What gave Bob away was the way he wrote the date, how he sang "The Star-Spangled Banner," and his Wehrmacht-issued IMCO lighter.

@pablozee6359

5 ай бұрын

Yep. They already had him identified as a German spy, but they specifically asked “Bob” for a light. An American would have had a Zippo lighter. The IMCO lighter was the final verification and sealed his fate.

@kavzz918

5 ай бұрын

What the hell. I googled the lighter and you're right. Why would he still have that while trying to infiltrate? So silly.

@HollowPoint_762

5 ай бұрын

Another thing I noticed looking back was that "Bob" didn't really look like he had just bailed from a tough fight. The other two were beat up and looked a little rough compared to him.

@qburns2035

5 ай бұрын

Also the way he wrote the date AND the way his numbers. Americans write the date (usually) month, day and year. Europeans write day, month and year. So it was the combination of things that gave him away

@ParlonsAstronomie

5 ай бұрын

I noticed none of them (how is his singing wrong ?), but now I understand bette why tey ask them to write everything down (while every psysical evidence was a risk).

Glenn Dye's co-pilot, John "Lucky" Luckadoo, who is fortunately still with us at age 101 has a few less than flattering things to say about Dye and the some of the other members of his crew. Prior to leaving for England the 100th's co-pilots had accrued more flying time than many first pilots so they were transferred to other groups and a new batch of co-pilots was brought in including Lucky who was assigned to Dye's crew. Because of the attachment they had with their old co-pilot, the navigator and bombardier made Lucky's life hell and Dye didn't do anything to stop them. During a training flight Dye landed their B-17 in a muddy grass field in Ohio to visit his wife and baby. The B-17 got stuck in the mud and they tried to tow it out with tractors, trucks and wreckers in order to pull it onto wooden planks. On full power the B-17 was finally able to get off the boards and they barely cleared the trees at the end of the field when they took off. In Newfoundland on their way to England Dye hooked up with a British woman in the WAAF "Women's Auxiliary Air Force" and got the clap as a result. While the rest of the 100th went on to England Lucky and the rest of Dye's crew had to wait two weeks while Dye received sulfa treatment. When he was finally released from the hospital he was so weak he had to be carried into the cockpit leaving Lucky to fly the plane and the crew to England by himself. Before they left Lucky had it out with his navigator and warned if he warned if he didn't navigate them to landfall on the nose he'd kick his ass out of the plane without a parachute. They got to England no problem. Lucky felt Dye should've been court-martialed for the landing stunt in Ohio and his relationship with the navigator and bombardier was strained to say the least.

Michou or lily shown in this episode was actually in her early 20's, real name Micheline Aline Dumon and only died in 2017. Or is a reference to the real life Michou She was one of the more famous guides on the Comet line as that particular escape route was called. She helped over 250 airmen personally escape into spain

The were a few give aways of the infiltrator. Firstly how he wrote the date rest of the world way not american way. Now military did sometimes write it that way as well but he also wrote his 1's and 9's the german way. Secondly the anthem he messed up some of the lyrics , he also sang all of it which not everyone would know like quinn they ended up humming, thirdly the way he sang it was like the german way he had been taught loud and proud. We didnt get some of his answers to other questions but its possible he answered the london one as it was part of their infiltration research to learn about large places And the final confirmation for the resistance was the guys lighter. It was an austrian made lighter/brand when nigh on every american would have had a zippo

@cliveklg7739

5 ай бұрын

This. Great complete account of the ways they figured it out.

"People used to fall in love so fast." LOL. I met my wife at a party while I was in the army. We got married three WEEKS later. That was 32 years and two children ago. We're still together. I'm looking at her right now, but hell, when am I not looking at her?

Just remember there's no plot armour with real stories tho tbh... If it's a real story there's no plot is just a recounting of events as they happened

@bassmarine5650

5 ай бұрын

On the other hand... There are shots of Buck in the intro's and trailers that have not happened yet. Hand to hand combat in a snowy forest, and him bloody and cold walking in a crowd of people. And Crosby made it too. Even though he was mentioned as not returning in this episode, when his buddy Bubbles asked about him. In the episode 5 blurp on appletv they mention that he is getting promoted. So he somehow finds his way back in episode 5 as well.

