window before it crashed but he was unable to and was killed when it crashed. Crosby says he tried to actually get out, unlike it was portrayed here in this scene, and that they could see him trying to get out the window right before it crashed. Heartbreaking for sure. He stayed with it until most of the crew got out but stayed with the plane a little too long per Crosby.

@eddhardy1054

5 ай бұрын

& I think he was in Dunkirk too?

Stalag = German prisoner of war camp.

Total USA airmen lost in combat during WW2 over Germany or Europe, was 38,418 and 14,533 in the Pacific region taking out the rest of the Japanese Navy, reclaiming Islands and bombing mainland Japan. These are only those in aircraft and nothing more. Bombers had a crew of 10. About 25% of these aircraft were destroyed before they could return home.

Thanks for reaction ,can you react to 2000 movie the family man

@BissFlix

5 ай бұрын

My pleasure, hopefully in the future ❤️

This was a make or break bunch of BS. This episode was meant to show what was sacrificed by the Army Air Corps pilots and crews. The Marines in the Pacific in 3 years lost 23,500 soldiers. In this Air Campagne lost 25,000 in 9 MONTHS!!! The majority of the public never knew or realized this. Your life expectancy was 6 weeks 7 out of 10 airmen didn't make it. Kurt had a decent chance unfortunately the clipping of the trees slowed their glide and forced the nose down that's what killed them. Those who bailed out were not much better off. The statistics were 90 % were, never found.

4:30 "to be young? Arent you the same age as these guys?

@EduYT07

4 ай бұрын

I doubt so, at least not the same age as the gunners. The crew of a B-17 was 19 years old on average (while the pilots were around 24 years, just a couple of years younger than Bisscute). It's crazy to think that basically kids were the ones carrying the most dangerous missions and tasks in the war.

They explained how many people are on these bombers already, these guys fought for what they believed was wrong😂😂😂thats no why the fought, thats not why anyone ever has fought...

Watched: "The Snow Society"

Watched: "The Snow Society"