@baron7755

5 ай бұрын

well...to an extent

Remember lemmons was late teens early 20's and a crew chief responsible for multiple planes. Quite a few of the planes he worked on became famous. He was also already married by that time

Wrote this in other reactors and have been adding to it along the way but there were a lot of subtle clues that the person was not an American. 1) When they zoomed in him writing the date he put down day/month/year which is normal to everybody except Americans who put down month/day/year. 2)Hard to describe this one, but most Americans write their 9's with a circle and straight line where many Germans will have the circle but will curve the straight line. A German 9 will look almost like a lowercase g. Hard to describe but very noticeable if you see it in person. A German 1 is also a little different like you would see in the close up. Americans will usually just have a straight line for 1 or some Americans will have a small angled part coming from the top left part of the number 1 but a German will usually make the small angled part a lot bigger or add a slight curve to it. Almost to the point it almost looks like an upside down letter v. 3) It was common to get them to sing the national anthem since most Americans can't sing the whole thing without messing up or start humming the rest whereas a lot of German spies learned the whole thing and this guy was singing it loudly almost trying to prove he knew it. When he sang the whole thing it would look weird since most Americans can't. Also, the Star Spangled Banner has word usages that are not how normal people speak but more of a poetic form. When the German spy was singing, he says "Just how proudly we hail" when the actual lyrics are "What so proudly we hailed". We might be able to sing the whole thing but when you say the lyrics wrong we'd notice something was wrong. 4) Another common question was to ask a baseball question like who won the pennant last year or who played for who. 5) Asking questions about locations was common as well. The Germans knew they flew in from England but not exactly where in England so they would study major key locations to prepare to spy in case they were questioned they could answer. Like one of the guys pointed out, he never had a chance to see London because you would have to have a 2 day pass to get there and back but he never had a chance which was common. The spy likely didn't know that so answered the Horatio Nelson for what is the statue in Trafalgar Square. Likely even described what London was like from what he had researched. 6) The lighter is an Austrian Imco lighter where most Americans would have a Zippo lighter. It was never a situation where you messed up once and they thought you were a spy, it was a combination of mistakes that would convince them

I feel it was the singing that gave him away. The other two are scared shiteless and muttering the anthem while the German was belting it out like he was at a concert. What if there was a German officer in the bar that overheard it? You'd have given away it all.

I am really glad that they showed of the europeans experienced the war. I am a really glad that they gave the place the european resistance deserve from both its men and women. And I am glad they choose people that can actually speak french for french character. They really put an effort there, I appreciate that.

A Trough is usually a long, narrow box made of wood, metal or stone that contains water for animals to drink from. They are found on farms, sometimes next to water wells, or sometimes placed where they can catch rain water that runs off of roofs.

Names, military specialties (jobs), missions, could all be verified by the resistance. Although, as a former soldier myself, if the resistance asked me for my mission I would not have told them. Singing the national anthem may give away an accent even if the words are correct. Baseball questions were standard as the sport was not even followed in Europe. Dates? We in the US tend to write our dates in a different format than Europeans do. We do month, day, year so it would look like : February 11, 2024 ; or 02/11/24 if you use just numbers. Deviations, especially slight deviations in several of these areas would help filter German infiltrators. Especially black hearted Romanian girls who speak English and live in Germany :D

@waynehatchell6343

5 ай бұрын

As a former soldier, you should know the US military writes their date day, month, year. It's the US civilians who write their date month, day, year. I know because I served in the US Navy.

@acady5164

5 ай бұрын

@@waynehatchell6343 As a former soldier I can tell you not everyone spends much time in the military writing dates, especially when you perform a combat function. Next, the only time, even as a Sergeant E-5 , that I wrote a date was on military paperwork and the only reason I would write it any other way than as a US civilian is because it was a standardized form which required it, not because I purposely was militarily indoctrinated to do so. Unless you push paper as your speciality you aren't going to be changing the way you date things. Those habits are hard to break. In fact, most of the time you will be writing dates tend to be when writing letters home, in which you would use the same method as you would as a civilian. Resistance organizations are going to be looking for specific habits that will uniquely identify people and when you write your dates one way for atleast 17 - 18 years of life when asked to write down the date you are likely to follow that habit. Finally, as I said ( Deviations, especially slight deviations in several of these areas) , these test were designed to gauge a body of responses to find deviations. Not focused on one specific because intel orgs such as the German Intelligence services could train people for a single specific task. These tests were not foolproof, but it's what they had. Sometimes Allied Intel screwed things up and got a lot of the resistance killed, especially radio operators.

@gravitypronepart2201

5 ай бұрын

​@@waynehatchell6343Month , day year. USN retired. It's always been, at least during my time, and I wrote in many logs, filled out many forms.

@HikingPNW

5 ай бұрын

@@waynehatchell6343 I do wonder when the US military switched to day/month/year instead of the typical American month/day/year. Obviously it is the standard now but I wonder if it only became that way during and after WW2 especially after joining NATO. With so many militaries and time zones involved, the US military might of agreed to switch to day/month/year to cause less confusion.

“That was the most American ‘Bonjour’ in the history of ‘Bonjour’s” 😂😂😂 Yeah we can make anything sound cool 😎

At 4:56 you are introduced to Charles Robertson. I just found out that his grandson is playing a Navigator role on the show. It just makes an appearance and doesn't have any lines to say but they wanted him in the movie because he is a grandson of one of Charles. One of the 100th bomb group Commanders. Pretty cool

Of every 100 airmen who joined the british Bomber Command, 45 were killed, 6 were seriously wounded, 8 became Prisoners of War, and only 41 escaped unscathed (at least physically). Of the 120,000 who served, 55,573 were killed including over 10,000 Canadians. For the americans it was similar if not worse. Close to 7 out of 10 shot down

What gave Bob away was the way he wrote the date. Remember the camera focused on that, He wrote the day before the month. In the United States the month is writen before the day.

First U.S. Bomber to make it to 25 Missions in the ETO, European Theater of Operations, was a B-24 Liberator Bomber named Hot Stuff, but they where lost on the return trip to the U.S.A. Coming back to do a war bond drive. Next up was a B-17 named Hell's Angels, but, it was not a very friendly name for a bond tour, so the B-17 Fortress Memphis Belle was chosen and it also became the focus of the documentary by William Wyler, The Memphis Belle.

Meatball is my favorite character.

Lemmons talks about planes coming back in his book. They didnt know who was dead or alive out of those that didnt make it back. Also the was hope they landed at other fields or crash landed in UK and stuff.

A trough is what horses drink out of. Loo

That was one heck of an episode, another great reaction Biss.

Around 8k US airmen become prisoners of war, so I wouldn't worry about all of them not returning. They survived war but as prisoners in good conditions. Germans had very bad espionage, small details gave them away, because those spies in most cases never been abroad or only for short time to learn certain habits helpful in their tasks. There was case that German spies came to London and were waiting for train on station that was closed and everyone knew that but these guys. Also similar but reversed situation with small detail was in Tarantino movie "Inglorious bastards" where guy played by Michael Fassbender ordered 3 drinks in English way, pretending to be German officer.

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Bob wrote the current date on his paper as a European (day, month, year). Americans write it (month, day, year).

The odds of survival for bomber crews was so low after 11 missions and every mission thereafter you were actually beating the odds of survival. Also the 25 was soon increased to 30 and then 35 missions. As they didnt want to lose most experienced people too soon.

@MichalBreslau

5 ай бұрын

"Catch 22" (book, movie and tv series) is all about it. I never took this story 100% serious, when I've been reading book, until now. They had 100% right to became insane or having crazy dark humor. Being in those flying coffins was Russian roulette.

@jameswg13

5 ай бұрын

@@MichalBreslau catch 22 is a fictional book but yes based in reality. I even posted a comment of the stats for every 100 people that joined RAF bomber command

@jimandaud

5 ай бұрын

My Dad was shot down on his 10th while over Austria (15th AF). Didn't beat the odds. And he wrote that mission max eventually upped to 50, but by spring of '45 the Luftwaffe had been decimated and escorts were flying longer and longer with the bombers.

The engine fix by lemmons on the move did actually happen but another mission and another plane

I love that music you played at the end. What is that? Beutiful piece of music.

When I first watched this I noticed right away “he sang that weird”. Like he said “that’s so probably we hail” instead of “WHAT so probably we hail” etc. Subtle enough to not notice but if you’re looking for it like they were it’s noticeable.

@jakubfabisiak9810

5 ай бұрын

"probably wh hail"? We got us a German spy here...

Well, technically, Buck really IS dead. 'Course, he died in 2006, but that's a minor detail.

When they shot the German infiltrator, I really did not like the angle. The American airmen were close to the path of the bullet. This was one thing that occasionally bothered me in Band of Brothers; the soldiers were to casual about where their weapons were pointed.

@ParlonsAstronomie

5 ай бұрын

yeah and both of them should be covered in blood.

@jakubfabisiak9810

5 ай бұрын

historically accurate, though. Things like the 4 basic rules of gun safety weren't a thing back then. If you watch L.A. Confidential, you'll see White, Exley, and Vincennes with their fingers on the trigger all the time - that's how it was done back then.

All in this episode refers we haven't seen all of Buck yet, main character wouldn't die randomly offscreen. I believe we will see in next episode what happened to them.

@LuisSoto-ho5fw

5 ай бұрын

SPOILER: He spent the rest of the war in a Stalag (prisoner camp) - at least from what I remember of stuff I've read/watched.

Showing how the death of pilots was exeprienced by those on the ground was really powerfull. Bringing back buck would destroy that.

First rule of the movies: if you didn't see them die, they (probably) didn't die.

The date format would be inaccurate because the US Military used the same format as was used in Europe.

The way he wrote the date, Europe DD/MO/YR, US MO/DD/YR. Something are ingrained through use. Fork use, starting counting with thumb seperate US from Europe.

I think living in a time where you could die any moment, makes taking the chance on love easier.

Funnily enough, when you said imagine not knowing your own national anthem. It’s actually a bit of a red flag if you do know all the words…. most Americans don’t. We all know the tune but will almost certainly screw some portion of the words up or just straight up not know an entire verse. Also there were a few other things that gave Bob away. The way he wrote the number one with a little flag at the top ( Americans usually write it as just a straight line) there was some other things I’m sure other people will elaborate as well but the final kicker was pulling out a German imco lighter to light the guy’s cigarette Americans would have almost exclusively had zippos.

@nealmccoy5727

5 ай бұрын

That's why I laughed out loud because I can think of several instances where I forgot the lyrics of the anthem.

@przemekkozlowski7835

5 ай бұрын

From what I understand, Bob did get part of the anthem wrong but he used a wrong phrasing that an American would not use. I think the writers deliberately left it vague which mistakes really gave him away. This is a fictional event so there really is no correct answer.

@nicholasmilne2908

5 ай бұрын

​@@przemekkozlowski7835Are you sure it's a fictional event? As far as I know Sgt. William Quinn parachuted landed in Belgium and managed to evade capture and return to England a few months later, thanks to the aid of the Belgian and French undergrounds. I don't know about whether or not they uncovered a Nazi infiltrator along the way but the basic storyline is true. The story of his escape is mentioned in the book the series is based on.

@rosshein356

5 ай бұрын

@@nicholasmilne2908 Bob is a fictional composite character, to show the audience the German attempts to infiltrate the resistance escape routes. Quinn’s escape and evasion is true.

@m4_sherman

5 ай бұрын

@@nicholasmilne2908I think that whether it’s true or not, it rightfully shows how the sneaky the Germans could be when infiltrating resistance movements, which was a major problem for the resistance themselves.

Hi from Ireland

😊😢😊 Sad episode. Great reaction.

The problem with "plot armor" is that these were real people so if they died in real life on a mission then they'll likely die at some point in the show as Curt did.

How he wrote the date gave him away

@NeilPower

5 ай бұрын

Americans: Month, Day, Year Germans: Day, Month, Year.

@rosshein356

5 ай бұрын

It wasn’t how he wrote the date, the military writes it in the European fashion. It was the shapes he gave the numbers.

6:20 dont know why but I loved that Helen was into him

Biss, was it not your experience with the pilots you worked with that one of the first phrases out of their mouths was "Im a pilot"

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Plot armor is proportional to how good looking you are.

Is it actually intentional that the Russians, who also invaded Poland and were allied with the Nazis at the beginning of the war, are never mentioned in such series? Greetings from Poland Edit: My grandparents were killed by Russians, not by the Nazis.

Spoiler alert-- both main characters survived the war.